What is the narrow gate?

kjw47 · Apr 24, 2014

RANDOR said:
Here's my 2 cents
Yes, I don't care what gate there is in heaven.
I WILL SURELY PASS THROUGH IT
Thank you Jesus for forgiving me of ALL my sins 26 years ago when you came into my garage.
PRAYER::::Please Lord show yourself to KJW before he takes his last breath...but way before that..so he can now proclaim your truth to the lost. AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaa....he's all yours Lord. KWJ stand by my friend....the Lord cometh
KJW.....forgive me I'm a little radical for Christ....I don't have to use scriptures....I'll just tell you of the one who sits by my side....come and join us.

KJW....I know what you're thinkin..........sheeeeeeeeesh this dude is nuts.........Look at it this way....lets say you and I are great buddies. We hang out all the time, we hunt, fish, work, and play. Where I am there you are, where you are there I am. So........why would I have to study about you?
I KNOW KJW PERSONALLY

I have no idea who you are, I can only go by the thoughts which leave your fingertips.
But my spirit tells me you are a wonderful person..
God bless you KJW

Jesus taught--proof of ones love for him was by listening to him( and applying obviously)
Then its good to know you listen to Jesus' truths.
Here is an ultra important one--not a single Trinitarian on earth is taught to live by.

Therefore, keep on seeking FIRST the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added.

This is ultra important if Jesus said first---and the reasoning is when one does this Matt 16:24) then they will become fishers of men rather than seek out the things of this world.

I pray each day yopu wake up pondering what can I do for the kingdom and Jehovah today. This pleases Jesus.

logabe · Apr 25, 2014

kjw47 said:
Jesus taught--proof of ones love for him was by listening to him( and applying obviously)
Then its good to know you listen to Jesus' truths.
Here is an ultra important one--not a single Trinitarian on earth is taught to live by.

Therefore, keep on seeking FIRST the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added.

This is ultra important if Jesus said first---and the reasoning is when one does this Matt 16:24) then they will become fishers of men rather than seek out the things of this world.

I pray each day yopu wake up pondering what can I do for the kingdom and Jehovah today. This pleases Jesus.

Jehovah is Spirit and His Plan was to become a man that could die for the world, so
mankind could be released from the curse of the Law that had been broken. In other
words, God became flesh for the purpose of dying to re-establish the peace toward
all mankind.

Thus, Jehovah became flesh and dwelled among us in His Body called Jesus (salvation),
to show us the way back to the Garden by example. God wanted to reveal who the Great
I Am was in the O.T. (Exodus 3:14).

14 God said to Moses, " I AM WHO I AM "; and He said, "Thus
you shall say to the sons of Israel, ' I AM has sent me to you.' "

Jesus was the manifestation of the Spirit or " the Great I AM". He revealed to the Jews
who He was and they tried to take Him before His time (John 8:58-59).

58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before
Abraham was born, I am."
59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but
Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

They understood what Jesus was saying, but they didn't want to believe it. He was telling
them He was the I AM of the O.T. They were trying to see Him as just a man and nothing
else.

It's very hard to understand the deity of God if you don't understand that Jesus is the Great
I AM. What does the Great I AM mean? John 8:38 gives us the meaning,

38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the
works, so that you may know and understand that the Father
is in Me, and I in the Father."

Thus, I and my Father are ONE. Not two, not three, but ONE. John 18:5-6, gives us an
inkling of the power of the Great I AM.

5 They answered Him, "Jesus the Nazarene." He said to them,
"I am He." And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing
with them.
6 So when He said to them, "I am He," they drew back and fell to
the ground.

My question is, what do you want Jesus to be to you?

I am the Light of the world.
I am the way, the truth, and the life.
I am the Door.
I am the good shepherd.
I am the resurrection and life.
I am the bread of life.
I am the Alpha and omega.
I am the first and the last.
I am the bright and morning star.
I am the fairest of 10,000.
I am the lily of the valley.
I am the rose of Sharon.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. I just want you to mediate upon this
post and let God speak to you, so you will know who you worship. I almost forgot.

