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Oh, this reminds me to pray my rosary!!
goldy,When you get a phone call for somebody else, do you continue to act as a middle man or do you not give the phone to that person?If somebody called for you, but instead talked to somebody else in you family to relay the requests to you instead of talking to you, how would you feel when you were right there? Think about that. Wouldn't you feel slighted? Wouldn't you think that something is wrong in your relationship with that person that they did not want to talk to you? And if done habitually, you would wonder if that person wants to relate to you at all since it is that other member of the family that person is relating to.So if you are relating to someone else to talk to Jesus instead of Jesus... are you not saying to the world that a believer cannot always feel free to come to their God? How does that affect your witness about how much Jesus loves us that He gave up His life to save us? There is no greater love.When you are out with someone you love in a restaurant; do you talk with that person's mother in order to talk with that person you claim to love? Imagine how that would look to your friends and neighbors and church members and the world. Here you are sitting at the table while everybody seeing you talking to the mother of the person you love to relay your words to the person you love. And the person you love is not saying anything back through the mother or to you as he would be indignant and you know it.So bottomline, you really have no excuse for not going straight to the Lord in prayer in seeking the Lord as well as talking to Him. And if I have to say it, so be it. You are sinning against the Lord. Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Seek the Lord in prayer.
 

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Hi Jag!I thank the Lord for inspiring me to preach to goldy. I know that no matter how good the point is or the scriptures to drive the point home, it is God that causes the increase.I shall give the Lord all the glory if any catholic leaves the catholic church to have that relationship with God through Jesus Christ the Lord.1 Corinthians 3:5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.Matthew 10: 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.John 16: 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.2 Timothy 4: 1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. John 6: 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.Thus Jesus is the real soul winner here.Let us pray to the Lord for goldy and peacebewithyou since we agree of their need for the Lord's intervention in this matter for their deliverance from sinful practises that deny Him.Matthew 18: 19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
 

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Hi Jag!I thank the Lord for inspiring me to preach to goldy. I know that no matter how good the point is or the scriptures to drive the point home, it is God that causes the increase.I shall give the Lord all the glory if any catholic leaves the catholic church to have that relationship with God through Jesus Christ the Lord.1 Corinthians 3:5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.Matthew 10: 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.John 16: 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.2 Timothy 4: 1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. John 6: 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.Thus Jesus is the real soul winner here.Let us pray to the Lord for goldy and peacebewithyou since we agree of their need for the Lord's intervention in this matter for their deliverance from sinful practises that deny Him.Matthew 18: 19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
WOW.......this is actually quite sad because you are so wrapped up with beating me over the head with King James that you are blinded by your own ambitions. Disagree with me all you want Pariah. But for heaven sakes, don't judge me!! Have a great day
 

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Hi Jag!I thank the Lord for inspiring me to preach to goldy. I know that no matter how good the point is or the scriptures to drive the point home, it is God that causes the increase.I shall give the Lord all the glory if any catholic leaves the catholic church to have that relationship with God through Jesus Christ the Lord.1 Corinthians 3:5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.Matthew 10: 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.John 16: 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.2 Timothy 4: 1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. John 6: 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.Thus Jesus is the real soul winner here.Let us pray to the Lord for goldy and peacebewithyou since we agree of their need for the Lord's intervention in this matter for their deliverance from sinful practises that deny Him.Matthew 18: 19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
By the way Pariah, you are doing such a great job in preaching to me that you have actually affirmed my belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only church that contains the fullness of the truth and that Mary is deserving of my praise and honor. Thank you!!Seriously though, we can simply agree to disagree. Nothing or nobody will ever change my view of the Mother of God. I will honor Her until my last breath on earth. I seriously wish you felt the same way, but I realize I can't force my beliefs on others. I guess it's a weakness of mine. I simply love the Christ and His Mother so much, I sometimes forget that others have different viewpoints. My apologies. Have a blessed day
 

