Webster's New World Dictionary, 1996, p. 98, "chat n. light, informal talk"There is no Scripture which shows Jesus ever speaking light, informal talk.Predictably, many believers will say, "Well, Scripture says there are many things Jesus did and said which are not recorded for us, and since Jesus was human, He must have at times had sociable conversation with people."But to say such a thing requires a person to be adding his personal imagination and desires into the character and identity of Jesus. Such people want to have Jesus be a certain way, and appear to be like themselves. But, just because Jesus empathized with people does not mean He acted and talked like they did. I doubt God is pleased when people try to make Jesus into their own image.Shelli.
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Webster's New World Dictionary, 1996, p. 98, "chat n. light, informal talk"There is no Scripture which shows Jesus ever speaking light, informal talk.Predictably, many believers will say, "Well, Scripture says there are many things Jesus did and said which are not recorded for us, and since Jesus was human, He must have at times had sociable conversation with people."But to say such a thing requires a person to be adding his personal imagination and desires into the character and identity of Jesus. Such people want to have Jesus be a certain way, and appear to be like themselves. But, just because Jesus empathized with people does not mean He acted and talked like they did. I doubt God is pleased when people try to make Jesus into their own image.Shelli.
In John 11 we read about Jesus' close relationship with his friends, Martha, Mary and Lazarus. I think it's not a stretch to believe that He had a very close personal relationship with them that no doubt involved conversations about all sorts of things. Besides, Jesus lived for 30 years prior to his public ministry - do you honestly believe he never had a regular, light conversation? That would hardly seem human and I disagree that believing he led a regular life (without sin of course) is somehow making him into our own image or displeasing to God. I think the Bible says that all of his words could not be contained for that very reason.
Webster's New World Dictionary, 1996, p. 98, "chat n. light, informal talk"There is no Scripture which shows Jesus ever speaking light, informal talk.Predictably, many believers will say, "Well, Scripture says there are many things Jesus did and said which are not recorded for us, and since Jesus was human, He must have at times had sociable conversation with people."But to say such a thing requires a person to be adding his personal imagination and desires into the character and identity of Jesus. Such people want to have Jesus be a certain way, and appear to be like themselves. But, just because Jesus empathized with people does not mean He acted and talked like they did. I doubt God is pleased when people try to make Jesus into their own image.Shelli.
In John 11 we read about Jesus' close relationship with his friends, Martha, Mary and Lazarus. I think it's not a stretch to believe that He had a very close personal relationship with them that no doubt involved conversations about all sorts of things. Besides, Jesus lived for 30 years prior to his public ministry - do you honestly believe he never had a regular, light conversation? That would hardly seem human and I disagree that believing he led a regular life (without sin of course) is somehow making him into our own image or displeasing to God. I think the Bible says that all of his words could not be contained for that very reason.
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(Shelli;23100)
Webster's New World Dictionary, 1996, p. 98, "chat n. light, informal talk"There is no Scripture which shows Jesus ever speaking light, informal talk.Predictably, many believers will say, "Well, Scripture says there are many things Jesus did and said which are not recorded for us, and since Jesus was human, He must have at times had sociable conversation with people."But to say such a thing requires a person to be adding his personal imagination and desires into the character and identity of Jesus. Such people want to have Jesus be a certain way, and appear to be like themselves. But, just because Jesus empathized with people does not mean He acted and talked like they did. I doubt God is pleased when people try to make Jesus into their own image.Shelli.
"Then he said to them, 'My soul is very sorrowful, even to death; remain here, and watch with me.' And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.' " (Matthew 26:38-39)"When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, 'Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.' "(Revelation 1:17-18)"He who sits in the heavens laughs;the Lord holds them in derision."(Psalms 2:4)
Webster's New World Dictionary, 1996, p. 98, "chat n. light, informal talk"There is no Scripture which shows Jesus ever speaking light, informal talk.Predictably, many believers will say, "Well, Scripture says there are many things Jesus did and said which are not recorded for us, and since Jesus was human, He must have at times had sociable conversation with people."But to say such a thing requires a person to be adding his personal imagination and desires into the character and identity of Jesus. Such people want to have Jesus be a certain way, and appear to be like themselves. But, just because Jesus empathized with people does not mean He acted and talked like they did. I doubt God is pleased when people try to make Jesus into their own image.Shelli.
