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True story,A deacon at a church in Birmingham, Alabama was caught committing adultery by his wife. She went to the pastor of the church. The pastor replied, "This was wrong, but it doesn't affect his salvation." What is everyone's opinion about this? Does this deacon need to repent to be saved? I'm assuming he had already accepted Jesus as his personal lord and savior into his heart. Is he free to do as he wishes? Not trying to start a heated argument.....just wanting opinions.
 

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He needs to repent. This link explains.http://www.christianityboard.com/justifica...some-t3607.htmlIf we could lose our salvation, every one of us would. The question is not whether or not one can lose salvation, but whether or not our professed faith is genuine, thereby making our salvation sure in Christ Jesus by His imputed righteousness. You shall know them by their fruit. If our faith is not genuine, this will manifest itself, then the only thing that has been gained, and then lost, is our own self deception. Good works cannot cause salvation, but will be one of the evidences to show whether or not our prfessed faith is genuine. Example: How can one lose something that he has never had? The mark of a genuine faith is perseverance. If you don't persevere, you have lost nothing, but the reality about yourself has been manifested.I would say that at the very least that man has reason to be very concerned. Dave
 

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He needs to repent. This link explains.http://www.christianityboard.com/justifica...some-t3607.htmlIf we could lose our salvation, every one of us would. The question is not whether or not one can lose salvation, but whether or not our professed faith is genuine, thereby making our salvation sure in Christ Jesus by His imputed righteousness. You shall know them by their fruit. If our faith is not genuine, this will manifest itself, then the only thing that has been gained, and then lost, is our own self deception. Good works cannot cause salvation, but will be one of the evidences to show whether or not our prfessed faith is genuine. Example: How can one lose something that he has never had? The mark of a genuine faith is perseverance. If you don't persevere, you have lost nothing, but the truth about yourself that has been manifested.I would say that at the very least that man has reason to be very concerned. Dave
How does a person know if he was truly sincere when he asked Jesus to be his Savior, thus giving him saving faith? Our heart can trick us - maybe a person thought he was sincere but he actually wasn't? If it were me, I would constantly worry that I "thought" I was sincere, but actually I wasn't. It seems as if the burdern is placed upon us and we'd be constantly second guessing our own sincerity. Did I mean it? I thought I meant it. But did I REALLY REALLY mean it? I don't believe that. I believe that faith is a gift from God. It's not something I "do" sincerely or not on my own. It's something God has given me. And to say that only a person who persevers HAD the "saving faith" seems so limited. What about Peter? He believed in Jesus, and then he denied even knowing him 3 times. After any one of those times, someone could say he did not "persevere in his faith" so does that mean that he didn't have true Faith to begin with? Or is it more accurate to say that he had faith, but he stumbled, he sinned, he fell, and he repented God forgave him? I think we all need to persevere & continue to "work out" our salvation as Paul said,Philippians 2:12 says, "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and tremblingIf the Apostle Paul did not have an "assurance of salvation" who are we to say that we do?
 

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How does a person know if he was truly sincere when he asked Jesus to be his Savior, thus giving him saving faith?

If the Apostle Paul did not have an "assurance of salvation" who are we to say that we do?
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.And the Holy Spirit will give us confidense in God's promises. --------------------------------------------------------Put this...
I would constantly worry that I "thought" I was sincere, but actually I wasn't. It seems as if the burdern is placed upon us and we'd be constantly second guessing our own sincerity. Did I mean it? I thought I meant it. But did I REALLY REALLY mean it?
with this...
Philippians 2:12 says, "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
This is why Paul tells us to check ourselves daily. We are checking ourselves against self deception. It also important not to forget the rest of that passage in Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.--------------------------------------------------------
I believe that faith is a gift from God. It's not something I "do" sincerely or not on my own. It's something God has given me.
I agree.
I think we all need to persevere & continue to "work out" our salvation as Paul said,
I agree.God blessDave
 

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There is no such thing as once saved always saved We are saved by grace how do we claim that grace by accepting that Christ is our saviorand by repenting of our sins. We must repent to be under his grace If makes no difference the state of your mind when you accepted Christ as you re-affirm your faith in him everytime you repent in his name. If you don't repent believing you are still covered no matter what sins you have committed you are mistaken.Example:If Satanist claimed a believe in Christ once then reverted back to Satanism if you think God is going to just over look him forsaking him to go back to worshiping a false god. WRONG ! this would be a form of blaspheme and though it is a forgivable sin you must re affirm your believe by asking for the forgiveness to be able to claim his graceOnce saved always saved is a doctrine of men
 

