Christians with bullhorns?

snr5557 · Apr 7, 2014

KingJ said:
So the purpose in repeating yourself 3 times is to discuss noise levels....

Did you miss my lotto example? Did you miss my first post? Do you know that in general sporting events are loud? Tell me how do you perceive '''repent and confess your sins'' at ANY noise level as beaten down? verbally abused?

That was the entire point. They were being obnoxious with how loud they were being. That is all we wanted to say. The method is wrong, the message is right.

They were outside. And if people could hear others singing gospels songs at a much lower sound and still be heard and be effective at what they were trying to do, then I assume the other group could as well. Yelling so loud at people that they become is annoyed is not right.

That last part had more to do with your behavior. I should have seperated that from everything else, sorry. You are aggressive in almost every thread I have seen you in, and I honestly do not see the point. If you loose your temper sometimes fine, I do that sometimes. We're both human. But you always seem to be this way, and to what end? Does the same message with aggression make your points any stronger?

ChristianJuggarnaut · Apr 7, 2014

SNR,

Aggression is a defense mechanism we have evolved with over billions of years.

Some individuals in a species group (hominids for example) are intimidated by aggressive behavior and will bend to the aggressors will.

Therefore, if the outcome is positive, who are you to question the method?

We dance to our DNA SNR. Listen to the music, dance my friend dance..........

snr5557 · Apr 7, 2014

I don't entirely agree, but at least you accept evolution. What made you change your mind? Just curious.

River Jordan · Apr 7, 2014

I guess we should all try the KingJ method of sharing the gospel....go up to random people on the street, get right in their ear and shout as loud as you can "JESUS LOVES YOU!! REPENT!!!"

Yoda47 · Apr 7, 2014

snr5557 said:
Ok, I can tell you are being sarcastic, so I will take it as a yes that you want people to become Christians. Good.

Now, do you think that people enjoy being yelled at? I know that you were taught about Christianity through a cane from a nun, but do you think that the average person wants to be beaten down, verbally or physically?

That last sentence was very disturbing, at least to me. You cannot seriously want to stab them with a sword? And, do you honestly think that Jesus will not do what is right? Do you think that you are more righteous than Jesus is?

I think Jesus would want me to pick up his sword and fight for righteous in this world! He saith to me in a dream i need to cut all the demons down to hell once again where they belong. I will not say no to my Master Jeshua, i will not destroy our bond

ChristianJuggarnaut · Apr 7, 2014

Jeshua is a mish mash of the Greek name for Jesus and the Hebrew Yeshua name for Jesus.

I have never heard it before.

I am pretty sure Jesus Yeshua did tell His followers "not" to take up the sword. He said that if He wanted He could command an army of Angels to lay waste upon His enemies.

Check your dreams and see from whence they come.

aspen · Apr 7, 2014

the antidote to sin is not scripture. it is applied scripture, which is loving God and neighbor. loving outwardly perfectly makes it impossible to sin. we will perfect this in heaven, but it requires practice here on Earth. Sarcasm, condemnation, and hate speech are antichrist - even if you justify it.

KingJ · Apr 8, 2014

snr5557 said:
That last part had more to do with your behavior. I should have seperated that from everything else, sorry. You are aggressive in almost every thread I have seen you in, and I honestly do not see the point. If you loose your temper sometimes fine, I do that sometimes. We're both human. But you always seem to be this way, and to what end? Does the same message with aggression make your points any stronger?

I think you mistake assertive for agressive. I also think you are naively judging me off the evolution, homosexaul and this Christian bashing thread.

I am open to correction SNR. But not from someone I don't respect. If a mod or a few respected Christians here echoed your judgement, I would judge myself harsher. No Christian is beyond correction and rebuke. We love it! It is a blessing for brethren to take the effort to make us a better person.

aspen said:
the antidote to sin is not scripture. it is applied scripture, which is loving God and neighbor. loving outwardly perfectly makes it impossible to sin. we will perfect this in heaven, but it requires practice here on Earth. Sarcasm, condemnation, and hate speech are antichrist - even if you justify it.

There are many parts to the body Aspen. Those Bullhorn Christians are doing there part. You and River perform other duties. Don't attack other body parts!

Don't mistake preaching scripture 'as is' for hate speech either.

Mr.Bride · Apr 8, 2014

Hey River, Snr

If Jesus would come with a whip, flippin' over all your possessions, would you say he was 'angry' or being 'aggressive'?

I can hear you now River. 'What happened to you in life that made you so angry?'

P.s. You think He woulda been whispering?

snr5557 · Apr 8, 2014

Mr.Bride said:
Hey River, Snr

If Jesus would come with a whip, flippin' over all your possessions, would you say he was 'angry' or being 'aggressive'?

I can hear you now River. 'What happened to you in life that made you so angry?'

P.s. You think He woulda been whispering?

