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There are many deceivers out there--but we have clues to look for--like this important reality--Daniel 12:4--in these last days truths would become abundant--truths that were hidden from every mortal until these last days--thus--error teachings have been there for centuries--- find the teachers who are making the required changes to error teachings and finding new light, and you will find the one single religion that has the real HS. The rest remain in darkness.




From Floyd:

The actual words in KJV are: Dan.12:4; "knowledge shall increase"!

You are presumably quoting from "The New World bible"; Which is the JWs own translation; which is acknowledged as erroneous by most, if not all true scholars of the ancient Word of God.
 

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Floyd said:
There are many deceivers out there--but we have clues to look for--like this important reality--Daniel 12:4--in these last days truths would become abundant--truths that were hidden from every mortal until these last days--thus--error teachings have been there for centuries--- find the teachers who are making the required changes to error teachings and finding new light, and you will find the one single religion that has the real HS. The rest remain in darkness.




From Floyd:

The actual words in KJV are: Dan.12:4; "knowledge shall increase"!

You are presumably quoting from "The New World bible"; Which is the JWs own translation; which is acknowledged as erroneous by most, if not all true scholars of the ancient Word of God.

The only true scholars are the ones who believe Jesus over mens dogma. And Jesus taught--only his Father is the true God--so no Trinitarian is a scholar--they are far removed by dogmas of men.
 

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The only true scholars are the ones who believe Jesus over mens dogma. And Jesus taught--only his Father is the true God--so no Trinitarian is a scholar--they are far removed by dogmas of men. (JW)

You clearly are not going to avoid your fate after the 1000 year Rule of Christ! Because of your negation of The Christ; you will be judged at the "Great White Throne" of Rev.20:11; after which .............................

Repent while you may!

Floyd.
 

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Floyd said:
The only true scholars are the ones who believe Jesus over mens dogma. And Jesus taught--only his Father is the true God--so no Trinitarian is a scholar--they are far removed by dogmas of men. (JW)

You clearly are not going to avoid your fate after the 1000 year Rule of Christ! Because of your negation of The Christ; you will be judged at the "Great White Throne" of Rev.20:11; after which .............................

Repent while you may!

Floyd.

I have showed you direct teachings from Jesus--- you rejected every one--and turn and say I will be the one judged. I pray to Jehovah to open your heart to the one you claim to serve but reject his truth because its only taught by JW,s.
 
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[SIZE=small]9 [/SIZE]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.



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[SIZE=small]9 [/SIZE]You see, all that is God, all His fullness, resides in His body.

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[SIZE=medium]By Christ men could see God.[/SIZE]
 

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clark thompson said:
Colossians 2:9
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[SIZE=small]9 [/SIZE]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Colossians 2:9
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[SIZE=small]9 [/SIZE]You see, all that is God, all His fullness, resides in His body.

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[SIZE=medium]These are my thoughts.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]By Christ men could see God.[/SIZE]
Yes Gods power went through Jesus--that is how the fullness was in him---because its 100% fact--Jesus was not fully God as trinity teachers say---Gods word says---Jesus was made lower than the angels.--God is not or will never be lower than the angels.
 
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[SIZE=small]10 [/SIZE]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:





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10 You, too, are being completed in Him, the One who has dominion over all rule, all authority.

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[SIZE=medium]He makes us whole and without Him leading we are missing out.[/SIZE]
 
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11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:



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11 In Him you were also circumcised, set apart by a spiritual act performed without hands. The Anointed One’s circumcision cut you off from the sinfulness of your flesh.



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[SIZE=medium]Cutting away our flesh is more important than cutting away skin.[/SIZE]
 

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kjw47 said:
Yes Gods power went through Jesus--that is how the fullness was in him---because its 100% fact--Jesus was not fully God as trinity teachers say---Gods word says---Jesus was made lower than the angels
Made lower than the angels for sin bearing, ie, the irony is the eternal Pre-incarnate Jesus (the eternal Godman Jesus) created the angels.



.--God is not or will never be lower than the angels.

You missed the 'sin bearing' part, off the top.

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shturt678 said:
Yes Gods power went through Jesus--that is how the fullness was in him---because its 100% fact--Jesus was not fully God as trinity teachers say---Gods word says---Jesus was made lower than the angels
Made lower than the angels for sin bearing, ie, the irony is the eternal Pre-incarnate Jesus (the eternal Godman Jesus) created the angels.



.--God is not or will never be lower than the angels.

You missed the 'sin bearing' part, off the top.

