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Revelation 16:8-9,10-11

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; [SIZE=14pt]and[/SIZE] his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

How hot will the sun become?

Isaiah 30:25-26
25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days[SIZE=14pt], (WHEN)[/SIZE] in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. (SOON)

If the sun is 7 times stronger then now and the reflection off the moon is as bright as the sun today, why would darkness be a judgment?

Where will it be dark?

Daniel 11:36,45
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

During the tribulation the antichrist will have his seat of power in Israel.

How will God cause darkness on Israel?

Habakkuk 3:11-13
11The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.
12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.
13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.
Isaiah 60:1-2
[SIZE=10pt]1[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]2[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]When the sun becomes 7 times stronger God will cause a permanent solar eclipse over the people of Israel to save them from the sun. The eclipse will last during the kingdom age.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Isaiah 60:19-22[/SIZE]
19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
20[SIZE=14pt]Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself:[/SIZE] for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

When the sun and moon stand still over Israel for over 1000 years, America will become an ice cap. America is probably the kingdom of antichrist since it is judged with darkness!
 

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Eric, you are mixing up several separate prophetic events.
The Isaiah 30:25-26 relates to the Sixth Seal. That will be a Coronal Mass Ejection, that will cause the sky to roll up like a scroll, paralleled in 2 Peter 3:7 & 10 and Isaiah 34:4 A CME will also make the moon shine blood red.
I see Isaiah 60:19-21 as happening after the Millennium; the new heaven and earth.
The Trumpet and vial punishments come later, during the Great Tribulation.
Your ideas of a permanent eclipse and America becoming an ice cap are pure speculation.
 

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keras said:
Eric, you are mixing up several separate prophetic events.
The Isaiah 30:25-26 relates to the Sixth Seal. That will be a Coronal Mass Ejection, that will cause the sky to roll up like a scroll, paralleled in 2 Peter 3:7 & 10 and Isaiah 34:4 A CME will also make the moon shine blood red.
I see Isaiah 60:19-21 as happening after the Millennium; the new heaven and earth.
The Trumpet and vial punishments come later, during the Great Tribulation.
Your ideas of a permanent eclipse and America becoming an ice cap are pure speculation.
Keras,

Isaiah 30:19-24 is Israel today.

Isaiah 30:25-26 will happen during the tribulation when the heavens are caught on fire and rolled up as a scroll which will cause the sun to become hotter and hotter as time passes. It happens when the hot blast of the terrible ones destroys the vail and covert over every nation Isaiah 25:4-7.

[SIZE=14pt]Isaiah 25:4-7[/SIZE]
4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.
5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.


Isaiah 60:19-21 is during the thousand year kingdom. Notice that people have children so that one becomes a thousand.
 

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Thank you folks for caring!

The best commentary specifically on Isa.60:19 is Rev.21:23 & 22:5. The new heavens and new earth with no future "Millennial," ie, we're presently at the very end of the "Millennial."

Old Jack that always did appreciate v.19 for some reason?
 

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Thank you folks for caring!

The best commentary specifically on Isa.60:19 is Rev.21:23 & 22:5. The new heavens and new earth with no future "Millennial," ie, we're presently at the very end of the "Millennial."

Old Jack that always did appreciate v.19 for some reason?
[SIZE=14pt]Malachi 4:1-3[/SIZE]
1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the [SIZE=14pt]Sun[/SIZE] of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Revelation 1:7-8,14-16
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
 

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Eric E Stahl said:
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Malachi 4:1-3
1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the [SIZE=14pt]Sun[/SIZE] of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Revelation 1:7-8,14-16
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Thank you for caring!

Only a head's up, that is, Mal.4:1-3 is the future "1" Parousia - the end. No ushing in any Jewish Millennial here.

Old Jack
 

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shturt678 said:
Thank you for caring!

Only a head's up, that is, Mal.4:1-3 is the future "1" Parousia - the end. No ushing in any Jewish Millennial here.

Old Jack
Wrong Jack; you must get to know the purpose of God for Israel.
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shturt678 said:
Thank you for caring!

Only a head's up, that is, Mal.4:1-3 is the future "1" Parousia - the end. No ushing in any Jewish Millennial here.