I am the Almighty. (Rev 1:8)

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

kjw47 · Apr 25, 2014

logabe said:
Jehovah is Spirit and His Plan was to become a man that could die for the world, so
mankind could be released from the curse of the Law that had been broken. In other
words, God became flesh for the purpose of dying to re-establish the peace toward
all mankind.

Thus, Jehovah became flesh and dwelled among us in His Body called Jesus (salvation),
to show us the way back to the Garden by example. God wanted to reveal who the Great
I Am was in the O.T. (Exodus 3:14).

14 God said to Moses, " I AM WHO I AM "; and He said, "Thus
you shall say to the sons of Israel, ' I AM has sent me to you.' "

Jesus was the manifestation of the Spirit or " the Great I AM". He revealed to the Jews
who He was and they tried to take Him before His time (John 8:58-59).

58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before
Abraham was born, I am."
59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but
Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

They understood what Jesus was saying, but they didn't want to believe it. He was telling
them He was the I AM of the O.T. They were trying to see Him as just a man and nothing
else.

It's very hard to understand the deity of God if you don't understand that Jesus is the Great
I AM. What does the Great I AM mean? John 8:38 gives us the meaning,

38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the
works, so that you may know and understand that the Father
is in Me, and I in the Father."

Thus, I and my Father are ONE. Not two, not three, but ONE. John 18:5-6, gives us an
inkling of the power of the Great I AM.

5 They answered Him, "Jesus the Nazarene." He said to them,
"I am He." And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing
with them.
6 So when He said to them, "I am He," they drew back and fell to
the ground.

My question is, what do you want Jesus to be to you?

I am the Light of the world.
I am the way, the truth, and the life.
I am the Door.
I am the good shepherd.
I am the resurrection and life.
I am the bread of life.
I am the Alpha and omega.
I am the first and the last.
I am the bright and morning star.
I am the fairest of 10,000.
I am the lily of the valley.
I am the rose of Sharon.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. I just want you to mediate upon this
post and let God speak to you, so you will know who you worship. I almost forgot.

I am the Almighty. (Rev 1:8)

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

Jehovah didn't come to earth--Jesus prayed to Jehovah in heaven at John 17:1-6--where Jesus calls the Father -YHWH(Jehovah) --the only true God--verse 6 = Jehovah.

Who ever taught you Jehovah came to earth doesn't know truth.

michaelvpardo · Apr 25, 2014

kjw47 said:
My question is, what do you want Jesus to be to you?

I am the Light of the world.
I am the way, the truth, and the life.
I am the Door.
I am the good shepherd.
I am the resurrection and life.
I am the bread of life.
I am the Alpha and omega.
I am the first and the last.
I am the bright and morning star.
I am the fairest of 10,000.
I am the lily of the valley.
I am the rose of Sharon.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. I just want you to mediate upon this
post and let God speak to you, so you will know who you worship. I almost forgot.

I am the Almighty. (Rev 1:8)

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

Jehovah didn't come to earth--Jesus prayed to Jehovah in heaven at John 17:1-6--where Jesus calls the Father -YHWH(Jehovah) --the only true God--verse 6 = Jehovah.

Who ever taught you Jehovah came to earth doesn't know truth.

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Not once in scripture does it ever say that Jesus prayed to Yah havah. He always spoke of God as His Father and never by name (and as a faithful Jew, He wouldn't have, but He clearly applied the identity of Yah havah to Himself when confronting the unbelief of the Pharisees and scribes. Good try though, for a dead person.

This Vale Of Tears · Apr 25, 2014

kjw47 said:
Could you elaborate that Jesus doesn't deny one that calls on him in light of this truth from Jesus--Matt 7:21-23--(this is judgement time)

Trust in the real Jesus not the fake one being taught by 32,999 religions.

