Christianities Greatest Enemy

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aspen

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heretoeternity said:
Aspen your attitude is symptomatic of todays society and "christianity" and shows what is wrong with these two factions...You chose to assume if one follows the Bible, and the seventh day Sabbath they are SDA or other denomination..you are wrong dead wrong..denominations are from satan, divide and conquer mentality...Ellen White and the SDA did not invent the Sabbath..God made it part of Creation, and commanded this day...it's a pity you are too blinded to see that.As a Biblical follower of Jesus, I can find no denominations which follow the word of God, the Holy Bible completely..most denominations are based on the pagan based Roman church which has led the vast majority away from salvation, and put them on the broad way to destruction, as Jesus described.I thank God that He answered my prayers and opened my eyes, heart and mind to His true teachings.Remember salvation is through the Son of God, His days and Commandments, and NOT the sun god/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are pagan based and non Biblical.
Well, since the practice of celebrating the sabbath on Saturday, within Christianity was never widely practiced before the Millerites.....I think it is a logical assumption. As far as my views on denominations - yeah they are misguided, but the issue will certainly not be resolved by radicalizing individualism even more.......it didn't improve Christianity when the Orthodox tried it and Luther.....don't get me started.
 

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I understand the lukewarm to be those who mix works of the law, with grace.

We cannot mix works with grace, Rom 11:6. And we see many scriptures confirming that once under grace we should not turn back to the law.

Sadly we are seeing many today professing to know God, but in their works of the law (instead of faith) they deny Him, Tit 1:16
The lukewarmness here mentioned are those who claim to be rich, yet they are blind. This can apply to many Christians, even the 9th hour movement mentioned in Matthew 20:1-7. This applies to classes who claim to be rich, yet are truly spiritually blind.

There are those who keep the commandments with an outward show, and think they are perfectly fine, yet they are not. This class is indeed dangerous.

Another dangerous class, with an opinion that is getting increasingly popular, are those who claim to be rich, yet despise the commandments of the Lord. Their love is not based upon obedience to God. Their love is based upon doing good works, yet they blatantly transgress God's Holy Law. Such are workers of iniquity, and Christ will tell them to depart from Him. He who ventures to transgress God's law is not standing upon the solid rock.

aspen said:
Well, since the practice of celebrating the sabbath on Saturday, within Christianity was never widely practiced before the Millerites.....I think it is a logical assumption. As far as my views on denominations - yeah they are misguided, but the issue will certainly not be resolved by radicalizing individualism even more.......it didn't improve Christianity when the Orthodox tried it and Luther.....don't get me started.
Those who choose to stand upon the Bible and the Bible only will be accused of being fanatics, and as those promoting dissension and discord. A Christian cannot compromise his beliefs with the surrounding world simply because they surrounding world does not believe them. We are not required to make an effort to stand out. Rather, we are required to stand upon the Word of God. In doing so, we will naturally stand out from those who do not have the Bible as their solid foundation.


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I think that in this Laodicean church age the issues are no longer with our fellow brethren. Christianities greatest enemy is in the day and the time. Which if we are not careful we all have the temptation to get worldly, lukewarm, lazy, and sloppy for Christ. Our own lukewarmness is our worst enemy.
The battle against self is a tremendous battle to fight, yet it must be fought, and won if we are ever to succeed as Christians. There are two extremes. We either became too liberal in allowing all sorts of sin, and allowing all sorts of decadence, or we become too strict, and strain at sections in Scripture and become fanatical in our approach. We are to form our characters to perfection, in harmony with God's Divine Law and His Christ.
 

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I have no doubt about who the greatest enemy is.1Pet. 5: 8 Be alert, be reflective, because your enemy Satan roars like a lion and is walking and seeking whom he may devour. 9 Stand against him, therefore, being firm in your faith, and know also that sufferings come against your brethren who are in the world.....Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.
 
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So Raeneske, your answer is Sola Scriptura?......practiced only a couple hundred years before Adventism?
 

