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KingJ · May 5, 2014

KJW47 just 7 questions if you don't mind. I respect the fact that you talk respectfully here and take your belief seriously. 1 Cor 11:30 and 2 Phil 2:12 are surely two verses you don't ignore.

1. Is the state of the trinity churches not evidence of attack from the devil?
2. Can I forfeit my position in the 'little flock'? Wouldn't that be noble and prompt God to make extra room?
3. How is God impartial if He foreknew 144 000 would be with Him.
4. Why do you serve a God that everyone except JW's would judge as evil? Partial = evil.
5. Will we who are stuck on earth not be able to research / perfect space travel and visit the rest of Heaven?
6. How do you bypass the verse by Paul that refers to all who accept Jesus in Rev 3:20, is a royal priesthood that will reign with Him 1 Pet 2:9.
7. Why were there no disclaimers by John in John 3:16? The whosever will, limited to 144 000 that will reign and the remainder be on Earth. This verse knocks Calvinism and imho JW too.

kjw47 · May 5, 2014

KingJ said:
KJW47 just 7 questions if you don't mind. I respect the fact that you talk respectfully here and take your belief seriously. 1 Cor 11:30 and 2 Phil 2:12 are surely two verses you don't ignore.

1. Is the state of the trinity churches not evidence of attack from the devil?
2. Can I forfeit my position in the 'little flock'? Wouldn't that be noble and prompt God to make extra room?
3. How is God impartial if He foreknew 144 000 would be with Him.
4. Why do you serve a God that everyone except JW's would judge as evil? Partial = evil.
5. Will we who are stuck on earth not be able to research / perfect space travel and visit the rest of Heaven?
6. How do you bypass the verse by Paul that refers to all who accept Jesus in Rev 3:20, is a royal priesthood that will reign with Him 1 Pet 2:9.
7. Why were there no disclaimers by John in John 3:16? The whosever will, limited to 144 000 that will reign and the remainder be on Earth. This verse knocks Calvinism and imho JW too.

1) I believe satan owns all trinity churches
2)Judas forfeited his. I am sure others have as well
3) There is only need for 144,000 in heaven--these will serve as kings and priests alongside of Jesus--this is the little flock--the bride of Christ
4) Mortals have little clue--God knows exactly what is best.
5) ? it would be a guess by anyone at this point.
6)rev 3:20--is about an evening meal.-- 1 pet 2:9--- the royal priesthood = the anointed--not the great crowd of other sheep.
7: John3:16---says 0 about where anyone will be.--Jesus taught--Happy are the meek for they will inherit the earth( this is to the great crowd)--the psalmist wrote---The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it.

ENOCH2010 · May 5, 2014

kjw47 which tribe do you belong to?

KingJ · May 6, 2014

kjw47 said:
1) I believe satan owns all trinity churches
2)Judas forfeited his. I am sure others have as well
3) There is only need for 144,000 in heaven--these will serve as kings and priests alongside of Jesus--this is the little flock--the bride of Christ
4) Mortals have little clue--God knows exactly what is best.
5) ? it would be a guess by anyone at this point.
6)rev 3:20--is about an evening meal.-- 1 pet 2:9--- the royal priesthood = the anointed--not the great crowd of other sheep.
7: John3:16---says 0 about where anyone will be.--Jesus taught--Happy are the meek for they will inherit the earth( this is to the great crowd)--the psalmist wrote---The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it.