Can you be any more arrogant? If it's true that your tiny little sect that's barely over a century old has the "real Jesus" and the rest of us have the "fake Jesus" then I guess Jesus did a terrible job revealing himself to us not only today but for the last 2000 years. I can't even begin to address such a prideful statement in an intelligent manner and if my opinion of the JW's was low before, you sure helped get it even lower still.

kjw47 · Apr 25, 2014

This Vale Of Tears said:
Can you be any more arrogant? If it's true that your tiny little sect that's barely over a century old has the "real Jesus" and the rest of us have the "fake Jesus" then I guess Jesus did a terrible job revealing himself to us not only today but for the last 2000 years. I can't even begin to address such a prideful statement in an intelligent manner and if my opinion of the JW's was low before, you sure helped get it even lower still.

The majority knows when they choose to sin it is wrong--yet they do it over and over-- that is being wicked, to God--
Because some mortal told them they were saved--yet he had 0 clue as to who will be saved in reality. One must endure till the end to be saved--A mortal has 0 clue who will do that.
Many truths are found in the bible--not many bother to read it--not many bother to learn Jesus' truths and apply them. The only possible way to see the entrance to the narrow gate is to learn Jesus' truths and apply them.
Mr C.T.Russell started the fulfillment of this-Daniel 12:4

Michael V Pardo said:
Not once in scripture does it ever say that Jesus prayed to Yah havah. He always spoke of God as His Father and never by name (and as a faithful Jew, He wouldn't have, but He clearly applied the identity of Yah havah to Himself when confronting the unbelief of the Pharisees and scribes. Good try though, for a dead person.

John 17:6--clearly Jesus used his Fathers name--and further on Jesus promises to keep making his Fathers name known. That name is YHWH(Jehovah) -- 100% fact--Jesus was taught YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God in the synagogues his first 30 years. Because YHWH(Jehovah) is Jesus' God as well-John 20:17, rev 3:12

logabe · Apr 26, 2014

kjw47 said:
Jehovah is Spirit and His Plan was to become a man that could die for the world, so
mankind could be released from the curse of the Law that had been broken. In other
words, God became flesh for the purpose of dying to re-establish the peace toward
all mankind.

Thus, Jehovah became flesh and dwelled among us in His Body called Jesus (salvation),
to show us the way back to the Garden by example. God wanted to reveal who the Great
I Am was in the O.T. (Exodus 3:14).

14 God said to Moses, " I AM WHO I AM "; and He said, "Thus
you shall say to the sons of Israel, ' I AM has sent me to you.' "

Jesus was the manifestation of the Spirit or " the Great I AM". He revealed to the Jews
who He was and they tried to take Him before His time (John 8:58-59).

58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before
Abraham was born, I am."
59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but
Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

They understood what Jesus was saying, but they didn't want to believe it. He was telling
them He was the I AM of the O.T. They were trying to see Him as just a man and nothing
else.

It's very hard to understand the deity of God if you don't understand that Jesus is the Great
I AM. What does the Great I AM mean? John 8:38 gives us the meaning,

38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the
works, so that you may know and understand that the Father
is in Me, and I in the Father."

Thus, I and my Father are ONE. Not two, not three, but ONE. John 18:5-6, gives us an
inkling of the power of the Great I AM.

5 They answered Him, "Jesus the Nazarene." He said to them,
"I am He." And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing
with them.
6 So when He said to them, "I am He," they drew back and fell to
the ground.

My question is, what do you want Jesus to be to you?

I am the Light of the world.
I am the way, the truth, and the life.
I am the Door.
I am the good shepherd.
I am the resurrection and life.
I am the bread of life.
I am the Alpha and omega.
I am the first and the last.
I am the bright and morning star.
I am the fairest of 10,000.
I am the lily of the valley.
I am the rose of Sharon.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. I just want you to mediate upon this
post and let God speak to you, so you will know who you worship. I almost forgot.

I am the Almighty. (Rev 1:8)

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

Jehovah didn't come to earth--Jesus prayed to Jehovah in heaven at John 17:1-6--where Jesus calls the Father -YHWH(Jehovah) --the only true God--verse 6 = Jehovah.

Who ever taught you Jehovah came to earth doesn't know truth.

Click to expand...

We must recognize the humanity of God. Jehovah was manifest in the flesh (1st Tim. 3:16), and
He was called Immanuel ( Jehovah with us). Jehovah prepared Himself a body to dwell in so we
could understand who God was in earthly terms.