Old Jack
Isaiah 60 explains that all the Jews will be brought to Israel during the 1000 year kingdom age. The Gentiles get the rest of earth.
 

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Eric E Stahl said:
Isaiah 60 explains that all the Jews will be brought to Israel during the 1000 year kingdom age. The Gentiles get the rest of earth.
Good.
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Wrong Jack; you must get to know the purpose of God for Israel.
Floyd.
Thank you for your response and caring again!

The best commentary on the purpose of God for the nation Israel is in Rom.9:6 & 11:25, 26.

The best commentary on the Antichrist is IIThess.2:4 where he already rules in men's hearts today (naos) "Sanctuary" ("Kingdom of the Antichrist").

Old Jack
 

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shturt678 said:
Thank you for your response and caring again!

The best commentary on the purpose of God for the nation Israel is in Rom.9:6 & 11:25, 26.

The best commentary on the Antichrist is IIThess.2:4 where he already rules in men's hearts today (naos) "Sanctuary" ("Kingdom of the Antichrist").

Old Jack
No!
Floyd.
 

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Eric E Stahl said:
Isaiah 60 explains that all the Jews will be brought to Israel during the 1000 year kingdom age. The Gentiles get the rest of earth.
Thank you for your response and caring!

The mood of Isa.59 is dull and gloomy. The situation involved is depressing. Isa.60 breathes high hopes. Rom.11:26, 27 appropriates four lines from Isa.59:20, 21 and 27:9 bringing out the substance of the point Paul is presenting. "The Deliverer," the Go'el (Hebrew, the Vindicator who takes Jacob's part) is the Redeemer (see Job 19:25).

For if this Goel comes "out of Zion," as Paul says, he will not come "out of heaven," as the millennialist think. "Out of Zion" refers to Christ's first advent.

Old Jack
 

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shturt678 said:
Thank you for your response and caring!

The mood of Isa.59 is dull and gloomy. The situation involved is depressing. Isa.60 breathes high hopes. Rom.11:26, 27 appropriates four lines from Isa.59:20, 21 and 27:9 bringing out the substance of the point Paul is presenting. "The Deliverer," the Go'el (Hebrew, the Vindicator who takes Jacob's part) is the Redeemer (see Job 19:25).

For if this Goel comes "out of Zion," as Paul says, he will not come "out of heaven," as the millennialist think. "Out of Zion" refers to Christ's first advent.

