Breaking Free From Fake Religion

marks · Sep 22, 2025

Dan Clarkston said:
But what you are saying is that IF I were to decide to live in sin.... I'd still go to Heaven right?

Is this what you are planning? To spend the rest of your life living in sin?

You've made up an hypothetical "gotcha question", and now you run with it like it's real.

Who is the renegerate who "decides to live in sin"? And who are you that you think you don't sin still?

What if there were a born again who wasn't changed?

What if a pound of gold weighed 5 ounces?

You can "what if" all day long but it won't lead you to truth!

If you decided to live in sin, I'd ask you, what makes you think you are a Christian??

Much love!

marks · Sep 22, 2025

Dan Clarkston said:
But what you are saying is that IF I were to decide to live in sin.... I'd still go to Heaven right?

He gave you the answer that God will chasten you, and you won't continue in sin. Will you misrepresent him now as though he said something else? Will you badger him with the same question until you get the wording that you want, and then pounce?

I already know the answer to these, I've seen it firsthand.

Much love!

Dan Clarkston · Sep 22, 2025

marks said:
Is this what you are planning? To spend the rest of your life living in sin?

You've made up an hypothetical "gotcha question", and now you run with it like it's real.

Who is the renegerate who "decides to live in sin"? And who are you that you think you don't sin still?

What if there were a born again who wasn't changed?

What if a pound of gold weighed 5 ounces?

You can "what if" all day long but it won't lead you to truth!

If you decided to live in sin, I'd ask you, what makes you think you are a Christian??

No, I know better to live in sin as that causes a Christians to become corrupt and if they die in that condition they go to hell.

You are claiming a Christian can live in sin and still go to heaven which is in opposition to what God's Word teaches (heresy)

Heresy is on God's list of "those that do these things shall no inherit the kingdom" so you might want to repent of the false doctrine you espouse at your very earliest convenience

Those teaching OSAS claim that God can be mocked, what a man sows is NOT what he reaps, and if a man sows to the flesh (does sin) he does NOT reap corruption.

This is the exact opposite of what the Lord says in Gal 6:7,8 which is how we know OSAS teaching is doctrines of devils.

It's the same thing satan lied to Adam and Eve about claiming they could disobey God (sin) and not be separated from Him (die spiritually). Those teaching the heresy of OSAS today teach people Christians that even if they live in sin they are still saved and will still go to Heaven.

That's what you were just telling me.... that if I lived in sin I would still be saved and go to Heaven

marks · Sep 23, 2025

Dan Clarkston said:
You are claiming a Christian can live in sin and still go to heaven which is in opposition to what God's Word teaches (heresy)

No, you are asserting the ludicrous. Don't pin that on me!

Like I said, it's your current "gotcha" question, and though it's childish, you don't let go.

Much love!

Dan Clarkston · Sep 23, 2025

marks said:
No, you are asserting the ludicrous. Don't pin that on me!

Actually you folks claim all that would have is the Lord would send bad things on those who live in sin and never said they are still not saved as they live in sin.

marks said:
Like I said, it's your current "gotcha" question, and though it's childish, you don't let go.

you folks just got caught espousing heresy by trying to teach false OSAS doctrine.

Just admit that you folks don't accept all of what the Lord says like most other "christians" these days

PS95 · Sep 23, 2025

Behold said:
You dont understand that you are "not under the Law, but under Grace"., and that is why you are worried about sin.

There you go-- such arrogance and twisting. I have never said we are under Mosaic law, nor did I say I worry about sin. What is the matter with you?

Behold said:
A.) The born again, can't be accused or defined by the Law, ever again, because "Christ is the End of the Law, for righteousness".

Its the Law that defines sin, and sinners......so, "where there is no law, there is no sin (Transgression)"".

Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19 tells the born again that God does not Charge them with sin, and that is because God has already charged Jesus with ALL our sin.