That flesh that Jehovah was manifested in was called the Son of God. JEHOVAH BECAME A MAN
and we must recognize that man as the new beginning of a NEW CREATION. That is why we must
be born again the same way God manifested himself in his body called Jesus the Christ. He is still
manifesting himself inside of us today, until all come to the understanding and maturity of the Plan
of God.

In Isa. 12, Jehovah reveals his plan to his people of that day and also for today. He let's us know that
he will become our salvation. How will he do that? It's a mystery or a secret that has been hidden to
those who have heart idols that have to be removed in order for Jehovah to reveal it to his servants.
I had many heart idols that kept me from receiving revelation from God and probably I have a few
more Jehovah needs to deal with in the future. But here it is in Isa. 12:2-4,

2 "Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid ; For
the LORD GOD is my strength and song, And He has become my
salvation."
3 Therefore you will joyously draw water From the springs of
salvation.
4 And in that day you will say, " Give thanks to the LORD, call on
His name. Make known His deeds among the peoples ; Make them
remember that His name is exalted."

In other words, Jehovah is my Jesus, and he has become my Jesus (salvation), therefore I will
draw water (Holy Ghost) from the springs of Jesus (salvation). In that day we will know who our
God is and will begin to call upon his name and make them remember that his name (Jesus) will
be exalted.

What name was being exalted in that day? Jesus! Paul said, whatever you do, in word or deed, do
all in the name of Jesus. Jesus said, Father I have made your name known in John 17:6. What
name did he manifest? Jesus! Not only was the man named Jesus, but also the Spirit (Father).

All of the disciples used that name when they cast out devils, or when they baptized, or when they
prayed for people to be healed. The Spirit (Father) gave Jesus (the man) a name that was above
every name, that @ the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus
the Christ is Lord!!! Why? Because that was the Father's (Spirit) name. Why do you think the disciples
baptized in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38, Acts 8:16, Acts 10:48, Acts 19:5, and Acts 22:16), when
Jesus plainly told them in Matthew 28:19 to baptize in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son,
and in the name of the Holy Ghost, but the disciples bluntly disobeyed his command in the book of Acts,
or did they?

No... they got the idols in their heart that were taught by the priests out of their way, and God revealed
to them who he was.

Jehovah manifested in the flesh!!!

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

kjw47 · Apr 26, 2014

logabe said:
We must recognize the humanity of God. Jehovah was manifest in the flesh (1st Tim. 3:16), and
He was called Immanuel ( Jehovah with us). Jehovah prepared Himself a body to dwell in so we
could understand who God was in earthly terms.

That flesh that Jehovah was manifested in was called the Son of God. JEHOVAH BECAME A MAN
and we must recognize that man as the new beginning of a NEW CREATION. That is why we must
be born again the same way God manifested himself in his body called Jesus the Christ. He is still
manifesting himself inside of us today, until all come to the understanding and maturity of the Plan
of God.

In Isa. 12, Jehovah reveals his plan to his people of that day and also for today. He let's us know that
he will become our salvation. How will he do that? It's a mystery or a secret that has been hidden to
those who have heart idols that have to be removed in order for Jehovah to reveal it to his servants.
I had many heart idols that kept me from receiving revelation from God and probably I have a few
more Jehovah needs to deal with in the future. But here it is in Isa. 12:2-4,

2 "Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid ; For
the LORD GOD is my strength and song, And He has become my
salvation."
3 Therefore you will joyously draw water From the springs of
salvation.
4 And in that day you will say, " Give thanks to the LORD, call on
His name. Make known His deeds among the peoples ; Make them
remember that His name is exalted."

In other words, Jehovah is my Jesus, and he has become my Jesus (salvation), therefore I will
draw water (Holy Ghost) from the springs of Jesus (salvation). In that day we will know who our
God is and will begin to call upon his name and make them remember that his name (Jesus) will
be exalted.

What name was being exalted in that day? Jesus! Paul said, whatever you do, in word or deed, do
all in the name of Jesus. Jesus said, Father I have made your name known in John 17:6. What
name did he manifest? Jesus! Not only was the man named Jesus, but also the Spirit (Father).