Old Jack





Actually Jesus was created directly by God--then all other things created through him.--collosians 1:15,, rev 3:14--- proverbs 8:23
clark thompson said:
Colossians 2:10
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[SIZE=small]10 [/SIZE]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:



Colossians 2:10
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10 You, too, are being completed in Him, the One who has dominion over all rule, all authority.

The Voice (VOICE)
The Voice Bible Copyright © 2012 Thomas Nelson, Inc. The Voice™ translation © 2012 Ecclesia Bible Society All rights reserved.

[SIZE=medium]These are my thoughts.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]He makes us whole and without Him leading we are missing out.[/SIZE]
Dominion and rule over 99.9%---given to him---no rule or dominion over his God and Father-1 Corinthians 15:24-28
 

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Gotz to love these interpretations...man teaching (Russel) man is flawed.
Ya know.....The jw's stay true to their own tribe. Even if they have their own doubts rise up from time to time.
Now....A true Born Again christian also can see false teachers in their so called Christian tribe.
The ones who think if they use snakes and get bit and survive they have the power of God. NOT!!!!!

That baptist church who always protested on the streets against the military NOT!!!!
Actually, any group proclaiming they are spreading the good news and are making fools of themselves in the name of Jesus...NOT!!!
That is all satans weapons to get the world to think Christians are wierd....In other words, people thinking they are Christians but have been fooled by their adversary to carry on the work he has tricked them in to doing. Remember it's that last breath that counts...get it right!
Ya know...how the jw's use a scape goat....they will say we have always been taught wrong....come on...do ya really think God and all the love He has for us would make it so hard. Would you jw fathers for your children? A lie eventually becomes the truth if it is spoken often enough. And a lie only becomes the truth if you can get someone else to believe it.
Jehovah's Witnesses and
1 Corinthians 8:6


1 Corinthians 8:6 reads:
There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him. (1 Cor. 8:6, NWT)
Jehovah’s Witnesses are fond of quoting this verse in an attempt to deny that Jesus is God. “There is only one God,” they will say. “And who is He? The Father.” On the surface, this seems like a good argument. However, most of the time the verse is only read half way through. When the rest of the verse is quoted a problem soon emerges with interpreting this verse to deny Jesus as God. The rest of the verse states that there is one Lord - Jesus Christ. So, to exclude the Son from being God because it says there is to us one God, the Father, would also exclude the Father from being one Lord! In fact, Jude 4 talks about "our only Lord and master, Jesus Christ." Are we therefore to conclude that the Father is not our Lord? Of course not. But by the same measure, if we are to be consistent, neither are we to conclude that the Son is not God either.
The fact is, 1 Corinthians 8:6 should be understood in the light of the fact that the terms “God” and “Lord” are used interchangeably of the Father and the Son in Scripture. In Mark 5:19 (Jehovah in the NWT) and Luke 8:39 the two terms are used interchangeably. The Father is called “Lord” (Matt. 11:25), but the Son is also called God (John 1:1, Titus 2:13; 2 Pet 1:1, etc.) Interestingly, the two terms “Lord” and “God” are both used of Jesus at John 20:28. Jehovah is also called by this title (Rev. 4:11). The two terms are used interchangeably of both the Father and the Son.
Some Jehovah’s Witnesses may counter object by quoting the following verse in response:
“Then assuredly, let all the house of Israel acknowledge that God made Him both Lord and Christ, this same Jesus whom you crucified.” (Act 2:36)
It is then argued that because God has “made” Christ “Lord”, then Jesus is not Lord in the same sense that Jehovah is Lord.
Emphasis is put on the words ‘made Lord’ in an attempt to detract from Jesus’ Lordship. But the context (vv 32-36) implies that Jesus was made both Lord and Christ after his resurrection. Yet scripture elsewhere states that Jesus was both Lord and Christ even before his death and resurrection (see: Matt. 2:1-6; 16:15-20; John 1:41; 13:13-14). So by insisting on taking the word "made" to mean that Jesus actually ‘became’ something at his resurrection that He had not been previously, you would have to deny the Scriptures that clearly state otherwise. Jesus was already Lord and Christ, but this is simply proclaimed after His resurrection. There was no name given to Jesus after his resurrection that did not already belong to him prior to this event.
So to sum up, Scripture uses the terms God and Lord of both Christ and the Father and applies them equally.
 

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RANDOR said:
Gotz to love these interpretations...man teaching (Russel) man is flawed.
Ya know.....The jw's stay true to their own tribe. Even if they have their own doubts rise up from time to time.
Now....A true Born Again christian also can see false teachers in their so called Christian tribe.
The ones who think if they use snakes and get bit and survive they have the power of God. NOT!!!!!

