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Signs of the End

Matthew 24:6-8
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Luke 21:25-26
[SIZE=10pt]25[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]26[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.[/SIZE]

Jude 1:20-23
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23[SIZE=14pt]And others save with fear, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.[/SIZE]

2 Peter 3:11-13
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


We have the explanation for what is happening and the only hope of escape.


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[SIZE=10pt]2 Peter 3:14[/SIZE]
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
 

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Confederation of 10 Nations



Who are these two beasts? They clearly are important, as they are referred to in the Old Testament (OT), and also in the New Testament (NT), by inference. They undoubtedly are in timing related to the events of the end of the Gentile period, and the saving of Israel by Almighty God in Christ Jesus Messiah!

Chapter 13:1 of the Bible describes them as “rising up out of the sea”. The word “sea” in Scripture usually denotes many peoples, unless specific to usually the Mediterranean, which is often referred to as “the Great Sea”.

Most if not all the events of Scripture have as the geographical focus what has become known in the past as Palestine, which is at the eastern end of the “Great Sea”. As the history of the area progressed over time, and especially during the Roman Empire period, the Countries around the Mediterranean became important to Prophecy, because of the Roman occupation, and the prophecy in Danial 2:33, which refers to the “latter days”v28, and the events of that time! The particularly important point is verse 42, which refers to “the toes of the feet”, which in later comment is shown to be 10 individual Nations, which had their original Nationhood formed or enhanced during the times of power of the Roman Empire.

To avoid repeating previous writing , the following are extracts from www.revelationsmessage.co.uk and are from Chapter 13. This first extract is the “first beast”, and as will be seen refers to political power; whereas the “second Beast” refers to religious power and its effect in the world.



CHAPTER 13

V.1

And (a)he stood on the sand of the sea, and I saw a (b)wild beast coming up out of the sea, having (c)ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads (d)names of blasphemy.

V.2

And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet as the feet of a bear its mouth as a lion's mouth, and the (e)dragon gave it this power, also its throne, and great authority.

(a) "He;" this is translated in AV as "I." However, as this verse in the original undivided text follows V.17 of Chapter 12, the reference is almost certainly to Satan. (Chapters and verses have only been inserted into the Bible in recent times.) Therefore Satan oversees as he stands on the edge of the sea the rising of the beast. Sea is often used in Scripture as a metaphor for peoples / nations, so here "he," watched the rising of a particular grouping of peoples, or personage, or both! Satan oversees this birth, whereas Almighty God oversaw the birth of Christ from Israel (12:1-5.)

( B) "Wild beast;" this is the first reference in Scripture to such since Daniel (B.C. 495.) In his day, the nation of Israel was in exile in Babylon from his youth for 70 years, and he was a man (Prophet) much loved by God (Dan. 9:23,) (Dan. 10:19.) Daniel was given the ability to interpret dreams, in the Power and Permit of Almighty God, to which he always paid homage and witness to His power; and did so on a number of occasions in his early captivity. One of those dreams much troubled Nebuchadnezzar (Dan. 2) and concerned the image of a man. Daniel, after witnessing to the source of the dream (Dan. 2:28) gave its meaning (Dan. 2:29-45.) The man's image represented 4 kingdoms.

1) The head of gold represented Babylonian empire, symbol LION B.C. 626 -539.

2) The chest and arms of silver, Medo - Persia, BEAR B.C. 539 - 330.

3) Belly and thighs of bronze, Greek empire, LEOPARD B.C. 330 - 63.

4) Legs of iron, Roman Empire, Eagle? (Terrifying beast) B.C. 63 - to: (A.D. 70 as regards Israel!)



* Note: The feet are discussed in verse 8 notes.



The important principle in the above for the purpose of the Almighty, and the record made by the Holy Spirit in the Bible, is not the kingdoms as such, but the fact that they impinge on ISRAEL when the history of Israel is current (defined as "Ammi") as opposed to the history of mankind generally. Such is the present success of Satan, that mankind is blinded to the importance of the Divine Clock regarding Israel. Israel is special to God, and are called such on many occasions in Scripture, because God chose Abraham, because He knew his heart, and that he would be prepared to stand against the Satanic idolatry around him, Abraham responded in faith, and all the promises of God in the Old Testament relate to Abraham, and subsequently Israel. Because of this fact, only events affecting Israel in human history, and the purposes of God are the subject of prophecy and record in the Bible. For example; in item 4) above, the Roman Empire ceased to be important in the Divine Plan at A.D. 70, BECAUSE ISRAEL HAD BECOME "LO-AMMI," (NOT MY PEOPLE) (HOSEA 1:9,) and that was as a consequence of the rejection of Christ as their Messiah!