All of the disciples used that name when they cast out devils, or when they baptized, or when they
prayed for people to be healed. The Spirit (Father) gave Jesus (the man) a name that was above
every name, that @ the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus
the Christ is Lord!!! Why? Because that was the Father's (Spirit) name. Why do you think the disciples
baptized in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38, Acts 8:16, Acts 10:48, Acts 19:5, and Acts 22:16), when
Jesus plainly told them in Matthew 28:19 to baptize in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son,
and in the name of the Holy Ghost, but the disciples bluntly disobeyed his command in the book of Acts,
or did they?

No... they got the idols in their heart that were taught by the priests out of their way, and God revealed
to them who he was.

Jehovah manifested in the flesh!!!

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

You are mistaken--- Gods word clearly teaches God was in heaven while Jesus was on earth. Jesus prayed to God in heaven while he was on earth. Jesus clearly taught--God was in heaven while he was on earth.
So either Gods word and Jesus is wrong--or your twisting of scripture is wrong.

michaelvpardo · Apr 28, 2014

kjw47 said:
John 17:6--clearly Jesus used his Fathers name--and further on Jesus promises to keep making his Fathers name known. That name is YHWH(Jehovah) -- 100% fact--Jesus was taught YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God in the synagogues his first 30 years. Because YHWH(Jehovah) is Jesus' God as well-John 20:17, rev 3:12

Wrong again. You should throw that contaminated version of the scripture out and get yourself a decent translation. I suggest that you try looking at a literal (word for word) translation to get an idea of how nonsensical the green dragon is. I would like to thank you for demonstrating how obtuse the thinking of a JW can be to anyone with a decent reference library.

kjw47 · Apr 29, 2014

Michael V Pardo said:
Wrong again. You should throw that contaminated version of the scripture out and get yourself a decent translation. I suggest that you try looking at a literal (word for word) translation to get an idea of how nonsensical the green dragon is. I would like to thank you for demonstrating how obtuse the thinking of a JW can be to anyone with a decent reference library.

The NWT=== The only translators who loved God enough to put his personal name back where God inspired it to be because he wants it there.--Why did the rest--lack the love?

If your bible doesn't say what my post said---you need to run away from them. What I said in that post is in every translation on the face of this earth. unaltered truth.

michaelvpardo · May 4, 2014

kjw47 said:
The NWT=== The only translators who loved God enough to put his personal name back where God inspired it to be because he wants it there.--Why did the rest--lack the love?

If your bible doesn't say what my post said---you need to run away from them. What I said in that post is in every translation on the face of this earth. unaltered truth.

Yahavah is not God's personal name, but rather is His covenant name with Israel. You don't know Him or the scripture, but you may know Him today, if you hear His voice, call out upon the name of the Lord, submit to Jesus and trust that His blood is sufficient payment for all your sin. He is the only way to the Father and if you don't have Him, you certainly don't have the Father. Throw down your pride and cast all your works of righteousness aside and trust in the the Lord our Righteousness, the Holy One of Israel, King of kings and Lord of lords, the only begotten Son of God, even our Savior Jesus Christ, blessed forever. Amen.

kjw47 · May 6, 2014

Michael V Pardo said:
Yahavah is not God's personal name, but rather is His covenant name with Israel. You don't know Him or the scripture, but you may know Him today, if you hear His voice, call out upon the name of the Lord, submit to Jesus and trust that His blood is sufficient payment for all your sin. He is the only way to the Father and if you don't have Him, you certainly don't have the Father. Throw down your pride and cast all your works of righteousness aside and trust in the the Lord our Righteousness, the Holy One of Israel, King of kings and Lord of lords, the only begotten Son of God, even our Savior Jesus Christ, blessed forever. Amen.

