What is the narrow gate?

Risen Angel · Feb 26, 2014

I just told you the application of Jesus Christ.

As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. (John 9:5)
Ye are the light of the world. (Matthew 5:14)

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power. (Ephesians 1:17-19)

When I awoke I didn't know who I was, where I was or what I was - but I wasn't alone.

kjw47 · Feb 26, 2014

Arnie Manitoba said:
kjw47

You cannot even tell us how and why you are on the so called narrow road , how the Heck do you think you can tell anyone else where they are ???

Sorry to be so rough on you but critics like that are a dime a dozen .... they loudly proclaim how wrong everyone else is , yet can never proclaim what they do that is any better.

Stand up and be counted !!!

God gave everyone the key to the narrow gate---God said--- This is my son the beloved whom I have approved--LISTEN TO HIM.

only 1 religion on earth does this.

avoice · Feb 26, 2014

Wow from my reading kjw47 asked a simple question in the OP .....
Then later said I BELIVE 99% ...
Not that Christ said that in any verse ... No one has to agree with that point
but this whole thread is just piling on attacks to a simple question ..
Seems some here are like lions waiting for fresh meat.

Read Amos 8: 11 -12 maybe that is part of what kjw47 is addressing
but you would never know being so quick to attack a simple question

michaelvpardo · Feb 26, 2014

Risen Angel said:
I just told you the application of Jesus Christ.

As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. (John 9:5)
Ye are the light of the world. (Matthew 5:14)

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power. (Ephesians 1:17-19)

When I awoke I didn't know who I was, where I was or what I was - but I wasn't alone.

I've met a man once while at work at the PA Bus terminal in NYC on one bright and cheery evening. He was hawking some new age books and actually trying to convince me and a Christian brother that I was working with of a similar teaching. He also said a few things which seemed to promote the idea that Jesus was no different from any of us, but had become enlightened. Simple response to such doctrine: Hogwash.
You haven't written enough here for me to make such a judgment, but it sounds a little like you were dosed with a hallucinogenic. Many primitive religions and cults have and still do use mind altering substances to bring about "spiritual" experiences, but in the end they remain deceptive. I had such an experience while in college and out drinking in a bar in downtown Buffalo. Someone dosed me without my knowledge and I spent the entire night roaming about campus and parts of the Amherst suburbs having what seemed to be an amazing spiritual experience. The trouble with the experience was that the only thing truly spiritual about it was in my interaction with God's fallen creation and all things which came down to us from the Father of spirits. I wasn't saved until nearly two decades later and it was only then that I could have a proper perspective on my former experiences (which were not limited to that single event, nor to drug consumption.)
If you've come to terms with your sin nature and recognized that there is no hope in yourself, but turned to Christ for salvation, trusted in the redemption price paid in His blood, and believed that He is risen from the dead in confirmation of the words of the covenant (and as our Lord,) then perhaps your experience might be genuine, but what of it?
I might be more inclined to believe such an experience than most. I've had chronic back problems since I was in college and for more than 30 years. Once, about 20 years ago, I was experiencing back spasms and significant pain along with an accompanying headache that was nearly blinding. I wasn't able to work that day and I did the only thing which seemed reasonable, which was to lie down in bed and try to find some relief in sleep. At some point in my sleep I was partially awakened by the sensation of hands moving my torso about on my bed (I was single, alone, and living in an apartment in Red Bank at the time.) I was aware of bright light in my room, but I was unable to open my eyes, nor could I bring myself to be fully awake, and with this perceived manipulation I could also feel some movement in my spine (something like when my chiropractor adjusts me, but less violent.) I fell back into a deep sleep, but when I did awake about two or three hours after I'd lay down, I no longer felt any back pain and my headache was gone. In retrospect I'm convinced that the Lord sent angels to minister to me and correct a serious physical condition which at the very least threatened my livelihood if not my life, but I was not yet a born again believer in Christ and the event bore no meaning in terms of my spiritual redemption or faith in Christ.

Jesus Himself spoke (a little cryptically) about two different kinds of light: "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. "But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! Matthew 6:22-23
The Luciferians put a great deal of stock in "light bearers" and believe that Lucifer was the light bearer. The Apostle Paul wrote, "And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:14 And this in the context of false teachers and preachers of righteousness. Don't expect to make such statements and to be well received because of them, they only make you suspect and bring your doctrine under closer scrutiny. Consider Jesus' statement in the previous quote. What does it mean to have a good eye or a bad eye? If we are born with a fallen nature, how could our eyes be good? How can we have good eyes without receiving a "new" nature which is good by virtue of the Spirit who gave it new birth through faith in Christ, and in believing the gospel?

