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Is it possible to cry out to the Lord for mercy, receive healing, but not be saved? In Luke 17:12-19, ten men cry out for mercy, they all get healed (restored), but only one "gets saved". What is this salvation that Jesus speaks of?
 

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Luke 17
11 Now it happened as He went to Jerusalem that He passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee. 12 Then as He entered a certain village, there met Him ten men who were lepers, who stood afar off. 13 And they lifted up their voices and said, “Jesus, Master, have mercy on us!”
14 So when He saw them, He said to them, “Go, show yourselves to the priests.” And so it was that as they went, they were cleansed.
15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, returned, and with a loud voice glorified God, 16 and fell down on his face at His feet, giving Him thanks. And he was a Samaritan.
17 So Jesus answered and said, “Were there not ten cleansed? But where are the nine? 18 Were there not any found who returned to give glory to God except this foreigner?” 19 And He said to him, “Arise, go your way. Your faith has made you well.”

This is a great story which reflects Christ's mercy and amazing grace toward all men. Here we have 10 lepers crying out to Jesus to have mercy on them. He gave them some simple directions which bought about their healing as they went. Their action [obedience to Christ's directives] initiated the faith level needed to be healed. The one that returned to glorify God with thanksgiving and praise, was a Samaritan. Samaritans are not part of the tribes of Israel however this is significant as it gives the impression that the other nine who were healed, were Israelites. The Samaritans actions were enough for Jesus to say:

“Arise, go your way. Your faith has made you well.”

This story is very much like an analogy of salvation being made available to all men, not just the Hebrew nation. Jesus was not yet glorified so the promised Holy Spirit [which is the guarantee of our redemption] had not yet come John 7:39 however, the bible says;

Luke 11
9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread[ from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

Added: Another revealed treasure to this story is just as interesting...today if we get healed in a divine way, we will go to our doctor for confirmation of that healing. Under the law however, a person is confirmed to be a leper by a Jewish priest. Lepers are then required to live separately from normal society due to the infectiousness of this disease. It is the priest who decides whether a person is considered a leper or not after examination. Jesus sending the 10 lepers to the priests, points to the fact that faith in Jesus had and is about to supersede...[through his death and resurrection under a new covenant].. the law and it's requirements...

Blessings!!!
 

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Jesus was asked "How do I inherit eternal Life"? Jesus answers the question with a story, a story of a good Samaritan (today we would call him a Muslim). This story in Luke 10 points to a truth many christians refuse to hear. In chapter 9 Jesus is rejected by the Samaritans, and in John 4 He tells a Samaritan that her worship is corrupt. Samaritans shared ancestry with the Jews, claiming Abraham as their father (just as the Muslims do today). Notice in this parable that its not the people who proformed the right kind of worship, or those who knew the right NAME, or was part of the right religion. But it was a Samaritan who had the right heart, a heart of compassion who will inherit eternal life.
It did not matter of what race, or religion this man was...God looks only at the heart, NOT the label or group we are part of.
 

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And they will! When they see him face to face, though they may be in unbelief now, when they see his hands (like Thomas) they will say, "my Lord and my God." (Phil 2:9-11)
 

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The Samaritans are a notably to be a small tribe who can trace their ancestery to the remnants of Ephraim and Manasseh mixed with non-Israelite colonists transported by the Assyrians after the defeat of Israel in 721 B.C.E. and deportation of the Ten Tribes. They mostly live in the town of Nablus (Shechem) on the steps of Mt. Gerisim, in Israel.

The Samaritans claim to have a tradition that has not changed for over 3,000 years.
The Samaritan religious beliefs are composed of the following:

1. The Lord is the one and only God and there is none beside him.

2. The only prophet is Moses and no other prophet was or will be beside him. Including Muhammad the prophet of Islam.

3. The only Holy Book is the "Torah" consisting of the Five Books of Moses and the Book of Joshua, not the Qur'an [which was supposedly revealed by God to the prophet Muhammad]

4. The belief that the only Holy place in the world is Mt. Gerizim the Blessed Mountain, not Jerusalem - the Holy place of the Jews and presently, the Muslims who worship at the "Dome of the Rock."

5. The Day of Judgement of the Lord will be according to the laws of the Torah, then every man will be judged and punished for his sins.

In relation to the day of judgment, the book of Islam states that;

"all people will be rewarded by God according to their beliefs and deeds. Those who die while believing that “There is no true god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger (Prophet) of God” and are Muslim will be rewarded on that day and will be admitted to Paradise forever, as God has said:

And those who believe and do good deeds, they are dwellers of Paradise, they dwell therein forever. (Quran, 2:82)

But those who die while not believing that “There is no true god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger (Prophet) of God” or are not Muslim will lose Paradise forever and will be sent to Hellfire, as God has said:

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter. (Quran, 3:85)

And as He has said:

Those who have disbelieved and died in disbelief, the earth full of gold would not be accepted from any of them if it were offered as a ransom. They will have a painful punishment, and they will have no helpers. (Quran, 3:91)

Muslim and the Islamic belief and the Samaritans and their beliefs are not the same, nor are they the same race, culture or people.

