Lord God created evil

Purity said:

The Lord God created the evil as well as the good in the Garden of Eden.

Gen. 2:9.— Out of the ground made the Lord to grow the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden.

Gen. 2:19.—And the Lord God formed every beast of the field (Gen. 3:1), of whom the serpent was more subtle than any which the Lord God had made.

The Lord God gave him powers of speech, by which the serpent was enabled to give expression to his cunning, craftiness, sagacity or subtlety: and this power he has never exercised since.

The serpent heard the commandment given to our first parents; for he said to the woman,

Gen. 3:1.—“Yea, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden.” In other words, “I heard it: is it so?”

He also knew of the existence of gods or angels; for, being created before the man, he saw the “us” in whose image Adam was made: “Let us make man in our image.”—(Job. 38:4, 7; Psalm 82:6.)

He knew likewise that the eating of the tree of knowledge would impart the experience of evil; for he persuaded the woman to eat, that she might know evil as well as good; and thus be like the gods in whose image and likeness man was formed.

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Have you ever noticed that in the Book of the Preacher, also known as Ecclesiastics that it was written by the son of David, king in Jerusalem according to the first verse of the first chapter. While in the Matthew 1:1 it written
"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham" yet in Ecclesiastics 3:18 it is written, " I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts."

So is it your premise that the beast called the serpent was a human that was inclined to just to create falsehood and lies?

The reason I ask is because in Genesis 1:29 it is written, "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." So according to the scriptures, didn't God say it?

So did LORD God lie in Genesis 2:16-17 wherein it is written:
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

It is written that the woman said in Genesis 3:2-3
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

I couldn't help but notice that you wrote

Gen. 2:9.— Out of the ground made the Lord to grow the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden.

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which is peculiar since in the KJV it is written; "9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil." So if the woman and the man ate of the tree in the midst of the garden, then they ate of the tree of life and not the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

So in Genesis 2:17, it is written, "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

So how do you reconcile the rest of the lie?

In the case of "God created evil" you seem to have so misgivings on the matter. As demonstrated in the first two verses of Gen we can see that one, when God made the Heaven and the earth His Presence was not yet in His creation and before His Presence came into creation the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. In order for there to be anything good it requires God’s Presence and that He speaks and it is fulfilled. And the Fulfillment of His word is good, He saw that it was good. And as Jesus has said only God is good. Without these things there is no life in creation. Hence to sin is to be in separation from the Presence of God, which can’t be good therefore evil.

Gen:1:1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Hence God doesn’t dwell in darkness, He dwells in the Light that He separated from the darkness that was already there before He spoke "let there be light" while His Presence is in creation.

DPMartin said:

In the case of "God created evil" you seem to have so misgivings on the matter. As demonstrated in the first two verses of Gen we can see that one, when God made the Heaven and the earth His Presence was not yet in His creation and before His Presence came into creation the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. In order for there to be anything good it requires God’s Presence and that He speaks and it is fulfilled. And the Fulfillment of His word is good, He saw that it was good. And as Jesus has said only God is good. Without these things there is no life in creation. Hence to sin is to be in separation from the Presence of God, which can’t be good therefore evil.

Gen:1:1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Hence God doesn’t dwell in darkness, He dwells in the Light that He separated from the darkness that was already there before He spoke "let there be light" while His Presence is in creation.

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God created the potential for evil. Others potentiated it. You could say God created evil. But the taut version says He created it's potential. The taut version gives God benefit of doubt. It may even be more true.

Forsakenone said:

Have you ever noticed that in the Book of the Preacher, also known as Ecclesiastics that it was written by the son of David, king in Jerusalem according to the first verse of the first chapter. While in the Matthew 1:1 it written
"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham" yet in Ecclesiastics 3:18 it is written, " I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts."
So is it your premise that the beast called the serpent was a human that was inclined to just to create falsehood and lies?

The reason I ask is because in Genesis 1:29 it is written, "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." So according to the scriptures, didn't God say it?

So did LORD God lie in Genesis 2:16-17 wherein it is written:
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

It is written that the woman said in Genesis 3:2-3
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

I couldn't help but notice that you wrote



which is peculiar since in the KJV it is written; "9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil." So if the woman and the man ate of the tree in the midst of the garden, then they ate of the tree of life and not the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

So in Genesis 2:17, it is written, "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

So how do you reconcile the rest of the lie?

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Very good.............................I must say................
Thank you Jesus for giving this creation you created the words of truth AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

The connection between normal animals and the serpent is clear to everyone here and cannot be questioned.

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The serpent is a beast. It clearly states that in Genesis 3:1 wherein it is written, "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made."
You can not only question that, you can test, you examine it, you can make inquiry of it, you can do whatever you what with it. Include disregarding what the testimony of the son of David given
in Ecclesiastics 3:18.

5th day of the Creation, God made the beast of the earth after his kind as written in Genesis 1:24
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

So is it your contention that it was the woman that was the beast?

Since God said let us make man in our image after our likeness, and we all know that God is a Spirit. And the gift of tongues, or ability to communicate using the spoken word was a gift
of the Spirit that was given unto the spirit made in his likeness in the image of God, so therefore any creature that can speak has the spirit of God, his Creator. Or do you subscribe to
the doctrine that man's ability to speak originates from his flesh?

While there is no fruit of any tree upon the earth that can cause the death of the spirit, the LORD God said you said not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the imaginary tree.

Could they eat of every tree (yes)
Was the tree of knowledge of good and evil good for food (we can only assume its fruit was good)
Did it have seed within itself (no doubt)

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However, there is a tree called the Poisonous Nut tree, but which produces a fruit that has been observed and known from history to cause death when consumed by man.