I'll ask you plainly so that we needn't waste anyone's time. Who is Jesus Christ, or if you prefer Yashua of Nazareth, and what is your relationship to Him?

Arnie Manitoba · Feb 28, 2014

avoice said:
Wow from my reading kjw47 asked a simple question in the OP .....
Then later said I BELIVE 99% ...
Not that Christ said that in any verse ... No one has to agree with that point
but this whole thread is just piling on attacks to a simple question ..
Seems some here are like lions waiting for fresh meat.

Read Amos 8: 11 -12 maybe that is part of what kjw47 is addressing
but you would never know being so quick to attack a simple question

....... fair enough but what I would like to know is why kjw47 comes on a christian forum and then asks if we are Christians (narrow gate question)

Who does he think we are ??

Don't mind me , but I think the question smacks of arrogance because he insinuates maybe we are not (on the narrow road) (like him)

Would his question not be better directed at the pagans and the unsaved ?

Or is he one of those "christians" who thinks he alone has it correct , and the rest of us are on the broad road to destruction .

I have asked him several times to clarify his point ..... but he evades the answer.

I hate evasive answers, sorry

I invite him to try again.

Please and thank you.

kjw47 · Feb 28, 2014

Arnie Manitoba said:
....... fair enough but what I would like to know is why kjw47 comes on a christian forum and then asks if we are Christians (narrow gate question)

Who does he think we are ??

Don't mind me , but I think the question smacks of arrogance because he insinuates maybe we are not (on the narrow road) (like him)

Would his question not be better directed at the pagans and the unsaved ?

Or is he one of those "christians" who thinks he alone has it correct , and the rest of us are on the broad road to destruction .

I have asked him several times to clarify his point ..... but he evades the answer.

I hate evasive answers, sorry

I invite him to try again.

Please and thank you.

Jesus said not all are on the cramped road that leads to life--not even some who are being told they are Matt 7:21-23--Jesus taught--Few will find the road.
Ask direct questions please.
Eternal life is on the line for each of us.
This world is a mass of confusion--even within the 33,000 religions claiming Christianity--- but not in reality-1 Corinthians 1:10)

Arnie Manitoba · Feb 28, 2014

kjw47 said:
Jesus said not all are on the cramped road that leads to life--not even some who are being told they are Matt 7:21-23--Jesus taught--Few will find the road.
Ask direct questions please.
Eternal life is on the line for each of us.
This world is a mass of confusion--even within the 33,000 religions claiming Christianity--- but not in reality-1 Corinthians 1:10)

Ok .... here is a direct question ..... look at all the things done wrong by the 1st Corinthians and tell me .... are they saved Christians or not ?

kjw47 · Mar 1, 2014

Arnie Manitoba said:
Ok .... here is a direct question ..... look at all the things done wrong by the 1st Corinthians and tell me .... are they saved Christians or not ?

They all paid the wages of sin in full = death--they are promised a resurrection.

Arnie Manitoba · Mar 1, 2014

kjw47 said:
They all paid the wages of sin in full = death--they are promised a resurrection.

You continue to be evasive.

Got something to hide ?

Risen Angel · Mar 2, 2014

Who is Jesus Christ? And what is my relationship with Him?

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. (1 Peter 3:15-16)

Go ahead and scrutinize my doctrine; no problem there. I have nothing to hide in that aspect.

What I am trying to explain in this thread is that I have been changed by Jesus Christ. I can't confirm for you that the process is complete; I am more a work in progress, if you will. The experience I mentioned earlier is not the only evidence I have that God has come into my life. Since you talked about healing, I will match your example with one of my own.

One day on the farm I was feeding the cows in the morning. I was in the pen dumping grain into their trough. These playful creatures like to push you around with their heads when they are young. They put their heads down and just plow into you. I was turned to the side and the calf slammed into my knee, dislocating it from the socket. I collapsed to the floor, screaming in agony. I cried out to God and he guided my hands to snap my knee back into place. The pain was incredible, as anyone with a similar experience can surely vouch for. I couldn't walk.

