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The antichristwill come to power in the strongest nation and divide Israel before the end time wars start.

Daniel 11:39-43a
[SIZE=12pt]39 Thus shall he((666)) do in the most strong holds(((Western Powers))) with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land(((Israel))) for gain.

(((white horse)))
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south(((Egypt))) push at him: and the king of the north(((Syria))) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He(((666))) shall enter also into the glorious land(((Israel))), and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.(((Jordan)))
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43a But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt:
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Hi John 8:32,

John 8:32 said:
... they are not Israel, ...

The original KoN was the
If you would please allow, -- first of all we have to understand that GOD only speaks to the abstract historical nuances which very few are priy to. It's all too complex for a simple tax collector, fisherman, shepherd, or carpenter to comprehend. Thus the common man cannot receive anything from Scripture that hasn't been vetted by the Religious "EXPERTS".

So unless we go thru them, we are all in darkness, never able to receive the Gospel, never able to understand prophecy, and never able to place these along side history.


Perhaps the commoner should admit defeat and perish.



DD





To All,

I would propose that GOD reaches into the hearts and minds of the sincere individual, whatever the "education". Thus when HE calls the Nation of Israel, it is plain for every man to see, -- except those whose hearts and minds are blinded by whatever darkness.


With Best Regards,
DD





Hi Eric,

Eric E Stahl said:
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I would most strongly suggest that the kings are not with respect to Israel. Please start this Chapter in it's proper context, sequence, and promise.


With Best Regards,
DD
 

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DaDad said:
Hi Eric,

Interesting verses, but we've seen and heard these before, and theyr'e not very specific. So let me ask specifically, what does Scripture provide about whether Russia will invade Ukraine?

-- Please note this is NOT a nonsensical question, but has a tangible Scriptural perspective. --



With Best Regards,
DD
Bear in mind a rule or two for interpreting history in light of Biblical predictions.

Israel is the center, the purpose and the core of all Biblical prophecy. It was to Israel that Jesus came the first time and to Israel He has promised to return.

To that end Biblical prophecy indicates certain regional alliances will be formed against Israel in the last days. Not all nations will be participants even though all will eventually be affected by the events that transpire there. One of the major factors of those days will be finance. There are several passages that emphasize economics as a causative factor in the rise of the Kingdom of the AntiChrist. Those economic factors will focus on the Levant.

The Ukraine issue today brings into focus what some media pundit has called the Money Wars of the twenty first century. What is actually in play is a contest between two opposing financial systems - west vs. east. If we are indeed in the last days and if indeed the Levant is to be the focus of antiChrist economics, then the eastern system must prevail. The western system must decline. That is, in fact, exactly what we are seeing. The Ukraine incident is but one symptom or battle in the Money War.

The western system, backed by the petro-dollar and a combination of US & UK banking cartels has declined into its present form of debt based economics. Debt is viewed by the west as a product to be bought and sold. Therefore debt both national and private is encouraged and traded heavily. The destructive long term repercussions of such policy has generally been ignored by western leadership despite the evidence and opinion of its own economic experts. In the west, fools rule.

The eastern system, composed primarily of the BRIC nations of Brazil, Russia, India and China are commodity based. These nations actually produce something. Natural resources, manufacturing and trading are all directed by nations who are direct or indirect enemies of the west, which once was the leader in commodities itself. At the very least the eastern nations are serious competitors and already benefit greatly from an imbalance in trade exchange.

Israel, oddly enough, has its own form of economic strength. Today the nation of Israel is a major arms dealer. They derive much of their own wealth from the same trade in weapons as did King Solomon. The wisdom of producing and/or trading in the engines of war seems never to go out of style.

In the summer of 2013, Russia won a war with the west without a shot being fired. They did it by means of economic pressure and the mere threat of military intervention. Today the former western combatants of Britain and France are silent on the Syrian issue. America is left to fuss and fume about humanitarian issues. None do anything about it. The war, it seems, is over. Only the GCC and Turkey/Israel continue to aggravate the Syrian issue. Not unsurprisingly, the third pillar of Islam, charity, seems to be missing from the contest.

The financial power of the west is dwindling. Evidence of this is clear and the eastern financial powers, like sharks, smell blood in the water. The Ukrainian issue began and will end as an economic issue and there is little the west can or will do about it. Russia wants the agricultural and industrial strength of the Ukraine back in it's sphere of influence and for the most part it has already succeeded.

It is necessary for western financial power to wane if indeed we are in the end times. The enemies of Israel must grow strong enough to vex their temptation to attack the tiny nation and destroy it once and for all. Eastern powers must feel no restraint from the west.

We see examples of this trend in the loss of wisdom among the leaders of the west. Stupidity has become a virtue in the halls of leadership. Even the most uneducated citizen can see it. The phrase "what are they thinking" has risen to a national chorus. It should be remembered that our leaders are men. Men, even powerful men, are fallible. Today in the west they act or fail to act in spite of expert advice.

