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Israel’s “Prince for Ever” — “One King,” “One Shepherd,” “The Son of David”: That is, Jesus Christ -


As the time draws on for the return of the Lord, there is renewed interest in the prophecy of Ezekiel which speaks of his mission as the “Son of Man” anointed with the Holy Spirit and power to resurrect and reorganise “the whole house of Israel.” He is “the Prince” of Ezekiel’s prophecies, who takes the throne of David vacated by the “profane and wicked prince of Israel,” King Zedekiah (Ezek. 21:25–27). Some Christians have a difficulty in receiving some of the things that are testified concerning “the prince,” on the understanding that Jesus Christ is he. So they imagine another prince, with consequences disastrous to the divine purpose, could the imagination only be translated into fact.

But that cannot be, and we devote a very few words here to establishing for the hundredth time the fact that “the Prince” of Israel in the age to come is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. The words of the angel Gabriel to Daniel really settle the matter in a single phrase: “THE MESSIAH, THE PRINCE” (Dan. 9:25). And the word of God by Ezekiel is scarcely less definite: “Thus saith the Lord God; . . . I will make (the children of Israel) one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and ONE KING shall be King to them all . . . David (the Beloved) my servant (“the Son of David—Luke 1:32, 33) shall be King over them; and they shall all have ONE SHEPHERD; and my servant David shall be their PRINCE FOR EVER” (Ezek. 37:21, 22, 24, 25). “The Prince,” then, is “the Messiah,” “the King,” “the Son of David,” “the Good Shepherd,” and “the Resurrection and the Life” who lives “for ever.” The Lord Jesus Christ says he is all these. There is not only not the least reason for reading another person into the title “the prince” in the Temple vision; there is not the least possibility of so doing in harmony with the other scriptures. It would not be difficult to make out a charge of constructive treason against any who should maintain that “the Prince” in the Father’s House of Prayer for all nations is some hitherto unknown man, and not Jesus Christ.

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Purity said:
Israel’s “Prince for Ever” — “One King,” “One Shepherd,” “The Son of David”: That is, Jesus Christ -


As the time draws on for the return of the Lord, there is renewed interest in the prophecy of Ezekiel which speaks of his mission as the “Son of Man” anointed with the Holy Spirit and power to resurrect and reorganise “the whole house of Israel.” He is “the Prince” of Ezekiel’s prophecies, who takes the throne of David vacated by the “profane and wicked prince of Israel,” King Zedekiah (Ezek. 21:25–27). Some Christians have a difficulty in receiving some of the things that are testified concerning “the prince,” on the understanding that Jesus Christ is he. So they imagine another prince, with consequences disastrous to the divine purpose, could the imagination only be translated into fact.

But that cannot be, and we devote a very few words here to establishing for the hundredth time the fact that “the Prince” of Israel in the age to come is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. The words of the angel Gabriel to Daniel really settle the matter in a single phrase: “THE MESSIAH, THE PRINCE” (Dan. 9:25). And the word of God by Ezekiel is scarcely less definite: “Thus saith the Lord God; . . . I will make (the children of Israel) one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and ONE KING shall be King to them all . . . David (the Beloved) my servant (“the Son of David—Luke 1:32, 33) shall be King over them; and they shall all have ONE SHEPHERD; and my servant David shall be their PRINCE FOR EVER” (Ezek. 37:21, 22, 24, 25). “The Prince,” then, is “the Messiah,” “the King,” “the Son of David,” “the Good Shepherd,” and “the Resurrection and the Life” who lives “for ever.” The Lord Jesus Christ says he is all these. There is not only not the least reason for reading another person into the title “the prince” in the Temple vision; there is not the least possibility of so doing in harmony with the other scriptures. It would not be difficult to make out a charge of constructive treason against any who should maintain that “the Prince” in the Father’s House of Prayer for all nations is some hitherto unknown man, and not Jesus Christ.

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You're right for the most part; however, don't count David out! He will be there, too! When Yeshua` rules over this earth as King of kings, wouldn't it make sense for Him to put His best men in charge of His kingdom? Who better than one who has been king before? Who better than one who has been Isra'el's hero down through the years? Who better than the one "after God's own heart?" Remember, Ezekiel's prophecy will be fulfilled AFTER the resurrection!
 