Someone had to come help me off the ground and hold me up as I hobbled back to the administration building. A person I was with asked if he could lay hands on my injury and pray for me. At first I was a little taken aback - it was my first encounter with this kind of medical treatment. As he lay hands on my knee, an electric shock passed between my leg and his hand. The pain receded, but was still present. Perhaps I wasn't quite willing to believe that God really heals us.

That night I went to sleep in agonizing pain, and had a dream about a man. A man who came and healed me; we walked together. When I awoke in the morning I no longer felt any pain, the swelling was completely gone and I could walk up and down the stairs with no assistance. I had never previously experienced such an amazing occurrence.

To give an even clearer representation - I will put it onto context for you. I had a similar injury several years previous.... before I had encountered God in a personal way. It was the same type of dislocation. That same injury drove me to painkillers, physical therapy and two weeks before I could walk again.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17-18)

I was on the receiving end of healing in this particular instance, but it is not my only example. It is only the one I care to share here.

I understand your reference about Satan, but I assure you - there is no relevance here. I find your comment about hallucinogenic drugs a little misguided. At the time of my LIGHT experience I hadn't touched a drink or drug for nearly eight months. So anything that may have been in my system previously was surely flushed out and no longer present. No one 'dosed' me.

I don't prescribe to any new age philosophy, although I have read some literature. I like to know what my opposition claims to be true, so that I can find the flaws in their logic and argue it while making some sort of sense. I hope to appeal to their reasoning, if nothing else. I am not an uneducated man, spouting my opinion as fact, with no basis in reality.

I try to align my personal experiences with what God says in his word.

Although I was exposed to Christianity as a child, I refused the concept and studied Philosophy in university and went down all sorts of paths. I've read the Qur'an, Confucius, The Celestine Prophecy, Immanuel Kant, Rene Descartes, Karl Marx, Plato, St. Francis, George Berkeley, John Locke, David Hume, Thomas Hobbes, Bertrand Russell, etc. Blah, blah, blah. Countless hours of countless pages. Then I branched into English and studied many other works - too many to list. Of course, in my spare time I poured science fiction, fantasy and classical literature into my mind.

Carrying on the path of philosophy, I studied computer science (programming) because I found a relationship between philosophical concepts and source code.

All of this reading, all of this searching, led me to ONE truth - our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Nothing compares to the living God who is not hidden in the pages of a book, but rather present and interactive. A God who speaks and WALKS with his people.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:5-6)

But don't take my word for it. Just ask Him yourself.

logabe · Mar 2, 2014

kjw47 said:
Jesus said not all are on the cramped road that leads to life--not even some who are being told they are Matt 7:21-23--Jesus taught--Few will find the road.
Ask direct questions please.
Eternal life is on the line for each of us.
This world is a mass of confusion--even within the 33,000 religions claiming Christianity--- but not in reality-1 Corinthians 1:10)

The life that Jesus is speaking of is the life in the Ages to come. If we continue to
reject the plan of God, we will continue to believe that God will save less than 1%
of the population that has ever lived. Let's listen to what Paul had to say in Phil. 3:
12-14,

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already
been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for
which Christ Jesus took hold of me.
13 Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold
of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and
straining toward what is ahead,
14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God
has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Paul is speaking of becoming mature (perfect) as in the things pertaining to God. He
knew it was a daily process if we are to learn humility by faith to obtain the prize that
Jesus will give to the ones that had their goal set for the 1st Resurrection. The reason
I say that the 1st Resurrection is the goal is because of what he told us a few verses
later. Phil. 3:21 says,

21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything
under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that
they will be like his glorious body.

My point is, God has a plan that says there will be a 1st Resurrection where He will choose
by His Law (WORD) who will receive LIFE FIRST. That is what Paul is saying in the 3rd
chapter of Phil.

None of us can comprehend the magnitude of Paul's statement in this 21st verse. Paul is
saying he will give immortality to the ones that overcome the trials and tribulations of this
life. That is what the whole 3rd chapter is about "life in the AGES", where we will live among
people that are still mortal, but we will be immortal.

I'm going to say what Paul said... at the moment I press toward that goal to receive my reward
of immortality when Jesus comes. I haven't attained that yet, but by faith I continue to learn
humility so that I might be exalted in do time (1st Peter 5:6).

6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God's mighty hand, that
he may lift you up in due time.

