What is the purpose of Grace?

Episkopos said:

There's nothing really to say to people who consider themselves to be the chosen of God. Logic will not suffice. The bible will not suffice. Once a person has been lifted up in the outer man, there is no hearing of humility or the fear of the Lord. Let them be.

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Shaking my head. Here is who God chooses:

1Co 1:26-29

For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence.

Episkopos said:

In this episode we explore the purpose of grace and by extension the purpose of salvation. Is the prime directive of the gospel that God fulfill our desires or that we meet His?

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Did you provide the definition of grace the Lord gives us in His Word?

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly,
righteously, and godly, in this present world

Here's a couple of warnings given about grace to be ware of.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this
condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and
denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:1,2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Episkopos said:

They don't enter the kingdom themselves and they try stopping others from exercising the kind of faith it takes to get noticed by God.

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That's exactly what the fake grace teachers do

Grailhunter said:

So what I get from that is....Blah blah, you do not believe in an eternal fiery torment. You have to be honest with people, not tap dance around the question.

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There's quite alot of annihilationism teaching going around these days which is of course heresy

Lizbeth said:

Shaking my head. Here is who God chooses:

1Co 1:26-29

For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence.

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and yet again read what he wrote . And see that it is HE who is guilty of what he accuses us of being .
HE the one who acts like he is the great power of God with great and mighty spiritual wisdom .
And yet uses this wisdom to NEGATE THE FACT ONE MUST FIRST BLEIEVE ON JESUS . the man is lost sister .
The HIC is strong on that one . He d oes by his own power but will never attain to what he beleives HE has attained too sister .
Pray hard for his repentance and continue to expose the works of inclusivity and preach ONLY JESUS .
AND ALL THINGS HE DID teach and later the aposetles did . many add too and many take from . And that will
be their destruction on the DAY OF GOD ALL MIGHTY and THE LAMB when all stand before Him and the goats begin to wail .

Scooter Jackson said:

Did you provide the definition of grace the Lord gives us in His Word?

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly,
righteously, and godly, in this present world

Here's a couple of warnings given about grace to be ware of.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this
condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and
denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:1,2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?




That's exactly what the fake grace teachers do

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there is a false grace all right . the hyper grace ones preach it
AND SO TOO does anyone who removes THE DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON JESUS .
BOTH SIDES are and have been decieved . SOON all not in the lambs book of life
will have merged as one under false love , under inclusivity and the all inclusive god .
Every religion will bow before it and believe it is love and is of GOD and is his plan for world peace .
AND all within christendom who rejected , denied CHRIST JESUS whether in lip or in heart WILL merge with them as one .
ALL beleiving THIS IS LOVE , all beleiving THIS IS GOD , all beleiving THIS is the means by which to attain global peace .
AND YET ALL OF IT was OF SATAN . we are all BEING DEICEVED BY ALL SIDES NOW .
oPEN THAT BIBLE AND LET US G ET BACK INT O THOSE PAGES FOR OURSELVES .

Scooter Jackson said:

There's quite alot of annihilationism teaching going around these days which is of course heresy

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THERE is a lot more than that going around as well .
What would you do if it told you that SATAN himself can say GOD IS LOVE
and yet all along by means of his inclusive and eucmiencal love HE LED THEM ALL ASTRAY and into REBELLION
against the ONE TRUE AND ONLY GOD AND HIS CHRIST that could have saved them .
JESUS IS NOT MINSTIR TO ANY SIN
NOR TO UNBLEIF IN HIM EITHER .

Episkopos said:

If people want to tilt the balance in their favour while ignoring all the warnings in the bible...that's on them. What I object to is that they try to teach others the same lies and errors. They don't enter the kingdom themselves and they try stopping others from exercising the kind of faith it takes to get noticed by God.

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I don't see anything wrong Lizbeth believes. But you have something against her and it is personal. That's not holy.

This is how REAL holiness looks like, the prophet Isaiah and his encounter with the Lord.

Jes 6:1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple.
Jes 6:2 Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.
Jes 6:3 And one called to another and said: “Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!”
Jes 6:4 And the foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who called, and the house was filled with smoke.
Jes 6:5 And I said: “Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts!”
Jes 6:6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a burning coal that he had taken with tongs from the altar.
Jes 6:7 And he touched my mouth and said: “Behold, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away, and your sin atoned for.”

Unclean lips.

How about that for a warning.