The Heavens shall Roll Up as a Schroll

The Heavens shall Roll Up as a Scroll

[SIZE=18pt]Isaiah 34:1-4[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]1[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]2[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]3[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]4[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.[/SIZE]

Isaiah 51:3-6
3 For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.
4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.
5 My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.
6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.


Isaiah 25:4-8
4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.
5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

Revelation 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, Eric.

(As the originator, you can edit your title for the thread, too. At least, for a while.)

Thank you for this. All the more reason why "heaven" means the "sky" and not "God's abode!" Can you imagine thinking that "the heavens shall vanish away like smoke" means "God's abode shall vanish away like smoke"?!

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Thank you How can I edit the tittle?

keras said:

The great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event we can expect.
Isaiah 34:4, Isaiah 51:6, Rev 6:14 and also 2 Peter 3:10, all tell us that our atmosphere will be severely affected on that Day.
What could it be that causes such an effect? From the many prophesies that tell us how the Lord will act against His enemies, such as Psalm 83, we see in verses 13-18 it is the Lord Himself who instigates this disaster. In times past God has used other nations to exact punishment upon His sinful people, but as 2 Peter 3:4-5 says; Don't forget that God destroyed the first civilization by a great Flood and now in the last days, the earth is reserved for burning and the godless will be destroyed.
Isaiah 30:26 tells us exactly what God will use this time; a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude. This hit of a multi million ton mass of superheated hydrogen will cause all the prophesied effects and will result in a devastation of Noahic proportions.
This terrible Day cannot be man caused, that simply does not fit the prophesies. Many prophesies say how the Lord will destroy the weapons of war and Jeremiah 49:35... I shall break the bow of Elam, [Iran] the chief weapon of their might. The E.M.Pulse of a CME will destroy electronics and will make any armed nuke explode on the launch pad.
Eric, I know you have another scenario, but I suggest to you to look again at all the prophesied effects of this Day and realize that only a CME can fulfil them. Deut. 32:22 & 34-35

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Isaiah 30:25-30
25And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
26Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
27Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
28And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err.
29Ye shall have a song, as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the LORD, to the mighty One of Israel.
30And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.


Keras, when God judges the world with fire it will also have wind and hail. Isaiah 25:4-7 tells us that the blast of the terrible ones will kill the strangers with heat heat with the shadow of a cloud and that will destroy the protective vael over the whole earth. I believe God will cause men to fight a neclear war which will burn up the heavens as a scroll. The thinned atmosphere will let the sun's light become seven fold strength. If God also sends a coronal mass ejection it will surly fry the earth.

Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Eric.

Sorry to say it, but keras is right. It was a nice theory, but that's just a bit too much. Remember: God promised that the "earth will abide forever."

Psalm 104:1-5
104 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
KJV

Ecclesiastes 1:4
4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
KJV

When God "destroys the earth," He is to destroy just the SURFACE of the earth, not the whole planet. That is, all He has to do is burn the crust of the earth, where mankind is living. (YIKES! Just imagine THAT much!)

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I agree that only the surface of the earth is burned.

God will use man to judge man.


Jeremiah 25:32-33
32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
33And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

Isaiah 26:11
11LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.

keras said:

Sorry Eric, but you are wrong. Have you not researched the effects of a CME?
Just one point debunks your theory; How does a nuke explosion on earth cause the moon to shine as bright as the sun?
I could post a dozen verses that clearly state that the Lord Himself will instigate His judgement of fire. Zeph 3:8 is one example.
Anyway scientists say it is just a matter of time before we get hit by a big CME. There was one in 2011, that passed thru the earths orbit track only a week ahead of our being there.
No way will there be a nuke explosion in any of the holy Land; from the Euphrates to the Nile. Many prophesies say how the Land will quickly regenerate after being 'burned and devastated' by this CME. Ezekiel 36:8, Isaiah 35:1-2

Yes, a massive CME will fry the area facing the sun when it hits. We are told when and where that will be; Zephaniah 2:4...at mid day Middle Eastern time. It will be the entire ME region that will be virtually destroyed and depopulated. But the Americas and my country, New Zealand will get just a partial hit, as the CME passes on into space. Most will survive, by taking shelter.
An interesting result of this glancing blow is that it will speed up the earths orbit, Isaiah 13:13, making our year 360 days, thereby making the time periods as given in Revelation, correct.

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God will use man to judge man.