And I agree with the scriptures- but not ONLY those, which is where your problem is. You see it really does all work together but you miss that.- You can't reconcile them all together because you do not teach properly.

Behold said:
Ive not said im "Paul only".
I said that Paul teaches all the Church Doctrine, and that is what i teach.

HAHA.

Behold said:
1.) "where there is no Law, there is no Sin".

2.) "Christ is the END OF THE LAW, for Righteousness, to every one who believes" (Is born again).

Have you forgotten there is a law- the law of Christ? What it is NOT is mere lip service. Believing- truly believing leads to changes and if those changes are not present then there is no salvation. You deny that. By saying a person who once said they believed but later goes off to deny that faith by living in all manner of sins until death-- you say- he is saved.
And you are WRONG. SCRIPTURALLY WRONG. But you will rely on ONLY certain verses of Paul to regurgitate while ignoring ALL of what Paul taught which aligns with James and Jesus and John and Peter-- that teach otherwise.
THAT IS MY ISSUE WITH YOU.
Stop making it about anything else.. It's very deceitful to do that.

Behold said:
There is no sin found "in Christ"
There is no sin found in God".

Every Chrisitan is 'IN Christ", and '"one with God", and there is no sin found there.

Every Chrisitan is "Seated in Heavenly Places In Christ" and there is no Sin found there.

Every Christian is in the KOG, and there is no Sin found there.

"God hath made Jesus TO BE SIN FOR US">........because "Jesus is the one time Eternal SACRIFICE for Sin".

Christians are "made free from sin"...= forever, by the Blood of Jesus.

You are twisting these.

Behold said:
I dont read Scofield.
I have a Real Bible.
I study it.

You were clearly taught by someone who did.
I would advise you to continue studying Behold- there is meat not only milk.

Behold · Sep 23, 2025

PS95 said:
There you go-- such arrogance and twisting. I have never said we are under Mosaic law, nor did I say I worry about sin. What is the matter with you?

When you believe that you can lose your salvation, then you are "fallen from Grace"... and you have broken faith.

So, what ive asked you, is .. '"""Why do you not trust in Christ (alone) to keep you saved ?""""
See, if you truly trusted in Christ to Keep you Saved, you'd never try to prove that you can lose your Salvation.
This means that you dont understand Salvation yet, as when you understand it, you'll always believe that Jesus keeps you saved.

PS95 said:
And I agree with the scriptures- but not ONLY those, which is where your problem is. You see it really does all work together but you miss that.- You can't reconcile them all together because you do not teach properly.

2 Corin 5:19 Romans 4:8.........as i told you, is talking specifically to Christians.
God will never charge sin to a Christian.....because Christ has already been judged for all their Sin, on The Cross.

Notice : "Jesus is the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice.....for sin".......so this means that His sacrifice has ETERNALLY taken care of all the sin, of a CHRISTian.

PS95 said:
Have you forgotten there is a law- the law of Christ? What it is NOT is mere lip service. Believing- truly believing leads to changes and if those changes are not present then there is no salvation.

Being born again, happens to a sinner, the instant they give God their faith in Christ.
So, they have had no time to "bear fruit", as they were just SAVED......seconds ago......and now being saved, they are "made righteous".
They have received the "Imputed righteousness".......they are become "THE righteousness of God, in Christ".

So....If this has happened to them, then they will bear fruit.......they will do good works later.

But, you can be a hell bound water baptized religious fakir, and do all those works.......as well., and that is why you can't just look at someones DEEDS as proof they are a real Christian.

PS95 said:
You were clearly taught by someone who did.
I would advise you to continue studying Behold- there is meat not only milk.

You can't even explain the Blood of Jesus as The Gift of Righteousness.
You can't explain why JESUS is Salvation..

So, you dont need to try to pretend you are anything other then a Hebrews 6:1 , at best. @PS95

PS95 · Sep 23, 2025

Behold said:
When you believe that you can lose your salvation, then you are "fallen from Grace"... and you have broken faith.