He's exempt seeing as He is the son of God. Since God can experience the emotion wrath against humanity and kill us if He chose to, I assume Jesus can as well. Jesus chose not to kill us since that would be immoral, but I doubt He would want us to cause harm to others. I think the only way to be able to be wrathful against others is to be blameless before God, which no one here can do.

When did we say to whisper? Again other Christians were doing good things, still being heard, and not being obnoxious. Extremely loud and whispering are not the only volumes humans are capable of.

Mr.Bride · Apr 8, 2014

Do you see what you wrote? "Since God can experience the emotion wrath against humanity and kill us if He chose to, I assume Jesus can as well. Jesus chose not to kill us since that would be immoral" ??

That doesn't make sense. Conflicting isn't it? Don't assume Snr.

Do we not have the mind of Christ? Phillipians 2:5

Do you not know that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? 1 John 4:2-3

And where did "wrath" come from? For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.. Psalm 69:9

Are we not the light of the world? John 8:12

I and my Father are one. John 10:30

Is this clear enough for you?

Blameless??Ephesians 1:4, Philipians 2:15 Come on now... This thing gets deep... The Living Word... No play play.. More real than anything you know. You'll see yourself clear as day. Sharper than a two-edged sword... Cuts to and fro.. My o my

snr5557 · Apr 9, 2014

Mr.Bride said:
Do you see what you wrote? "Since God can experience the emotion wrath against humanity and kill us if He chose to, I assume Jesus can as well. Jesus chose not to kill us since that would be immoral" ??

That doesn't make sense. Conflicting isn't it? Don't assume Snr.

Do we not have the mind of Christ? Phillipians 2:5

Do you not know that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? 1 John 4:2-3

And where did "wrath" come from? For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.. Psalm 69:9

Are we not the light of the world? John 8:12

I and my Father are one. John 10:30

Is this clear enough for you?

Blameless??Ephesians 1:4, Philipians 2:15 Come on now... This thing gets deep... The Living Word... No play play.. More real than anything you know. You'll see yourself clear as day. Sharper than a two-edged sword... Cuts to and fro.. My o my

Well I believe in the trinity, so to me although they are distinct they are all the same. It's kind of hard to explain. But if you're more of a moralist or pluralist ot something then what I said would not make sense.

There's a whole thread on whether the trinity is true or not, you should check it out.

I just don't see Jesus as an obnoxious person. He called for us to be nice to others, so I don't know why you want the opposite.

KingJ · Apr 9, 2014

snr5557 said:
I just don't see Jesus as an obnoxious person. He called for us to be nice to others, so I don't know why you want the opposite.

Of course Jesus is not obnoxious and nor was the noise. Sporting events are loud. All Christians are approachable. All Christians will consider the noise. There is a balance. As I said in my first post, I bet against full disclosure.

If Jesus was there the whole event would cease and Jesus be given center stage. Most would be demanding a miracle or sign. Jesus would get annoyed with their hearts and rebuke the lot. He would shout from the pulpit that most are of their father the devil and need to repent. Then He will walk away and many who agree with Him or who want a miracle will follow. Then when they meet somewhere in a field, Jesus can talk at a reasonable volume and share the gospel whilst smiling and hugging people (being nice).

How would you propose witnessing / preaching at a sporting event? You don't think a sporting event is a prime target to reach the unsaved?

Paul would be a bullhorn Christian imho

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snr5557 · Apr 9, 2014

KingJ said:
Of course Jesus is not obnoxious and nor was the noise. Sporting events are loud. All Christians are approachable. All Christians will consider the noise. There is a balance. As I said in my first post, I bet against full disclosure.

If Jesus was there the whole event would cease and Jesus be given center stage. Most would be demanding a miracle or sign. Jesus would get annoyed with their hearts and rebuke the lot. He would shout from the pulpit that most are of their father the devil and need to repent. Then He will walk away and many who agree with Him or who want a miracle will follow. Then when they meet somewhere in a field where there is no mic, Jesus can talk at a reasonable volume and share the gospel whilst smiling and hugging people (being nice).

How would YOU propose witnessing / preaching at a sporting event? You don't think a sporting event is a prime target to reach the unsaved?

Paul would be a bullhorn Christian imho .

I don't have anything against being loud enough to hear, seeing as other groups were able to be heard without being obnoxious. So explain to me, if other groups can be heard and not be so loud that one can barely hear, why could that one Christian group not do the same? Jesus was loud enough to be heard, but I don't remember Him as so loud that it caused people to not br able to hear what was around them. People were upset with the message, but not the volume. But my memory is not the most amazing, so where does it say His voice was so loud that it irritated everyone around Him?

KingJ · Apr 9, 2014

Have you ever used a bullhorn? It is hard to judge the noise level as a speaker not in the audience. Then there is acoustics...sitting in front can be loud and at the back quiet.

You keep harping on the noise issue. Are you really that naive to not see further motivation for this thread?