Jeremiah 25:32-33
32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
33And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

Isaiah 26:11
11LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.


A CME will act like a flash when taking a picture. The moon will shine as the sun. I think this is a continus condition not a flash and gone.

keras said:

Eric, you are as tough to convince as a block of limestone!
Did God use man in Noah's time?
How does a nuke war in the ME cause people to be killed from one end of the earth to the other?
Please answer how a nuke on earth makes the moon shine as bright as the sun and blood red. But this will happen when the superheated mass of hydrogen plasma hits it, causing an intensely bright thermite reaction with the aluminium oxide moon dust. Result; pure aluminium and water.
Isaiah 26:11 ...let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them. REB This will be a CME as Deut 32:22 & 343-35 confirms.
However the KJV is right too, as the EMP from the initial flash of this CME will cause nukes to explode on the launch pad. Psalm 7:12-16, Obadiah 15

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Keras,

It is funny you should say that. I have worked in a limestone quarry for 50 years.

Sometimes God uses men to judge men such as the Assyria and northern Israel or Babylon and Judah.

God will cause Magog and those that live carelessly in the isles to fight. Jeremiah 6:22 says when the northern nation attacks God will raise a great nation from the sides of the earth.

Blood moon happens during a lunar eclipse. Moon as bright as the sun will occur when the sun becomes 7 times brighter because the atmosphere burned off as a scroll.


God will stop useing nations to judge men in the last half of the tribulation.

keras said:

Keras,

It is funny you should say that. I have worked in a limestone quarry for 50 years...... I knew that, its gotten into your brain.

Sometimes God uses men to judge men such as the Assyria and northern Israel or Babylon and Judah.....Not this time, He won't.


God will cause Magog and those that live carelessly in the isles to fight. Jeremiah 6:22 says when the northern nation attacks God will raise a great nation from the sides of the earth....Armed with bow and scimitar.. Kinda past history, don't you think?

Blood moon happens during a lunar eclipse. Moon as bright as the sun will occur when the sun becomes 7 times brighter because the atmosphere burned off as a scroll.... Rubbish. The moon goes dark during and eclipse and the current 'blood mood tetrads' are a non-event.


God will stop useing nations to judge men in the last half of the tribulation...As I have pointed out, He used a flood in Noah's time. Just read Amos chapter 1 - 5 times it says God will send fire onto His enemies.

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Keres do you believe men will fight any wars in the tribulation?

keras said:

No. All the prophesied, so called wars will be won by the Lord before they start.
1/ the Psalm 83 attack against the current State of Israel. The entire ME is depopulated by a CME sunstrike. Ezekiel 30:1-5 Only a remnant of Jews will survive in J,lem. Isaiah 29:4, Isaiah 6:11-13
2/ the Gog/Magog attack. God will cause an earthquake, make them kill each other, send storms and fire and brimstone to kill them all. Ezekiel 38:18-22
3/ Armageddon. When Jesus Returns, He will destroy those armies attacking J,lem by the sword of His Word.

Re-reading your question, there are no wars during the Great Tribulation - these trumpet and bowl events are punishments.
Do you consider the Seals as part of the Trib? I do not, because the first five seals are already opened; Zechariah 1:10 & Zech 6:1-8 and the saints are killed from Stephen to the present day. The next prophesied event is the Sixth Seal, the terrible Day of the Lord, when He destroys His enemies, namely those who attack Israel. Micah 4:11-12

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I agree that there will be no war in the great tribulation because the antichrist will be in control of the world.

I believe there will be war in the first 3.5 years of Israel's last week of years.

keras said:

During the Great Tribulation, which is the second half of the last seven years, the AC and all who follow him will be in big trouble, as the trumpet and bowl punishments fall on them. He will become leader of the One World Govt well before that, as it is he that comes to New Israel to negotiate a seven year peace treaty. This proves that the nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, is not a member of the OWG, therefore its citizens are not required to 'take the mark of the beast'. They are marked by God, Rev 7:3.
I see the first half of this treaty as peaceful, Gog/Magog will have recently been annihilated and it will take the AC some time to ready his army for his campaigns. Daniel 11:21-31

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Daniel 7:7-8
7After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The antichrist will come to power in the 11th horn and when he defeats the magog alliance he will have up rooted the three weaker horns. This will put all the revived Roman Empire under the power and leadership of the antichrist. They will go on to devour the whole earth!