1. That is a long shot though. JW only started in the 20th century. Trinity, 'clearly' since the Catholic church / earliest identifiable Christian churches. Be that as it may, so you don't recognize Jesus as diety?
3. Why don't you accept the context of the 144 000 being Jews in the tribulation?
5. The point is that the 'earthbound' insinuation is ridiculous.
6. You are twisting that verse though. Why not just read it as is. Paul was the chiefest of sinners, does he deserve a place in the 144 000? Rev 3:20 is about Jesus coming to live with whoever opens the door to Him. Once they do they share in the first resurrention. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Doesn't Rev 22:19 and the fact that JW theory is 20th century, concern you in the slightest?

kjw47 · May 6, 2014

KingJ said:
1. That is a long shot though. JW only started in the 20th century. Trinity, 'clearly' since the Catholic church / earliest identifiable Christian churches. Be that as it may, so you don't recognize Jesus as diety?
3. Why don't you accept the context of the 144 000 being Jews in the tribulation?
5. The point is that the 'earthbound' insinuation is ridiculous.
6. You are twisting that verse though. Why not just read it as is. Paul was the chiefest of sinners, does he deserve a place in the 144 000? Rev 3:20 is about Jesus coming to live with whoever opens the door to Him. Once they do they share in the first resurrention. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Doesn't Rev 22:19 and the fact that JW theory is 20th century, concern you in the slightest?

JW,s had to pop up to fulfill this--Daniel 12:4-- no one else had certain truths until the last days--now they have become abundant.

The Israelites are cut off- Matt 23: 37-38------ any reference is to spiritual Israel not literal Israel.

Paul repented and became a powerful worker in the Lord.

ENOCH2010 said:
kjw47 which tribe do you belong to?

I am hoping ---the great crowd of other sheep--not part of the little flock-144,000

KingJ · May 6, 2014

Ok, thanks for your effort.

I think we need to focus discussion on Jesus. You believe He is an angel? How can an angel graft anyone into God's family / royal priesthood as Paul says? How can an angel save anyone from sins? If He doesn't save us and we save ourselves, do you believe in universal salvation?

I could go read up on your beliefs, but I am enjoying rational discussion ^_^.

kjw47 · May 6, 2014

KingJ said:
Ok, thanks for your effort.

I think we need to focus discussion on Jesus. You believe He is an angel? How can an angel graft anyone into God's family / royal priesthood as Paul says? How can an angel save anyone from sins? If He doesn't save us and we save ourselves, do you believe in universal salvation?

I could go read up on your beliefs, but I am enjoying rational discussion ^_^.

This is how--- Jesus does 0 of his own inititive--it is God doing it all through Jesus-Acts 2:22

Same way a mortal( Moses) parted the red sea---how many mortals do you know that can accomplish that??? 0--- God did it.

RANDOR · May 6, 2014

Jesus was God from the beginning

So yes, it was God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who parted the seas.

It's like this....myself and satan would rather slit your throat.

But..no...God, Jesus, Holy spirit and I would rather love you

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa God is good

shturt678 · May 6, 2014

RANDOR said:
Jesus was God from the beginning
So yes, it was God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who parted the seas.

It's like this....myself and satan would rather slit your throat.

But..no...God, Jesus, Holy spirit and I would rather love you

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa God is good

Click to expand...

Thank you folks for caring!

No refute, ie, only to encourage, ie, Jesus was God waaay before the beginning.

Old last lower paygrade Jack

kjw47 · May 6, 2014

RANDOR said:
Jesus was God from the beginning
So yes, it was God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who parted the seas.

It's like this....myself and satan would rather slit your throat.

But..no...God, Jesus, Holy spirit and I would rather love you

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa God is good

The name YHWH( Jehovah was the name in ot-nearly 6800 times--How many times was Jesus name mentioned--0--If Jesus was God he wouldn't have had to be taught and given everything--like the kingdom for 1000 years. (Psalm 83:18--Yhwh( Jehovah) is the most high over all the earth--Jesus' God and Father-John 20:17, rev 3:12

Secondhand Lion · May 6, 2014

kjw,

Do you see Jesus in Proverbs chapter 8? Can you see Jesus or do you think it is just speaking of wisdom alone? I see Jesus...He is wisdom. He was there from before the beginning.