My point is, most Christians are worried about getting people saved and miss the point of
becoming mature. All of their Christian lives they don't allow God to develop His ways
within them, and they don't teach others maturity, so God will raise them @ the general
resurrection after the Tabernacle's Age. God will bring them through their maturing stage
@ that time and God will establish His character so they can enjoy immortality just as the
overcomers did in the 1st Resurrection (1st Cor. 3:15).

If we continue to look @ the scriptures in the carnal mind, we will never see the big picture
that God has hidden from the ones that aren't really serious about knowing the Truth. Their
more interested in being right than in knowing what the Truth of God really is. Yes... there
will be a few people compared to the population of the earth that comes to maturity in the
1st Resurrection. But that's not the end of the story. God's Plan continues until everything is
under the feet of Jesus Christ. This is just the beginning!!!

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

kjw47 · Mar 2, 2014

logabe said:
The life that Jesus is speaking of is the life in the Ages to come. If we continue to
reject the plan of God, we will continue to believe that God will save less than 1%
of the population that has ever lived. Let's listen to what Paul had to say in Phil. 3:
12-14,

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already
been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for
which Christ Jesus took hold of me.
13 Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold
of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and
straining toward what is ahead,
14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God
has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Paul is speaking of becoming mature (perfect) as in the things pertaining to God. He
knew it was a daily process if we are to learn humility by faith to obtain the prize that
Jesus will give to the ones that had their goal set for the 1st Resurrection. The reason
I say that the 1st Resurrection is the goal is because of what he told us a few verses
later. Phil. 3:21 says,

21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything
under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that
they will be like his glorious body.

My point is, God has a plan that says there will be a 1st Resurrection where He will choose
by His Law (WORD) who will receive LIFE FIRST. That is what Paul is saying in the 3rd
chapter of Phil.

None of us can comprehend the magnitude of Paul's statement in this 21st verse. Paul is
saying he will give immortality to the ones that overcome the trials and tribulations of this
life. That is what the whole 3rd chapter is about "life in the AGES", where we will live among
people that are still mortal, but we will be immortal.

I'm going to say what Paul said... at the moment I press toward that goal to receive my reward
of immortality when Jesus comes. I haven't attained that yet, but by faith I continue to learn
humility so that I might be exalted in do time (1st Peter 5:6).

6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God's mighty hand, that
he may lift you up in due time.

My point is, most Christians are worried about getting people saved and miss the point of
becoming mature. All of their Christian lives they don't allow God to develop His ways
within them, and they don't teach others maturity, so God will raise them @ the general
resurrection after the Tabernacle's Age. God will bring them through their maturing stage
@ that time and God will establish His character so they can enjoy immortality just as the
overcomers did in the 1st Resurrection (1st Cor. 3:15).

If we continue to look @ the scriptures in the carnal mind, we will never see the big picture
that God has hidden from the ones that aren't really serious about knowing the Truth. Their
more interested in being right than in knowing what the Truth of God really is. Yes... there
will be a few people compared to the population of the earth that comes to maturity in the
1st Resurrection. But that's not the end of the story. God's Plan continues until everything is
under the feet of Jesus Christ. This is just the beginning!!!

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

Hi, Paul was part of the little flock = the bride of Christ= 144,000 rev 14:3) no more-no less( these go in the first resurrection)------ the rest who are true followers are the great crowd of other sheep--these do not go to heaven--they inherit the earth Jesus taught.

Arnie Manitoba · Mar 2, 2014

kjw47 said:
Hi, Paul was part of the little flock = the bride of Christ= 144,000 rev 14:3) no more-no less( these go in the first resurrection)------ the rest who are true followers are the great crowd of other sheep--these do not go to heaven--they inherit the earth Jesus taught.

AHA !!! the teachings of Russel & the JW,s

Makes sense now.

kjw47 · Mar 2, 2014

Risen Angel said:
Who is Jesus Christ? And what is my relationship with Him?

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. (1 Peter 3:15-16)

Go ahead and scrutinize my doctrine; no problem there. I have nothing to hide in that aspect.

What I am trying to explain in this thread is that I have been changed by Jesus Christ. I can't confirm for you that the process is complete; I am more a work in progress, if you will. The experience I mentioned earlier is not the only evidence I have that God has come into my life. Since you talked about healing, I will match your example with one of my own.

One day on the farm I was feeding the cows in the morning. I was in the pen dumping grain into their trough. These playful creatures like to push you around with their heads when they are young. They put their heads down and just plow into you. I was turned to the side and the calf slammed into my knee, dislocating it from the socket. I collapsed to the floor, screaming in agony. I cried out to God and he guided my hands to snap my knee back into place. The pain was incredible, as anyone with a similar experience can surely vouch for. I couldn't walk.