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.... and though it is a forgivable sin you must re affirm your believe by asking for the forgiveness to be able to claim his graceOnce saved always saved is a doctrine of men
Wow Kriss ~ you are closer to being Catholic than you think! (lol! only kidding with ya!)
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There is no such thing as once saved always saved We are saved by grace how do we claim that grace by accepting that Christ is our saviorand by repenting of our sins. We must repent to be under his grace If makes no difference the state of your mind when you accepted Christ as you re-affirm your faith in him everytime you repent in his name. If you don't repent believing you are still covered no matter what sins you have committed you are mistaken.Example:If Satanist claimed a believe in Christ once then reverted back to Satanism if you think God is going to just over look him forsaking him to go back to worshiping a false god. WRONG ! this would be a form of blaspheme and though it is a forgivable sin you must re affirm your believe by asking for the forgiveness to be able to claim his graceOnce saved always saved is a doctrine of men
I agree with you 100% Kriss. You know this semi-topic here, reminds me of another thread a while back. I hope not to have this same thing repeated like the very long one we have...If we must...we must. No OSAS. It's not of God.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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True story,A deacon at a church in Birmingham, Alabama was caught committing adultery by his wife. She went to the pastor of the church. The pastor replied, "This was wrong, but it doesn't affect his salvation." What is everyone's opinion about this? Does this deacon need to repent to be saved? I'm assuming he had already accepted Jesus as his personal lord and savior into his heart. Is he free to do as he wishes? Not trying to start a heated argument.....just wanting opinions.
Who's to say he was ever saved in the first place? I once heard of a deacon who was very active in his church and was even a soul winner. On his deathbed he admitted that he had never been saved. Being a deacon doesn't guarantee that a person is saved.
 

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Who's to say he was ever saved in the first place? I once heard of a deacon who was very active in his church and was even a soul winner. On his deathbed he admitted that he had never been saved. Being a deacon doesn't guarantee that a person is saved.
Very true - being a "Deacon" does not guarantee a person is saved. But for the sake of argument, let's assume that he was a believer. Let's assume he HAD given his life to Christ, and served Him faithfully for years. And then let's assume that for whatever reason, he decided to have an affair. Despite knowing it was wrong & feeling convicted by the Holy Spirit, he decides what the heck, I deserve some happiness so he goes for it. Then what? Does that have any effect on the state of his soul? What if he dies before he repents.. ?
 

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Wow Kriss ~ you are closer to being Catholic than you think! (lol! only kidding with ya!)
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I dont have a problem with all catholic doctrine just aspects of it:)with this I concur:)
 

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True story,A deacon at a church in Birmingham, Alabama was caught committing adultery by his wife. She went to the pastor of the church. The pastor replied, "This was wrong, but it doesn't affect his salvation." What is everyone's opinion about this? Does this deacon need to repent to be saved? I'm assuming he had already accepted Jesus as his personal lord and savior into his heart. Is he free to do as he wishes? Not trying to start a heated argument.....just wanting opinions.
I follow the rule of Love, because I believe our Lord has alreadyabolished the Law and Commandments.“by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,” (Ephesians 2:15)"Yes, to this day whenever Moses is reada veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord,the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit,and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."(2 Corinthians 3:15-17)“This is the covenant that I will make with themafter those days, declares the Lord:I will put my laws on their hearts,and write them on their minds,” (Hebrews 10:16)Church of Love in Jesus Christhttp://christiansite.multiply.com/journal
 

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Well actually "Once Saved Always Saved" is appropriate,but once someone falls short it does bring their salvations into questions."Many will call Ma Lord Lord,and I will say to them depart from Me I knew you not"but we must give the benefit of the doubt in that Paul said"All things are lawful to me,but not all things are profitable".Gods chosen still have a tendency to be selfish,Adultry is a selfish act,all sin is selfishness.Repentance comes from the conviction of the Holy Spirit and very often even a believer will ignore such conviction.If you are a believer(speaking to everyone) think of how often you sin,your salvation is not based on what you do,but on what God has done for you.Look at Abraham,he sinned but yet he was considered the friend of God.David was the perfect example of the imperfect believer,he sinned perhaps more than all of us together.Look at Paul,he openly admitted that he does the things he shouldnt do and does not do the things he should,he admitted to being a sinner and he repeatedly asked God to take away his problem,God responded"My grace is sufficient for thee".As has been pointed out often around here,Scripture interprits Scripture.As a believer you know your relationship with God,but you still have doubts,we all do.It is possible the Deacon fell into temptation and needs helps to turn from it,it is also possible he was not really a believer.Look around sometime at your own Church and ask yourself the question,Who is real and who is pretending,it is hard to tell sometimes but only God knows our hearts.
 

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Nice post Robin. I agree that the phrase "once saved always saved" is accurate, but many straw man arguments are read into it. I personally don't like the phrase because it is loved by those who need the straw man to argue against. Only antinomianism believes that after innicial faith, a person can live any way they want to afterwards and still be saved. This is obviously unbiblical. But this is the straw man used as a scare tactic to sway people.Most people on both sides of this debate believe in personal holiness. The difference is what each puts their trust in. Dave
 

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I follow the rule of Love, because I believe our Lord have alreadyabolished the Law and Commandments.“by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,” (Ephesians 2:15)"Yes, to this day whenever Moses is reada veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord,the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit,and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."(2 Corinthians 3:15-17)“This is the covenant that I will make with themafter those days, declares the Lord:I will put my laws on their hearts,and write them on their minds,” (Hebrews 10:16)Church of Love in Jesus Christhttp://christiansite.multiply.com/journal
The Law has never been abolished the ordinances, and statutes have been But never the Law in fact Christ says he comes not to change one iota of the Law but to fulfill it and it is not completely fulfilled until this earth age is done.Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 