Jesus blood only covers repented sin--acts 3:19

Yes one must go through( not to) Jesus to get to the Father= the only true God Jesus taught. But first one must enter through the narrow gate to get to the door Jesus to go through him to ones final destination--Jesus' God and Father.

michaelvpardo · May 7, 2014

kjw47 said:
Jesus blood only covers repented sin--acts 3:19

Yes one must go through( not to) Jesus to get to the Father= the only true God Jesus taught. But first one must enter through the narrow gate to get to the door Jesus to go through him to ones final destination--Jesus' God and Father.

"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. John 6:37

No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18

"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. John3:13

According to these passages, every time someone saw God in the Old Testament scripture, they were seeing Jesus Christ.

"For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:22-23

The Jews knew what Jesus was saying of Himself, or they wouldn't have tried to kill Him.

Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?''
Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.''
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:57-59

If you are His then listen to Him:

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. "I and My Father are one.'' John 10:27-30

Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; for You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and have made us kings and priests to our God; and we shall reign on the earth.'' Revelation 5:8-10

`I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. `You shall have no other gods before Me. `You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. Deuteronomy 5:6-10

So, are the elders in heaven confused about Jesus' identity when they worship Him? Or, do you think that they just ignore God's law?

Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!'' And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: "Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever!'' Then the four living creatures said, "Amen!'' And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever. Revelation 5:11-14

Every creature in heaven and on earth, under the earth and in the sea will worship Jesus and recognize Him as worthy of what God shares with no other, namely His glory, but somehow you don't. There's no prize for stubbornness, even the donkey knows its master's crib. Why should you stand condemned? Give Jesus the honor He is due and declare His Lordship to the nations!

kjw47 · May 8, 2014

Michael V Pardo said:
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. John 6:37

No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18

"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. John3:13

According to these passages, every time someone saw God in the Old Testament scripture, they were seeing Jesus Christ.

"For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:22-23

The Jews knew what Jesus was saying of Himself, or they wouldn't have tried to kill Him.

Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?''
Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.''
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:57-59

If you are His then listen to Him:

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. "I and My Father are one.'' John 10:27-30

Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; for You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and have made us kings and priests to our God; and we shall reign on the earth.'' Revelation 5:8-10

`I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. `You shall have no other gods before Me. `You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. Deuteronomy 5:6-10

So, are the elders in heaven confused about Jesus' identity when they worship Him? Or, do you think that they just ignore God's law?

Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!'' And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: "Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever!'' Then the four living creatures said, "Amen!'' And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever. Revelation 5:11-14

Every creature in heaven and on earth, under the earth and in the sea will worship Jesus and recognize Him as worthy of what God shares with no other, namely His glory, but somehow you don't. There's no prize for stubbornness, even the donkey knows its master's crib. Why should you stand condemned? Give Jesus the honor He is due and declare His Lordship to the nations!

No they will not worship Jesus-- I have explained this 10 times---the greek word Proskenau--4 meanings from greek to English--1) worship to God-2) obeisance to a king-plus 2 others.
The Messiah is Gods appointed king( Daniel 7:13-15) so that word for our king is obeisance, not worship--trinity error to fit Catholicism council false teachings-- the end result--Jesus will be subject like us when he hands back the kingdom to his God and Father--1 Corinthians 15:24-28) ---Jesus has a God just like us--John 20:17, rev 3:12

michaelvpardo · May 9, 2014

kjw47 said:
No they will not worship Jesus-- I have explained this 10 times---the greek word Proskenau--4 meanings from greek to English--1) worship to God-2) obeisance to a king-plus 2 others.
The Messiah is Gods appointed king( Daniel 7:13-15) so that word for our king is obeisance, not worship--trinity error to fit Catholicism council false teachings-- the end result--Jesus will be subject like us when he hands back the kingdom to his God and Father--1 Corinthians 15:24-28) ---Jesus has a God just like us--John 20:17, rev 3:12