It is time to pray for mercy not wisdom, for those leaders we have prayed to receive wisdom have used it to betray us.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

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Israel is the center, the purpose and the core of all Biblical prophecy.
Daniel was call to prophecy to the NATIONS. The ONLY way he was able to speak to his kinsmen was through JEREMIAH in Daniel's 9th Chapter. ALL other Chapters pertain to the NATIONS.


To presume otherwise is unwise.

With Best Regards,
DD
 

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Israel - Prophecy - The Last Days




Who are these two beasts? They clearly are important, as they are referred to in the Old Testament (OT), and also in the New Testament (NT), by inference. They undoubtedly are in timing related to the events of the end of the Gentile period, and the saving of Israel by Almighty God in Christ Jesus Messiah!

Chapter 13:1 of the Bible describes them as “rising up out of the sea”. The word “sea” in Scripture usually denotes many peoples, unless specific to usually the Mediterranean, which is often referred to as “the Great Sea”.

Most if not all the events of Scripture have as the geographical focus what has become known in the past as Palestine, which is at the eastern end of the “Great Sea”. As the history of the area progressed over time, and especially during the Roman Empire period, the Countries around the Mediterranean became important to Prophecy, because of the Roman occupation, and the prophecy in Danial 2:33, which refers to the “latter days”v28, and the events of that time! The particularly important point is verse 42, which refers to “the toes of the feet”, which in later comment is shown to be 10 individual Nations, which had their original Nationhood formed or enhanced during the times of power of the Roman Empire.

To avoid repeating previous writing , the following are extracts from www.revelationsmessage.co.uk and are from Chapter 13. This first extract is the “first beast”, and as will be seen refers to political power; whereas the “second Beast” refers to religious power and its effect in the world.



CHAPTER 13

V.1

And (a)he stood on the sand of the sea, and I saw a (b)wild beast coming up out of the sea, having (c)ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads (d)names of blasphemy.



V.2

And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet as the feet of a bear its mouth as a lion’s mouth, and the (e)dragon gave it this power, also its throne, and great authority.



(a) "He;" this is translated in AV as "I." However, as this verse in the original undivided text follows V.17 of Chapter 12, the reference is almost certainly to Satan. (Chapters and verses have only been inserted into the Bible in recent times.) Therefore Satan oversees as he stands on the edge of the sea the rising of the beast. Sea is often used in Scripture as a metaphor for peoples / nations, so here "he," watched the rising of a particular grouping of peoples, or personage, or both! Satan oversees this birth, whereas Almighty God oversaw the birth of Christ from Israel (12:1-5.)

( B) "Wild beast;" this is the first reference in Scripture to such since Daniel (B.C. 495.) In his day, the nation of Israel was in exile in Babylon from his youth for 70 years, and he was a man (Prophet) much loved by God (Dan. 9:23,) (Dan. 10:19.) Daniel was given the ability to interpret dreams, in the Power and Permit of Almighty God, to which he always paid homage and witness to His power; and did so on a number of occasions in his early captivity. One of those dreams much troubled Nebuchadnezzar (Dan. 2) and concerned the image of a man. Daniel, after witnessing to the source of the dream (Dan. 2:28) gave its meaning (Dan. 2:29-45.) The man's image represented 4 kingdoms.

1) The head of gold represented Babylonian empire, symbol LION B.C. 626 -539.

2) The chest and arms of silver, Medo - Persia, BEAR B.C. 539 - 330.

3) Belly and thighs of bronze, Greek empire, LEOPARD B.C. 330 - 63.

4) Legs of iron, Roman Empire, Eagle? (Terrifying beast) B.C. 63 - to: (A.D. 70 as regards Israel!)



* Note: The feet are discussed in verse 8 notes.



The important principle in the above for the purpose of the Almighty, and the record made by the Holy Spirit in the Bible, is not the kingdoms as such, but the fact that they impinge on ISRAEL when the history of Israel is current (defined as "Ammi") as opposed to the history of mankind generally. Such is the present success of Satan, that mankind is blinded to the importance of the Divine Clock regarding Israel. Israel is special to God, and are called such on many occasions in Scripture, because God chose Abraham, because He knew his heart, and that he would be prepared to stand against the Satanic idolatry around him, Abraham responded in faith, and all the promises of God in the Old Testament relate to Abraham, and subsequently Israel. Because of this fact, only events affecting Israel in human history, and the purposes of God are the subject of prophecy and record in the Bible. For example; in item 4) above, the Roman Empire ceased to be important in the Divine Plan at A.D. 70, BECAUSE ISRAEL HAD BECOME "LO-AMMI," (NOT MY PEOPLE) (HOSEA 1:9,) and that was as a consequence of the rejection of Christ as their Messiah!