So, what ive asked you, is .. '"""Why do you not trust in Christ (alone) to keep you saved ?""""
See, if you truly trusted in Christ to Keep you Saved, you'd never try to prove that you can lose your Salvation.
This means that you dont understand Salvation yet.

2 Corin 5:19 Romans 4:8.........as i told you, is talking specifically to Christians.
God will never charge sin to a Christian.....because Christ has already been judged for all their Sin, on The Cross.

And "Jesus is the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice.....for sin".......so this means that His sacrifice has ETERNALLY taken care of all the sin, of a CHRISTian.

Being born again, happens to a sinner, the instant they give God their faith in Christ.
So, they have had no time to "bear fruit", as they were just SAVED......seconds ago......and now being saved, they are "made righteous".
They have received the "Imputed righteousness".......they are become "THE righteousness of God, in Christ".

So....If this has happened to them, then they will bear fruit.......they will do good works.

But, you can be a hell bound water baptized religious fakir, and do all those works.......as well., and that is why you can't just look at someones DEEDS as proof they are a real Christian.

You can't even explain the Blood of Jesus as The Gift of Righteousness.
You can't explain why JESUS is Salvation..

So, you dont need to try to pretend you are anything other then a Hebrews 6:1 , at best. @PS95

There is no point in trying to talk to you. You are a broken record with no understanding of the whole of the gospel. You teach part truth.
I am just going to lift you in prayers instead of arguing over things you can't defend.

Behold · Sep 23, 2025

PS95 said:
There is no point in trying to talk to you.

There is no point talking to me, if you are going to refuse to listen.
That is true.
Also, you seem to be afraid to answer my question, and i really dont like dealing with people who dodge questions.
You've doged this one, over 6x.....and everytime i ask you AGAIN to answer, it, you RUN and hide, and then come back.........later.
So, do us both a favor. Be an adult, and answer the question, or just find another place to Play. @PS95

NOW>...Here is the question for you to dodge again..

Q.) Why do you not trust in Christ ALONE............to keep you Saved" ??

PS95 said:
You are a broken record with no understanding of the whole of the gospel. You teach part truth.

Paul's Gospel is all i teach.
Any other is : Galatians 1:9
You dont recognize Paul's Gospel, because you are not affiliated with it. @PS95

PS95 said:
I am just going to lift you in prayers instead of arguing over things you can't defend.

Here is the thing little one......I can teach you, but i can't learn it for you.
And you are not interested in learning.
So...Go ahead and pray for me, now that you've lied again.
See, I appreciate the Prayers, and you need the practice.

PS95 · Sep 23, 2025

Behold said:
There is no point talking to me, if you are going to refuse to listen.
That is true.
Also, you seem to be afraid to answer my question, and i really dont like dealing with people who dodge questions.
You've doged this one, over 6x.....and everytime i ask you AGAIN to answer, it, you RUN and hide, and then come back.........later.
So, do us both a favor. Be an adult, and answer the question, or just find another place to Play. @PS95

NOW>...Here is the question for you to dodge again..

Q.) Why do you not trust in Christ ALONE............to keep you Saved" ??

I've answered this many times now and this will be my LAST- YES I DO TRUST JESUS TO KEEP ME. It is Irrelevant TO MY ISSUE WITH YOU. Please try to focus.

Behold said:
Paul's Gospel is all i teach.
Any other is : Galatians 1:9
You dont recognize Paul's Gospel, because you are not affiliated with it. @PS95 Here is the thing little one......I can teach you, but i can't learn it for you.
And you are not interested in learning.
So...Go ahead and pray for me, now that you've lied again.
See, I appreciate the Prayers, and you need the practice.