Someone had to come help me off the ground and hold me up as I hobbled back to the administration building. A person I was with asked if he could lay hands on my injury and pray for me. At first I was a little taken aback - it was my first encounter with this kind of medical treatment. As he lay hands on my knee, an electric shock passed between my leg and his hand. The pain receded, but was still present. Perhaps I wasn't quite willing to believe that God really heals us.

That night I went to sleep in agonizing pain, and had a dream about a man. A man who came and healed me; we walked together. When I awoke in the morning I no longer felt any pain, the swelling was completely gone and I could walk up and down the stairs with no assistance. I had never previously experienced such an amazing occurrence.

To give an even clearer representation - I will put it onto context for you. I had a similar injury several years previous.... before I had encountered God in a personal way. It was the same type of dislocation. That same injury drove me to painkillers, physical therapy and two weeks before I could walk again.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17-18)

I was on the receiving end of healing in this particular instance, but it is not my only example. It is only the one I care to share here.

I understand your reference about Satan, but I assure you - there is no relevance here. I find your comment about hallucinogenic drugs a little misguided. At the time of my LIGHT experience I hadn't touched a drink or drug for nearly eight months. So anything that may have been in my system previously was surely flushed out and no longer present. No one 'dosed' me.

I don't prescribe to any new age philosophy, although I have read some literature. I like to know what my opposition claims to be true, so that I can find the flaws in their logic and argue it while making some sort of sense. I hope to appeal to their reasoning, if nothing else. I am not an uneducated man, spouting my opinion as fact, with no basis in reality.

I try to align my personal experiences with what God says in his word.

Although I was exposed to Christianity as a child, I refused the concept and studied Philosophy in university and went down all sorts of paths. I've read the Qur'an, Confucius, The Celestine Prophecy, Immanuel Kant, Rene Descartes, Karl Marx, Plato, St. Francis, George Berkeley, John Locke, David Hume, Thomas Hobbes, Bertrand Russell, etc. Blah, blah, blah. Countless hours of countless pages. Then I branched into English and studied many other works - too many to list. Of course, in my spare time I poured science fiction, fantasy and classical literature into my mind.

Carrying on the path of philosophy, I studied computer science (programming) because I found a relationship between philosophical concepts and source code.

All of this reading, all of this searching, led me to ONE truth - our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Nothing compares to the living God who is not hidden in the pages of a book, but rather present and interactive. A God who speaks and WALKS with his people.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:5-6)

But don't take my word for it. Just ask Him yourself.

You just showed in your last quote from ephesians--only the Father is God---same thing Jesus taught-John 17:1-6--verse 6 = YHWH(Jehovah)
Paul taught this as well-1 cor 8:6)

So now either Gods word teaches 2 different gods or the trinity translations are filled with error to mislead.

michaelvpardo · Mar 5, 2014

Risen Angel said:
Who is Jesus Christ? And what is my relationship with Him?

But don't take my word for it. Just ask Him yourself.

Your back ground reminds me somewhat of my own, but the point that I was making (possibly at your expense) is that our faith isn't supposed to be based upon our experience, but rather upon the Word of God. Its not strange when our experience confirms what the scripture says, because the scripture is entirely true. I actually think it odd that very few people seem to have had spiritual experiences in lives that they claim to have devoted to the service of Christ. The more significant point that I was trying to make is that while God is calling His own to Himself, and while He may make Himself known to us in many ways, that is not of itself a proof that He has redeemed us. The proof tends to be in our confession and in our actions. With the heart one believes, with the mouth one confesses, but the life that we live is our testimony. Again, I'm not making accusation, I just believe in clarity in our witness; The Lord hasn't called us to obfuscate or dazzle with our testimony, but to walk humbly with our God. I actually tend to believe those with the more curious testimonies simply because my own life has proven more than a bit curious. Oh, and by the way, I consider "Jesus is Lord" both a true statement and a true confession. Some professing "Christians" see Him as something less, so I see them as something less.