"Then he said to them, 'My soul is very sorrowful, even to death; remain here, and watch with me.' And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.' " (Matthew 26:38-39)"When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, 'Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.' "(Revelation 1:17-18)"He who sits in the heavens laughs;the Lord holds them in derision."(Psalms 2:4)
(Shelli;23100)
Webster's New World Dictionary, 1996, p. 98, "chat n. light, informal talk"There is no Scripture which shows Jesus ever speaking light, informal talk.Predictably, many believers will say, "Well, Scripture says there are many things Jesus did and said which are not recorded for us, and since Jesus was human, He must have at times had sociable conversation with people."But to say such a thing requires a person to be adding his personal imagination and desires into the character and identity of Jesus. Such people want to have Jesus be a certain way, and appear to be like themselves. But, just because Jesus empathized with people does not mean He acted and talked like they did. I doubt God is pleased when people try to make Jesus into their own image.Shelli.
I would agree with your point here Shelli Jesus may have had these chats but they are not part of scripture and for people to use this as reasoning for their own misguided beliefsis not much different than basing your religion on what a TV show might say about Jesus. An excuse for false doctrine
Webster's New World Dictionary, 1996, p. 98, "chat n. light, informal talk"There is no Scripture which shows Jesus ever speaking light, informal talk.Predictably, many believers will say, "Well, Scripture says there are many things Jesus did and said which are not recorded for us, and since Jesus was human, He must have at times had sociable conversation with people."But to say such a thing requires a person to be adding his personal imagination and desires into the character and identity of Jesus. Such people want to have Jesus be a certain way, and appear to be like themselves. But, just because Jesus empathized with people does not mean He acted and talked like they did. I doubt God is pleased when people try to make Jesus into their own image.Shelli.
I would agree with your point here Shelli Jesus may have had these chats but they are not part of scripture and for people to use this as reasoning for their own misguided beliefsis not much different than basing your religion on what a TV show might say about Jesus. An excuse for false doctrine
(kriss;23125)
I would agree with your point here Shelli Jesus may have had these chats but they are not part of scripture and for people to use this as reasoning for their own misguided beliefsis not much different than basing your religion on what a TV show might say about Jesus. An excuse for false doctrine
What false doctrines have been perpetuated by the "misguided belief" that Jesus, while on Earth, engaged in normal casual conversations from time to time?
I would agree with your point here Shelli Jesus may have had these chats but they are not part of scripture and for people to use this as reasoning for their own misguided beliefsis not much different than basing your religion on what a TV show might say about Jesus. An excuse for false doctrine
What false doctrines have been perpetuated by the "misguided belief" that Jesus, while on Earth, engaged in normal casual conversations from time to time?
Its just an excuse people use when they tell you something and you say thats not in the Bible they will say I read somewhere or someone told me that Jesus said it, and everything he said isnt in the Bible. Well there are writtings that say some of these things but who knows whats a forgery and whats not. The facts are we are not to base our belief on anything but scripture.
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Its just an excuse people use when they tell you something and you say thats not in the Bible they will say I read somewhere or someone told me that Jesus said it, and everything he said isnt in the Bible. Well there are writtings that say some of these things but who knows whats a forgery and whats not. The facts are we are not to base our belief on anything but scripture.
True, but there are cetain things that we can naturally conclude based on facts. For example, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that Jesus went to the bathroom - but he was human, so we can conclude He did. It's not displeasing to God to assume Jesus had normal human characteristics - it's logical. Therefore, I totally disagree with the OP which says that Jesus did not engage in "light, informal talk." EVERYONE engages in light, informal talk at some time. He was a child - he had a family - he had friends - I think it is totally ridiculous to believe that just because it isn't recorded in scripture, it didn't happen - and that assuming He did is somehow sinful. There is enough real sin in the world - we don't need to be reasoning so foolishly and making more up.
Its just an excuse people use when they tell you something and you say thats not in the Bible they will say I read somewhere or someone told me that Jesus said it, and everything he said isnt in the Bible. Well there are writtings that say some of these things but who knows whats a forgery and whats not. The facts are we are not to base our belief on anything but scripture.
True, but there are cetain things that we can naturally conclude based on facts. For example, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that Jesus went to the bathroom - but he was human, so we can conclude He did. It's not displeasing to God to assume Jesus had normal human characteristics - it's logical. Therefore, I totally disagree with the OP which says that Jesus did not engage in "light, informal talk." EVERYONE engages in light, informal talk at some time. He was a child - he had a family - he had friends - I think it is totally ridiculous to believe that just because it isn't recorded in scripture, it didn't happen - and that assuming He did is somehow sinful. There is enough real sin in the world - we don't need to be reasoning so foolishly and making more up.
