"Why" Revelation was written during Nero's reign before 70AD

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"Why" Revelation was written during Nero's reign before 70AD

A narrative by a “Tentmaker” with the help of friends


Matthew 4:19 Come, follow me, Jesus said, and I will send you out to fish for men.


John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him,
If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.



Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass.



1 - The time statement in Revelation 1:1 refers to soon events of cataclysmic Jewish importance. If it was written in 96 AD, there are no events soon from that time that could even remotely fit. If, however, it was before 70 AD, then the destruction of Jerusalem rises to the occasion as both Jewish and cataclysmic. The time statements demand we look here.


2 - The 6th king in Revelation 17 is the one that persecutes the saints. Roman leader-emperors of the Julian dynasty are (1) Julius Caesar, (2) Augustus, (3) Tiberius, (4) Caligula, (5) Claudius, then (6) Nero. Nero was the first and only Roman Caesar of the Julian line to persecute Christians. Nero's death ended the Julian dynasty. The one ruling after him reigned only a little while, Galba, 6 months who was the seventh.


3 - If the 6th king is indeed Nero, he would be the one that "now is" according to the prophecy, and this would date the writing before 68 AD when Nero supposedly committed suicide. Nero also persecuted Christians for 42 months as is stated in the prophecy. The 7th king of Revelation 17 is not yet here. If Nero is the 6th, then the book was written before Galba, i.e. before 70 AD.


4 - Caesar Nero's name in Hebrew gematria adds up to 666. Since this was written about “soon” events, no other person can be found within this time scope whose name fits this requirement and description. Especially none can be found in the “soon” future of 96 AD.


5 - Some versions have a few manuscripts that have the number of the beast as 616 instead of the Hebrew 666. (You can find this stated in almost any Study Bible). What is shocking is that using gematria Caesar Nero's name would add up to 616 in those versions, but in Hebrew, 666. This is very strong evidence that Caesar Nero really was the one being referred to as the beast and that the change from 666 to 616 in some manuscripts was intentional for that very reason. It is nearly impossible to find any other person's name in that time frame that would do this!


6 - What purpose would it serve for John to tell the first readers of his prophecy to "calculate" the number of the name of the beast if he was not to be born until 2000 years later? This implies that the beast was living at the time of this writing, thus proving not necessarily the pre-70 AD writing, but definitely the "at hand" time statements of the book.


7 – Early Syrian versions of the Book of Revelation has the title of "John the Evangelist in the Isle of Patmos, where he was thrown by Nero Caesar." Nero, of course, was dead by 68 AD.


8 - If in Revelation 11:1 John the Evangelist is referring to some rebuilt temple in the far distant future he is sent to measure, and he is writing in 96 AD, then his complete silence about the destruction of the temple in 70 AD is deafening!!!


9 - The incredible parallels of Matthew 24 and Revelation, which Jesus said would happen in "this generation" and "when . . . Jerusalem (is) surrounded with armies". Most of that generation were dead in the time of 96 AD and Jerusalem was surrounded with armies in 70 AD.


10 - According to the epistles to the churches and Revelation 2:9 & 3:9, there were still Judaizers presenting problems in the churches. This particular issue would be ridiculous after the holocaust of 70 AD and the resulting diaspora of nearly all in Israel except for the less “religious”.


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[Editor's Note: Because any teachings by any fallible man, including this narrative, could unwittingly be flawed, all Christians should be as the Bereans in Acts 17:11, and should ask the Holy Spirit to guide them into the truth, and to discern doctrines that can be judged by their fruitfulness in strengthening Jesus' Kingdom while also encouraging loving-holiness towards God and “all” others.


When "The Book of Revelation" and especially Revelation
18:4 was written and circulated by "John the Evangelist" during Nero's reign it encouraged an exodus from all Mystery Babylon communities, similar to Nahum's writings that encouraged believers to flee Nineveh prior to its holocaust by the Babylonians, and similar to Jesus' teachings from "The Book of Daniel" that encouraged believers to flee Jerusalem prior to its holocaust in 70 AD. During Nero's reign "The Book of Revelation" encouraged an exodus from both Jerusalem and Rome since they both have seven hills and both had a history of martyring God's prophets.