At some stage in the future, Jewish history as defined above will re-commence. There is however only a short time left in the Divine prophetic time scale, as laid out to Daniel in Dan. 9:27; which gives only 7 more years of that prophecy to run. In between Dan. 9:26 and V.27, already approximately 1,930 years have elapsed. These however are not Jewish years of 360 days, but a mixture of Julian and Gregorian, which allows for lost and or gained time counting. In short it is probably not possible to know the exact Jewish year which we are now in, although some claim to know (i.e. on the 1/10/00, the Jewish new year of 5,761 begins according to Jewish "Rabbinical wisdom.") Even if it was known, it is irrelevant, as only God the Father knows the time when the Jewish nation will become "AMMI" (MY PEOPLE,) again, (Hos. 2:23,) (Zech. 13:9,) (Rom. 9:26,) (1Peter 2:10.) In Dan. 9:27 the statement of "a covenant," gives the probable clue as to commencement of the final 7 years of the prophecy, as that "covenant," will be for peace for Israel. When they think they have "peace and safety;" Satan in the guise of the beast in V.2 will strike (Ezk. 38:14,) (1Thess. 5:3,) for the last time against Israel, (prior to the Millennial Reign); "in the midst of the week," i.e. half way through the 7 year period described above. However, turning now to the beast described in V.1 and V.2; put into its context in chapter 13 of Revelation, and bearing in mind the above, a few comments can be made with some certainty.



1) The symbols of empires, Leopard, Lion, Bear, are repeated from earlier empires, affecting Israel as a nation. I.e. there have been other empires in that area since, but Israel was not a Nation in their land, under Jehovah; when their, prophetic progress is current!

2) Since 1948 Israel has officially been recognised as a nation (by the then League of Nations, now the U.N.) That was the first time since A.D. 70, and the Jews kept their unique identity wherever they were scattered, although very few know their tribe of origin, but their Jehovah God does!

3) The fact that they are now a Nation in the eyes of the world, probably augers the re-commencement of their Divine History, i.e. the last 7 years of Dan. 9, in the near future.

4) The identities of the Leopard, Lion and Bear are known from Dan. 2, and this last "beast" is certainly in the prophetic geographical area, and in characteristics shows an amalgam of these and probably the Roman empire. These empires covered and overlapped each other, and in the crossroads to Asia, Africa and Europe in what was known as Palestine, and Israel is central. The yet future empire (beast) described in this chapter has Israel at its focal point, and is further described in Dan. 2:41-44.

5) The specific nations involved are probably given in Ezk. 32, 38, and Psm 83, all of which fit the above criterion, and are in the "prophetic area," i.e. the known world of Old Testament prophecy, and directly affecting the chosen people, Israel.

6) The animal symbols given probably show characteristics of this beast, again referring to Daniel 2:29-45. The "Leopard;" speed, Alexander's empire from Macedonia to the Indus river, was conquered and formed in 8 years! The "Bear;" Medo-Persia, present day Persia (Iran,) Iraq, Caucuses peoples, and half of Turkey. These are probably the "feet," of the beast, they bear the weight. The "Lion;" the Babylonian empire, with the ancient city of Babylon at the centre, is present day Iraq, of recent infamous history. This is the probable head/ mouth of the beast.

- To summarise; this beast will form very quickly, "Leopard." It will also consist of part of ancient Greece, now Turkey, (the area of the 7 churches. "Ekkiesia".)

- Its extent will be roughly the area of the Medo-Persia empire, "Bear."

- Its head/ mouth will be Babylon - "Lion."



(c) "Ten horns and seven heads;" these are well described in Dan. 7:7-8, and Dan. 7:19-28. This end time empire Confederation (beast) will probably be of the nations described above. The horns are ten kings (Dan. 7:24,) three will be replaced by one who is more powerful (V.20.) They are located in 7 countries (or areas) of the above mix.

(d) “Names of blasphemy;" this fact underlines him whose power reigns in this empire; Satan. His throne (power base) will be in Pergamum (i.e. in present day Turkey,) and his whole effort will be to attempt to annihilate Israel with all the power available to him. The "names of blasphemy," will show in part in his attempt to persuade the people of Israel and the world that he is God, and he will show much power and wonders to that end, his is the unforgivable sin (Matt. 12:31) and those that follow him appear to suffer the same fate. See note14:1(c.)

(e) Satanic beyond all previous, with Satan's power and authority beyond description. As we know from Rev. 12:12 Satan knows his time is short, and he will condense the evil and terror.



What follows is the extract from www.revelationsmessage concerning the “second Beast”, and as mentioned refers to the religious development.

V.11

And I saw (a)another (b)east coming up out of the earth; and he had (c)two horns like a lamb, and he was (d)speaking as a dragon.



(a) "Another;" the Greek word (allos,) means "another of the same kind," (Comp. App. 124-1.)

( B) "Beast;" (i.e. "wild beast," but distinguished from that of V.1.)

(c) The fact of similarity to a "lamb," shows inescapable similarity to the "Lamb of God," and is intended as such. The two horns speak of testimony (App. 10) or difference. When two testimonies agree, it is conclusive. Horns in Scripture always speak of kingships, or power (relative to earth.) So here two horns agree, (testimony,) conveyed by "a lamb," (spiritual or religious figure.)