SL

RANDOR · May 6, 2014

Hmmmmmmmmmm love the interpretations of these scritpures.....you are missin the big picture..
It's like hearing a joke and not getting the punch line.
It's like watching a movie for 3 hrs...and sayin the ending made no sense.
It's like cooking all day only to sit down and say...Hmmmmmmm some ingredient is missing.

Ask the Holy Spirit to teach you..not what some other man has taught you........then the light will come on.

kjw47 · May 7, 2014

Secondhand Lion said:
kjw,

Do you see Jesus in Proverbs chapter 8? Can you see Jesus or do you think it is just speaking of wisdom alone? I see Jesus...He is wisdom. He was there from before the beginning.

SL

Yes it is Jesus at Provetrbs 8: 23--God produced( created) me as the beginning of his ways.

RANDOR said:
Hmmmmmmmmmm love the interpretations of these scritpures.....you are missin the big picture..
It's like hearing a joke and not getting the punch line.
It's like watching a movie for 3 hrs...and sayin the ending made no sense.
It's like cooking all day only to sit down and say...Hmmmmmmm some ingredient is missing.

Ask the Holy Spirit to teach you..not what some other man has taught you........then the light will come on.

That's strange--these inspired words from God teaches--there are teachers( heb 13:17)--- does not one learn from teachers? It says there one has to be submissive to these teachers.
Thus--there is your way and Gods way--which = Gods will?

RANDOR · May 7, 2014

Yes, I agree the word of God teaches....but if the pupil takes everything he has been taught and misses the point it was all in vain.
I keep asking you to close that book.
And get on your knees...to get serious. Try it.........ask Jesus into your life.
I see ya haven't done that yet.
Don't you want to know...I mean truly know......if Jesus is Lord?

It's that simple......He's waiting with his arms wide open for KJW47 to call on His name.

Thousands of jw's have.......I've at least seen a couple hundred myself.

It's amazing what they all say.............Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus is Lord

GOTTA LUV IT

Secondhand Lion · May 8, 2014

kjw47 said:
Yes it is Jesus at Provetrbs 8: 23--God produced( created) me as the beginning of his ways.

It does not say produced...it says possessed verse 22. It also says "set up" in verse 23. It was all "Set up" before the foundation of the world. (1 Peter 1:2). Jesus is Lord....Jesus is wisdom.....Jesus is everything.

Its all about Jesus.

SL

kjw47 · May 8, 2014

Secondhand Lion said:
It does not say produced...it says possessed verse 22. It also says "set up" in verse 23. It was all "Set up" before the foundation of the world. (1 Peter 1:2). Jesus is Lord....Jesus is wisdom.....Jesus is everything.

Its all about Jesus.

SL

Jesus pointed all to his Father--the one he calls-THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- At the end of the Lords prayer--Jesus teaches--the kingdom--power--and glory all belong to the Father.

RANDOR said:
Yes, I agree the word of God teaches....but if the pupil takes everything he has been taught and misses the point it was all in vain.
I keep asking you to close that book.
And get on your knees...to get serious. Try it.........ask Jesus into your life.
I see ya haven't done that yet.
Don't you want to know...I mean truly know......if Jesus is Lord?

It's that simple......He's waiting with his arms wide open for KJW47 to call on His name.

Thousands of jw's have.......I've at least seen a couple hundred myself.

It's amazing what they all say.............Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus is Lord

GOTTA LUV IT

Yes Jesus is Lord to the glory of his God and Father.

Secondhand Lion · May 8, 2014

kjw47 said:
Jesus pointed all to his Father--the one he calls-THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- At the end of the Lords prayer--Jesus teaches--the kingdom--power--and glory all belong to the Father.

Jesus is God. Luke 8:39. Man is given instruction to "show how great things God has done unto him". And the man went his way and told "how great things Jesus had done unto him". The man followed instructions to the letter, the man was not corrected in what he said being in error.

Plain as the nose on your face.