That baptist church who always protested on the streets against the military NOT!!!!
Actually, any group proclaiming they are spreading the good news and are making fools of themselves in the name of Jesus...NOT!!!
That is all satans weapons to get the world to think Christians are wierd....In other words, people thinking they are Christians but have been fooled by their adversary to carry on the work he has tricked them in to doing. Remember it's that last breath that counts...get it right!
Ya know...how the jw's use a scape goat....they will say we have always been taught wrong....come on...do ya really think God and all the love He has for us would make it so hard. Would you jw fathers for your children? A lie eventually becomes the truth if it is spoken often enough. And a lie only becomes the truth if you can get someone else to believe it.
Jehovah's Witnesses and
1 Corinthians 8:6


1 Corinthians 8:6 reads:
There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him. (1 Cor. 8:6, NWT)
Jehovah’s Witnesses are fond of quoting this verse in an attempt to deny that Jesus is God. “There is only one God,” they will say. “And who is He? The Father.” On the surface, this seems like a good argument. However, most of the time the verse is only read half way through. When the rest of the verse is quoted a problem soon emerges with interpreting this verse to deny Jesus as God. The rest of the verse states that there is one Lord - Jesus Christ. So, to exclude the Son from being God because it says there is to us one God, the Father, would also exclude the Father from being one Lord! In fact, Jude 4 talks about "our only Lord and master, Jesus Christ." Are we therefore to conclude that the Father is not our Lord? Of course not. But by the same measure, if we are to be consistent, neither are we to conclude that the Son is not God either.
The fact is, 1 Corinthians 8:6 should be understood in the light of the fact that the terms “God” and “Lord” are used interchangeably of the Father and the Son in Scripture. In Mark 5:19 (Jehovah in the NWT) and Luke 8:39 the two terms are used interchangeably. The Father is called “Lord” (Matt. 11:25), but the Son is also called God (John 1:1, Titus 2:13; 2 Pet 1:1, etc.) Interestingly, the two terms “Lord” and “God” are both used of Jesus at John 20:28. Jehovah is also called by this title (Rev. 4:11). The two terms are used interchangeably of both the Father and the Son.
Some Jehovah’s Witnesses may counter object by quoting the following verse in response:
“Then assuredly, let all the house of Israel acknowledge that God made Him both Lord and Christ, this same Jesus whom you crucified.” (Act 2:36)
It is then argued that because God has “made” Christ “Lord”, then Jesus is not Lord in the same sense that Jehovah is Lord.
Emphasis is put on the words ‘made Lord’ in an attempt to detract from Jesus’ Lordship. But the context (vv 32-36) implies that Jesus was made both Lord and Christ after his resurrection. Yet scripture elsewhere states that Jesus was both Lord and Christ even before his death and resurrection (see: Matt. 2:1-6; 16:15-20; John 1:41; 13:13-14). So by insisting on taking the word "made" to mean that Jesus actually ‘became’ something at his resurrection that He had not been previously, you would have to deny the Scriptures that clearly state otherwise. Jesus was already Lord and Christ, but this is simply proclaimed after His resurrection. There was no name given to Jesus after his resurrection that did not already belong to him prior to this event.
So to sum up, Scripture uses the terms God and Lord of both Christ and the Father and applies them equally.