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You're right for the most part; however, don't count David out! He will be there, too! When Yeshua` rules over this earth as King of kings, wouldn't it make sense for Him to put His best men in charge of His kingdom? Who better than one who has been king before? Who better than one who has been Isra'el's hero down through the years? Who better than the one "after God's own heart?" Remember, Ezekiel's prophecy will be fulfilled AFTER the resurrection!
Hi Retro

Thanks for your post. David's role in the Kingdom age is not one I have considered to be frank - we know Matt 19:28 will be enforced over natural Israel and doubtless David will be utilised by Christ in his armies as he subdues the nations (grinding process) - he will be a formidable captain one would think.

But the court will convene, and his ruling authority will be removed destroyed and abolished forever!
Then the kingdom, authority, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven
will be delivered to the people of the holy ones of the Most High (saints). His kingdom is an eternal kingdom;
all authorities will serve him and obey him. Dan 7:25,26

Yes - after the resurrection.
 

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Israel’s “Prince for Ever” — “One King,” “One Shepherd,” “The Son of David”: That is, Jesus Christ -


As the time draws on for the return of the Lord, there is renewed interest in the prophecy of Ezekiel which speaks of his mission as the “Son of Man” anointed with the Holy Spirit and power to resurrect and reorganise “the whole house of Israel.” He is “the Prince” of Ezekiel’s prophecies, who takes the throne of David vacated by the “profane and wicked prince of Israel,” King Zedekiah (Ezek. 21:25–27). Some Christians have a difficulty in receiving some of the things that are testified concerning “the prince,” on the understanding that Jesus Christ is he. So they imagine another prince, with consequences disastrous to the divine purpose, could the imagination only be translated into fact.

But that cannot be, and we devote a very few words here to establishing for the hundredth time the fact that “the Prince” of Israel in the age to come is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. The words of the angel Gabriel to Daniel really settle the matter in a single phrase: “THE MESSIAH, THE PRINCE” (Dan. 9:25). And the word of God by Ezekiel is scarcely less definite: “Thus saith the Lord God; . . . I will make (the children of Israel) one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and ONE KING shall be King to them all . . . David (the Beloved) my servant (“the Son of David—Luke 1:32, 33) shall be King over them; and they shall all have ONE SHEPHERD; and my servant David shall be their PRINCE FOR EVER” (Ezek. 37:21, 22, 24, 25). “The Prince,” then, is “the Messiah,” “the King,” “the Son of David,” “the Good Shepherd,” and “the Resurrection and the Life” who lives “for ever.” The Lord Jesus Christ says he is all these. There is not only not the least reason for reading another person into the title “the prince” in the Temple vision; there is not the least possibility of so doing in harmony with the other scriptures. It would not be difficult to make out a charge of constructive treason against any who should maintain that “the Prince” in the Father’s House of Prayer for all nations is some hitherto unknown man, and not Jesus Christ.

Purity

All true.
And He is all these things NOW:

Israel’s “Prince for Ever” — “One King,” “One Shepherd,” “The Son of David”: That is, Jesus Christ

Denying this is bizarre. Would we be in some Postponement Theology Limbo state.
If Jesus is not all those things - for Israel, no gentile is saved either.

Retrobyter said:
Shalom, Purity.


You're right for the most part; however, don't count David out! He will be there, too! When Yeshua` rules over this earth as King of kings, wouldn't it make sense for Him to put His best men in charge of His kingdom? Who better than one who has been king before? Who better than one who has been Isra'el's hero down through the years? Who better than the one "after God's own heart?" Remember, Ezekiel's prophecy will be fulfilled AFTER the resurrection!
Retro;
nowhere is David said to be resurrected, then to be a special king in an earthly kingdom...or any kingdom.
Please! Read Acts again where Peter explains what Davids throne is and that Jesus is on it!

David is a king and priest only in the same way John said he himself was:

Revelation 1
John Greets the Seven Churches
5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood-- 6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father-- to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Love in Christ
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All true.
And He is all these things NOW:

Israel’s “Prince for Ever” — “One King,” “One Shepherd,” “The Son of David”: That is, Jesus Christ

Denying this is bizarre. Would we be in some Postponement Theology Limbo state.
If Jesus is not all those things - for Israel, no gentile is saved either.

Poppin
Yes the millennium age when Jesus sits upon David's throne will be a glorious Kingdom Age - not perfect but glorious.
 

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Purity said:
Hi Retro

Thanks for your post. David's role in the Kingdom age is not one I have considered, to be frank - we know Matt 19:28 will be enforced over natural Israel and doubtless David will be utilised by Christ in his armies as he subdues the nations (grinding process) - he will be a formidable captain one would think.