Old Jack
A Kingdom of Priests unto God

[SIZE=14pt]The common view and teaching on this subject, is that the Redeemed of the Lord (Jesus Christ), make up the members of “the Kingdom and Priests”. The Redeemed are at present drawn from all nations of the world, and all races, and the only criterion is acceptance of Jesus Christ’s Sacrificial Death on the Calvary Cross! That “Kingdom” is the Millennial Kingdom and Reign of Christ Messiah Jesus, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]and is instigated by Him at [/SIZE]His return to Earth to save His people Israel[SIZE=14pt], [/SIZE]and to judge the Gentile nations[SIZE=14pt].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Part of the reason for this understanding and teaching is the mistranslation by the 1611 King James Version of the Bible, where various words which should have been translated ‘kingdom’, were translatedkings’![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Below are two examples of this error in the first chapter of Revelation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The simple fact is that the reference in the Old Testament to "Kingdom of Priests" applies to the Jews only; and the source text is Ex. 19:6. When the culmination of that promise transpires, the two references below show the fulfilment.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Rev. 1:6.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And made us a (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]kingdom and priests unto God His Father;[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] to Him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Amen[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a) This in AV, and in the minds of C. of E., and many other groups is translated [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]kings[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]! [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] This huge error which leaves Christians thinking that it refers to them in the Millennium is not easily changed. However, the true translation is [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"kingdom," [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]which means that the future Jewish nation in the Millennial Reign of Christ, will be an established Nation to the promised borders (as opposed to the present oppressed tiny nation) part of which will be Priests to Him, (Rev. 5: 9,10. ) (Rev. 20:4-6.) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]The offer made by Jehovah to Israel in Exodus 19:4-6 & 8; they accepted, and then[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]broke their word.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]However, Jehovah again re-offered in Jer. 31:31-34, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]which Israel again rejected at Acts 28:28. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Messiah- Christ's return will restore Israel, some to the Priestly function, (Isa. 61:6 ,66:21 and 1Peter 2:9,) see also later notes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Rev. 5:10[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a)And hast made them for our God a kingdom, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]a priestly kingdom,http://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/chapter5.htm[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]the[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]y[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] shall reign on the earth.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a) This verse clearly shows the eventual function of those redeemed out of the 12 tribes of Israel and [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]perhaps[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]as described above from the Gentiles, and those retained at the resurrection and judgement of Israel (Ex. 19:6,) they are to be a kingdom of priests to CHRIST (see 1:6,) called Overcomers.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](b) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"They;"[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] the Authorised Version (A.V.,) states "we," as also does INT. However, on examination of the Greek (Str. No. 936 [935]) refers to "power," or "rule." The "we," or "they," must be deduced from the context, which in this case refers to (V.9) those redeemed from the 12 tribes of Israel. Therefore [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]the word in context certainly should be THEY.[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] Dr. Bullinger gives "they," J.N. Darby "they," N.I.V. "they," Revised Standard "they," and Moffett "they."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Again, most people are taught that Revelation applies to the ‘church’, and to Christians. However, in the view of the writers and many others, it applies to the Jewish nation, and to the Gentile nations (this can be examined in [/SIZE][SIZE=13.5pt]www.revelationsmessage.co.uk[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] ).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]What then is the basic thesis of the above comments! In Ex.19:6, Jehovah God stated that Israel would be “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation”, with the proviso that they should obey Him, and keep His Covenant! This was confirmed and elaborated by Peter in 1Peter 2:9, in his letters to the Jews of the Diaspora, approx. AD60. He is here talking to Jews, prior to Acts 28. As the Jewish hierarchy rejected Christ as Messiah at Acts 28:28, the fulfilment of their destiny as a nation of priests is in abeyance, until that time that they will accept the proviso of Ex.19:5![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The description of the yet future priesthood of the Jewish nation is well described in Isaiah 61:6, and 66:21.[/SIZE]
 

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Floyd said:




[SIZE=14pt]The common view and teaching on this subject, is that the Redeemed of the Lord (Jesus Christ), make up the members of “the Kingdom and Priests”. The Redeemed are at present drawn from all nations of the world, and all races, and the only criterion is acceptance of Jesus Christ’s Sacrificial Death on the Calvary Cross! That “Kingdom” is the Millennial Kingdom and Reign of Christ Messiah Jesus, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]and is instigated by Him at [/SIZE]His return to Earth to save His people Israel[SIZE=14pt], [/SIZE]and to judge the Gentile nations[SIZE=14pt].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Part of the reason for this understanding and teaching is the mistranslation by the 1611 King James Version of the Bible, where various words which should have been translated ‘kingdom’, were translatedkings’![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Below are two examples of this error in the first chapter of Revelation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The simple fact is that the reference in the Old Testament to "Kingdom of Priests" applies to the Jews only; and the source text is Ex. 19:6. When the culmination of that promise transpires, the two references below show the fulfilment.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt][/SIZE]

Rev. 1:6.

[SIZE=14pt]And made us a (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]kingdom and priests unto God His Father;[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] to Him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. ( B)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Amen[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a) This in AV, and in the minds of C. of E., and many other groups is translated [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]kings[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]! [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] This huge error which leaves Christians thinking that it refers to them in the Millennium is not easily changed. However, the true translation is [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"kingdom," [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]which means that the future Jewish nation in the Millennial Reign of Christ, will be an established Nation to the promised borders (as opposed to the present oppressed tiny nation) part of which will be Priests to Him, (Rev. 5: 9,10. ) (Rev. 20:4-6.) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]The offer made by Jehovah to Israel in Exodus 19:4-6 & 8; they accepted, and then[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]broke their word.[/SIZE]

Thank you for your caring again!