Please discern that my irritation in this thread is for disapproval of Christian bashing. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. But it is hard when you do not discern and seem to always sit in the wrong camp.

River Jordan · Apr 9, 2014

Mr.Bride said:
Hey River, Snr

If Jesus would come with a whip, flippin' over all your possessions, would you say he was 'angry' or being 'aggressive'?

I can hear you now River. 'What happened to you in life that made you so angry?'

P.s. You think He woulda been whispering?

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that the bullhorn Christians are the same as Jesus Christ and their behavior cannot be questioned?

KingJ said:
There are many parts to the body Aspen. Those Bullhorn Christians are doing there part. You and River perform other duties. Don't attack other body parts!

It is soooooooooo funny to see you post that, apparently without even a single bit of self-realization of its irony.

KingJ said:
Of course Jesus is not obnoxious and nor was the noise. Sporting events are loud. All Christians are approachable. All Christians will consider the noise. There is a balance. As I said in my first post, I bet against full disclosure.

It's so interesting to see the fundamentalist mind at work. The description of events isn't in line with what you want to believe? Well, then someone must be lying, because certainly you can't be wrong!

It's like, when reality doesn't mesh with want you want, just deny that reality and create your own!

How would you propose witnessing / preaching at a sporting event? You don't think a sporting event is a prime target to reach the unsaved?

I already posted about how other Christians were able to witness in a more positive and less annoying fashion. Oh, but I'm probably lying about that too, huh?

Please discern that my irritation in this thread is for disapproval of Christian bashing.

Oh the irony......no KingJ, you never, ever bash other Christians, do you?

So do you think at the next match I go to, I should follow strangers around and get as close to their ear as I can and yell at the top of my lungs, "JESUS LOVES YOU"? Do you think that would be effective?

KingJ · Apr 9, 2014

River Jordan said:
It is soooooooooo funny to see you post that, apparently without even a single bit of self-realization of its irony.

River, lets deal with this properly.

When I rebuke or correct you I do it from scripture. Anything else is to attack and destroy you. That has never been my intention. I have swayed off course at times with sarcasm, but always been first to apologize.

Right now, I do not judge you as evil. But I do judge you as a fool. You naively bash Christians and scripture on a Christian site.

Now you are entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to voice your thoughts. But being a Christian should prompt restraint and extreme humility on all matters that conflict with scripture or do damage to fellow brethren. 1 Chron 6:22 Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm.

I have judged myself for sarcasm toward you and find myself exempt due to your constant atheist-like reasoning. You seem to moving toward false teacher more everyday. Have you judged yourself?

River Jordan · Apr 9, 2014

KingJ said:
River, lets deal with this properly.

When I rebuke or correct you I do it from scripture. Anything else is to attack and destroy you. That has never been my intention. I have swayed off course at times with sarcasm, but always been first to apologize.

LOL! So when you accuse me of lying in this thread, you're doing so from scripture. Hilarious. :lol:

Right now, I do not judge you as evil. But I do judge you as a fool. You naively bash Christians and scripture on a Christian site.

And of course what you do to other Christians on Christian sites is completely different, right? Sure.....

Now you are entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to voice your thoughts. But being a Christian should prompt restraint and extreme humility on all matters that conflict with scripture or do damage to fellow brethren. 1 Chron 6:22 Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm.

I have judged myself for sarcasm toward you and find myself exempt due to your constant atheist-like reasoning. You seem to moving toward false teacher more everyday. Have you judged yourself?

Oh my goodness.....the irony....the total lack of self-awareness....unbelievable. :blink:

KingJ · Apr 9, 2014

River, you have never got anything but sarcasm and insults for those that disagree with you. I have on plenty occasions tried to take discussion with you seriously but it always ends up in me feeling like I just got trolled.

Now, if your views were pro scripture or threads uplifting, I would be the first to eat my counter sarcasm. But they are not.

Your sarcasm and insults are reminiscent of a cornered animal trying to hold onto its atheist-like bone.

LOL! So when you accuse me of lying in this thread, you're doing so from scripture. Hilarious. :lol:

Indeed! From a scriptural understanding of what goes through the heart of a Christian who does public speaking.

And of course what you do to other Christians on Christian sites is completely different, right? Sure.....

You and other atheists are the only people I have 'bashed'. Wolves are generally disliked by sheep.

Oh my goodness.....the irony....the total lack of self-awareness....unbelievable. :blink:

I have yet to see a single Christ like apology initiated by you toward any member that you have insulted.

River Jordan · Apr 9, 2014

KingJ said:
Your sarcasm and insults are reminiscent of a cornered animal trying to hold onto its atheist-like bone...Indeed! From a scriptural understanding of what goes through the heart of a Christian who does public speaking...You and other atheists are the only people I have 'bashed'. Wolves are generally disliked by sheep.

And now you accuse me of being some sort of undercover atheist. Unbelievable. I really wonder what has happened to you to turn you into such a suspicious, angry, hateful person.

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