Today "The Book of Revelation" continues to encourage believers to flee from all Mystery Babylon communities. These are idolatrous non-relational religious communities whose leadership would promote fruit destroying doctrines-of-men, that are materialistic-idolatrous, lascivious, or lustful; or that would teach the opposite of the truth concerning our Father God's immeasurable faith hope love and eternal efforts for “each” and “all” of His prodigal children; until Colossians 1:20 and 1John 3:8 would eventually be fulfilled, when “hopefully” “all” might eventually be reconciled back to His Kingdom in Heaven as a result of the cross of Christ Jesus. (1Peter 3:18-20) (Matthew 19:30, 20:16, Mark 10:31) These Mystery Babylon communities are especially evident when they “martyr” those who attempt to expose doctrines of men and devils for the thievery, death and destruction they cause within our world and to Jesus' Kingdom.


Scripture teaches that Jesus is continually praying throughout His leadership's siftings and chastenings, in order that they would be taught the importance of continually converting and mentoring others to pursue loving-holiness towards “all” while simultaneously resisting all evil, “if” they would pray to remain one of His chosen ambassadors into the eternity ahead of them. Because of the Savior's prayers His mighty angels are continuously fulfilling 2Chronicles 16:9 without any favoritism within any culture or lineage, until “all” of His children would have matured and 1Corinthians 13:8-10 and Revelation 21 would be fulfilled and seen in the earth.


The results of Jesus' prayerful efforts would be that His children would have learned to work in concert with His Spirit to bring forth a best-case fulfillment of all apocalyptic “prophetic-scripture”, i.e. a best-case fulfillment of the Greek word katargeo in 1Corinthians 13:8, e.g. katargeo concerning Isaiah 17, Nahum 1:1&15c, Zephaniah 1:2,18c and 2:9. All the while the evil one, the devil Beelzebub, works to bring forth a worst-case fulfillment of all “prophetic-scripture,” by using the blasphemies, slanders, self-righteous bigotries, and Laodicean lethargy that all doctrines-of-men continually promote, whenever some wayward teachers have blindly used the Holy scriptures to multiply their sins towards God. As Paul was duped to do prior to his seeing Christ Jesus, and immediately he became a converted-universalist.


Revelation 21 reveals that at the end of this age every hardened soul who would have continually refused to receive the Gospel of the Kingdom into their hearts are destined to be left behind when Jesus' joint-heirs would be evacuated; and these few evil souls would then suffer for ages whenever a near earth nova would again sterilize the earth for a lengthy season.


Similarly to how judgment upon Jerusalem and its Church there was able to be minimized via the efforts of Jesus' Church prior to 70AD, what is being accomplished in our generation is again in the hands of Jesus' Holy Church, much more than in the hands of God's Holy Angels who are mighty in power but limited in number.


Because our Father God knows each of His children's fears and weaknesses, let us each pray that the Comforter would encourage God's ambassadors to be courageous and prudent, in order that they would pursue God's Holiness in a way that very soon the gates of hell will not prevail against the assaults by Jesus' Church. Only then would our Father God be glorified to our uttermost, and His ambassadors would have prepared the earth for Jesus' to reveal His New Jerusalem as a Day-Star in the eastern sky amidst the clouds of Heaven, at which time His “mercy will have triumphed over judgments” to the Glory of God the Father. [James 2:13] (Mark 14:62; Habakkuk 2:14) (2Peter 1:4; Revelation 12:11, 21:27)


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So I post these narratives with the hope that some who might read them would be like the Bereans, and so these views might improve upon one's previous understandings, after some souls would prayerfully consider them in-context with our Father God's infinite love concerning all of His prodigal creatures, and His sovereignty over the choices He is continually making concerning every soul He has ever created and placed within this fallen world, in order to continually improve upon it throughout the eternity ahead of us all. [1 Corinthians 15:35-44]


We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time.


Any encouraging, helpful or edifying comments anyone?


Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Jesus Christ
AservantofJC
John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21



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This link below is the previous post on this topic without the more obvious emphasis concerning "Why" "The Book of Revelation" was allowed to be written and published exactly as it was by "John the Evangelist", which was in order to cause demonic-doctrines-of-men to cease to proliferate via "Christian" communities. Who should only be promoting "infallible" doctrines from God via "holy" and "righteous" Church fellowships, "IF" believers would strive to be obedient to Jesus' straightforward wisdom that would have continually been imparted by the Holy Spirit of God in a supernatural way and with much fruitfulness.