(d) "Speaking as a dragon;" in Scripture, only Satan. So, after the first beast (political,) arises and is established, this second "beast," (religious) arises which is empowered by Satan, and whose task is to bring about worship from the people (V.15,) and therefore remove worship and allegiance from the"One True God," Jehovah Zebaoth! This beast is then probably the false prophet of Chp. 16:13, 19:20, 20:10.

V.12



And he exercised all the (a)power of the first beast before him, and caused the earth and them that dwell therein to (b)worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.



(a) Here the 2nd "beast," shows itself to be similar to the first (V.11,) with the same power, but with a different emphasis.

( B) The emphasis is "worship!" The politics of the first beast brought about the attention and focus of the peoples, which is now to be turned further into "worship," (vicariously of Satan) which as stated previously is the motive force and objective of Satan from earlier ages.



V.13

And he doeth (a)great wonders including making (a)fire descend from heaven onto the earth in the sight of men,

V.14

And (b)deceived them dwelling on the earth by means of those wonders, which it was given him to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an (c)image to the beast, which had the wound of a sword, and did live.

(a) "Great wonders;" nothing impresses mankind more than demonstrations of power, especially when they lean to the mystery and charisma that only Satan can generate (i.e. towards darkness.) When Elijah contended with the priests of Baal, (1Kings 18,) bringing fire down from heaven in the contest, defeating the Baal priests, slaying them and winning the day for, and by Jehovah, he was not a popular man (1Kings 19.) When our Lord did the required miracles (signs) (Isa 29:18,) (Isa. 35:5-6,) (Matt. 11:4-5,) (Rom. 15:8,) they were derided by the Pharisees and priesthood, and rejected by them. Here this beast (false prophet,) (2 Thess. 2:9,) (Rev. 16:13) does "great wonders," and is accepted, instantly.

( B) Deceit is Satan's main method (Rev. 20:3,) (Rev. 20:8,) and with humans it started in the Garden of Eden with Eve.

(c) "Image;" Almighty God expressly forbade Israel to make any image for worship (Lev. 26:1,) in that command, God states that He is their God (Jehovah.) In John's Gospel (4:23-24,) the mind of the Father is revealed, requiring only "worship in spirit and in truth." Stating clearly that He is "Spirit," and requiring only sincere from the heart worship, as opposed to ritual and ceremony. The Enemy therefore, through the second beast requires the opposite, i.e. image, ritual and ceremony, (reminiscent of the Roman Church,) so as to maximise idolatry and worship of Satan.



These brief extracts from Chapter 13 of www.revelationsmessage.co.uk should be studied with care against a good copy of the Holy Bible, (one such being the KJV Companion Bible) to become familiar with the Prophecies, and to form one’s own opinions on them! It is particularly important now, due to the many events taking place in the Mediterranean area!



It is thought that the events of the “Arab Spring,” which started in early 2011 could be the formation of the first “Beast” of Rev. 13. However, as those “Beasts” are certainly a function of “Jacob’s Trouble;” (The Great Tribulation,) the more likely interpretation is that they are the “beginning of sorrows” Matt. 24:8.



Taking Israel as the focal point (i.e. proximity,) Matt. 24:6 and Luke 21:9, probably gives relevance to what is happening now in the Arab Nations surrounding them.



Isa. 66 describes in detail the deliverance of Israel in the yet future (current date 2014,) and describes it as “birth,” 66:9. If the events of the “Arab Spring” are the beginning of the birth-pangs, then they are unstoppable, and the “birth” will happen, soon!
 

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Floyd said:
4) The identities of the Leopard, Lion and Bear are known from Dan. 2,
Hi Floyd,

Daniel 2:45 says: "the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold" = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE

Daniel 7 says: Lion/Eagle; Bear; Leopard (actually a Tiger); and "dreadful" = FOUR



Please confirm with your first grade teacher before proclaiming that FIVE = FOUR.

With Best Regards,
DD
 

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Floyd said:
DD: as said, we await with bated breath you "secret" knowledge!?
Floyd.

Dear Floyd,

Please allow that you have ascribed to me that which is from GOD:

Daniel 2:45
"the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold" = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE


Have you considered asking the Holy Spirit to reveal the hidden things to you?

Jeremiah 33:3
3 Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things which you have not known.



With Best Regards,
DD
 

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DD: thanks again for your comments, (and the suggestion). Like all true Christians, I live asking the HS for help and enlightenment; admittedly, one can be occasionly cavalier.
The info you have provided, will not be wasted; I shall seek the Lord's sanction or otherwise on your ideas.
I have long been intrigued by the 200,000,000, army (apparently) in Rev.
If that number is correct; only India or China have the populations to supply, unless an amalgum is arranged.
Floyd.
 

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Floyd said:
I have long been intrigued by the 200,000,000, army (apparently) in Rev.
Hi Floyd,

Please be aware that Scripture is not always as we believe. Specifically, there will not be 200M men under arms, because it takes 10 infrastructure for 1 under arms. As such, please anticipate an army of 20M, -- still an astounding number. And these won't be from India, but certainly Chinese, probably in conjunction with N. Korea, (I.e., "kings of the east")

With Best Regards,
DD
 

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DaDad said:
Hi Eric,

I agree that Ezekiel 38 & 39 are critical factors:

Ezekiel 38:11
10 “‘ ... On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.