Rev.1:6, "and he made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father:..." Not "kingdom and priests." What Israel was to be, Christ made us to be. Where the King (the Godman Lord Jesus Christ) is there He rules with His power of grace there He produces His Kingdom. We're nearing the end of the 1,000 where too many are looking forward to its coming.

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However, Jehovah again re-offered in Jer. 31:31-34,
[SIZE=14pt]which Israel again rejected at Acts 28:28. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Messiah- Christ's return will restore Israel, some to the Priestly function, (Isa. 61:6 ,66:21 and 1Peter 2:9,) see also later notes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Rev. 5:10[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a)And hast made them for our God a kingdom, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]a priestly kingdom,http://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/chapter5.htm[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and ( B)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]the[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]y[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] shall reign on the earth.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a) This verse clearly shows the eventual function of those redeemed out of the 12 tribes of Israel and [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]perhaps[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]as described above from the Gentiles, and those retained at the resurrection and judgement of Israel (Ex. 19:6,) they are to be a kingdom of priests to CHRIST (see 1:6,) called Overcomers.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]( B) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"They;"[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] the Authorised Version (A.V.,) states "we," as also does INT. However, on examination of the Greek (Str. No. 936 [935]) refers to "power," or "rule." The "we," or "they," must be deduced from the context, which in this case refers to (V.9) those redeemed from the 12 tribes of Israel. Therefore [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]the word in context certainly should be THEY.[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] Dr. Bullinger gives "they," J.N. Darby "they," N.I.V. "they," Revised Standard "they," and Moffett "they."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Again, most people are taught that Revelation applies to the ‘church’, and to Christians. However, in the view of the writers and many others, it applies to the Jewish nation, and to the Gentile nations (this can be examined in [/SIZE][SIZE=13.5pt]www.revelationsmessage.co.uk[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] ).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]What then is the basic thesis of the above comments! In Ex.19:6, Jehovah God stated that Israel would be “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation”, with the proviso that they should obey Him, and keep His Covenant! This was confirmed and elaborated by Peter in 1Peter 2:9, in his letters to the Jews of the Diaspora, approx. AD60. He is here talking to Jews, prior to Acts 28. As the Jewish hierarchy rejected Christ as Messiah at Acts 28:28, the fulfilment of their destiny as a nation of priests is in abeyance, until that time that they will accept the proviso of Ex.19:5![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The description of the yet future priesthood of the Jewish nation is well described in Isaiah 61:6, and 66:21.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Old Jack[/SIZE]
 

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[SIZE=small]CHAPTER 16[/SIZE]