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/18277-revelation-was-written-during-neros-reign-before-70ad/

The continual prayer that I am burdened by the Holy Spirit to pray towards is that more believers would NOT remain spiritually-indolent or Laodicean or hard-hearted or stiff-necked as many others had become in 70AD, but would thoughtfully consider how they should "daily" continually-convert towards "doing" the following scripture that is continually being admonished to them by the Holy Spirit for their own families' sake in their own situation - Revelation 18:4 - - Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. . . .
 

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To All,

“[The] five of whom are fallen [presumes John’s work to be written in] Vespasian’s reign. Titus is to come, but only to last for a short time. Perhaps the writer knew of the hopeless condition of Titus’ health. He is therefore either using a literary convention, and assuming an earlier date than is the fact to give his words the force of a prophecy concerning Titus, or, more likely, his is using here material written in Vespasian’s reign which partly suits his purpose and partly not; for there are very good reasons for thinking that this book was written, not in Vespasian’s reign, but in Domitian’s.”[1]#_ftn1


[SIZE=8pt][1][/SIZE] [SIZE=11pt]Eiselen, Frederick, Edwin Lewis, & David Downey, The Abingdon Bible Commentary, Abingdon Press, NY, 1929[/SIZE], p. 1392




Perhaps the assertions of some are not well founded. Could it be that Revelation 17 is preserved for the end-time?!?


With Best Regards,
DD
 

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DaDad said:
“[The] five of whom are fallen [presumes John’s work to be written in] Vespasian’s reign. Titus is to come, but only to last for a short time. Perhaps the writer knew of the hopeless condition of Titus’ health. He is therefore either using a literary convention, and assuming an earlier date than is the fact to give his words the force of a prophecy concerning Titus, or, more likely, his is using here material written in Vespasian’s reign which partly suits his purpose and partly not; for there are very good reasons for thinking that this book was written, not in Vespasian’s reign, but in Domitian’s.”[1]#_ftn1


[SIZE=8pt][1][/SIZE] [SIZE=11pt]Eiselen, Frederick, Edwin Lewis, & David Downey, The Abingdon Bible Commentary, Abingdon Press, NY, 1929, p. 1392[/SIZE]




Perhaps the assertions of some are not well founded. Could it be that Revelation 17 is preserved for the end-time?!?
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AServantofJC said:
"Why" Revelation was written during Nero's reign before 70AD

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2 - The 6th king in Revelation 17 is the one that persecutes the saints. Roman leader-emperors of the Julian dynasty are (1) Julius Caesar, (2) Augustus, (3) Tiberius, (4) Caligula, (5) Claudius, then (6) Nero. Nero was the first and only Roman Caesar of the Julian line to persecute Christians. Nero's death ended the Julian dynasty. The one ruling after him reigned only a little while, Galba, 6 months who was the seventh.


3 - If the 6th king is indeed Nero, he would be the one that "now is" according to the prophecy, and this would date the writing before 68 AD when Nero supposedly committed suicide. Nero also persecuted Christians for 42 months as is stated in the prophecy. The 7th king of Revelation 17 is not yet here. If Nero is the 6th, then the book was written before Galba, i.e. before 70 AD.


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This link below is the previous post on this topic without the more obvious emphasis concerning "Why" "The Book of Revelation" was allowed to be written and published exactly as it was by "John the Evangelist", which was in order to cause demonic-doctrines-of-men to cease to proliferate via "Christian" communities. Who should only be promoting "infallible" doctrines from God via "holy" and "righteous" Church fellowships, "IF" believers would strive to be obedient to Jesus' straightforward wisdom that would have continually been imparted by the Holy Spirit of God in a supernatural way and with much fruitfulness.

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/18277-revelation-was-written-during-neros-reign-before-70ad/

The continual prayer that I am burdened by the Holy Spirit to pray towards is that more believers would NOT remain spiritually-indolent or Laodicean or hard-hearted or stiff-necked as many others had become in 70AD, but would thoughtfully consider how they should "daily" continually-convert towards "doing" the following scripture that is continually being admonished to them by the Holy Spirit for their own families' sake in their own situation - Revelation 18:4 - - Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. . . .