At some stage in the future, Jewish history as defined above will re-commence. There is however only a short time left in the Divine prophetic time scale, as laid out to Daniel in Dan. 9:27; which gives only 7 more years of that prophecy to run. In between Dan. 9:26 and V.27, already approximately 1,930 years have elapsed. These however are not Jewish years of 360 days, but a mixture of Julian and Gregorian, which allows for lost and or gained time counting. In short it is probably not possible to know the exact Jewish year which we are now in, although some claim to know (i.e. on the 1/10/00, the Jewish new year of 5,761 begins according to Jewish "Rabbinical wisdom.") Even if it was known, it is irrelevant, as only God the Father knows the time when the Jewish nation will become "AMMI" (MY PEOPLE,) again, (Hos. 2:23,) (Zech. 13:9,) (Rom. 9:26,) (1Peter 2:10.) In Dan. 9:27 the statement of "a covenant," gives the probable clue as to commencement of the final 7 years of the prophecy, as that "covenant," will be for peace for Israel. When they think they have "peace and safety;" Satan in the guise of the beast in V.2 will strike (Ezk. 38:14,) (1Thess. 5:3,) for the last time against Israel, (prior to the Millennial Reign); "in the midst of the week," i.e. half way through the 7 year period described above. However, turning now to the beast described in V.1 and V.2; put into its context in chapter 13 of Revelation, and bearing in mind the above, a few comments can be made with some certainty.



1) The symbols of empires, Leopard, Lion, Bear, are repeated from earlier empires, affecting Israel as a nation. I.e. there have been other empires in that area since, but Israel was not a Nation in their land, under Jehovah; when their, prophetic progress is current!

2) Since 1948 Israel has officially been recognised as a nation (by the then League of Nations, now the U.N.) That was the first time since A.D. 70, and the Jews kept their unique identity wherever they were scattered, although very few know their tribe of origin, but their Jehovah God does!

3) The fact that they are now a Nation in the eyes of the world, probably augers the re-commencement of their Divine History, i.e. the last 7 years of Dan. 9, in the near future.

4) The identities of the Leopard, Lion and Bear are known from Dan. 2, and this last "beast" is certainly in the prophetic geographical area, and in characteristics shows an amalgam of these and probably the Roman empire. These empires covered and overlapped each other, and in the crossroads to Asia, Africa and Europe in what was known as Palestine, and Israel is central. The yet future empire (beast) described in this chapter has Israel at its focal point, and is further described in Dan. 2:41-44.

5) The specific nations involved are probably given in Ezk. 32, 38, and Psm 83, all of which fit the above criterion, and are in the "prophetic area," i.e. the known world of Old Testament prophecy, and directly affecting the chosen people, Israel.

6) The animal symbols given probably show characteristics of this beast, again referring to Daniel 2:29-45. The "Leopard;" speed, Alexander's empire from Macedonia to the Indus river, was conquered and formed in 8 years! The "Bear;" Medo-Persia, present day Persia (Iran,) Iraq, Caucuses peoples, and half of Turkey. These are probably the "feet," of the beast, they bear the weight. The "Lion;" the Babylonian empire, with the ancient city of Babylon at the centre, is present day Iraq, of recent infamous history. This is the probable head/ mouth of the beast.

- To summarise; this beast will form very quickly, "Leopard." It will also consist of part of ancient Greece, now Turkey, (the area of the 7 churches. "Ekkiesia".)

- Its extent will be roughly the area of the Medo-Persia empire, "Bear."

- Its head/ mouth will be Babylon - "Lion."



(c) "Ten horns and seven heads;" these are well described in Dan. 7:7-8, and Dan. 7:19-28. This end time empire Confederation (beast) will probably be of the nations described above. The horns are ten kings (Dan. 7:24,) three will be replaced by one who is more powerful (V.20.) They are located in 7 countries (or areas) of the above mix.

(d) “Names of blasphemy;" this fact underlines him whose power reigns in this empire; Satan. His throne (power base) will be in Pergamum (i.e. in present day Turkey,) and his whole effort will be to attempt to annihilate Israel with all the power available to him. The "names of blasphemy," will show in part in his attempt to persuade the people of Israel and the world that he is God, and he will show much power and wonders to that end, his is the unforgivable sin (Matt. 12:31) and those that follow him appear to suffer the same fate. See note 14:1(c.)

