Are The elect saved before they believe the gospel ?

savedbygrace57
Ditto you need not ask a bunch of questions until you are born again sir..You have rejected scripture for your own philosophy..I dont have time to keep answering your questions..
You have not answered any,but that's a good cop out.Not that you will answer,but hypothetically speaking if I am not saved as you sugest,is'nt it your duty as a christian to answer my questions,after all Im in the dark,and it's your duty to guide me to the light,now can you please tell me how you can do that wiithout answering my questions?

savedbygrace57
My answer,2 tim 223But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
Do you know the meaning of that verse,and trust me it's not what you think

@n2thelight, if you want Answers seek God not savedbygrace57 who seems to know everything(harmless sarcasm), But he's still my brother. If you seek him, fear him, and pray for knowledge and understanding he will give you knowledge. Men cannot offer you anything, just present you the Word. The Holy Spirit does the explaining. Fast or something and pray on it

(savedbygrace57;24190)
I consider your questions foolish an unlearned, I look at your posts , I dont think you have biblical sense at all, just being honest with you..
God is love, not "mocking and ridiculing." I have looked at your posts and they are continuously on the "other side" of "be ye kind, tenderhearted." Souls are not won by your spirit of "haughtiness." When I share, it's what I believe to be truth, yet I may be wrong in my assessment because I'm a very "flawed" human being, yet let us not think we are "better" than anyone else. Galatians 6:3. I have noticed that "some" have actually apologized to you, for no other reason being, they have a Christian spirit, you have not exhibited any like such thing. Please, show a "dash" of a "lovable spirit." God loves you! If anyone on this post is in agreement please respond, for the sake of those who are weak in the faith. Matthew 18. May God have mercy on our souls.Jake

(Unorthodox Christian;24221)
@n2thelight, if you want Answers seek God not savedbygrace57 who seems to know everything(harmless sarcasm), But he's still my brother. If you seek him, fear him, and pray for knowledge and understanding he will give you knowledge. Men cannot offer you anything, just present you the Word. The Holy Spirit does the explaining. Fast or something and pray on it
I agree with you dear brother, I may have displayed "doctrine" that some do not agree with, but we need not "mock and ridicule" as "savedbygrace" has so willingly or perhaps unknowingly has exhibited. May God have mercy on our souls! God does love you "savedbygrace." But why do you display so "obviously" a "haughty" spirit." May all of us repent. Jake

(Unorthodox Christian;24221)
@n2thelight, if you want Answers seek God not savedbygrace57 who seems to know everything(harmless sarcasm), But he's still my brother. If you seek him, fear him, and pray for knowledge and understanding he will give you knowledge. Men cannot offer you anything, just present you the Word. The Holy Spirit does the explaining. Fast or something and pray on it
May the leadership take some "leadership" in this situation. I have people all the time in my church show a great lack of respect for each other. I understand! For I was homeless for years, early on in my life, yet there are "some boundaries" that even the unbelievers exhibit that are not given by "savedbygrace."

It's amazing savedbygrace57, i PRAY that you see how stiff you can be. I used to hate Poor people, I despised them, WHEN I RECEIVED THE GIFT OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD, I started to feel sorry for them. I looked at them like brothers. Even when they were drunk. But most of the ones I speak to are humble, kind, and lost in the mind. But anyways. Savedbygrace57, we all came to christ with a Mind like a Baby, or we must have one like a mind like a baby so that he can reveal things unto us. If you were truly like this and believe you are doing a serive, I would not suffer you to become a pastor in my congregation. BUT God Bless

(Unorthodox Christian;24235)
It's amazing savedbygrace57, i PRAY that you see how stiff you can be. I used to hate Poor people, I despised them, WHEN I RECEIVED THE GIFT OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD, I started to feel sorry for them. I looked at them like brothers. Even when they were drunk. But most of the ones I speak to are humble, kind, and lost in the mind. But anyways. Savedbygrace57, we all came to christ with a Mind like a Baby, or we must have one like a mind like a baby so that he can reveal things unto us. If you were truly like this and believe you are doing a serive, I would not suffer you to become a pastor in my congregation. BUT God Bless
Thanks for the testimony, did you grow up in a "rich" family? Was there a precondition, or an environmental background you were born into? Thanks,Jake

(savedbygrace57;24241)
I see false accusations I never said I hated anyone..just because I believe ones testimony is false does not mean I hate them..lol
To LOL, (Laugh Out Loud) is certainly a "mocking" of one's beliefs, or in the original, to "scorn" means to LAUGH AT. What do you mean when you put "lol" behind many of your posts? There is a certain "context" and maturity of reasonableness when we address human life. A "sympathetic" spirit is needed, for we cannot fathom where one is coming from. Have you been hurt deeply dear brother in some way? Jake