[SIZE=14pt]NOTE:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Now follows here some details of the terrible physical Judgements on the peoples of the Nations on earth, who had and will cause to be rejected, derided and persecuted the people of God prior to Christ's Second Advent; the Jews, and Christians prior to Revelation, and the Ecclesia and Overcomers of Revelation. The details are so horrific in human terms, that in verses 5 and 6, clear justification of God's actions are proclaimed by a loyal angel! It is clear that Almighty God is deeply affected by what He is instigating here, and as The Only Righteous One, His feelings for His Creation, despite its depravity, is deep beyond our ability to fathom! This makes sense and chimes with verse 8 of Chapter 15.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Those humans in the above category that are already dead, must await their just deserts when they are resurrected to Judgement[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] at the "Great White Throne;" (Rev. 20!)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.1[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a)And I heard a [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]great voice out of the[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Temple[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] saying to the[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] seven angels,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] “Go your ways, and[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] This command from Jehovah Zebaoth (God of all the earth’s people; [Hosts],) to pour out [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]HIS WRATH,[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] upon the earth. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt](See Chp. 15:1-5-8.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](b)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]“Temple;” [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] see Matt. 23: 16-21, and back references in O.T[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.2 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]the first[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] went, and poured out his vial on the earth; and there fell a (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]noisome [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]and (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]grievous [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]sore upon the (c)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]men and women which[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]had the [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt](d)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]mark of the beast, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt](e)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]and upon them that worship his image.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]“Noisome;” [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Interlinear translates; (Str. No. 2556,) “injurious,” “bad,” “evil,” “harm,” “ill,” “wicked,” “noisome.” NKJV has "foul and loathsome".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](b)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]“Grievous;” [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Interlinear translates; (Str. No. 4190,) “evil,” “degeneracy,” “calamitous,” “diseased.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](c)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] “Men;” Interlinear translates; (Str. No. 444,) (Greek ANTHROPOS,) “a human being,” therefore both male and female![/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](d)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] See earlier chapters, 13, 14, (particularly 14:9,10,11 and notes.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](e)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt] May or may not be marked, but worship “his image,” i.e. worship Satan! See Chps. 13 and 14.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.3 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]the second [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]angel poured out his vial [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]on the sea; [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and it became the (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]blood of a dead[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]man:[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and every living (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]soul died in the sea.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Blood putrefies after death, and accelerates the decomposition process. In this case it would impede all sea life. As our planet relies on the oceans for cleansing and survival, the meaning seems obvious. Almighty God is stepping up the pressure on humankind in the context of "His Wrath."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](b)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] “Soul;” translates; (Str. No. 5590) (Greek PSUCHE.) This has many meanings depending on the case; here, the meaning is “creature,” (App. 110,1,2.) See Rev. 6:9, and 20:13(b.)[/SIZE] See also Gen. 2:7, and [SIZE=12pt]Soul and Spirit, The Error:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.4 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a)And [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]the third [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]angel poured out his vial on[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] the rivers and fountains of waters and they became blood.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] All water, land and sea, turned to blood, therefore as all people need water more than food, a terrifying immediate prospect of death, (i.e. days only!) (Matt. 24:22) (Mark 13:20.)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.5 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a)And I heard [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]the angel of the waters[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]say, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"Thou art righteous, O Lord, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]which [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]art,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]wast,[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]and shall be,[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]because Thou hast judged thus.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Approval and confirmation of Jehovah God’s act, by heavenly creation, (who understand!)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]See 7(a.) [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.6 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Thou hast given them blood to drink: for they are worthy.[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt][/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a) This retribution on these peoples is for the clearly stated killing (murder) of Jews and Gentiles during the Age of Revelation and previously, who trust in Christ, have "[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]washed their robes in the blood of The Lamb,[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]"[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] and have "overcome unto death." When our Lord spoke to His people the Jews during His first Advent; He referred to their persecution of those prophets He had sent to them, and the resulting judgement on them at their resurrection. He showed also[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]"that the Owner of the vineyard sent his Son whom they put to death!"[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt](Matt. 2:34-35, etc.)