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After reading Truthquests post I started to rethink my opinion on the matter. First, truthquest, thumbs up! I doubt very many of us on here have gone completely without sin of any sort since being born again in Christ. So, I would say temptation is by far our greatest enemy. It comes down to will power. Even with my trusty NIV next to me as I write and NewsBoys on the headphones, I'm not going to reference scripture. Men, walking down the street, "Oh Pretty girl, Wow!!" and we have adultery in the eyes of Christ if you lust at all. Women, like wise! Even if that was a bad example, my point being that unless you have the best self awareness your are going to sin. It happens. It's up to you what you do with it. Temptation...... Jesus was tempted... He overcame. Can we always say the same. Some of you absolutely may. And awesome job for you!!

To curve my point... Temptation has by far got to be our greatest enemy. If I'm wrong, then we are all doomed and this is all for not. Now, out of respect for me, tear this post apart. LOL

Anyone ever heard this? It's at the start of a DC talk song...

"The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle."

Is this what the world sees in us? Would this behavior not make us our own worst enemy?
 

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Raeneske said:
those who claim to be rich, yet despise the commandments of the Lord. ....

Such are workers of iniquity, and Christ will tell them to depart from Him. He who ventures to transgress God's law is not standing upon the solid rock.
Rae, you assume too much with your incorrect allegation that Christians despise the commandments/the law.
Such allegations are common from legalists.

However the Christians who you make such allegations against, actually consider the law to be just, holy and good (Rom 7:12).
What we really are seeing is a debate on grace verses the law, where legalists accuse those in the grace camp of "despising the law" and failing to love. Both very misleading allegations.

As for your claim that Jesus said "depart from me" to those who do not follow your doctrine of works of the law, that allegation is incorrect.

Consider the "depart from me" scriptures.
Note Matt 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And what is God's will?
John 6:40
this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life

Hence we see the workers of iniquity who are told to depart are those who reject God's will that we believe on Jesus.
Who are these workers of iniquity?
They are those who claim deeds of the law is the measure whether one is righteousness or not. Thus they bring themselves under the law and will be found guilty of ALL the law, (James 2:10, Gal 2:18) making themselves workers of iniquity as they rejected the covering of Christ.


Note also Matt 25:41 where Jesus also says "depart from me" to the goats. It likewise refers to the gospel of grace, as opposed to deeds of the law.
The goats are those who did not help the hungry, thirsty, naked, sick, in prison, nor take in strangers.
How did they not help?

Remember scripture is spiritually discerned (1Cor 2:14).
If we read it in physical terms we will misunderstand, just like Nicodemus who thought born again meant one had to go back into his mother's womb.

Who is the hungry and thirsty Jesus referred to in Matt 25?
It's the lost who are spiritually hungry/thirsty, lacking Christ our spiritual food/drink, 1Cor 10:3,4.

Who are the naked?
It's the lost, who are spiritually naked, lacking the robes of righteousness, the garment of salvation, Isa 61:10.

Who are the sick?
It's the lost who are spiritually sick, Isa 1:5,6

Who are those in prison?
It's the lost who are in spiritual prison, Isa 61:1

Who are the strangers?
It's the lost, who are spiritual strangers from the covenants of promise and aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, Eph 2:12,19.

The sheep let their light (Christ) shine (Matt 5:14-16), preaching the gospel to the spiritually hungry, thirsty, naked, sick, in prison and strangers. The sheep preached grace, and not deeds of the law for righteousness.

But, the goats were not preaching the gospel of the kingdom to the lost.


Those who are told to depart from him had failed the grace of God.
Heb 12:15-17
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

How did they fail the grace of God?
Gal 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

God will not even accept a lukewarm mix of works of the law, with grace, Rev 3:15.
Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
As you can see above, scripture does not support your claim that works of the law is part of salvation.
 
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@ haz ... well said, the only law/s or should I say commandments we are to follow are found in 1 John 3:23,

And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.

Anything beyond that no matter how spiritual sounding it may be, is deception, leading to bondage and judgement.
The ceremonial laws, the Ten Commandments etc., are finished, God has written his laws on our hearts.

And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin. Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places
by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, Heb 10:15 - 21
The way forward is to read the words of the New Covenant and renew our minds with that word... our hearts/conscience, need to be sanctified
and be made holy.
This is key.
To the degree that we purify our conscience which guides us daily is the degree we obey the law of God we have written there.
No word, means the old fleshly corrupted conscience dominates and thus our old sinful actions abound.
A heart or conscience which is being renewed or purified by the word is one where "the fear of the Lord"/obedience abounds.
And so we "do" the law of God.
 