And they will! When they see him face to face, though they may be in unbelief now, when they see his hands (like Thomas) they will say, "my Lord and my God." (Phil 2:9-11)
...it also goes on to say "Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:29 ...and that is what faith is all about - believing without seeing the evidence.
 

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Yes, MORE blessed are we who believe without seeing. As Jesus also said, "More blessed are those who do the Fathers will then the woman who nursed him" and "those least in the kingdom are greater than the greatest of all prophets, John" Yes, we who have faith, and believe in Christ are blessed (blessed are those who take part in the first resurrection), but some, like Thomas, will always doubt UNTIL they see Him in the flesh, putting their fingers in His side. Did Thomas' belief not count because he didn't believe until...? It was the same with Paul, he did not believe UNTIL he saw and met Jesus face to face. Does his faith not count? Many will need to see Christ to believe, we are blessed because we believe without seeing. It is never "too late" to believe.
 

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lukethreesix said:
Is it possible to cry out to the Lord for mercy, receive healing, but not be saved? In Luke 17:12-19, ten men cry out for mercy, they all get healed (restored), but only one "gets saved". What is this salvation that Jesus speaks of?
The entire text of the scripture reference is available in post #2 above.

There is nothing in the passage that speaks of being saved. No allegory, no metaphor and no tangential suggestions are mentioned alluded to or implied. It is entirely about the healing power of Christ by means of faith.

There is also a reference to gratitude, which seems to be more rare than faith. <--- Don't miss this important point !!!

Issues and convoluted interpretations arise when conclusions are taken out of context. In this instance there are none with regard to spiritual salvation.

The reader should also note that Jewish law forbade lepers from approaching close to anybody. This is why the lepers were crying out to Jesus. They had to do so in order to be heard over the distance.

Read the passage again. At no time did Jesus speak a word of healing. Instead He instructed the lepers to show themselves to the priests. According to Jewish law one cannot be allowed back into normal society unless one is pronounced clean by a priest. As the men walked they were healed, but only one had enough gratitude in his heart to turn back and thank the Son of God for his miracle.

The reader may consult any commentary he wishes and will not find any interpretations either direct or indirect to suggest the necessity and the process of being saved in this passage alone. If such is required I recommend the reader review the night visit of Nicodemus to Christ. The subject of that passage is entirely about the second birth and it's necessity for salvation.

Can one can be healed of God and not saved?

Q:What is the purpose of divine healing?
A:Miracles and healing have always been employed to gain the attention of people so that they may focus upon the Word of God, hear it and be saved.

The Word is of paramount importance, not the healing not the miracles and not raising the dead. The most important thing is get the word out "you must be saved in the name of Jesus".

Lastly it should be understood that healing and salvation are gifts of God. It is the Lord of Hosts who decides when, if, how and to whom such gifts are to be dispensed. Jesus said that it is better to be saved than to be healed. It is better to have peace with God than peace with one's own flesh.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

lukethreesix said:
Jesus was asked "How do I inherit eternal Life"? Jesus answers the question with a story, a story of a good Samaritan (today we would call him a Muslim). This story in Luke 10 points to a truth many christians refuse to hear. In chapter 9 Jesus is rejected by the Samaritans, and in John 4 He tells a Samaritan that her worship is corrupt. Samaritans shared ancestry with the Jews, claiming Abraham as their father (just as the Muslims do today). Notice in this parable that its not the people who proformed the right kind of worship, or those who knew the right NAME, or was part of the right religion. But it was a Samaritan who had the right heart, a heart of compassion who will inherit eternal life.
It did not matter of what race, or religion this man was...God looks only at the heart, NOT the label or group we are part of.
The allusion between Samaritan and Muslim is not exactly accurate. Samaritans were kin to the Hebrew tribes of Ephraim, Manasseh and Levi. Theirs was a semitic religion similar to Judaism. There were points at which the two ideologies differed, however, and these differences led to much tension between the Samaritans and the Jews. The tensions were geographic, cultural, religious and racial.

Therefore if any modern parallel is drawn, the story might tell of a white man lying in the ditch all beaten up and of a black man who rescues him. Title the story 'The Good N*****" and you'll get a taste in your mouth very similar to what the gospel intends to convey. Mercy is better than judgment.

But good deeds will not save you(*), only faith in Christ Jesus.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

(*)Good deeds won't save because you never know when you've done enough.
Christians are saved FOR good works, not BY them.
 

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The Rotherham's Emphasized reads verse 19 as: "...thy faith hath saved thee."
Why did he use "saved" instead of "made whole"(KJV). Because he was consistant with his translation. Throughout the rest of the NT the Greek word for "saved" is Sozo. Sozo is the word used for salvation in Christ. Why did the KJV authors translate this differently in this text instead of being true to the original?
Saved is the correct use of the word in this text.

so I will ask again, healed but not saved?
9 Were healed/cleaned, but only one was saved!