SL

kjw47 · May 9, 2014

Secondhand Lion said:
Jesus is God. Luke 8:39. Man is given instruction to "show how great things God has done unto him". And the man went his way and told "how great things Jesus had done unto him". The man followed instructions to the letter, the man was not corrected in what he said being in error.

Plain as the nose on your face.

SL

It is very plain---Gods power goes through Jesus-acts 2:22--it is God doing all of it through Jesus--Jesus is doing 0 of his own inititive,--this is the reality of what Gods word teaches.

RANDOR · May 9, 2014

jw's
Why is it so important to you that Jesus has no power ?
Why is it....it is God to you guys and not Jesus.
I understand why...but why......?
You're all hung up on it's God.....and if you're hung up on it being God...you say there is no hell with or with out Christ.

even if there were no Christ...how can you guys get so far off on the scripture interpretations?

A true man does what God says......men/women who can't handle what God says weaves the scritpure into his own lifestyle.

So if a person for some reason is afraid of hell, or says God is to loving so there can't be a hell..........chooses to believe there is no hell.

Thus converting Gods word unto their way of life and false beliefs.

I come to show you Jesus......you come to tell me about Him........and trust me.....

You don't know Him or God or The Holy Spirit well enough to tell me about them.

Because it's plain as day you have never met any of them.

They are truly alive..........but it shows you haven't met them......because all you have is scriptures

Scripture this, scritpure that, scritpure over there.....no wait scripture over there.

Tell me of this God you have falsely come to know.........What has he done for you? how has He changed your life?
Ahh...don't look at the scriptures...close the book and tell us from the heart....all we have heard over and over and over and over is scriptures.
Give us your testimony

All my posts you should feel my PASSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm from the heart :wub:
I'm excited about Christ........and I've told you many times what God/Jesus/Holy Spirit has done in my life.

Anyone can quote scriptures............we are not robots.........

If you have truly been saved...............SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS........GLORY HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously...you don't have to die to meet God..........actually that is the name of my book that just came out in February

It has real scritpures, real people, real life situations and yes...it has real demons. Of course you don't believe in that....but I'm here to tell ya......yes sir they are very real

Check it out www.ChristAwaits.com

kjw47 · May 9, 2014

RANDOR said:
jw's
Why is it so important to you that Jesus has no power ?
Why is it....it is God to you guys and not Jesus.
I understand why...but why......?
You're all hung up on it's God.....and if you're hung up on it being God...you say there is no hell with or with out Christ.

even if there were no Christ...how can you guys get so far off on the scripture interpretations?

A true man does what God says......men/women who can't handle what God says weaves the scritpure into his own lifestyle.

So if a person for some reason is afraid of hell, or says God is to loving so there can't be a hell..........chooses to believe there is no hell.

Thus converting Gods word unto their way of life and false beliefs.

I come to show you Jesus......you come to tell me about Him........and trust me.....

You don't know Him or God or The Holy Spirit well enough to tell me about them.

Because it's plain as day you have never met any of them.

They are truly alive..........but it shows you haven't met them......because all you have is scriptures

Scripture this, scritpure that, scritpure over there.....no wait scripture over there.

Tell me of this God you have falsely come to know.........What has he done for you? how has He changed your life?
Ahh...don't look at the scriptures...close the book and tell us from the heart....all we have heard over and over and over and over is scriptures.
Give us your testimony

All my posts you should feel my PASSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm from the heart :wub:
I'm excited about Christ........and I've told you many times what God/Jesus/Holy Spirit has done in my life.

Anyone can quote scriptures............we are not robots.........

If you have truly been saved...............SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS........GLORY HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously...you don't have to die to meet God..........actually that is the name of my book that just came out in February

It has real scritpures, real people, real life situations and yes...it has real demons. Of course you don't believe in that....but I'm here to tell ya......yes sir they are very real Check it out www.ChristAwaits.com

Not a good thing to do--talk down Jesus teachers-- working against Gods will is the sin against the HS. This started with MR Russell. Daniel 12:4--- corrections had to be made.

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