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Makes me wonder if Moses dropped the first set of stone tablets accidently-on-purpose because on the set it was written on the first plate,"love God" and the second, "love your neighbor". Based on our love of "lawing" everything up, it isn't as much of a leap as it seems.
 
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Enquirer said:
@ haz ... well said, the only law/s or should I say commandments we are to follow are found in 1 John 3:23,

And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.

Anything beyond that no matter how spiritual sounding it may be, is deception, leading to bondage and judgement.
The ceremonial laws, the Ten Commandments etc., are finished, God has written his laws on our hearts.

And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin. Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places
by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, Heb 10:15 - 21
The way forward is to read the words of the New Covenant and renew our minds with that word... our hearts/conscience, need to be sanctified
and be made holy.
This is key.
To the degree that we purify our conscience which guides us daily is the degree we obey the law of God we have written there.
No word, means the old fleshly corrupted conscience dominates and thus our old sinful actions abound.
A heart or conscience which is being renewed or purified by the word is one where "the fear of the Lord"/obedience abounds.
And so we "do" the law of God.
Hi Enquirer,

Amen, we keep his commandments.
1John 3:23
And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
 

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The lukewarm "christians" of today which is the vast majority, think they have all the answers and know God and Jesus, but do you really? Do you keep His commandments? God's law the ten commandments, which He wrote Himself..but today's "enlightened" deceived christianity does not believe in God's royal law, or at least part of it, they want a cafeteria approach to the Bible, to pick and chose parts that fit the particular denomination they belong to, or what perverted beliefs they are taught to follow....this is the greatest enemy of christianty, as satan is the author of confusion and has really confused the majority of christians..just as Jesus warned about...left no man deceive you...
Result the lukewarms are not able to take a stand on anything relevant in todays world of a spiritual or moral nature. Satan has done a very good job, from his standpoint, on the "christian" reiigion, confusing it so it has become a fragmented, self serving, hypocritical and false religion...time to wake up if you want to be a true Christian, and get back to the basics of the Bible, and get away from all the false man made teachings that are out there, and the majority are obviously following. Remember the words of Jesus in Revelation to one of the seven churches "because you are lukewarm I spew you out of my mouth"...and the words of Jesus in Matthew....You follow the traditions of man and not the commandments of God..then I will say to you depart from me I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness..Matthew 7
 

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Born_Again said:
To curve my point... Temptation has by far got to be our greatest enemy. If I'm wrong, then we are all doomed and this is all for not. Now, out of respect for me, tear this post apart. LOL
Temptation is not our greatest enemy and nor is the devil.

The devil receives all the blame rightly so though... because his wisdom is in the world / he was the first and the author of most / all. As scripture says ''he has been sinning since the beginning'' and is 'the father of lies'. Scripture does not say this of the other fallen angels.

God put us in a world with temptation. God gave us a brain that can imagine anything and in amazing detail. Does it make sense that God is responsible for our greatest enemy?

Our greatest enemy is our will. When we will to do what is evil > good. It speaks of a heart that hates God > loving Him. After a while that hatred is full measure and we doom ourselves to hell.
We can be tempted and have the devil on our lap, but we can choose to hate this or love it.

heretoeternity said:
The lukewarm "christians" of today which is the vast majority, think they have all the answers and know God and Jesus, but do you really? Do you keep His commandments? God's law the ten commandments, which He wrote Himself..but today's "enlightened" deceived christianity does not believe in God's royal law, or at least part of it, they want a cafeteria approach to the Bible, to pick and chose parts that fit the particular denomination they belong to, or what perverted beliefs they are taught to follow....this is the greatest enemy of christianty, as satan is the author of confusion and has really confused the majority of christians..just as Jesus warned about...left no man deceive you...
Result the lukewarms are not able to take a stand on anything relevant in todays world of a spiritual or moral nature. Satan has done a very good job, from his standpoint, on the "christian" reiigion, confusing it so it has become a fragmented, self serving, hypocritical and false religion...time to wake up if you want to be a true Christian, and get back to the basics of the Bible, and get away from all the false man made teachings that are out there, and the majority are obviously following. Remember the words of Jesus in Revelation to one of the seven churches "because you are lukewarm I spew you out of my mouth"...and the words of Jesus in Matthew....You follow the traditions of man and not the commandments of God..then I will say to you depart from me I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness..Matthew 7
Amen! God does not waste His breath. Everything written is valid. But just as we can rebuke those at this extreme, likewiese many are at the other extreme and forget their is a NT.
Amen on self serving. That is what most Christians today are. I want to be healed. I want prosperity. I want I want. God fits in with my lifestyle. God loves me as I am because He is love. :D :D
 