1 Corinthians 15:24-28-- John 20:17, rev 3:12
 

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kjw47 said:
1 Corinthians 15:24-28-- John 20:17, rev 3:12
  • John 20:17 Jesus speaking to Mary Magdalene: Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’ ”
PROBLEM: Jehovah’s Witnesses sayJesus cannot be Jehovah because he calls the Father “my God.” They say how can the Father be Jesus’ God and He still be God?
SOLUTION: In context the word “God” here in 20:17 is referring to the Father. John focuses on the human aspect of Jesus’ identity. In His humanity Jesus was identifying himself with his “brothers” (Disciples). Jesus as God does not have brothers. Notice he uses the words “My Father and My God.” He taught others to say “Our Father” (Matt. 6:9-13) instead of “my Father.” By using these words Jesus was saying He was equal to the Father. How do we know this? In John5:17-18 Jesus says, But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.” 18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” Jesus calling God “My Father” was a way to proclaim equality with God and the Jews knew this and wanted him dead. In Jewish law it was blasphemy to say you are equal with God. So in John 20:17 Jesus claimed to be equal with the Father.
One of the problems is the Jehovah’s Witnesses have is they assume God could not enter into human form. If the 2nd person of the Trinity enters into human flesh, how would such a divine person act? Would He be an atheist? Would He refuse to acknowledge those divine persons who had not entered into human existence? Of course not! Yet when we see the Lord Jesus doing exactly what we would expect, worshipping God the Father and saying a phrase like “my Father and my God,” the Jehovah’s Witnesses cry foul and say Jesus is a lesser god. They lack the understanding of how Jesus can be fully God and fully man.[1] This is why they struggle with John 20:17.
  • John 20:17 Jesus speaking to Mary Magdalene: Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’ ”
PROBLEM: Jehovah’s Witnesses sayJesus cannot be Jehovah because he calls the Father “my God.” They say how can the Father be Jesus’ God and He still be God?
SOLUTION: In context the word “God” here in 20:17 is referring to the Father. John focuses on the human aspect of Jesus’ identity. In His humanity Jesus was identifying himself with his “brothers” (Disciples). Jesus as God does not have brothers. Notice he uses the words “My Father and My God.” He taught others to say “Our Father” (Matt. 6:9-13) instead of “my Father.” By using these words Jesus was saying He was equal to the Father. How do we know this? In John5:17-18 Jesus says, But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.” 18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” Jesus calling God “My Father” was a way to proclaim equality with God and the Jews knew this and wanted him dead. In Jewish law it was blasphemy to say you are equal with God. So in John 20:17 Jesus claimed to be equal with the Father.
One of the problems is the Jehovah’s Witnesses have is they assume God could not enter into human form. If the 2nd person of the Trinity enters into human flesh, how would such a divine person act? Would He be an atheist? Would He refuse to acknowledge those divine persons who had not entered into human existence? Of course not! Yet when we see the Lord Jesus doing exactly what we would expect, worshipping God the Father and saying a phrase like “my Father and my God,” the Jehovah’s Witnesses cry foul and say Jesus is a lesser god. They lack the understanding of how Jesus can be fully God and fully man.[1] This is why they struggle with John 20:17.
 

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RANDOR said:


John 20:17
Jesus speaking to Mary Magdalene: Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’ ”
PROBLEM: Jehovah’s Witnesses sayJesus cannot be Jehovah because he calls the Father “my God.” They say how can the Father be Jesus’ God and He still be God?
SOLUTION: In context the word “God” here in 20:17 is referring to the Father. John focuses on the human aspect of Jesus’ identity. In His humanity Jesus was identifying himself with his “brothers” (Disciples). Jesus as God does not have brothers. Notice he uses the words “My Father and My God.” He taught others to say “Our Father” (Matt. 6:9-13) instead of “my Father.” By using these words Jesus was saying He was equal to the Father. How do we know this? In John5:17-18 Jesus says, But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.” 18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” Jesus calling God “My Father” was a way to proclaim equality with God and the Jews knew this and wanted him dead. In Jewish law it was blasphemy to say you are equal with God. So in John 20:17 Jesus claimed to be equal with the Father.
One of the problems is the Jehovah’s Witnesses have is they assume God could not enter into human form. If the 2nd person of the Trinity enters into human flesh, how would such a divine person act? Would He be an atheist? Would He refuse to acknowledge those divine persons who had not entered into human existence? Of course not! Yet when we see the Lord Jesus doing exactly what we would expect, worshipping God the Father and saying a phrase like “my Father and my God,” the Jehovah’s Witnesses cry foul and say Jesus is a lesser god. They lack the understanding of how Jesus can be fully God and fully man.[1] This is why they struggle with John 20:17.

Well done!

Luther: "He is the Father's natural Son, born from all eternity, and not an adopted son, and this superiority he has over all others."

Old Jack
Thank you again folks for caring!
 

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shturt678 said:
Thank you again folks for caring!
1 Corinthians 15:24-28---Jesus is not God.
RANDOR said:
  • John 20:17 Jesus speaking to Mary Magdalene: Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’ ”
PROBLEM: Jehovah’s Witnesses sayJesus cannot be Jehovah because he calls the Father “my God.” They say how can the Father be Jesus’ God and He still be God?
SOLUTION: In context the word “God” here in 20:17 is referring to the Father. John focuses on the human aspect of Jesus’ identity. In His humanity Jesus was identifying himself with his “brothers” (Disciples). Jesus as God does not have brothers. Notice he uses the words “My Father and My God.” He taught others to say “Our Father” (Matt. 6:9-13) instead of “my Father.” By using these words Jesus was saying He was equal to the Father. How do we know this? In John5:17-18 Jesus says, But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.” 18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” Jesus calling God “My Father” was a way to proclaim equality with God and the Jews knew this and wanted him dead. In Jewish law it was blasphemy to say you are equal with God. So in John 20:17 Jesus claimed to be equal with the Father.
One of the problems is the Jehovah’s Witnesses have is they assume God could not enter into human form. If the 2nd person of the Trinity enters into human flesh, how would such a divine person act? Would He be an atheist? Would He refuse to acknowledge those divine persons who had not entered into human existence? Of course not! Yet when we see the Lord Jesus doing exactly what we would expect, worshipping God the Father and saying a phrase like “my Father and my God,” the Jehovah’s Witnesses cry foul and say Jesus is a lesser god. They lack the understanding of how Jesus can be fully God and fully man.[1] This is why they struggle with John 20:17.