No one is hearing your explanations, because you're dead wrong. You couldn't possibly know what you're talking about: You're without His Spirit, dead in transgression and sin, carnal in thinking, nothing more than a deceived man in the natural state, but you can know life, by submitting to His Spirit and embracing the truth of His Word: Yahavah was His covenant name, the name the self existent and eternal nameless One gave Himself in covenant with Israel. Jesus (or Joshua in the Hebrew) is the name that He gave Himself when He entered into His own creation and tabernacled in flesh. He is worthy of all Honor and praise and Glory (this is what worship is, that is giving all honor praise and glory). You should visit a church of born again saints to observe what real worship is, but with His Spirit present in all abundance, you'll either get saved and receive Him, or reject Him and be found worthy of an eternity of torment. If you continue to grasp at straws, you'll only burn with them.

kjw47 · May 9, 2014

Michael V Pardo said:
No one is hearing your explanations, because you're dead wrong. You couldn't possibly know what you're talking about: You're without His Spirit, dead in transgression and sin, carnal in thinking, nothing more than a deceived man in the natural state, but you can know life, by submitting to His Spirit and embracing the truth of His Word: Yahavah was His covenant name, the name the self existent and eternal nameless One gave Himself in covenant with Israel. Jesus (or Joshua in the Hebrew) is the name that He gave Himself when He entered into His own creation and tabernacled in flesh. He is worthy of all Honor and praise and Glory (this is what worship is, that is giving all honor praise and glory). You should visit a church of born again saints to observe what real worship is, but with His Spirit present in all abundance, you'll either get saved and receive Him, or reject Him and be found worthy of an eternity of torment. If you continue to grasp at straws, you'll only burn with them.

Everything I just showed I showed Gods inspired word to back it up, yet you say I am wrong.

logabe · May 10, 2014

kjw47 said:
You are mistaken--- Gods word clearly teaches God was in heaven while Jesus was on earth. Jesus prayed to God in heaven while he was on earth. Jesus clearly taught--God was in heaven while he was on earth.
So either Gods word and Jesus is wrong--or your twisting of scripture is wrong.

Col. 2:9 says,

9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Col. 1:15-17 says,

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on
earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers
or authorities -all things have been created through Him and for
Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

John 1:1 says,

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.

Jesus was with God in the beginning, but he wasn't in the form of man. God is Spirit and Jesus was
the Word of the Spirit. Paul said, by Jesus all things were created. How? I thought God created all
things. To understand Paul's statement we must realize Jesus was God's (Spirit, Father's) WORDS.
Jesus came from the center of the Spirit and spoke the creation into existence... and God (Spirit)
said, LET THERE BE LIGHT : and there was light.

In other words, God spoke everything into existence, and that WORD came from the HEART of the
Spirit. Thus, that same WORD became flesh (John 1:14) and dwelt among us.

So we must ask ourselves... if that Word that spoke everything into existence could possibly be the
words of the Father and can we separate the Father from His Words?

I and my Father are ONE.

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

This Vale Of Tears · May 10, 2014

Trying to argue with a JW is like sweeping a dirt floor. The problem as I see it is making the Bible the highest authority when it comes to determining Christian doctrine. From the beginning, the Bible has never served this role, the Church has which is why Jesus invested his authority in his apostles to "teach the nations". The things you're debating with a JW are issues that were settled in the Christian church in the 3rd century, where the heresies and gnostic beliefs were refuted for all time. The Church leaders didn't say "This is what we believe the Bible says.." which would open the door for alternative interpretations, they said, "This is what the Church says" and expressed this through what we call today the Apostles' and the Nicene Creeds. Once doctrinal issues were settled by the authority of the Catholic Church, Christians rallied around it and heretics were ejected from their midst.

When the Bible is made the sole rule of faith, it becomes an recipe for anarchy, for one cannot assert their interpretation of scripture to be more valid than another's when they can draw upon no higher authority than the scripture they're interpreting, just like those who disagree with them do. It makes the Bible fit a role it was never designed for, because the Bible never has and never will be an instrument of authority. It's the word of God in written form, assembled into a canon approved by the Church councils in Rome and Hippo, a strong indication that the authority was not the Bible but the Church that decided what the Bible was and wasn't. Never before the Bible was made official and never afterward until Martin Luther's heresy was ever entertained the concept that the Bible is the sole arbiter of faith and doctrine.