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Our greatest enemy is Satan who wanders to and fro like a ravenous lion seeking whom he may devour. The second biggest threat to the BOC is our own self-righteousness and the mindset that is based on 7 words; "We've never done it that way before"
 

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heretoeternity said:
The greatest enemy to christians is the false doctrines floating around for seventeen hundred years..like the
fourth commandment does not have to be followed..what? suddenly one of God's commandments does not have to be
kept? The Bible does not teach that, but the false religion teaches that..so watch out for that false religion, it is leading at least 1.5 billion "christians" astray...Rev 17, Matthew 24
HTE,

You keep flogging a dead horse.

Please show me one Scripture that says that anyone in the New Testament has ever been given the 4th commandment to keep. Feel free to use a verse from the OT or the NT. If you give me a whole list, instead of one, because you love confusion, I may only address the first verse you give me and ignore the rest. Just one please. Surely you must have at least one at your disposal since you continue to promote heresy and condemn the Body of Christ.

Zeke25

heretoeternity said:
The lukewarm "christians" of today which is the vast majority, think they have all the answers and know God and Jesus, but do you really? Do you keep His commandments? God's law the ten commandments, which He wrote Himself..but today's "enlightened" deceived christianity does not believe in God's royal law, or at least part of it, they want a cafeteria approach to the Bible, to pick and chose parts that fit the particular denomination they belong to, or what perverted beliefs they are taught to follow....this is the greatest enemy of christianty, as satan is the author of confusion and has really confused the majority of christians..just as Jesus warned about...left no man deceive you...
Result the lukewarms are not able to take a stand on anything relevant in todays world of a spiritual or moral nature. Satan has done a very good job, from his standpoint, on the "christian" reiigion, confusing it so it has become a fragmented, self serving, hypocritical and false religion...time to wake up if you want to be a true Christian, and get back to the basics of the Bible, and get away from all the false man made teachings that are out there, and the majority are obviously following. Remember the words of Jesus in Revelation to one of the seven churches "because you are lukewarm I spew you out of my mouth"...and the words of Jesus in Matthew....You follow the traditions of man and not the commandments of God..then I will say to you depart from me I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness..Matthew 7
 
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Our greatest enemy is precisley that which led to the downfall of the human race in the beginning, and continues unabated today. It is unbelief in God's word. Satan, in Eve's own words, 'beguiled' Eve, (deceved her), and led her to disbelieve the very words of her Creator. She was deceived into sin.
Today, sin, that is again, according to the very word of God, transgression against the law. Just as Eve thought she could be like God or become one herself while being disobedient to the commands of God, so the vast majority of the church today believe they can be like Christ; take on the image of Christ; or partake of the character of their Creator, while being disobedient to the commands of God!
Jesus knew precisley what He was talking about when He repeated many times when speaking of the last days...be not deceived...take care that no man deceive you...many false prophets shall arise and shall deceive many...
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil, and satan, which deceiveth the whole world...Revel.12:9

Like I said, our greatest enemy is unbelief. If we simply believed God's word without argument, without any ifs, buts, and whyfors, satan and his lies and innuendos and slanders wouldn't be a problem.
 

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If you are not choosing to receive the justification in Christ and the sanctification of the Holy Spirit which provides us the focus and teaching necessary to practice loving God and neighbor as we were created to do, we are continuing to be sanctified for Hell.
 

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Zeke, surely you jest....you of all people should know the fourth Commandment is part of the Ten Commandments of God...Jesus kept the fourth commandment, His disciples/apostles kept the fourth commandment throughout their ministries and their lives...is that not good enough for you?? Obviously not...read Acts 12 to 19 inclusive, and it will give you a clue...Jesus said he is lord of the Sabbath day....still not good enough I guess..Oh well..guess the old saying applies to you..you can lead a donkey to water, but can't make him drink....lol....
 

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I'm afraid Chrisitianities greatest enemy...as of today.......is itself.......and of course all the others you mentioned.
For what my opinion is worth*, I think you are correct.

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