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Mighty Bear

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"Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, 'He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us' ?"(James 4:5) English Standard Version (ESV)"Do ye think that the Scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?"(James 4:5) King James Version (KJV)
 

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"Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, 'He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us' ?"(James 4:5) English Standard Version (ESV)"Do ye think that the Scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?"(James 4:5) King James Version (KJV)
Since it has a small "s", it is speaking of our spirit and not the Holy Spirit.
 

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Those two verses say completely different things to me. The KJV is saying that we have a sinful nature. The ESV is saying (incorrectly, I believe) that God is jealous of the spirit within us. I think He is trying to replace our sinful nature with his perfect spirit. Why would He be jealous of our sinful nature, and therefore sin? The ESV must have some hidden agenda, or some persons erroneous opinion.
 

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Those two verses say completely different things to me. The KJV is saying that we have a sinful nature. The ESV is saying (incorrectly, I believe) that God is jealous of the spirit within us. I think He is trying to replace our sinful nature with his perfect spirit. Why would He be jealous of our sinful nature, and therefore sin? The ESV must have some hidden agenda, or some persons erroneous opinion.
That's because they do have a personal hidden agenda. Straight from Satan.Look at my thread if you really care. Evil spirits in Christianity!!!!!
 

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Those two verses say completely different things to me. The KJV is saying that we have a sinful nature. The ESV is saying (incorrectly, I believe) that God is jealous of the spirit within us. I think He is trying to replace our sinful nature with his perfect spirit. Why would He be jealous of our sinful nature, and therefore sin? The ESV must have some hidden agenda, or some persons erroneous opinion.
I believe that God's creatures seek pleasure (which isn't sinful)but the material world is sinful by nature."Let no one say when he is tempted, 'I am being tempted by God,' for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire." (James 1:13-14)"Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil."(Matthew 4:1)"But Peter said, 'Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?' "(Acts 5:3)"I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world."(John 16:33)
 

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That's because they do have a personal hidden agenda. Straight from Satan.Look at my thread if you really care. Evil spirits in Christianity!!!!!
I have seen your thread, superjag, and I agree with it, and you, almost completely. I didn't respond to your thread in your thread because I didn't think I had anything to add. You pretty much covered it.
 

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That's because they do have a personal hidden agenda. Straight from Satan.Look at my thread if you really care. Evil spirits in Christianity!!!!!
I have seen your thread, superjag, and I agree with it, and you, almost completely. I didn't respond to your thread in your thread because I didn't think I had anything to add. You pretty much covered it.
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I'm still going to track down evil spirits more when I get more time. In fact Christianity today should be called Anti-Christianity, due to the fact that they are not preparing themselves for the Anti-Christ, but instead too busy having sex with him.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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"And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft."(Revelation 9:1-2)
Satan is not here yet Mighty Bear.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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I have seen your thread, superjag, and I agree with it, and you, almost completely. I didn't respond to your thread in your thread because I didn't think I had anything to add. You pretty much covered it.
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That's because they do have a personal hidden agenda. Straight from Satan.Look at my thread if you really care. Evil spirits in Christianity!!!!!
"And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft."(Revelation 9:1-2)
 

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It's the Kenites (sons of Cain - Satan's offspring) that is doing the mass confusions. Satan is still in Heaven Mighty Bear. I don't see him or read any news yet claiming to be God at Jerusalem. (II Thessalonians 2:4) Satan will be here for 5 months though. (150 days) (Revelation 9:5)JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
 

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Go back to the Greek, I'm afraid the ESV mucks this verse completely up. If you're not a Greek scholar, or even vaguely familiar with the language, read the chapter in context. It's speaking about man's desire; our souls are prone to lust as we envy what others have. Our souls almost always want the better things in life - be it a car, money, house, CD, MP3 player, clothes, etc.The focus on this part of the chapter is not on God, but on our lusts.
 

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"And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing." (James 1:4) English Standard Version (ESV)"But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing." (James 1:4) King James Version (KJV)G3007A primary verb; to leave, that is, (intransitive or passive) to fail or be absent: - be destitute (wanting), lack.I agree with the King James Version that we should not be wanting anythingfrom the world."Do not love the world or the things in the world.If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.For all that is in the world — the desires of the fleshand the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions —is not from the Father but is from the world." (1 John 2:15-16)"Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing,but the flesh is weak." (Mark 14:38)But I still prefer ESV over KJV.Church of Love in Jesus Christhttp://christiansite.multiply.com/journal
 

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James 4:5-7 5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace.Surely the context gives the correct interpretation of this verse.Firstly, we need to look for a scripture which says something like the above.I think this is the verse James was referring to.Genesis 4:7 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. Both verses are saying the same thing. Something to the effect that sin lives in us with its lusts. But we have the power/grace to rule over sin. The "him" at the end of Genesis 4:7 should be "it", or sin with its lusts.Another indication from context that the spirit in question is not the Holy Spirit, is found in verse 6 "But he giveth more grace". This is a contrast to what went before, that our spirit lusts to envy, BUT God gives us grace to overcome our lusts and what our spirit naturally wants to do.
 

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As a greek I might have a say on this
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. As ForLife firstly stated "The KJV is saying that we have a sinful nature." The meaning that best renders the one of the ancient greek text is KJV. God bless.