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Hi Jag!I thank the Lord for inspiring me to preach to goldy. I know that no matter how good the point is or the scriptures to drive the point home, it is God that causes the increase.I shall give the Lord all the glory if any catholic leaves the catholic church to have that relationship with God through Jesus Christ the Lord.1 Corinthians 3:5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.Matthew 10: 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.John 16: 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.2 Timothy 4: 1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. John 6: 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.Thus Jesus is the real soul winner here.Let us pray to the Lord for goldy and peacebewithyou since we agree of their need for the Lord's intervention in this matter for their deliverance from sinful practises that deny Him.Matthew 18: 19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
You are quite welcome Pariah. I agree that they certainly need delieverance. Roman Catholic teaching is so deceiving. Satan is a master deceiver and he's so well at twisting scriptures, so it's sad to see the world far from the truth...(goldy;22554)
WOW.......this is actually quite sad because you are so wrapped up with beating me over the head with King James that you are blinded by your own ambitions. Disagree with me all you want Pariah. But for heaven sakes, don't judge me!! Have a great day
Blinded? We aren't the one following the tradition of men. As Yahshua said many times, to ..."Be not deceived" And lastly, we aren't judging anyone souls. We are to examine the fruits if they are of God or not (Matthew 7:16-20)I love you goldy, but I hate the fact that you are practicing that is NOT of God.Jag
 

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You are quite welcome Pariah. I agree that they certainly need delieverance. Roman Catholic teaching is so deceiving. Satan is a master deceiver and he's so well at twisting scriptures, so it's sad to see the world far from the truth...Blinded? We aren't the one following the tradition of men. As Yahshua said many times, to ..."Be not deceived" And lastly, we aren't judging anyone souls. We are to examine the fruits if they are of God or not (Matthew 7:16-20)I love you goldy, but I hate the fact that you are practicing that is NOT of God.Jag
When I say yes to the Catholic Church, I say yes to Jesus Christ. When I say no to the Church, I'm saying no to Christ. Tradition of men? Come on Jag!! "And I say to you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build MY Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail. I will give YOU PETER the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven. Whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Very important.......the Church is JESUS' CHURCH, NOT PETER'S. Jag, if I give you the keys to my car, it's still MY car. But you can now do whatever you want with my car. Why did Jesus do this? I haven't a clue.What am I supposed to do Jag, just read the Bible to come to the fullness of truth? Even your bible says that the church is the pillar and bullwork of truth (1 Tim. 3:15). This isn't blind faith here. I follow the VISIBLE Church that is 2000 years old that Jesus owns but entrusted to Peter. Why do you think we know that Peter is our first pope?One quick comment about Mary: Did you know the very first Christian icon that is on record is a painting of Mary? Devotion to Mary dates back to the very first Christians. Did you know that Martin Luther believed in the Assumption and Immaculate Conception? It's true.....look it up.
 

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goldy,I leave the changing your point of view to the Lord. By the grace of God, I am sharing the scriptures to warn you out of love for you.You may take comfort in this, but there is more to this.John 6: And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.And yet it is written.... for the rapture event...Matthew 7:21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.So judgment is coming on the House of God first all because they did not heed His sayings1 Peter 4: 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?Wayward believers getting left behind are done so to chasten them.Hebrews 12: 5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.11Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. Thus the call to fear how you build on that faith in your relationship with Jesus.1 Corinthians 3: 10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon....13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are....21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; 22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.And yet you glory in Mary and other things. Thus the reason why wayward believers shall be left behind because they did not hear His voice nor build on their faith on hearing and doing His sayings. Thus we have them as the other sheep not of the fold that He has to bring... the foolish virgins that were not ready... the prodigal son that squandered his first inheritance in wild living... this is what that verse means below referring to the other sheep as being left behind because they did not hear His voice.John 10: 4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.....14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Weeping and gnashing of teeth will be so bad, the Lord has to wipe the tears from their eyes because their loss like Esau... will be so great.Revelations 7:16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.Don't settle for second best, goldy. Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. God is calling you out of the world into a real relationship with Him.2 Corinthians 6: 14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.May the Lord deliver you, hopefully sooner than later.
 

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Hi Jag, I thank the Lord for giving you the water to water as He gave me the seeds to sow in this thread. May the Lord cause the increase and deliver them before the doors are shut.Mayhap down the road, the Lord shall do it. We may not see it, but He shall do His work.
 

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To ALL Non-Catholics,See why we need to seperate from the Catholic Church?No honoring Mary lest we cause someone to stumble.No serving communion by calling the bread the Eucharist.No more reciting Catholic Creeds.No more use of the term sacrament in regards to ANYTHING.All of the above has been identifoed with dead works and thus we are to abstain from all appearances of evil. May the Lord help us all to do this so as to be found abiding in Him.I know there are many more apostasies out there, but in keeping in line with the thread's topic, this is more than enough reason why we need not honor Mary. Let us be seperate from the world.
 