It's not displeasing to God to assume Jesus had normal human characteristics - it's logical.
How do you know that it's not displeasing to Him? I don't remember a scripture that says Jesus is just a normal human. In fact all the scripture I have read would point in the exact opposite direction. Unless you converse directly with God, in which case I probably owe you an apology...
How do you know that it's not displeasing to Him? I don't remember a scripture that says Jesus is just a normal human. In fact all the scripture I have read would point in the exact opposite direction. Unless you converse directly with God, in which case I probably owe you an apology...
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How do you know that it's not displeasing to Him? I don't remember a scripture that says Jesus is just a normal human. In fact all the scripture I have read would point in the exact opposite direction. Unless you converse directly with God, in which case I probably owe you an apology...
Jesus was fully God / fully human. He was human in every single way except that he was sinless. There was a heresy in the 2nd century that he was not fully man:Sabellianism: Sabellianism is named for its founder Sabellius (fl. 2nd century). It is sometimes referred to as modalistic monarchianism. The father, son, and holy ghost are three modes, roles, or faces of a single person, God. This, of course, implies that Jesus Christ was purely divine, without humanness, and therefore could not truly have suffered or died.To insinuate that Jesus was not fully human - with normal human characteristics is heresy. And while He hasn't told me directly, I'm fairly certain that all heresy is displeasing to God.
How do you know that it's not displeasing to Him? I don't remember a scripture that says Jesus is just a normal human. In fact all the scripture I have read would point in the exact opposite direction. Unless you converse directly with God, in which case I probably owe you an apology...
Jesus was fully God / fully human. He was human in every single way except that he was sinless. There was a heresy in the 2nd century that he was not fully man:Sabellianism: Sabellianism is named for its founder Sabellius (fl. 2nd century). It is sometimes referred to as modalistic monarchianism. The father, son, and holy ghost are three modes, roles, or faces of a single person, God. This, of course, implies that Jesus Christ was purely divine, without humanness, and therefore could not truly have suffered or died.To insinuate that Jesus was not fully human - with normal human characteristics is heresy. And while He hasn't told me directly, I'm fairly certain that all heresy is displeasing to God.
I agree with the original poster. I'd also take it a step further and say that the Bible records what was important. Every single last word is in the Bible for a reason.At the same time, though, don't let something like this become too much of an issue. The importance of the matter is that Jesus was indeed a human as opposed to the concept that Jesus "chatted" in the flesh. I think speculating on what he did or did not say outside of the Bible is a bit of a waste of time. You're gonna meet him one way or another some day, then there won't be any question.
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But to say such a thing requires a person to be adding his personal imagination and desires into the character and identity of Jesus. Such people want to have Jesus be a certain way, and appear to be like themselves. But, just because Jesus empathized with people does not mean He acted and talked like they did.
I agree with (((Shelli ))))too. I would also like to share theses scriptures . Luke 2:40- 49 (King James Version) 40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?~~~~ God :blessyou::grouphug:
I agree with (((Shelli ))))too. I would also like to share theses scriptures . Luke 2:40- 49 (King James Version) 40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?~~~~ God :blessyou::grouphug:
Hi allChrist's first miracle was at the wedding feast in Cana where He changed water to wine.There is no indication that he was there to preach. In all likelihood he was there to enjoy the wedding with his disciples. He rather reluctantly got drawn into doing something "religious" viz. doing a miracle.
(Peacebewithyou;23103)
In John 11 we read about Jesus' close relationship with his friends, Martha, Mary and Lazarus. I think it's not a stretch to believe that He had a very close personal relationship with them that no doubt involved conversations about all sorts of things. Besides, Jesus lived for 30 years prior to his public ministry - do you honestly believe he never had a regular, light conversation? That would hardly seem human and I disagree that believing he led a regular life (without sin of course) is somehow making him into our own image or displeasing to God. I think the Bible says that all of his words could not be contained for that very reason.
Apparently, then, you do agree with the idea that Jesus is never recorded in Scripture to have chatted.And, it takes human imagination to form what it would "seem" He did and spoke about. Is there any Scripture that shows Jesus was a "regular" guy?Shelli.