It's like you are programmed.. It really very simple but you have a need to be right and I do not. MY ISSUE WITH YOU IS SIMPLE- you deny the scriptures as a whole- you cherry pick-
We are not under Mosaic law- but there is a LAW and it is called the- LAW OF CHRIST- What we DO after we come to Christ shows who we are-
but YOU TEACH that a person who claims they are saved yet lives in all manner of sins until the day he dies is still saved.
I am telling you that is UNSCRIPTURAL. You deny the POWER of God in believers.
You like to pint a finger at ME when I have told you over and over that God works within us- we can take no credit other than cooperation with the Spirit in us. Why do we cooperate? It all goes back to God again- We LOVE HIM because HE FIRST LOVED US. IF you LOVE you will OBEY HIM. You deny that when you say a person who disobeys all of his life never repents is still saved. It's false.
" You will know them by their FRUITS!!! " Matt 7:16

1 John 2:4
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 2
3Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love.

James 1:22
Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves.

Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but by their actions they deny Him. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed.

1 John 3:6
Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Romans 6:1-2
What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? / Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?
Eph 4
to put off your former way of life, your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; / to be renewed in the spirit of your minds; / and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

Galatians 5:15-16
So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. / For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other, so that you do not do what you want.

Eph 5
But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5For [a]this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them.

This isn't about ME- Behold. it is about you and your flat out denial of the plain scriptures.

Behold · Sep 23, 2025

PS95 said:
I've answered this many times now and this will be my LAST- YES I DO TRUST JESUS TO KEEP ME. It is Irrelevant TO MY ISSUE WITH YOU. Please try to focus.

If you believe that you can lose your Salvation, then you do not trust in Christ alone, to keep you saved.

= You try to prove that you can lose your Salvation. on this very Forum .........and that proves you do not believe that Jesus alone Keeps you saved...
Do you need me to get "GodsGrace" to remind you that you 2 have tried to prove that you can lose your salvation many times on this forum?

So, Stop being dishonest about what you really believe that is proven by what you try to PROVE.

Do you UNDERSTAND, ?

Pray about that @PS95 , while you're praying for me.

PS95 · Sep 23, 2025

Behold said:
If you believe that you can lose your Salvation, then you do not trust in Christ alone, to keep you saved.

= You try to prove that you can lose your Salvation. on this very Forum .........and that proves you do not believe that Jesus alone Keeps you saved...
Do you need me to get "GodsGrace" to remind you that you 2 have tried to prove that you can lose your salvation many times on this forum?

So, Stop being dishonest about what you really believe that is proven by what you try to PROVE.

Do you UNDERSTAND, ?

Pray about that @PS95 , while you're praying for me.

Once again- you just ignore the scriptures and my issue with your false teaching and aim it at me! It's unreal.

Behold · Sep 23, 2025

PS95 said:
Once again- you just ignore the scriptures and my issue with your false teaching and aim it at me! It's unreal.

You teach that you can lose your salvation, and then out of the other side of your mouth you say that you Trust Jesus to keep you saved.

So, if you trusted in Christ alone to keep you saved, you would not have written so many posts on this forum trying to prove that Christ can't keep you saved.

"well behold, what i means is.........I do trust that Christ keeps me saved.... as long as... i dont do anything that can cause me to lose my salvation"..

Do you uinderstand what im showing you , yet?

See yourself yet @PS95 ?

We see you.

PS95 · Sep 23, 2025

Behold said:
You teach that you can lose your salvation, and then out of the other side of your mouth you say that you Trust Jesus to keep you saved.

So, if you trusted in Christ alone to keep you saved, you would not have written so many posts on this forum trying to prove that Christ can't keep you saved.

"well behold, what i means is.........I do trust that Christ keeps me saved.... as long as... i dont do anything that can cause me to lose my salvation"..

Do you uinderstand what im showing you , yet?

See yourself yet @PS95 ?

We see you.

Hilarious. READ YOUR BIBLE.

Behold · Sep 23, 2025

PS95 said:
Hilarious. READ YOUR BIBLE.