(e) Satanic beyond all previous, with Satan's power and authority beyond description. As we know from Rev. 12:12 Satan knows his time is short, and he will condense the evil and terror.



What follows is the extract from www.revelationsmessage concerning the “second Beast”, and as mentioned refers to the religious development.



V.11

And I saw (a)another (b)beast coming up out of the earth; and he had (c)two horns like a lamb, and he was (d)speaking as a dragon.

(a) "Another;" the Greek word (allos,) means "another of the same kind," (Comp. App. 124-1.)

( B) "Beast;" (i.e. "wild beast," but distinguished from that of V.1.)

(c) The fact of similarity to a "lamb," shows inescapable similarity to the "Lamb of God," and is intended as such. The two horns speak of testimony (App. 10) or difference. When two testimonies agree, it is conclusive. Horns in Scripture always speak of kingships, or power (relative to earth.) So here two horns agree, (testimony,) conveyed by "a lamb," (spiritual or religious figure.)

(d) "Speaking as a dragon;" in Scripture, only Satan. So, after the first beast (political,) arises and is established, this second "beast," (religious) arises which is empowered by Satan, and whose task is to bring about worship from the people (V.15,) and therefore remove worship and allegiance from the"One True God," Jehovah Zebaoth! This beast is then probably the false prophet of Chp. 16:13, 19:20, 20:10.

V.12

And he exercised all the (a)power of the first beast before him, and caused the earth and them

that dwell therein to (b)worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.



(a) Here the 2nd "beast," shows itself to be similar to the first (V.11,) with the same power, but with a different emphasis.

( B) The emphasis is "worship!" The politics of the first beast brought about the attention and focus of the peoples, which is now to be turned further into "worship," (vicariously of Satan) which as stated previously is the motive force and objective of Satan from earlier ages.



V.13

And he doeth (a)great wonders including making (a)fire descend from heaven onto the earth in the sight of men,



V.14

And (b)deceived them dwelling on the earth by means of those wonders, which it was given him to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an (c)image to the beast, which had the wound of a sword, and did live.

(a) "Great wonders;" nothing impresses mankind more than demonstrations of power, especially when they lean to the mystery and charisma that only Satan can generate (i.e. towards darkness.) When Elijah contended with the priests of Baal, (1Kings 18,) bringing fire down from heaven in the contest, defeating the Baal priests, slaying them and winning the day for, and by Jehovah, he was not a popular man (1Kings 19.) When our Lord did the required miracles (signs) (Isa 29:18,) (Isa. 35:5-6,) (Matt. 11:4-5,) (Rom. 15:8,) they were derided by the Pharisees and priesthood, and rejected by them. Here this beast (false prophet,) (2 Thess. 2:9,) (Rev. 16:13) does "great wonders," and is accepted, instantly.

( B) Deceit is Satan's main method (Rev. 20:3,) (Rev. 20:8,) and with humans it started in the Garden of Eden with Eve.

(c) "Image;" Almighty God expressly forbade Israel to make any image for worship (Lev. 26:1,) in that command, God states that He is their God (Jehovah.) In John's Gospel (4:23-24,) the mind of the Father is revealed, requiring only "worship in spirit and in truth." Stating clearly that He is "Spirit," and requiring only sincere from the heart worship, as opposed to ritual and ceremony. The Enemy therefore, through the second beast requires the opposite, i.e. image, ritual and ceremony, (reminiscent of the Roman Church,) so as to maximise idolatry and worship of Satan.



These brief extracts from Chapter 13 of www.revelationsmessage.co.uk should be studied with care against a good copy of the Holy Bible, (one such being the KJV Companion Bible) to become familiar with the Prophecies, and to form one’s own opinions on them! It is particularly important now, due to the many events taking place in the Mediterranean area!



It is thought that the events of the “Arab Spring,” which started in early 2011 could be the formation of the first “Beast” of Rev. 13. However, as those “Beasts” are certainly a function of “Jacob’s Trouble;” (The Great Tribulation,) the more likely interpretation is that they are the “beginning of sorrows” Matt. 24:8.



Taking Israel as the focal point (i.e. proximity,) Matt. 24:6 and Luke 21:9, probably gives relevance to what is happening now in the Arab Nations surrounding them.