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You are quite welcome Pariah. I agree that they certainly need delieverance. Roman Catholic teaching is so deceiving. Satan is a master deceiver and he's so well at twisting scriptures, so it's sad to see the world far from the truth...Blinded? We aren't the one following the tradition of men. As Yahshua said many times, to ..."Be not deceived" And lastly, we aren't judging anyone souls. We are to examine the fruits if they are of God or not (Matthew 7:16-20)I love you goldy, but I hate the fact that you are practicing that is NOT of God.Jag
When I say yes to the Catholic Church, I say yes to Jesus Christ. When I say no to the Church, I'm saying no to Christ. Tradition of men? Come on Jag!! "And I say to you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build MY Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail. I will give YOU PETER the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven. Whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Very important.......the Church is JESUS' CHURCH, NOT PETER'S.Jag, if I give you the keys to my car, it's still MY car. But you can now do whatever you want with my car. Why did Jesus do this? I haven't a clue.What am I supposed to do Jag, just read the Bible to come to the fullness of truth? Even your bible says that the church is the pillar and bullwork of truth (1 Tim. 3:15). This isn't blind faith here. I follow the VISIBLE Church that is 2000 years old that Jesus owns but entrusted to Peter. Why do you think we know that Peter is our first pope?One quick comment about Mary: Did you know the very first Christian icon that is on record is a painting of Mary? Devotion to Mary dates back to the very first Christians. Did you know that Martin Luther believed in the Assumption and Immaculate Conception? It's true.....look it up.Nowhere in the BIBLE will you find Peter being the first pope. The pope is clearly a type of antichrist.On another note, here is this scripture...II Corinthians 5:7 - (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)(Pariah;22589)
Hi Jag, I thank the Lord for giving you the water to water as He gave me the seeds to sow in this thread. May the Lord cause the increase and deliver them before the doors are shut.Mayhap down the road, the Lord shall do it. We may not see it, but He shall do His work.
I know He will. God is so wonderful. I'm just doing my job to serve Yahshua our Lord to the glory of YHWH. All we can do is plant the seed and water it. You are so welcome. Faith needs no special treatment.
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To ALL Non-Catholics,See why we need to seperate from the Catholic Church?No honoring Mary lest we cause someone to stumble.No serving communion by calling the bread the Eucharist.No more reciting Catholic Creeds.No more use of the term sacrament in regards to ANYTHING.All of the above has been identifoed with dead works and thus we are to abstain from all appearances of evil. May the Lord help us all to do this so as to be found abiding in Him.I know there are many more apostasies out there, but in keeping in line with the thread's topic, this is more than enough reason why we need not honor Mary. Let us be seperate from the world.
Again I agree 100% Pariah. Let us seperate from the world. (Romans 12:1-2) Let us come in unity of the faith. (Psalm 133:1, Ephesians 4:13) Yahshua is THE only way to Heaven. (John 14:6)JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
 

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To ALL Non-Catholics,See why we need to seperate from the Catholic Church?No honoring Mary lest we cause someone to stumble.No serving communion by calling the bread the Eucharist.No more reciting Catholic Creeds.No more use of the term sacrament in regards to ANYTHING.All of the above has been identifoed with dead works and thus we are to abstain from all appearances of evil. May the Lord help us all to do this so as to be found abiding in Him.I know there are many more apostasies out there, but in keeping in line with the thread's topic, this is more than enough reason why we need not honor Mary. Let us be seperate from the world.
Yeah, and the alternative is to become Protestant and rely on Sola Scriptura. Tell me, how has that worked out for all 33,000+ of your denominations? Thanks again for affirming me in my Catholic faith. I'll pray a rosary for you Pariah. God bless you. I'm officially finished with this thread. I'll start a new one Friday. Have a great night.
 