But the court will convene, and his ruling authority will be removed destroyed and abolished forever!
Then the kingdom, authority, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven
will be delivered to the people of the holy ones of the Most High (saints). His kingdom is an eternal kingdom;
all authorities will serve him and obey him. Dan 7:25,26

Yes - after the resurrection.
I'm having some trouble understanding your point, "the court will convene, and his ruling authority will be removed destroyed and abolished forever!" Are you talking about "David" or "Christ?" Whichever, it doesn't matter, because you're still missing something in your scenario: Since when are EITHER said to be "removed, destroyed, and abolished forever?!" That's not in MY Bible! Just the OPPOSITE is found!

And, since when will either David's or the Messiah's "kingdom, authority, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven ... be delivered to the PEOPLE of the holy ones of the most High?!" I think you've either left something out, or you've screwed up your interpretation of Daniel 7:25-26.

Consider CAREFULLY what Paul said in 1 Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 15:20-28
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he (Christ) hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he (Christ) has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he (Christ) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
NIV

I think it would be better for you to sort out God's priorities before jumping to conclusions from a single passage in Daniel.

Also, I think you're thinking that this all happens in a single 24-hour day! It does NOT! According to Yochanan in Revelation 20:1-7, it happens over the course of a thousand-year period. It doesn't happen ... <POOF!> ... magically all at once! He reigns UNTIL He has put ALL of His enemies under His feet. THIS TAKES TIME TO ACCOMPLISH! And, it's not until the END of this thousand-year period that He FINALLY destroys death itself, thus making it possible for no one thereafter to die! THIS brings on the beautiful environment of the New Earth:

Revelation 20:4-21:4
20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth — Gog and Magog — to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
NIV


Remember: Chapter and verse divisions were NOT in the original texts, nor are they inspired by God. They are the additions of human beings for the sake of organization and indexing.
 

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Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Purity.


when he (Christ) hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he (Christ) has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

You understand this is speaking to the end of the millennium age?

Dan 7:25,26 is speaking to the establishment of Christs Kingdom

"And they shall take away his dominion"

Who is the they?
Who is the his?


Dan 7:26,27 But the court will convene, and his ruling authority will be removed —
destroyed and abolished forever!

The NET changes "unto the end" to forever - either way there is a period of time in removing the authority - destroying and abolishing will take time. See Dan 2:44NET

Then the kingdom, authority, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be delivered to the people of the holy ones of the Most High. His kingdom is an eternal kingdom; all authorities will serve him and obey him.’

So what you wrote here


Also, I think you're thinking that this all happens in a single 24-hour day! It does NOT! According to Yochanan in Revelation 20:1-7, it happens over the course of a thousand-year period. It doesn't happen ... <POOF!> ... magically all at once! He reigns UNTIL He has put ALL of His enemies under His feet. THIS TAKES TIME TO ACCOMPLISH! And, it's not until the END of this thousand-year period that He FINALLY destroys death itself, thus making it possible for no one thereafter to die! THIS brings on the beautiful environment of the New Earth:
Is correct.

The grinding of the nations will certainly take many campaigns which Rev 10 - The march of the rainbowed angel (though it is standing triumphantly) it will march and subdue the people of the earth.

It appears we agree.

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Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Same thought as Dan 2. The four great Empires of history.

Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

At the time of Christ's return.

Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

Rome.

Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Ten resurrections. Three before the little horn comes on the scene...

Vandals, Heruli and Ostrogoths.

Seven under the "little horn"...

Justinian, Charlemagne, Otto the Great, Charles V, Napolean, Hiler/Mussolini and the one yet to come...

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The three were not of the Holy Roman Empire. Seven are.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Seems straightforward enough to me.
 

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Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Same thought as Dan 2. The four great Empires of history.

Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

At the time of Christ's return.

Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

Rome.

Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Ten resurrections. Three before the little horn comes on the scene...

Vandals, Heruli and Ostrogoths.

Seven under the "little horn"...

Justinian, Charlemagne, Otto the Great, Charles V, Napolean, Hiler/Mussolini and the one yet to come...

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The three were not of the Holy Roman Empire. Seven are.
Rev 17:10

"And there are seven kings"

See Rev. 12:3

"Five are fallen"

Five forms of government by which Rome was ruled had passed away at the time the revelation was given to John.

"And one is"

In the days of John, Rome was governed by an imperial form of rule.

"And the other is not yet come"

The imperial form of government was supplanted by Gothic rule.

"And when he cometh, he must continue a short space"

The Imperial form of government was followed by the Gothic which continued for a short period of time. Again see Rev. 13:1-3.

Straight forward.