Isa. 66 describes in detail the deliverance of Israel in the yet future (current date 2012,) and describes it as “birth,” 66:9. If the events of the “Arab Spring” are the beginning of the birth-pangs, then they are unstoppable, and the “birth” will happen, soon!
 

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Hi Floyd,

Floyd said:
1) The head of gold represented Babylonian empire, symbol LION B.C. 626 -539.

2) The chest and arms of silver, Medo - Persia, BEAR B.C. 539 - 330.

3) Belly and thighs of bronze, Greek empire, LEOPARD B.C. 330 - 63.

4) Legs of iron, Roman Empire, Eagle? (Terrifying beast) B.C. 63 - to: (A.D. 70 as regards Israel!)

Two Points regarding your Revelation 13 "interpretation":


1. For your to arrive to Daniel's Chapter 7, you must first transcend Chapter 2, which defines FIVE world empires:

Danl 2:45
the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE


2. I would propose that the Rev. 13 MOUTH = LION -- U.K./U.S.; BODY = LEOPARD (actually a Tiger) -- China; FEET = BEAR -- Russia; have geopolitical associations. As such, these are found in the FIFTH "divided" empire of CLAY three-superpower representations. Please find and/or explain these.



With Best Regards,
DD
 

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Floyd said:
Who are these two beasts? They clearly are important, as they are referred to in the Old Testament (OT), and also in the New Testament (NT), by inference. They undoubtedly are in timing related to the events of the end of the Gentile period, and the saving of Israel by Almighty God in Christ Jesus Messiah!

Chapter 13:1 of the Bible describes them as “rising up out of the sea”. The word “sea” in Scripture usually denotes many peoples, unless specific to usually the Mediterranean, which is often referred to as “the Great Sea”.

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. Sea is often used in Scripture as a metaphor for peoples / nations, so here "he," watched the rising of a particular grouping of peoples, or personage, or both! Satan oversees this birth, whereas Almighty God oversaw the birth of Christ from Israel (12:1-5.)
Not trying to single you out but many times I see people claim "sea" denotes people

However , after 27 years I have never seen it used that way anywhere in the bible

Got a verse or example for me ?

Thank you
 

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You either do or don't accept that metaphors come and go in quick succession in Scripture.
Your question refers to you wanting a dictionary of when!
However, when looking at Dan.7:2-3; "the Great Sea" is without doubt the Med. and the "beasts" obviously countries or peoples in that area.
All prophecy can be easier understood when accepting that it relates to the "Prophetic area" which is that of Palestine and environs!
The ref. in Rev.13:1 is clearly in the same concept; hence the assumption!
Floyd.
 

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Floyd said:
All prophecy can be easier understood when accepting that it relates to the "Prophetic area" which is that of Palestine and environs!

Hi Floyd,

I presume, per your assertion, that when GOD placed man on earth, that HE did not intend that the Near East, Far East, Australia, the America's, and the nether regions of the world be populated. But if so, that they remain outside of HIS purview. And when Jesus returns the same applies.

So now that here is no "heaven" or "hell" for us, can we forget this "religious" nonsense?


With Best Regards,
DD




To All,

Why would GOD provide ALL the prophetic depictions for mankind at the end of this age, and so many refute it? Does Dan. 2 not depict FIVE world empires, for which the FIFTH is "divided" -- presumably between THREE-SUPERPOWERS? And are not these three further detailed in Dan. 7, Dan. 8, Dan. 11, and Rev. 13 & 17?

But who would validate, versus who would close their eyes?


1 Cor. 14:29
Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.



With Best Regards,
DD
 

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DD: your sarcasm is your own problem, which will not help you to better understanding!
All prophecy (most) relates to Israel!!
That's why the "prophetic area" is so important!
Of course; the Gentiles and their lands are also by implication important; otherwise the many references to them would not be in scripture!
But; Israel (who at present are "Lo-Ammi") is the prime focus of all prophecy, and the "first born son" of Almighty God!
You seem not to want serious comment, and seem to be intent on disruptive responses!!!???
Floyd.
 

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Floyd said:
All prophecy (most) relates to Israel!!
Hi Floyd,

NONE of the prophecies in the Book of Daniel relate to Israel, except the 9th Chapter, -- where Daniel MUST quote Jeremiah so that he can prophecy to his own kinsmen. ALL the other Chapters are written to the NATIONS.


And of course, Revelation is written to the Church, which exists during the era of the NATIONS, -- not Israel.