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.7 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a)And I heard[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] the angel of the alter[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]say,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] “Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are Thy judgements.” [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a) In Ephesians 3:10, Paul the great Apostle to the Gentiles, shows the importance of the church (The True Body) and its example/ witness to heavenly beings/ creation. Here one of those beings is confirming that though terrible, the judgement and retribution Jehovah God has wreaked on the remaining human population is[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] just and beyond reproach![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.8 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And the [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]fourth angel [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]poured out his vial on the sun; and power was given unto him to [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]scorch men with fire.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.9 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And men were scorched with great heat, and (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]blasphemed the name of God, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Which hath power over these plagues: [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]and they repented not to give Him[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt](b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Glory. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Despite the fact that people by then know who has control of all power; and that even then they can acknowledge and praise Him, they choose[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] to blaspheme His name! See note 14:1(c.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](b)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] “Glory;” Interlinear translates (Str. No. 1391) (Greek DOXA,) “dignity,” “honour,” “glory,” “praise,” “Worship;” [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] then, as now, people prefer Satan in the majority![/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]This has to do with the pride of men in their Genesis acquired powers, (Gen.3:5,) which are enhanced by Satan when people move towards him. The further people move in his direction, the harder it is for them to turn to God their maker through Christ. It is possible to turn to Christ and obtain salvation, and that is an act of will and contrition at the foot of The Cross which expunges Satan from the person. From then on the walk with Christ is a day by day experience, which is aided by The Lord's Spirit! This is only possible during this present Age of Grace. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.10 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And the [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]fifth angel[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] poured out his vial [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]on the [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]seat of the beast; [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]and his (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]tongues for pain.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]“Seat;”[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Interlinear translates throne, (Str. No. 2362.) See Chp. 2:12-13, and notes. This verse and its references [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]to the throne of Satan at Pergamum[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt],[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] indicating that the 7 churches (ecclesia) are yet future (11/4/03.) (Revised 22/8/07.) (Revised 2012.) (Revised 2014.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](b)[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]Satan’s kingdom, based in Pergamum, present day Turkey; but is worldwide; See Chp. 18, and see [/SIZE] Babylon [SIZE=medium](Separate study ) [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]and[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium] Mystery Babylon: (Separate study)[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.11 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]blasphemed [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Again the same old reaction blasphemy and lack of repentance! [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]See14:1(c,) Matt. 23 etc.http://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/chapter14.html#The Name of Christ is reviled,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.12 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And the [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]sixth angel[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] poured out his vial on the great river (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Euphrates;[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]kings [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]of the east might be prepared.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] See Chp. 9:14-16, and notes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](b)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] See Chp. 9: in total and notes. "Kings of the east." The literal translation, "kings of the rising sun!" This statement brings into play the thought of "kings" farther east than Persia (Iran,) and the capacity to produce a 200,000,000 man army, if that number is correct, which seems to be the case![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.13 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And I saw three [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]unclean spirits[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]like frogs come out of the [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]mouth of the dragon,[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]and out of the[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] mouth of the beast,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and out of the[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]mouth of the false prophet.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.14 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]For they are spirits of[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]demons, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth, and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of the great day of GOD THE ALMIGHTY.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] These demonic messengers, one from each of the false trinity, go to the Satanically powerful kings of the earth[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt], [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]to bring them to the battle (Armageddon See V.16,) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]and the great day of Almighty God, on the battlefield in Israel (Armageddon.) (Megiddo.); approx. 70miles north of Jerusalem.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.15 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth,[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]and[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] keepeth his garments,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] lest he walk naked, and they [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]see his shame[/SIZE][SIZE=13.5pt].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a) [/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt] The implication here is that the signs are there to be seen! The event will be sudden, but predictable [/SIZE](see Matt. 24.)