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David's ressurrection is implicit in a number of places in Scripture.
Jer.30:9; Hos.3:5; Amos9:11; Isa.9:7; 22:22; Psm.89; 132, to name a few.
It is highly likely that he will be in the Millennial Reign of Christ/God.
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David's ressurrection is implicit in a number of places in Scripture.
Jer.30:9; Hos.3:5; Amos9:11; Isa.9:7; 22:22; Psm.89; 132, to name a few.
It is highly likely that he will be in the Millennial Reign of Christ/God.
Floyd.
It is a little more than likely...

Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Eze 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
 

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Shalom, Poppin.

Poppin said:
All true.
And He is all these things NOW:

Israel’s “Prince for Ever” — “One King,” “One Shepherd,” “The Son of David”: That is, Jesus Christ

Denying this is bizarre. Would we be in some Postponement Theology Limbo state.
If Jesus is not all those things - for Israel, no gentile is saved either.


Retro;
nowhere is David said to be resurrected, then to be a special king in an earthly kingdom...or any kingdom.
Please! Read Acts again where Peter explains what Davids throne is and that Jesus is on it!

David is a king and priest only in the same way John said he himself was:

Revelation 1
John Greets the Seven Churches
5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood-- 6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father-- to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Love in Christ
Poppin
Sorry for the delay. (Sometimes, I forget which topics I've been posting in! LOL!)

You need to understand the difference between a Messiah and a King. It's the same difference as between a President-Elect and a President! The Scriptures NEVER call Yeshua` a King (except in prophetic statements); they ALWAYS calls Him a "Messiah" - a "Christ" - "One who is Anointed TO BE King!"

See, the Magi understood that this young child was TO BE King of the Jews; therefore, they said He was "born King of the Jews." However, we are told in Luke 2:40 (KJV) that Yeshua` "grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him." In spite of the fact that He is the Son of God, He had a normal, human body that had to grow from childhood to adulthood, and NO child is fit to be a literal King! So, He was (and still is) the Heir Apparent to the Throne of David.

Now, I know and fully understand that Gavri'el told Miryam:

Luke 1:30-33
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
KJV


And, I firmly believe that! HOWEVER, it is wrong to think that David himself is not prophesied to rule under Him in His future Kingdom!

You have not yet learned the FIRST THINGS!

Matthew 22:23-33
23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them,
Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.
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Mark 12:18-27
18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying,
19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
20 Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed.
21 And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise.
22 And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also.
23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.
24 And Jesus answering said unto them,
Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

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Luke 20:27-40
27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him,
28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children.
30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless.
31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died.
32 Last of all the woman died also.
33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
34 And Jesus answering said unto them,
The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (age), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

39 Then certain of the scribes answering said, Master, thou hast well said.
40 And after that they durst not ask him any question at all.
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Yeshua` SAID that there would be a resurrection! He even concluded, "I AM the Resurrection and the Life!"

John 11:21-27
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
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Marta was thinking that she would have to wait until the resurrection at the end. Yeshua` corrected her saying that HE was the Source of resurrection and that HE could resurrect a person whenever HE decided to do so! And, shortly thereafter, He raised Elezar (Lazarus) back to life!

So, for you to say otherwise is to contradict Him! Recorded three times by three different men, we are told that Yeshua` CORRECTED the thinking of the Ts'dukiym (Sadducees) who claim that there is no such thing as a resurrection of the dead! No resurrection (or as you like to call it "reincarnation")? WRONG! There certainly SHALL be a resurrection! And, among those mentioned in the phrase, "the LORD (YHWH) the God of Avraham, and the God of Yitschaq, and the God of Ya`aqov," could also be included the patriarch David!

Hosea 3:4-5
4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.
KJV


Ezekiel 37:22-28
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
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Not "David's son" or "David's heir" but "DAVID" HIMSELF!

Simply put 2 and 2 together and conclude 4! How many ways do you need to see it in Scripture?! David will be one of those resurrected in the first resurrection and HE will be Isra'el's king while Yeshua` becomes King of kings or Emperor to the world!

And, John also said,

Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This (verse 4) is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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And, don't neglect the Resurrection Chapter itself!

1 Corinthians 15:12-58
12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30 And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31 I die every day — I mean that, brothers — just as surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32 If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,

"Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die."

33 Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character." 34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God — I say this to your shame.
35 But someone may ask (impertinently; cynically), "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

55 "Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"

56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
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David's ressurrection is implicit in a number of places in Scripture.
Jer.30:9; Hos.3:5; Amos9:11; Isa.9:7; 22:22; Psm.89; 132, to name a few.
It is highly likely that he will be in the Millennial Reign of Christ/God.
Floyd.
Absolutely certain!