Of course while Christians wait for this fulfillment, we know there were two candidates, but now we have THREE:
  1. An occupancy of Syria, -- who's army is insufficient to stand on it's own, and has to rely on the Lebonese Hezbollah --, whereby Russia gains a strategetic foothold in the Middle East.
  2. An intrusion by Iran (an ally of Russia) into Iraq, -- whose army is insufficient to defend it's internal affairs, much less external.
  3. Ukraine, -- who either has not mobilized it's defenses, or simply has no defense.

If one recalls the Daniel Chapter 7 bear with three ribs, we can recall that Russia committed three (and ONLY three) violations of international law/agreements:

Hungary, 1956 -- (Rib #1)
Coincidentally, at that same time of the Polish uprising, Hungarian students were openly expressing dissatisfaction with their own government, writing a dissident manifesto called “the sixteen points” of October 19, 1956.
Four days later, on Tuesday, October 23, Prime Minister Hegedus was blamed by Moscow for this internal dilemma. By midnight, Imre Nagy had been notified he was the new Prime Minister. Nagy had been through the political machine from positions of power, to imprisonment, and now back to leadership of the country. He had been specifically requested by the students and the demonstrating masses. The Soviets only asked that he antedate a letter requesting the mobilized Soviet military intervention against these demonstrating citizens. Nagy refused to comply, but Soviet, Romanian, and Czechoslovakian troops proceeded with the pre-planned invasion.
On Thursday, November 1st, Nagy summoned the Soviet Ambassador, Uri Andropov, and demanded that the Soviets remove the troops under threat of declaring Hungarian neutrality. On Friday, November 2, Nagy appealed to the U.N. General Assembly for “recognition of Hungarian neutrality by the Great Powers.” When the Security Council meet in a special session, the Russian delegation flatly denied that any Soviet troops had crossed into Hungary.[SIZE=8pt][1][/SIZE]
On Sunday, November 4, the Hungarian radio broadcast this message:

“Attention! Attention! Attention! Attention! Now Imre Nagy, President of the Council of Ministers of the Hungarian People’s Republic, is going to address you!
This is Imre Nagy speaking, the President of the Council of Ministers of the Hungarian People’s Republic. Today at daybreak Soviet Forces started an attack against our capital, obviously with the intention to overthrow the legal Hungarian democratic government.
Our troops are fighting. The Government is in its place. I notify the people of our country and the entire world of this fact.”[SIZE=8pt][2][/SIZE]

A “DAILY MAIL” reporter, Noel Barber, described Budapest as a city where “every street was smashed,” “hardly a stretch of tramcar rails was left intact,” and where “streets (were) littered with burnt-out cars” and “the carcasses of at least forty Soviet tanks.” “At the corner of Stalin Avenue...two monster Russian T-54 tanks lumbered past, dragging bodies behind them, a warning to all Hungarians of what happened to the fighters,” and told of hung bodies “though not so many as I expected.”[SIZE=8pt][3][/SIZE]
Within a few days 25,000 Hungarian fighters were dead and the Soviet fait accompli was pending one final item of closure. Nagy was kidnapped to Romania until June of 1958, whereupon he was tried, convicted, executed, and finally, a few days later, -- sentenced.[SIZE=8pt][4][/SIZE]
This November 1956 illegal invasion of Hungary by 200,000 troops and 2,000 tanks under Soviet command, was undertaken to put down a populist movement. This violation of Hungarian national sovereignty constituted the first of three ribs in this bear’s mouth.



[SIZE=8pt][1][/SIZE] David Pryce-Jones, The Hungarian Revolution, Horizon Press, NY, 1970, p 98
[SIZE=8pt][2][/SIZE] IBID, p. 119
[SIZE=8pt][3][/SIZE] Pryce-Jones, p 81