[SIZE=14pt]V.16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]He/they[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] gathered [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt](b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Armageddon.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] “He;” the 1611 translators for C. of E. again in error. This “he:” should be with the capital H to mean “He[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt],” i.e. Almighty God. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]The Interlinear has the correction. However; as the reference is to V.14, the demons, the purpose is the gathering together of the nations to war/annihilate the people of Israel at 'Har-mageddon' (Armageddon.) Although the demons by implication are the agents, 'He' (Jehovah God) is in control because it is taking place in the "Day of Jehovah" (Rev. 1:10.) Also the process of "the vials" is underway V.12, which is under the control of "the Lamb who is Worthy," Rev. 5:9.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]As a note of interest, AV gives "he," Darby "he," NIV "they," Youngs Literal "they," Moffatt "they were mustered" (referring to the nations,) Interlinear "He," NKJV "they."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](b) “Armageddon;” (Har-Megeddon,) this word means “mount of Megiddo,” (Comp. page 1905.) See Judges 5:19, Isa. 10:28. It is located in the[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]YEZREEL VALLEY.[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]It has been a battlefield between kingdoms for more than 4000 years B.C.! It is mentioned in various ancient writings including the Pharaoh Thutmose 3rd (1500 B.C.) The king of Megiddo was one of the kings defeated by Joshua (Josh. 12:21.) The city of Megiddo did not become of the tribal allotments until King David. General Allenby fought and won a battle with the Turks there, (Ottoman Empire) and received the title of “Lord of Megiddo” for that victory in the First World War. It lies approx. 70 miles due north of Jerusalem! [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Note (2012) (2014)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The Ottomans were part of the German 'Axis' in the 1914-18 war, and as their southern flank, was crucial to the outcome. Allenby gave his support for the state of Israel together with Winston Churchill, and T.E. Lawrence. It is not generally known that Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia,) was so involved with this effort, as so much of his life is unknown, due in part to many of his roles for the Government. Government Papers released so far show his very active role in trying to establish a 'State of Israel with Churchill and Allenby.' Allenby commented that "without Lawrence's efforts with the Arabs during the 1914-18 war, we could not have won!"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The historian Sir Martin Gilbert stated of Lawrence "he was a serious Zionist." [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Thus the 1914-18 war paved the way for the 1948 League of Nation's sanction of the 'Jewish State,' and the events still current leading from the temporal State, to that of the one of prophecy, in the yet future.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]As is well known, Pergamum is now in Turkey (which is currently looking less politically stable) . The recent events of the ‘Arab Spring,” started in early 2011, and is now encompassing most the countries named in the Bible that are involved in the ‘end times’ regarding Israel. Turkey has recently cooled its relationship with Israel, and is in early conflict with Syria. Syrian conflict has escalated recently. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The Caucuses and Russia are on the fringes of these developments; and the recent discovery of oil off the coast of Israel is causing Turkey and Cyprus to explore their waters to see if they have oil wealth. There is clearly plenty of motive force to expand hostilities in this volatile area, with Israel central! The reparations of the 1st World War in the area under General Allenby, Winston Churchill and T.E. Lawrence leading to the 1948 State of Israel, and the division of Arab lands has clearly farther to go, and will lead into the prophetic land of Israel and the Reign of God on earth, as per the ‘Lord’s Prayer!’[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.17[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And the [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]seventh angel [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]poured out his vial [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt](b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]into the air; and there came a (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “IT IS DONE.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a) [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]“Great voice;” [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]God Almighty,[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] from the throne[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] “IT IS DONE.” [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]This great climax in the dealing with mankind,[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]this point ends the rule of man[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]. (Joel 2:11.) See "Use and Abuse of Joel's Prophecy" now "Joel Prophecy: Past and Future", Mike Penny, (www.obt.org.uk.) [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Our Lord said [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]“It is finished,” (John 19:30,) [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]when He had completed the work on the cross of Calvary. At the point where the Father states “It is done,”[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] our Lord’s enemies are made His footstool.[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]Psm. 110:1, Matt. 22:44, Mark 12:36, Heb. 10:13.)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]This is just prior to Christ’s rule from Jerusalem when He and His Father’s name will be one, (Zech. 14:9.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](b)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Charles Welch makes the interesting point in his book 'This Prophecy' on page 196, that the 7th angel pouring out his vial "into the air," is dealing with Satan himself; as "the prince of the authority of the air" (Eph. 2:2).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt] V.18 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And there were[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] voices[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt], and [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]thunders, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]and [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]lightnings; [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and there was a (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a) There have been very great earthquakes in man’s recorded history, but this one yet to be will be the largest ever in man’s time on earth. Science knows the great devastations that have happened in the past, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt](See: Velikoski "World in Upheaval,”)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] but this one surpasses them all[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt].[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] (See note at the beginning of Chapter 9.) As is known from Scripture (Zech. 14:8, Ezk. 47:8 and other verses of those Chapters) at some stage in the future prior to the Millennial Reign, Jerusalem will apparently become a sea port. This is possibly due to the great earth quake quoted in verse 18, however, as the reading of the above text show the water apparently flows from the site of the Temple in Jerusalem, and is fresh! There is also the statement that the Dead Sea is "healed," which almost certainly means that it will support marine life. As at present the Dead Sea is approx. 1300 ft below Sea level, the volume of water flowing from Jerusalem clearly will be very large. As Jerusalem is inland from the Mediterranean Sea and is approximately 700 metres above current sea level, the possibility is that the same earth quake will reduce the height quoted, (Isa.40:4); or Jerusalem will sit at that future time high above the sea port that will exist. It seems that the new sea way would run from the Mediterranean from West to East via Jerusalem to the Dead Sea flowing south eventually into the Gulf of Aqaba and on into the Red Sea.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.19[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And the (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]great city was divided into three parts,[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]and the (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]cities of the nation's fell; [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]and (c)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt] “The great city;” Jerusalem.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](b)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]“Cities of the nation's fell;” [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]unimaginable devastation as New York, Toronto, Boston, London, Sydney, Tokyo, to name a few, the skyscrapers falling, the panic, the destruction, the desolation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](c)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]“Great Babylon;” the source of all the world’s pagan religions and Satanic systems, (see Dan. 4:30,) (Gen. 10:10,) (Gen. 11:9.) See also earlier notes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.20 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And every (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]island [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]fled away, and the mountains were not found. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] The result of the great quake, will be no mountains, and movement of the world's islands! Knowing as we do today that land masses are floating on a sea of molten rock, the violence of the upheavals will possibly push land masses together, as in the ancient past. (Isa. 24:19-23.)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]And there[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt](a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]talent:[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and men (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]blasphemed God [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](a)[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]“Talent;” [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] about 114 lbs. (approx. 52 KG.) Obviously deadly[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt](b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] The usual response from totally unredeemable people. See14:1(c.)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Floyd.[/SIZE]
 