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Yeah, and the alternative is to become Protestant and rely on Sola Scriptura. Tell me, how has that worked out for all 33,000+ of your denominations? Thanks again for affirming me in my Catholic faith. I'll pray a rosary for you Pariah. God bless you. I'm officially finished with this thread. I'll start a new one Friday. Have a great night.
Let me remind you that God's Living Word has no denominations. And you are worshipping Him in vain. (Matthew 15:9) Even using in vain repetitions just like the heathen do. (Matthew 6:7)Jag
 

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Amen Jag!Anybody else in agreement, join the group hug!:grouphug: :sign:
I've been following this thread and feel even CLOSER to my non-denom church now! Jag, you are awesome in your explanations.Can I join the hug?!? :angel2:
 

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Amen Jag!Anybody else in agreement, join the group hug!:grouphug: :sign:
I've been following this thread and feel even CLOSER to my non-denom church now! Jag, you are awesome in your explanations.Can I join the hug?!? :angel2:You are welcome JUSTMEE. Just serving Lord Yahshua, as we all need the Truth to survived against Death (Satan) (Revelation 6:8) and ye, you can join in the HUGS group.Love you guys so much, from Jag.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Faithful,Are you then saying that someone can't lead another person to Christ? Think about all the people Mother Teresa, Billy Graham, etc. led to Christ? Of course that doesn't make them God or anything like that. But God works through people all the time. He spoke through people (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Moses, etc.) in the bible as well. Am I misunderstanding you here? How could the Mother of Jesus not bring people to Christ? But again, maybe I'm misunderstanding you here.
Hi Goldy,Your not remisunderstanding, for there is nothing in my post to give you reason for this type of thinking. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink. You can tell the gospel to anyone but only the Spirit can cause them to believe. And this was not what we were talking about. Clearly even you are sore pressed in that you cannot answer the things Christ said. I would say to check your teachings with the words of God and our Lord. If they do not match then get rid.Love Faithful.xxps I am jewish descent and I am not a JW or a Christadelphian.
 

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No serving communion by calling the bread the Eucharist..
The term "Eucharist" means Thanksgiving .... Thanksgiving for Christ's shed blood on the cross for our sins. It IS the actual body and blood, soul and divinity of Christ. This view was held by ALL Christians for over 1,600 years, until Satan was able deceive some Christians into believing that it wasn't the actual body & blood of their Lord. Sadly, this heresy has totally been embraced by the Protestant Chruches, despite what Jesus said: 51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. Saint Paul implied an identity between the apparent bread and wine of the Eucharist and the body and blood of Christ, when he wrote: "27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.So Pariah, because I believe Jesus, I am unwilling to give up the Eucharist. Many of His disciples walked aways saying this is too hard [to believe] John 6:6 - I will not be one of those. I am very sad for you that you do not get to receive the Savior in this way.
 

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.No more reciting Catholic Creeds.I know there are many more apostasies out there, but in keeping in line with the thread's topic, this is more than enough reason why we need not honor Mary. Let us be seperate from the world.
You consider these words "apostasies?" I consider them a beautiful summary of my faith and I can't help but smile knowing that over a billion people recite these beautiful words and believe them to be true. Satan would prefer they not be spoken or believed. The "world" would prefer that they not be spoken or believed. I'm sad that you also object. We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father; through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father [and the Son], who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
 

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What do you think you are each acheiving on this thread?Tell me if Jesus was reading this thread, what exactly do you think he would say to each one of you to do?Jesus said, If you love me, you will keep my commandments.1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, body, soul and strength.2. Love your neighbour as you love yourself. (Parable of the good Samaritan)In 1 Corinthians 13. Paul says we may be able to do all things as believers but without love we are nothing. In, 1 Corinthians 13:6 (King James Version) 6.Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;Love rejoiceth not in iniquity but in truth. I often wonder what you believe is the right way to learn truth. John 16:13 (King James Version)13.Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.1 John 2:27 (King James Version)27.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.Faith in Christ believes God and that the Spirit will come and teach everyone who obeys Christs commandments to love God and others.We have a duty not to believe everything we are told because so and so said it. But because Jesus or God said it. The prophets, Jesus all taught the same as Christ in their books. To love God and love others. The main theme from beginning to end of the bible.Why can you not work through these things together? Because to do that you must obey the word first. I would ask each one who you are taught by?Love Faithful.xx:)
 

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What do you think you are each acheiving on this thread?
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This thread, like all others is an exchange of ideas & opinions. I believe that the Catholic faith is 100% correct and most pleasing to God, and others obviously believe that their faith is correct and most pleasing to God. I'm not here to convert anyone. My purpose is two fold - I would like everyone to hear where I'm coming from - even if you don't agree - and I would like to better understand your position as it differs from mine. We may disagree about many things - but I am certain we agree on Jesus, our Savior. So for His sake, we should probably try to get along. I apprecite this forum in particular because it appears that everyone sticks to the topic at hand and doesn't turn it into some sort of personal attack on those who'd disagree with them. You asked who I am taught by? My answer would be the Holy Spirit, of course.