[SIZE=8pt][4][/SIZE] IBID, p. 115




BERLIN, 1958 Historical Perspective
During the closing months of World War II, Churchill, Stalin, and Roosevelt met in a series of conferences to negotiate any and all pertinent partitioning, restitution, and expectations of the post World War II Europe. The January 1945 conference, called the Yalta or Crimea Conference, was one of the last of a series. One of the agreements projected the division of post WWII Germany. It was agreed the Soviets would get the eastern half (41,825 square miles), and the Allies the western half (96,011 square miles). The city of Berlin, located in the heart of East Germany, would be divided into four segments. The eastern half for the Soviets, and the western half divided between the French, the United States, and the British into respective northwest, west-central, and southwest sectors.[SIZE=8pt][1][/SIZE] In a final detail, all the citizens of Berlin were guaranteed unrestricted circulation.
Historical Event
In a provocative move, on June 15, 1958, the Soviets closed the Helmstedt-Berlin access road for ‘repairs.’ On June 22, the Soviets stopped all electrical supplies for ‘technical’ reasons and closed all remaining access roads into Berlin. The West’s response was to create an airlift lifeline. Finally, eleven months later, in May of 1959, the Soviets, under international political embarrassment, lifted the blockade.
THE BERLIN WALL, 1961 -- (Rib #2)
Over the years between 1945 and 1961, over three million East Germans, many of them the valuable ‘technical intelligentsia,’ escaped through the West Berlin ‘funnel.’ On Sunday, August 13th, 1961, 50,000 armed soldiers were called without fore-notice into East Berlin under the pretext of preventing the West Berliners passage into East Berlin. “At the same time the death-strip filled with land mines, which winds its way through Germany, was reinforced, as well as the borders of Poland and Czechoslovakia, including the Baltic Sea. The Four-Power agreement which guaranteed free circulation within Berlin was again violated, in the severest way.”[SIZE=8pt][2][/SIZE]
This construction of the Berlin wall was a clear violation of the Four-Power agreement at Yalta. This event proved to be the second illegal act by this Soviet bear, -- first Hungary and then Berlin.
CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968 -- (Rib #3)
Under circumstances which led to the Hungarian populist uprising, Czechoslovakians were exhibiting open dissension with the forced “alliance” in the Soviet sphere. In response, on August 20, 1986, twenty-four Warsaw Pact divisions, (sixteen Soviet, three Polish, two East German, two Hungarian, and one Bulgarian, -- a total of 200,000 men plus air support and airlift units), invaded Czechoslovakia. Within hours, at one-thirty a.m., Radio Prague broadcast the following proclamation under the authority of President Alexander Dubchek:

“Yesterday, August 20, 1968, at about eleven p.m., the armies of the Soviet Union, the Polish People’s Republic, and the Bulgarian People’s Republic crossed the state borders of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic. This took place without the knowledge of the President of the Republic, the Presidium of the National Assembly, the Presidium of the Government, and the First Secretary of the Communist Party Central Committee. The Presidium of the Central Committee was then in session, preoccupied with preparations for the Extraordinary Fourteenth Party Congress. The Presidium calls upon all citizens of the Republic to keep the peace and not resist the advancing armies, because the defense of our state borders is now impossible.
For this reason, our Army, the security forces and the People’s Militia were not given the order to defend the country. The Presidium considers this action (the invasion) to be contrary to the fundamental principles of relations between Socialist states and a denial of basic norms of international law...
...(signed) Presidium of the Central Committee of the Communist Party”[SIZE=8pt][3][/SIZE]

Approximately 24 hours later, the following statement by the eleven government cabinet members was broadcast on “Free Radio,” which is the radio channel used for official government broadcasts:

“1. We stand firmly behind all the legally elected constitutional and political authorities, and we firmly support today’s proclamation of the Presidium addressed to all people.
2. We consider the occupation of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, which took place without the agreement and knowledge of the Czechoslovak government, an illegal act, contrary to international law and the principles of socialist internationalism.”[SIZE=8pt][4][/SIZE]

Clearly, this action constituted the ‘third rib.’ fulfilling the prophetic description precisely. Other military actions which have involved Soviet participation, (Cuba, Poland, Angola, Somalia, Mozambique, Rhodesia, Uganda, Ethiopia, Nicaragua, Grenada, Afghanistan, and others), were done under the auspices of being legally invited into the involvement, however contrived, providing at least technical compliance with international norms.



[SIZE=8pt][1][/SIZE] William Touhy, “Thorny Status of Occupied Berlin Brings Unrest to New Generation,” L.A. Times, Albuquerque Jorunal, Jan. 26, 1986, p. B5


[SIZE=8pt][2][/SIZE] Rainer Hildebrandt, It Happened At The Wall, Verlag Haus Am Checkpoint Charlie, Berlin, Germany, 1981, p. 113


[SIZE=8pt][3][/SIZE] Tad Szulc, Czechslovakia Since WW II, Viking Press, NY, 1971, p. 380


[SIZE=8pt][4][/SIZE] Szulc, pp. 379, 396






After this bear gnawed on those three ribs for decades they were finally freed in 1989 with the collapse of the Soviet Union, so that this bear can "arise and devour much flesh", -- having it's mouth free of those ribs.

Dan 7:5
5 And behold, another beast, a second one, like a bear. It was raised up on one side; it had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth; and it was told, ‘Arise, devour much flesh.’



And of course, when Russia (or surrogate) attacks an unwalled entitiy, the western powers respond accordingly:


Ezekiel 38:13
Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all its villages will say to you, ‘Have you come to seize spoil? Have you assembled your hosts to carry off plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to seize great spoil?’

Daniel 11:40
“At the time of the end the king of the south shall attack[i] him; but the king of the north shall rush upon him like a whirlwind, with chariots and horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall come into countries and shall overflow and pass through. 41 He shall come into the glorious land. And tens of thousands shall fall, but these shall be delivered out of his hand: Edom and Moab and the main part of the Ammonites. 42 He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 He shall become ruler of the treasures of gold and of silver, and all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall follow in his train. 44 But tidings from the east and the north shall alarm him, and he shall go forth with great fury to exterminate and utterly destroy many.