In response to your particular statement of why you say it is a lie? That is the fruit of your imagination since I asked if you believed the LORD God lied when he commanded the
man not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil since it is written in Genesis 2:17, But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Forsaken, I voted for this post because I felt you had given it some thought...though you did not attribute the tree of K & G & Evil or the Serpent as Gods doing.

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James 3:12

I always thought evil is a function of the devil.

Purity said:

The devil doesn't exist - God creates all things!

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Revelation 20:2
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,



Satan is the devil...and the serpent of old...

Thank you folks for caring again!

Gen.2:9, "and the tree of the knowing of good and evil," ie, not creating "evil."

Old Jack

Can you explain yourself further?

I know of this reference of the devil or adversary.

Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

Article 2. Whether the supreme good, God, is the cause of evil?
Objection 1. It would seem that the supreme good, God, is the cause of evil. For it is said (Isaiah 45:5-7): "I am the Lord, and there is no other God, forming the light, and creating darkness, making peace, andcreating evil." And Amos 3:6, "Shall there be evil in a city, which the Lord hath not done?"
Objection 2. Further, the effect of the secondary cause is reduced to the first cause. But good is the causeof evil, as was said above (Article 1). Therefore, since God is the cause of every good, as was shown above (2, 3; 6, 1,4), it follows that also every evil is from God.
Objection 3. Further, as is said by the Philosopher (Phys. ii, text 30), the cause of both safety and danger of the ship is the same. But God is the cause of the safety of all things. Therefore He is the cause of allperdition and of all evil.
On the contrary, Augustine says (QQ. 83, qu. 21), that, "God is not the author of evil because He is not the cause of tending to not-being."
I answer that, As appears from what was said (1), the evil which consists in the defect of action is alwayscaused by the defect of the agent. But in God there is no defect, but the highest perfection, as was shown above (Question 4, Article 1). Hence, the evil which consists in defect of action, or which is caused by defect of the agent, is not reduced to God as to its cause.
But the evil which consists in the corruption of some things is reduced to God as the cause. And this appears as regards both natural things and voluntary things. For it was said (1) that some agent inasmuch as it produces by its power a form to which follows corruption and defect, causes by its power that corruption and defect. But it is manifest that the form which God chiefly intends in things created is thegood of the order of the universe. Now, the order of the universe requires, as was said above (22, 2, ad 2;48, 2), that there should be some things that can, and do sometimes, fail. And thus God, by causing in things the good of the order of the universe, consequently and as it were by accident, causes the corruptions of things, according to 1 Samuel 2:6: "The Lord killeth and maketh alive." But when we read that "God hath not made death" (Wisdom 1:13), the sense is that God does not will death for its own sake. Nevertheless the order of justice belongs to the order of the universe; and this requires that penalty should be dealt out to sinners. And so God is the author of the evil which is penalty, but not of the evil which is fault, by reason of what is said above.
Reply to Objection 1. These passages refer to the evil of penalty, and not to the evil of fault.
Reply to Objection 2. The effect of the deficient secondary cause is reduced to the first non-deficientcause as regards what it has of being and perfection, but not as regards what it has of defect; just as whatever there is of motion in the act of limping is caused by the motive power, whereas what there is of obliqueness in it does not come from the motive power, but from the curvature of the leg. And, likewise, whatever there is of being and action in a bad action, is reduced to God as the cause; whereas whatever defect is in it is not caused by God, but by the deficient secondary cause.
Reply to Objection 3. The sinking of a ship is attributed to the sailor as the cause, from the fact that he does not fulfil what the safety of the ship requires; but God does not fail in doing what is necessary for the safety of all. Hence there is no parity.
Summa Theologica

Purity said:

Firstly you can see Peter is using a simile "something is likened to something"

So whatever Peter has in his mind to the nature of the adversary - he defines it as being a "false accuser" or devil.

I will answer in point form if that's ok?

1. Be sober relates to the mind, thinking, spirit, thoughts etc.
2. Be Alert is to keep awake, keep on your guard, do not sleep." This word Jesus had used when speaking to Peter, James and John on the night he was betrayed in the Garden of Gethsemane. There they had failed (Mat 26:38. Mat 26:40-41
3. Your adversary; is he Greek Antidikos signifies an opponent at law. There were many prepared to hail Christians before the courts, even as Paul had done before conversion. With the hardening attitude of Rome towards Christians the danger was about to grow.
4. The devil - The adversary, the false accuser. Like Christ before the Jewish authorities, many Christians were hailed before the courts and falsely accused of crimes they never committed. Nero himself made false accusations against Christians and ordered their deaths.
5. As a roaring lion - The adversary is likened to a hungry, ferocious beast, seeking prey (see 2 Ti 4:17; Psa 22:12 to Psa 13:21).
6. The figure is that of a hungry, roaring lion stalking his prey. It is an apt illustration of the ferocity of Rome against the Christians in the days of Nero, and of the Roman Catholic Church in its persecuting fervour during the fullness of its power.

Nothing in this verse is suggestive of a supernatural being reigning in a place of eternal darkness / fire.

P.

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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

​You seem to have topic training...the indoctrination of your cult leads one to believe the revealed knowledge from your teachers is the truth, yet plain reading of the scriptures reveals truth better than any teacher.

Purity said:

Yes Old Jack its the tree He created

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I've seen some evil trees in cartoons, ie, am old but never did grow up, use to watch cartoons.

Thank you for your response again!

Even in the case of the tree of life, the power is not to sought in the physical character of the fruit. Not the tree he created for sure. The trees are actually sacramental in character.



Precisely who is the adversary in Rev 20?

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Finally down to my paygrade, ie, Satan in his person, ie, not a personification or spiritual power or?

Old Jack

btw the fallen angel = Satan