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Once Save Always Saved is accurately incorrect. It is a bunch of feel good doctrine, made up with lies.Deuteronomy 6:5 - And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.Deuteronomy 11:22 - For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;Joshua 22:5 - But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.And what happen if a person truly hate YHWH and Yahshua, and don't follow His ways, but their own, although they say they used to be Christians? Are they still saved? The problem here is not God, this is what man here to reject the offer from God of what God has promised to mankind. God can not break promises, but man surely can. OSAS is out of hand.Jag
 

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The Law has never been abolished the ordinances, and statutes have been But never the Law in fact Christ says he comes not to change one iota of the Law but to fulfill it and it is not completely fulfilled until this earth age is done.Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
I guess the Law now has a new meaning.
 

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"What is everyone's opinion about this? Does this deacon need to repent to be saved? I'm assuming he had already accepted Jesus as his personal lord and savior into his heart. Is he free to do as he wishes?"I think that is up to the LORD. I don't know the deacon or his personal life history. His wife could be lieing to destroy his reputation. Only God knows what really happened and all we can do is love the deacon and his wife even in conflict.. by not judging them but praying that the Lord will heal and bless them both. He is all powerful and has the ability to take care of ALL of HIS CHILDREN...regardless of what they do. Man does not have the ability to judge like OUR LORD does....so I say let's leave that part up to HIM and do our part by praying and asking OUR GOD to heal all our brothers and sisters.That's my thoughts on the matter. Love to you and thank you for your post.
 

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We are not yet saved .Isnt it the promise of salvation once we die? And communion with God while we live? IF we live the way are supposed to and repent for any wrong doing(sin against our father). Ingrafted Branches 11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring! 13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. 22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree
 

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Hi people, just thought I'd drop in and share some things-Once saved always saved- "Nope"- Heb. 6:4-6, also- In the latter days, some shall depart from the faith- This tells us some will at some point leave Christianity. (You can't leave something honestly if don't already belong to it).Once saved, committing sin makes thier Salvation questionable. No-Thats a lie of Satan. Only Satan would have a True Child of God question wether still belongs to God after sinning. Why?God declares for His Children, the judgement Day for us will not be of Salvation, but of "works" for treasures stored up. God declares, even if all works for a Child of His should burn up, they will still enter Heaven being saved, just with no treasures stored up is all."IF Grace be of Grace, then works is no more works. But if works be of works, then Grace is no more Grace and Jesus Christ died on the cross in vain."God declares that no man, no not one is worthy of Salvation. Thus, it is by Grace- (unmerited favor) God Gifts those who repent and accept Christ as Lord and Savior who will recieve it. But, sinning will not cause us to lose it either. Unless, we turn from God totally and no longer believe or follow Him.God knows man is falable and still deals with a "carnal nature" after being reborn, this is why we need to repent for sins we commit. But if not, we don't lose Salvation, but treasures stored up. If did, how would we explain "works" being the pivotal point of keeping or losing Salvation? When we are saved by "Grace".Heb. 6:4-6 was written by Paul to Hebrew Jews who had been born and grew up sacrificing animals, then changed over when Christ was here believing in Him, but then after Christ was gone from earth, they fell away, back to animal sacrificing. They had belonged to God by the New Covenant, (How can they be renewed unto repentance having crucified to themselves the Son of God afresh and put Him to an open shame). But, they made the choice to turn away from believing in the Shed Blood of Christ themselves.Does the Deacon need to repent to be saved? From what, his sin of adultery or for recieving Salvation? Not if already saved and comitted sin, but if unsaved yes.Anyone who thinks we can lose Salvation on the basis of comitting sin, remember what Christ said when a crowd of people chased the adulteress over to a wall to stone her. They asked Christ what He thought-Jesus said- "He who hath no sin, cast the first stone". Jesus forgave her of sins comitted, but also told her, "go and sin no more"- (repentance- turning away from sin). But, this by no means, should she have fallen into sin later, mean't she was no longer acceptable again.God declares, if any have broken one Commandment, they have broken them all. I have, I'm a sinner, yet God has had me a Minister for almost 30 years now. So, have I lost Salvation for having sinned? No. Yes, I've repented of them, but know as well, during my life before recieving Salvation, there are sins I've comitted I can't think of or remember. Has that condemned me? No, nor have the sins I have comitted since recieving Salvation. God declares we are to grow from milk drinker's in Christ to meat eaters in Him. That means time and patience to grow stronger and sin less. Don't ever judge anyone else by thier sins if are unsaved or not. Everyone has weak points Satan can attack and make them stumble or fall. If do, get up to your knees, repent, then stand up again for God, shake the dust off and go on, working not to fall to that sin again.God Bless!!
 

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JESUS being LORD is a pre condition of salvation, if He is then the once saved always saved question is a non starter?Jesus is the savior but He is the "LORD" to receive salvation one must confess Jesus as Lord.The man needs to repent and confess Jesus as Lord, if he’s already done that then how do you explain his actions?