Eric E Stahl

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People of Israel leave Russia and America for God is going to judge them!

Zechariah 2:6-9
6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.
8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

Over 1,250,000 Jews have left Russia and gone home to Israel.

So where are the Jews in the daughter of Babylon?

There are 6,000,000 Jews in America and only 3,000,000 Jews spread around the rest of the world.
America is probably the daughter of Babylon and future kingdom of antichrist called Babylon in Revelation 16:19.
 

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So where are the Jews in the daughter of Babylon?

There are 6,000,000 Jews in America and only 3,000,000 Jews spread around the rest of the world.
America is probably the daughter of Babylon and future kingdom of antichrist called Babylon in Revelation 16:19.



Eric, Babylon is an interesting mystery. Many people I know and have known, are of the opinion that ancient Babylon must be rebuilt; but not IMO.
The following is a taster of a full text; which can be seen on this link. Babylon

Floyd.



[SIZE=16pt]Babylon[/SIZE]


[SIZE=18pt]The origin of Babylon is well documented in Genesis 10:10, and was originally called "Babel" (in the Semitic = "Bab-ili" = "the gate of the god"; Comp. Bible).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]In Genesis 11:2 onwards, is given the account of the building of Bab-ili "in the land of Shinar", and in v6 the consternation of the Godhead regarding the speed of progress of the people in intellectual and physical development; because of their condition "as gods", which was due to Satan's successful assault on Eve and Adam in Genesis 3, and its results up to that point in Shinar![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]The fact of their common language allowed very quick communication and development of ideas, which, had it been allowed to continue, would have thwarted the Plan of God embodied in Genesis 3:15; the Promise of Messiah, to save the human race from the clutches and destruction of Satan![/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]The Plan of God had to be allowed to develop to the stage we are at now, with Israel the focus point of all the world's conflict and antipathy, yet to be resolved at Armageddon![/SIZE]
 

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To All,

"Mystery Babylon" really shouldn't be a "mystery". Have none of you followed NYC's attempt to restrict the size of a soft drink?


[SIZE=12pt]The Babylonian empire was “the first true metropolis in western history, a business as well as an administrative center,”[/SIZE][SIZE=8pt][1][/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] -- the prototype of governments as we see them to this day. The Babylonians controlled trade and commerce across western Asia, from the Mediterranean Sea to the Persian Gulf, building highways, legislating business, and beautifying the capital.[/SIZE][SIZE=8pt][2][/SIZE]


[SIZE=8pt][1][/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]John B. Christopher and Robert Lee Wolf, A History of Civilization, Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1967, [/SIZE] p. 35


[SIZE=8pt][2][/SIZE] Will Durant, Story of Civilization: Part II, Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 223-224





And where "Babylon" was founded in Mesopotamia, it's pinnacle city is now NYC, -- as recognized by even the Superman comics --, but shall soon be located in Jerusalem:

Daniel 11
45 And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him.



It's this model which the Great Stone shall strike, and replace with a NEW Millennial Kingdom model.


With Best Regards,
DD
 

Floyd

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shturt678 said:
Thank you folks for caring!

Only a head's up, ie, "Babylon the Great, Mystery (Rev.14:8; 17:5) = The antichristian empire, not neglecting her seductionl.

We don't want to be seduced do we?

Old Jack
Jack; where do you get this stuff?
Wrong again IMO.
Floyd.