It's an important concept to understand to lay context on these interminable debates with Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, or any other school of belief that strays sharply from Christian orthodoxy. I recently had two JW's show up at my door and my response to them was pithy. The issue of the Trinity is settled and there is no higher authority on the dogmas of Christian belief than the Catholic Church. They left to find somebody else to dupe.

shturt678 · May 10, 2014

kjw47 said:
Everything I just showed I showed Gods inspired word to back it up, yet you say I am wrong.

Click to expand...

You really do care and are a likeable person thus a word of encouragement without sarcasm or condescending.

Premise #1: All Bible translations are pretty much evenly split regarding the English structure of thoughts that support Jesus = God or Jesus = / = God.

An Interlinear, Lexicon, basic simple 1st Semester on-line Greek, and etc. really narrows down from the general to the specific deductively of course resulting Jesus = God - an excellent starting point for you is Jn.1:1c grammatically, letting "contextually and aspectually" go for the time being.

Just a very old man trying to help.

kjw47 · May 10, 2014

shturt678 said:
You really do care and are a likeable person thus a word of encouragement without sarcasm or condescending.

Premise #1: All Bible translations are pretty much evenly split regarding the English structure of thoughts that support Jesus = God or Jesus = / = God.

An Interlinear, Lexicon, basic simple 1st Semester on-line Greek, and etc. really narrows down from the general to the specific deductively of course resulting Jesus = God - an excellent starting point for you is Jn.1:1c grammatically, letting "contextually and aspectually" go for the time being.

Just a very old man trying to help.

An a belongs at John 1:1-- one of many trinity errors found within their translating--- In the beginning was the word and the word was with HO THEOS-- and the word was Theos--not HO THEOS)--- it was not calling the word THE GOD---a god( small g is correct)
Jesus teaches he has a God--John 20:17, rev 3:12)--- teaching a trinity is calling Jesus a liar--Paul taught only the Father is God-1 cor 8:6--because its truth.
I do appreciate your concern, but the only translation in harmony with Jesus' truths is the NWT.

This Vale Of Tears said:
Trying to argue with a JW is like sweeping a dirt floor. The problem as I see it is making the Bible the highest authority when it comes to determining Christian doctrine. From the beginning, the Bible has never served this role, the Church has which is why Jesus invested his authority in his apostles to "teach the nations". The things you're debating with a JW are issues that were settled in the Christian church in the 3rd century, where the heresies and gnostic beliefs were refuted for all time. The Church leaders didn't say "This is what we believe the Bible says.." which would open the door for alternative interpretations, they said, "This is what the Church says" and expressed this through what we call today the Apostles' and the Nicene Creeds. Once doctrinal issues were settled by the authority of the Catholic Church, Christians rallied around it and heretics were ejected from their midst.

When the Bible is made the sole rule of faith, it becomes an recipe for anarchy, for one cannot assert their interpretation of scripture to be more valid than another's when they can draw upon no higher authority than the scripture they're interpreting, just like those who disagree with them do. It makes the Bible fit a role it was never designed for, because the Bible never has and never will be an instrument of authority. It's the word of God in written form, assembled into a canon approved by the Church councils in Rome and Hippo, a strong indication that the authority was not the Bible but the Church that decided what the Bible was and wasn't. Never before the Bible was made official and never afterward until Martin Luther's heresy was ever entertained the concept that the Bible is the sole arbiter of faith and doctrine.

It's an important concept to understand to lay context on these interminable debates with Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, or any other school of belief that strays sharply from Christian orthodoxy. I recently had two JW's show up at my door and my response to them was pithy. The issue of the Trinity is settled and there is no higher authority on the dogmas of Christian belief than the Catholic Church. They left to find somebody else to dupe.

Catholicism = the foretold great apostasy. I studied for years all different religions claiming to be Christian--I learned Jesus' truths and applied them--the only place on earth to learn them is at a kingdom hall.
The teaching of a trinity calls Jesus a liar--who clearly taught-( John 17:1-6-the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--verse 6= YHWH(Jehovah)--- Paul teaches the same-1 cor 8:6)
We all must choose who we believe.
trinity translations are filled with errors to mislead.

What is the narrow gate?

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