So we'll see in the next few weeks whether NATO/western allies engage in this Ukranian crisis.


With Best Regards,
DD
I don't think we will fight the Russian alliance till after Israel is divided.


Daniel 11:39-40
39Thus shall he(((666))) do in the most strong holds(((USA and NATO))) with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
 

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I don't think we will fight the Russian alliance till after Israel is divided.


Daniel 11:39-40
39Thus shall he(((666))) do in the most strong holds(((USA and NATO))) with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Hi Eric,

Daniel 11
36 “And the king shall do according to his will; he shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods. He shall prosper till the indignation is accomplished; for what is determined shall be done. 37 He shall give no heed to the gods of his fathers, or to the one beloved by women; he shall not give heed to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 He shall honor the god of fortresses instead of these; a god whom his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. 39 He shall deal with the strongest fortresses by the help of a foreign god; those who acknowledge him he shall magnify with honor. He shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a price.

I would most strongly suggest that if you cite the 11th Chapter of Daniel, that you start at the beginning and when you get to today, then stop. And having done that, then you might speculate about tomorrow. But as it is, I would propose that you are without any context, and offer mere speculation. *

* These comments are provided to suggest that what is ascribed to the a/c was actually fulfilled by Saddam Hussein. Also, please be aware that the confusion regarding the three citations: "the daughter of the king of the south", "shall give him the daughter of women", and "to the one beloved by women", -- are not a literal reference to the female gender. These have a State Department inference.



With Best Regards,
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Hi Eric,

Daniel 11
36 “And the king shall do according to his will; he shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods. He shall prosper till the indignation is accomplished; for what is determined shall be done. 37 He shall give no heed to the gods of his fathers, or to the one beloved by women; he shall not give heed to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 He shall honor the god of fortresses instead of these; a god whom his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. 39 He shall deal with the strongest fortresses by the help of a foreign god; those who acknowledge him he shall magnify with honor. He shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a price.

I would most strongly suggest that if you cite the 11th Chapter of Daniel, that you start at the beginning and when you get to today, then stop. And having done that, then you might speculate about tomorrow. But as it is, I would propose that you are without any context, and offer mere speculation. *

* These comments are provided to suggest that what is ascribed to the a/c was actually fulfilled by Saddam Hussein. Also, please be aware that the confusion regarding the three citations: "the daughter of the king of the south", "shall give him the daughter of women", and "to the one beloved by women", -- are not a literal reference to the female gender. These have a State Department inference.



With Best Regards,
DD

Verse 35 is a cut off verse. Verse Daniel 11:36-45 is the tribulation period.


Daniel 11:35-40
35And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
 

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Verse 35 is a cut off verse. Verse Daniel 11:36-45 is the tribulation period.
Hi Eric,

Please walk us through starting with Daniel 10:1 (for context), and all of Daniel 11 up to the verse which you assert. Otherwise what you stub you toe on in the dark is mere speculation.


With Best Regards,
DD
 

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Hi Eric,

Please walk us through starting with Daniel 10:1 (for context), and all of Daniel 11 up to the verse which you assert. Otherwise what you stub you toe on in the dark is mere speculation.


With Best Regards,
DD
Please read Daniel 11:35 again. The prophecy is for the end of time from Daniel 11:36 and on. The antichrist will sign a covenant to bring peace to the Middle East by dividing Israel. Revelation 11:1-2 tells us that Israel keeps all of Jerusalem and gets half of the temple mount to rebuild the temple.

Daniel 11:40-43a explains that the local Arab nations will break the treaty and attack. The treaty obligation will cause the antichrist to come to Israel’s defense. The Russians would come also but God turns them back till the Arabs are defeated then puts a hook in Russia's jaw and draws them down to be destroyed by the antichrist and the western powers.




Daniel 11:35-45
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

36 And the king(666) shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he((666)) do in the most strong holds(((Western Powers))) with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land(((Israel))) for gain.

(((white horse)))
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south(((Egypt))) push at him: and the king of the north(((Syria))) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He(((666))) shall enter also into the glorious land(((Israel))), and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.(((Jordan)))
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43a But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt:


(((Red Horse Ezekiel 38:1-12)))

43b
and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east(((Persia))) and out of the north(((Russia and Turkey))) shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain(((Israel))); yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. (((The seat of the beast)))


When the Russian alliance comes against Israel the Western powers will already be there.