kjw47 · Mar 5, 2014

Yes--Jesus is Lord-1 cor 8:6--YHWH(Jehovah) is the most high over all the earth-psalm 83:18--- this is Jesus' God and Father-John 20:17, rev 3:12--The one Jesus teaches is--THE ONLY TRUE GOD while praying to him at John 17:1-6) verse 6 = YHWH(Jehovah)

michaelvpardo · Mar 6, 2014

kjw47 said:
Yes--Jesus is Lord-1 cor 8:6--YHWH(Jehovah) is the most high over all the earth-psalm 83:18--- this is Jesus' God and Father-John 20:17, rev 3:12--The one Jesus teaches is--THE ONLY TRUE GOD while praying to him at John 17:1-6) verse 6 = YHWH(Jehovah)

Not that it really matters much, but I've come to understand that the correct pronunciation of "the name" is really more like "Yah Ha' Vah," (or was it Yah' ha Vah' (?)) though I wouldn't recommend throwing it about the way people do with the anglicized Greek name Jesus, or Jehovah. I've heard lots of argument against it or for a different pronunciation, but if you look up the meaning of the two words "Yah" and "Havah," you'll see why this makes sense (there are two different Hebrew words that could be spelled "Havah," one is the name translated as "Eve" in the book of Genesis, the other starts with a "soft H" rather than the hard (ch) sound and spelled out "HVH", or "hay" "vaw" "hay".) I also appreciate that the Hebrew pronunciation (postulated) more closely suggests relationship between the Father and the Son (Yah Shoo' ah.) Perhaps its better if people don't know how to pronounce it seeing that we are often given to abuse God's name on a regular basis, but I don't believe in the applications made with it to the purposes of sorcery; i.e.: knowing God's name doesn't give power over Him, as was believed by the ancient Egyptians and other pagan societies (some of which still exist and have hidden themselves within supposedly "Christian" religion.) Getting a wee bit off topic here as this goes more to the topic of Mystery Babylon and the "mystery of iniquity." And with this, I bid the topic farewell.

Arnie Manitoba · Mar 6, 2014

kjw47 said:
Jesus taught----- Enter through the narrow gate, because cramped is the road that leads to life( eternal) FEW will find it. Have you seen the narrow gate? Are you one of the FEW?

Only the Jehovah's Witnesses are on the narrow road ..... right kjw47 ??

Isn't this what you were trying to say all along ??

Took me a while to catch on.

kjw47 · Mar 7, 2014

The JW teachers are the only teachers I have ever found who teach Jesus' truths--learning Jesus truths and applying them is the key. So I do believe Jesus teachers are the narrow gate to the door(Jesus) to gain entrance to the ancient of days( Father) YHWH(Jehovah) then this truth will be real--The Father is searching for suchlike ones to worship him in spirit and truth.

michaelvpardo · Mar 9, 2014

kjw47 said:
The JW teachers are the only teachers I have ever found who teach Jesus' truths--learning Jesus truths and applying them is the key. So I do believe Jesus teachers are the narrow gate to the door(Jesus) to gain entrance to the ancient of days( Father) YHWH(Jehovah) then this truth will be real--The Father is searching for suchlike ones to worship him in spirit and truth.

The founder of the Jehovah's witnesses was a Free Mason and the Free Masons have taught from scripture for centuries if not for millennia, however their doctrine is warped, twisted, deceiving, and deceived. The Father isn't looking for luciferians and cults because they supposedly "follow the teachings of Jesus Christ." Sorry to come back to the topic after having blown it off, but Arnie has been able to see through the thing that you were being covert about.
Here's the real deal and the offer is for you as well as for anyone who has ears to hear. A son is always of the same stuff as his father. Jesus is the Eternal Son of God, always has been and always will be equal to God in character, but submitted to the Father and One with Him. The fullness of the Father dwells in Him. He is Lord. No one comes to Him (Jesus) unless the Father calls Him. To submit to Jesus is to submit to the Father, and since He is the One in whom the Father is well pleased, you must be born again of His Spirit to be found in Him and found pleasing to the Father, by being covered by His righteousness and not your own.
Believe the gospel! Confess your sin and your inability to save yourself, then call upon the Lord Jesus to save you, and you have His promise that He will. Ask for His Spirit to guide you into all righteousness and He will. Then you won't need to follow Jesus' teachings from the scripture or from some prophet, but you can follow Him and have your mind renewed by His word (there's a big difference which many are unable to grasp, because their minds remain carnal.) The first step is overcoming pride. The second is submission to Him. The third is receiving Him by Faith. None of this happens except by the work of His Spirit, but there is no other way. The one who enters the sheepfold by another way, the same is a thief and a robber.

What is the narrow gate?

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