  • John 20:17 Jesus speaking to Mary Magdalene: Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’ ”
PROBLEM: Jehovah’s Witnesses sayJesus cannot be Jehovah because he calls the Father “my God.” They say how can the Father be Jesus’ God and He still be God?
SOLUTION: In context the word “God” here in 20:17 is referring to the Father. John focuses on the human aspect of Jesus’ identity. In His humanity Jesus was identifying himself with his “brothers” (Disciples). Jesus as God does not have brothers. Notice he uses the words “My Father and My God.” He taught others to say “Our Father” (Matt. 6:9-13) instead of “my Father.” By using these words Jesus was saying He was equal to the Father. How do we know this? In John5:17-18 Jesus says, But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.” 18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” Jesus calling God “My Father” was a way to proclaim equality with God and the Jews knew this and wanted him dead. In Jewish law it was blasphemy to say you are equal with God. So in John 20:17 Jesus claimed to be equal with the Father.
One of the problems is the Jehovah’s Witnesses have is they assume God could not enter into human form. If the 2nd person of the Trinity enters into human flesh, how would such a divine person act? Would He be an atheist? Would He refuse to acknowledge those divine persons who had not entered into human existence? Of course not! Yet when we see the Lord Jesus doing exactly what we would expect, worshipping God the Father and saying a phrase like “my Father and my God,” the Jehovah’s Witnesses cry foul and say Jesus is a lesser god. They lack the understanding of how Jesus can be fully God and fully man.[1] This is why they struggle with John 20:17.
Jesus being fully God is a lie---He was made lower than the angels as a mortal.
 

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kjw47 said:
1 Corinthians 15:24-28---Jesus is not God.

Jesus being fully God is a lie---He was made lower than the angels as a mortal.
Thank you for caring again!

ICor.15:28, "...God may be all in all." The answer to the question of subordination must be answered exegetically and not dogmatically. The answer is simple. He who subjected all thngs to Christ is the Father, the first Person of the Godhead. it's also Christ, the Son, ensarkos, incarnate, not the Son asarkos, apart from His incarnation, who has all things put under His feet, all things made subject to Him. This incarnate Son delivers the Kingdom to His Father at the end, lays the work assigned to Him, complete and perfect kjw47, into the Father's hands and by this act subjects Himself to the Father. Thus o Theos, "God," not one Person merely but the Triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, shall be "all in all," supreme in eternity.

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shturt678 said:
Thank you for caring again!

ICor.15:28, "...God may be all in all." The answer to the question of subordination must be answered exegetically and not dogmatically. The answer is simple. He who subjected all thngs to Christ is the Father, the first Person of the Godhead. it's also Christ, the Son, ensarkos, incarnate, not the Son asarkos, apart from His incarnation, who has all things put under His feet, all things made subject to Him. This incarnate Son delivers the Kingdom to His Father at the end, lays the work assigned to Him, complete and perfect kjw47, into the Father's hands and by this act subjects Himself to the Father. Thus o Theos, "God," not one Person merely but the Triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, shall be "all in all," supreme in eternity.

Old Jack
Except there is no trinity God. Catholicism council false teaching--they erred in translation to fit council dogma to mislead.
 

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Except there is no trinity God. Catholicism council false teaching--they erred in translation to fit council dogma to mislead.
Thank you for your response and caring!

Your non-Trinitarian view is just as pervasive as us Trinitrian's view counting Islam. I agree false teachings are throughout all denominations in today's time; however this doesn't mean all the essentials of the faith are fallacious also, eg, Trinitarian view opposed to Islam's non-Trinitarian view. Even non-modern Judaism in Jesus' day believed in Trinitarism, ie, today they adamantly don't of course.

What I've been telling the J.W.'s, islam, and etc. for decades when the grammar, context, and aspect of Jn.1:1c prove without a doubt that Jesus = God, then one should take another look at their non-Trinitarian view or prove me in error.

Old Jack