In response to the previous post's views I have again highlighted the views I have been taught by "many" holy souls as to the who, what, when, where and why of "The Book of Revelation" that was written by "John the Evangelist" while on the Isle of Patmos during Nero's reign.

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I continually pray that "IF" more of God's children would strive to become holy as our Loving Lord and God are holy, [+] and would strive to become abundantly fruitful with the good-news-gospel-message Jesus taught towards "all" of mankind, the truth that would set "all" souls free would be proclaimed in such a way that very soon "all" the works of the-devil would much more quickly be annihilated amongst all nations via a quick-work as prophesied by scripture.

[+: Holy defined = "set apart for service" to "all" of mankind.]

Even so the transition to that day may endure a season of considerable tribulation depending upon man's fear and pride and whether few or many have continually "chosen" to follow after their "loving" Savior to the death, towards being eternally fruitful in building-up His inheritances in "all" the earth or not.

We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time.

Any encouraging, helpful or edifying comments anyone?

Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Jesus Christ
AservantofJC
John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21




PS - concerning the tribulation transition-period that will inevitably come someday, the following image posted within the attached *.pdf file is what IMHO will likely kick-off that world changing tribulation period.



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2 Timothy 2:15-16 - - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness.

Titus 2:13 - - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious (i.e. fruitful) appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 3:10&18 - - But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless ones and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.


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Isaiah 29:13-14 - - Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the (demonic) doctrines-of-men: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Isaiah 29 ESV - - The Siege of Jerusalem

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"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot the missionary.

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Matthew 4:19 - - Come, follow me, Jesus said, and I will send you out to fish for men.

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DaDad

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DaDad said:
To All,

“[The] five of whom are fallen [presumes John’s work to be written in] Vespasian’s reign. Titus is to come, but only to last for a short time. Perhaps the writer knew of the hopeless condition of Titus’ health. He is therefore either using a literary convention, and assuming an earlier date than is the fact to give his words the force of a prophecy concerning Titus, or, more likely, his is using here material written in Vespasian’s reign which partly suits his purpose and partly not; for there are very good reasons for thinking that this book was written, not in Vespasian’s reign, but in Domitian’s.”[1]#_ftn1


[SIZE=8pt][1][/SIZE] [SIZE=11pt]Eiselen, Frederick, Edwin Lewis, & David Downey, The Abingdon Bible Commentary, Abingdon Press, NY, 1929[/SIZE], p. 1392




Perhaps the assertions of some are not well founded. Could it be that Revelation 17 is preserved for the end-time?!?


With Best Regards,
DD

To All,

I maintain that which the experts observe, but please be aware that some communications are restricted per Proverbs.


With Best Regards,
DD
 

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Or it could just simply mean that for Christ to whom a "day is as a thousand years" that "shortly" for Him is not the same as "shortly" for us who are bound by time restrictions. People do have a tendancy to overthink things.
 

DaDad

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Trekson said:
People do have a tendancy to overthink things.
Hi Trekson,

Who in Christianity even "thinks", much less "over-thinks"? I'd sure like to FIND a thinking Christian. Do you have any suggestions?


With Best Regards,
DD




To All,

If any should be alarmed at my assertion, please feel free to bring a solution to ANY of Daniel's prophecies, or possibly resolve how Daniel DIED in the First Year of King Cyrus, or possibly resolve how Darius was the Last Babylonian King, or etc. etc. -- Specifically, both Montgomery and Young failed to find a solution for Daniel 9, -- in which so many ill considered offer FALSE explanations. And Newton readily discounted the 11th Chapter "Classical" interpretation, and then failed to find his own solution. And regarding the Daniel 7 Bear, exactly how did the FALSELY purported Medo/Persian Empire chew on three purported nations, and then drop them so that it could "arise and devour much flesh"? And if all these things are self evident, then why are there so many scholars who dispute these so-called "interpretations"?

PLEASE, Someone, send me a thinking Christian, and then maybe the TRUTH can be known.


With Best Regards,
DD