(savedbygrace57;24252)
I judge by the gospel standard as does paul , if a persons testimony conforms not to the truth of the gospel..let them be accursed said paul who knows more about biblical love than you will ever know sir..gal 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. In fact I am sure you know absolutely nothing of biblical love..you just mouthing off...Gods love is centered in the love of His truth,,Jn 4:23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
So be it, your compassion for mankind is noted, and you have taken Paul's statement so out of context I have no reply. I have not seen one "iota" of compassion, sympathy, tenderness, love, or mercy from your spirit. How do you evaluate these concepts from God ... and Paul by the way. You are loved by God.Jake

(preciousmessage;24240)
Thanks for the testimony, did you grow up in a "rich" family? Was there a precondition, or an environmental background you were born into? Thanks,Jake
No, cause as my family slowly climb up the ladder, I didn't like Beggars. I thought to myself, if my mother came from nothing into something, why can't they? Then I realized that even if we are in the "richest country" where ever ignorance and corruption is, poverty, both spiritual and literal will dwell. So then I started to imagine if I was poor and never had the resources or step others had in life. So I vouch for them. Some people can be so mentally distraught that they can't come to any conclusion in life but to stay where they are at. At a corner alone, in darkness with no hope. But with all the ones I come across, I tell them, if you are going to accept my food, you have to Accept Christ as well. The physical food foreshadows the spiritual food. I Tell them, this food will be tasty to your mouth and belly, but the Word that I will present to you, CHRIST is sweet to your mouth, but bitter in your Belly. Taken from Revelation 10. Anyways, I grew up average and still am average.

preciousmessage
@n2thelight, if you want Answers seek God not savedbygrace57 who seems to know everything(harmless sarcasm), But he's still my brother. If you seek him, fear him, and pray for knowledge and understanding he will give you knowledge. Men cannot offer you anything, just present you the Word. The Holy Spirit does the explaining. Fast or something and pray on it
Trust me,Im just fine,I just wanted to see if he knew what he was talking about,even though I already knew the answer.

savedbygrace57
I consider your questions foolish an unlearned, I look at your posts , I dont think you have biblical sense at all, just being honest with you..
Is this what you do when you have no answers?You have showed me nothing,you don't even know the meaning to the scriptures you post,but that is to be expected from one who is still drinking milk.It's not my style to get into a war of words,and I won't start now.I have no problem discussing the Word but if all you want to do is judge,my time is better used eleswhere.Bottom line,holla when you grow up.

(savedbygrace57;24317)
n2 l saysRight I have no answers for your foolish unlearned questions none , until God gives you newbirth, if He does..
Here is God’s testimony of love, mercy and compassion ... “And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD GOD, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth.” Exodus 34 6. Here is your testimony of love, mercy and compassion: I dont think you are thinking in a coherant manner …God only saves His elect, the rest are blinded and destined to eternal ruin.. [According to scripture God wishes all to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4] you just mouthing off... I believe you are an unbeliever... God only Loves His elect...God only saves His elect, the rest are blinded and destined to eternal ruin.. [God so loved the WORLD] …I am sure you know absolutely nothing of biblical love..you just mouthing off... [Since you know everything, "you're" just mouthing off would be more correct.] I consider your questions foolish an unlearned, I look at your posts , I dont think you have biblical sense at all, just being honest with you.. I believe you are an unbeliever... Ditto you need not ask a bunch of questions until you are born again sir..You have rejected scripture for your own philosophy..I dont have time to keep answering your questions.. I consider your questions foolish an unlearned, I look at your posts , I dont think you have biblical sense at all, just being honest with you.. I dont think you are thinking in a coherant manner sorry. …Ditto you need not ask a bunch of questions until you are born again sir..You have rejected scripture for your own philosophy..I dont have time [for you] to keep answering your questions.. [ A true kind hearted response, ironic] … You have not answered any ,but that's a good cop out. I consider your questions foolish an unlearned, I look at your posts , I dont think you have biblical sense at all, just being honest with you.. I believe ones testimony is false does not mean I hate them..lol [but I love to laugh at them] .. I judge by the gospel standard as does paul [the gospel is “Good News!” not bad hateful “Bad News.” Right I have no answers for your foolish unlearned questions none , until God gives you newbirth, if He does.. I dont think you have biblical sense at all.God is love.