The moment that you no longer beleive that you can lose your Salvation, is the exact moment that you have begun to understand God's Salvation.

PS95 · Sep 23, 2025

Behold said:
The moment that you no longer beleive that you can lose your Salvation, is the exact moment that you have begun to understand God's Salvation.

Keep ignoring the scriptures I gave you and the issue I have with you-- and keep making this about me..
It only shows where you are Behold. Not in reality.

Behold · Sep 23, 2025

PS95 said:
Keep ignoring the scriptures I gave you and the issue I have with you-- and keep making this about me..

When you believe that Jesus ALONE keeps you saved, then you have understood God's Salvation... and that is when you'll not be found on a forum any longer, trying to prove that salvation can be lost. @PS95 .

mailmandan · Sep 17, 2026

bdavidc said:
The Bible says it straight: salvation is “by grace… through faith, not of works” (Ephesians 2:8–9). “Justified by faith without the deeds of the law” (Romans 3:28). “To him that worketh not, but believeth… his faith is counted for righteousness” (Romans 4:5). That’s faith alone. James only shows that real faith produces fruit. Jesus said, “It is finished” (John 19:30). If you think your works add to that, you’ve missed the gospel completely. You need to repent.

Amen! The Bible makes it clear in many passages of scripture that man is saved through belief/faith - "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1-2; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-14, 26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now one does not need to "add" the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of those passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus, works? NO. So, then it's faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone.

Which is not to be confused with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" barren of works. (James 2:14-24)

bdavidc · Sep 17, 2026

mailmandan said:
Amen! The Bible makes it clear in many passages of scripture that man is saved through belief/faith - "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1-2; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-14, 26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now one does not need to "add" the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of those passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus, works? NO. So, then it's faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone.

Which is not to be confused with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" barren of works. (James 2:14-24)

Amen, and that is a very helpful Scripture summary. You laid out the case clearly and let the Word speak for itself.

I especially appreciate the distinction you made between salvation by faith apart from works and a dead profession of faith that produces no fruit. That keeps Paul and James exactly where Scripture puts them.

Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 2:8-10 make the order plain. We are saved by grace through faith, not by works, and then we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works.

Fathom · Friday at 3:27 AM

bdavidc said:
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“O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?” (Galatians 3:1). Paul’s words pierce the lies of religion based on human effort. The Galatians had begun in faith but had slipped into adding works to their salvation. We see the same today: men and women trust in Christ, then turn to church ceremonies, traditions, or their own religious performance to try to gain acceptance with God.

Scripture bluntly asks: “Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Galatians 3:2). The answer is clear: none. Not one of them was saved by trying to keep rules and regulations. Not one was forgiven by checking off a list of boxes. Salvation was by hearing the gospel and believing it. Romans 10: 17 is straightforward, “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

Paul adds, “Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?” (Galatians 3:3). To be more direct: if life began in the Spirit through hearing and believing, why would anyone try to be made perfect by fleshly effort? To depend on works after receiving God’s grace is to blaspheme the cross of Christ. Galatians 2: 21 states, “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

Instead, the Word turns us to Abraham: “In the same manner also Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness” (Galatians 3:6). And here’s the truth to which we must cling: “So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham” (Galatians 3:9). It is not those who work the hardest who are God’s children, but those who believe God’s promise.

The world will tell you faith isn’t enough, that you have to add something to Jesus’ finished work. It’s the same old lie Paul called bewitching. But the Word of God is firm: salvation is by grace through faith, not of works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Are you living in the glorious freedom of faith in Christ? Or are you still bound by the heavy chains of trying to earn what God freely gives? Don’t be deceived. Don’t exchange the truth of the gospel for a counterfeit. Trust in Christ alone and walk in the blessing that belongs to those who have faith.

What's your view on 1 Timothy 2:15, where it says women are saved through childbearing? Isn't procreation part of Jewish law?

1 Timothy 2:15
But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

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