Jeremiah 6:22-23
22 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, a people cometh from the north(((Russia))) country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth.
23They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion
 

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DD: interesting comments.
The 200m has always given me taking thought.
When looking at the Hebrew in Commentry, the comments given are not numbers as such, but description, which leaves room for interpretation.
I must say that I have never been convinced that India could be part of the number, because of their fragmented systems, which are apparent to all who visit! The 200m number was the only reason for theorising in that direction.
China however are totally the opposite. When seeing their organised regimentation, plus intelligence, the 20m number becomes very feasible . The recent warming to Russia is a concern, and your suggestion of Alliance with North Korea, would certainly give the push to extreemism, as per the Chairman Mao days.
One thing holding back a return to extremism must be its trade with the West. However, that can disapear very quickly in Politics.
I have been thinking recently that hydrocarbons and minerals may be the trigger to such action as mentioned, as Russia has both/all and Putin would not hesitate to use all and any weapon when needed.
The ref. in Rev.9 to this event, is in the context of invasion/annihilation of Israel. The current events in Crimea and mid-east certainly seem to be the movement of the "chess-pieces" for such an event; especially in the context of Ezek.38.
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DD: interesting comments.
The 200m has always given me taking thought.
When looking at the Hebrew in Commentry, the comments given are not numbers as such, but description, which leaves room for interpretation.
I must say that I have never been convinced that India could be part of the number, because of their fragmented systems, which are apparent to all who visit! The 200m number was the only reason for theorising in that direction.
China however are totally the opposite. When seeing their organised regimentation, plus intelligence, the 20m number becomes very feasible . The recent warming to Russia is a concern, and your suggestion of Alliance with North Korea, would certainly give the push to extreemism, as per the Chairman Mao days.
One thing holding back a return to extremism must be its trade with the West. However, that can disapear very quickly in Politics.
I have been thinking recently that hydrocarbons and minerals may be the trigger to such action as mentioned, as Russia has both/all and Putin would not hesitate to use all and any weapon when needed.
The ref. in Rev.9 to this event, is in the context of invasion/annihilation of Israel. The current events in Crimea and mid-east certainly seem to be the movement of the "chess-pieces" for such an event; especially in the context of Ezek.38.
Regards.
Floyd.
2,000,000,000 man army


Revelation 13-18
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths

Revelation 16:12-16
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


The remnant of the 2,000,000,000 man army won’t come to Israel till Armageddon.
 

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Please read Daniel 11:35 again.
Hi Eric,

Please read my post again:


DaDad said:
Hi Eric,

Please walk us through starting with Daniel 10:1 (for context), and all of Daniel 11 up to the verse which you assert. Otherwise what you stub you toe on in the dark is mere speculation.


With Best Regards,
DD





Eric E Stahl said:
2,000,000,000 man army

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
I believe your zero's do not match the text. Scripture says 200M, of which I would propose is ~20M under arms, and ~180M performing logistical support. In fact this is why some strategists consider a wounded enemy better than a dead enemy, because it takes 7 people to tend to a wounded , but virtually Zero to tend to a dead.



Eric E Stahl said:
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


The remnant of the 2,000,000,000 man army won’t come to Israel till Armageddon.

I believe Scripture provides for TWO battles at Armageddon, the first with Russia, Iran, Sudan, & Lybia, as provided in Ezekiel 38, and Dan. 11:40-44; and a second in which the One-World-Government brings global thermonuclear war.


With Best Regards,
DD
Floyd said:
DD: interesting comments.
The 200m has always given me taking thought.
When looking at the Hebrew in Commentry, the comments given are not numbers as such, but description, which leaves room for interpretation.
I must say that I have never been convinced that India could be part of the number, because of their fragmented systems, which are apparent to all who visit! The 200m number was the only reason for theorising in that direction.
China however are totally the opposite. When seeing their organised regimentation, plus intelligence, the 20m number becomes very feasible . The recent warming to Russia is a concern, and your suggestion of Alliance with North Korea, would certainly give the push to extreemism, as per the Chairman Mao days.
One thing holding back a return to extremism must be its trade with the West. However, that can disapear very quickly in Politics.
I have been thinking recently that hydrocarbons and minerals may be the trigger to such action as mentioned, as Russia has both/all and Putin would not hesitate to use all and any weapon when needed.
The ref. in Rev.9 to this event, is in the context of invasion/annihilation of Israel. The current events in Crimea and mid-east certainly seem to be the movement of the "chess-pieces" for such an event; especially in the context of Ezek.38.
Regards.
Floyd.
Hi Floyd,

One thing that nags at me is WHAT would drive Russia to attack israel per Ezekiel 38:16.. Certainly we should be aware that Russia and Iran have a mutual defense treaty, so if Israel pre-empted the anticipated Malaysia Flight 370 aircraft from carrying an Iranian gun-assemblied weapon over Tel Aviv -- by attacking Iran FIRST, then certainly Russia would be drawn down by "hooks".

Or so speculation might suggest.

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DD
 

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DD: interesting thoughts re Israel and MF370.
However; I have gut feeling that the "hooks in jaw" is not yet imminent.
Floyd.
 

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Floyd said:
DD: interesting thoughts re Israel and MF370.
However; I have gut feeling that the "hooks in jaw" is not yet imminent.
Floyd.

Hi Floyd,

If the One-World-Government were to take center stage in one year, would that make you feel better?


With Best Regards,
DD