If you believe otherwise, then my previous statements still apply.

With Best Regards,
DD



PS Some world events include Israel, and are cited in the context of world history, such as the 1986 attack on the Neve Shalom, which is cited both in the Psalms, and in Daniel 11.
 

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No; Revelation refers to Israel, with consequences for the Gentiles!
You clearly are of the "replacement theology" thinking and conviction.
Floyd.
 

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Floyd said:
You clearly are of the "replacement theology" thinking and conviction.

You clearly have no clue as to what Scripture provides and what I espouse.

Take for example where Newton readily discounted the "Classical" interpretation. He then attempted his own solution BUT FAILED. The difference between the commentators and Newton is that they publish their lies, but Newton REFUSED TO PUBLISH. Thus he deserves his "SIR", but they simply deserve "liar". I.e., per Montgomery:


[SIZE=12pt]The history of the exegesis of the 70 Weeks is the Dismal Swamp of O. T. criticism. The difficulties that beset any "rationalistic" treatment of the figures are great enough, but the critics on this side of the fence do not agree among themselves; but the trackless wilderness of assumptions and theories and efforts to obtain an exact chronology fitting into the the history of Salvation, after these 2,000 years of infinitely varied interpretations, would seem to preclude any use of the 70 Weeks for the determination of a definite prophetic chronology. ... " [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 217[/SIZE]


With Best Regards,
DD
 

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Floyd said:
You either do or don't accept that metaphors come and go in quick succession in Scripture.
Your question refers to you wanting a dictionary of when!
However, when looking at Dan.7:2-3; "the Great Sea" is without doubt the Med. and the "beasts" obviously countries or peoples in that area.
All prophecy can be easier understood when accepting that it relates to the "Prophetic area" which is that of Palestine and environs!
The ref. in Rev.13:1 is clearly in the same concept; hence the assumption!
Floyd.
Here is my point .... the word "sea" is found over 300 times in the bible and it never once refers to a group of people or a nation ..... at least I have never been able to find it used that way

Yet prophecy buffs and even some authors are always quick to claim "sea" is referring to a nation or group of people.

All I do is ask where they get that notion , and I have yet to receive a reply.

I agree the "great sea" of Daniel 7:2 is likely the Mediterranean Sea ..... but it sounds like the four beasts of Daniel 7:3 actually come up out of the sea itself... (not come floating on it in ships or whatever)

Revelation 13:1 also says (the beast) will "rise up out of the sea" .... so to me it sounds like it comes from the depths of the sea .... not from some nation or group of people.

Also , by comparison Revelation 13:11 talks about another beast who "comes out of the earth" ..... thus it makes me think it is the actual sea and actual earth ... not some nation.

Once again I ask .... if anyone can point out to me where "sea" means "nation" in the bible ... I would like to see it

I have looked many times and have not found it.

Thank you
 

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You must stay with what you think, if the alternatives are painful mentally!
Floyd.
 

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Floyd said:
You must stay with what you think, if the alternatives are painful mentally!
Floyd.
I am in no pain

however all your links and info dumps from your own website site are becoming a pain ... it borders on being spam.

What happened .... couldn't get any readership over there so you bring it all over here ?

back to my original question .... you claim "sea" refers to peoples and nations ..... how did you come up with that supposed "metaphor" ??
 

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Floyd said:
You work it out!
Floyd!
Arnie Manitoba said:
I have and you are wrong
Hi Arnie,

I hope you don't mind me interjecting in this conversation where Christians are able to present and defend their beliefs. :wacko:


Would it make a difference if the context were considered? If so, then I would be glad to ascribe each of the aspects pertaining to the Daniel 7 beasts, and the Revelation 13 beast, so that you might at least have some confidence as to the events, whether from a "sea" or "earth" as a literal or figurative context.


With Best Regards,
DD
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
Not trying to single you out but many times I see people claim "sea" denotes people

However , after 27 years I have never seen it used that way anywhere in the bible

Got a verse or example for me ?

Thank you
I tend to agree with you on this point. The interpretation of 'sea' is not indicative of nations.

Out of place verses are often quoted even by satan. Bible verses don't lie, but liars can quote Bible verses.

A verse or two do not imply the watery interpretation is correct. The Bible is self-interpreting and does not corrupt the consistency of it's own theme. Suppositions that are exclusive of this consistency usually use one or two verses to justify their erroneous premise.

The sea in this instance is just the sea. Any other interpretation is all wet.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...