In John 11 we read about Jesus' close relationship with his friends, Martha, Mary and Lazarus. I think it's not a stretch to believe that He had a very close personal relationship with them that no doubt involved conversations about all sorts of things. Besides, Jesus lived for 30 years prior to his public ministry - do you honestly believe he never had a regular, light conversation? That would hardly seem human and I disagree that believing he led a regular life (without sin of course) is somehow making him into our own image or displeasing to God. I think the Bible says that all of his words could not be contained for that very reason.
Apparently, then, you do agree with the idea that Jesus is never recorded in Scripture to have chatted.And, it takes human imagination to form what it would "seem" He did and spoke about. Is there any Scripture that shows Jesus was a "regular" guy?Shelli.
(Peacebewithyou;23145)
What false doctrines have been perpetuated by the "misguided belief" that Jesus, while on Earth, engaged in normal casual conversations from time to time?
Just listen to your average Evangelical preacher in church, next Sunday, and you will hear some "misguided beliefs" based upon their imaginary ideas of who Jesus was and what He supposedly did.Shelli.
What false doctrines have been perpetuated by the "misguided belief" that Jesus, while on Earth, engaged in normal casual conversations from time to time?
Just listen to your average Evangelical preacher in church, next Sunday, and you will hear some "misguided beliefs" based upon their imaginary ideas of who Jesus was and what He supposedly did.Shelli.
(Peacebewithyou;23155)
True, but there are cetain things that we can naturally conclude based on facts. For example, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that Jesus went to the bathroom - but he was human, so we can conclude He did. It's not displeasing to God to assume Jesus had normal human characteristics - it's logical. Therefore, I totally disagree with the OP which says that Jesus did not engage in "light, informal talk." EVERYONE engages in light, informal talk at some time. He was a child - he had a family - he had friends - I think it is totally ridiculous to believe that just because it isn't recorded in scripture, it didn't happen - and that assuming He did is somehow sinful. There is enough real sin in the world - we don't need to be reasoning so foolishly and making more up.
I think it is totally ridiculous to try to compare Jesus with ourselves and the way we talk and act, especially with the way women talk and act.We know that "going to the bathroom" cannot be compared to "chatting" because of Hebrews 4:12a:"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow."This says God's Word discerns between the temporal ("soul") and the eternal ("spirit"), and between the optionally chosen actions in life ("joints") and the essential nonvolitional parts of our being ("marrow"). Jesus, being this Word of God, was not automatically like you and I are, in our chatty superficialities. Rather, He consciously was thoroughly penetrating in all of His speech and actions, just like the "twoedged sword" analogy of Him in Hebrews 4:12. He did not chat with light and informal talk, no matter how much people want to think He did. There is no Scripture which shows Him "chatting!!" The Bible never promotes "natural conclusions."There is enough pointless talk and foolishness in the World without the promotion of more "chatting!!" Shelli.
True, but there are cetain things that we can naturally conclude based on facts. For example, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that Jesus went to the bathroom - but he was human, so we can conclude He did. It's not displeasing to God to assume Jesus had normal human characteristics - it's logical. Therefore, I totally disagree with the OP which says that Jesus did not engage in "light, informal talk." EVERYONE engages in light, informal talk at some time. He was a child - he had a family - he had friends - I think it is totally ridiculous to believe that just because it isn't recorded in scripture, it didn't happen - and that assuming He did is somehow sinful. There is enough real sin in the world - we don't need to be reasoning so foolishly and making more up.
I think it is totally ridiculous to try to compare Jesus with ourselves and the way we talk and act, especially with the way women talk and act.We know that "going to the bathroom" cannot be compared to "chatting" because of Hebrews 4:12a:"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow."This says God's Word discerns between the temporal ("soul") and the eternal ("spirit"), and between the optionally chosen actions in life ("joints") and the essential nonvolitional parts of our being ("marrow"). Jesus, being this Word of God, was not automatically like you and I are, in our chatty superficialities. Rather, He consciously was thoroughly penetrating in all of His speech and actions, just like the "twoedged sword" analogy of Him in Hebrews 4:12. He did not chat with light and informal talk, no matter how much people want to think He did. There is no Scripture which shows Him "chatting!!" The Bible never promotes "natural conclusions."There is enough pointless talk and foolishness in the World without the promotion of more "chatting!!" Shelli.
(Peacebewithyou;23186)
Jesus was fully God / fully human. He was human in every single way except that he was sinless. There was a heresy in the 2nd century that he was not fully man:Sabellianism: Sabellianism is named for its founder Sabellius (fl. 2nd century). It is sometimes referred to as modalistic monarchianism. The father, son, and holy ghost are three modes, roles, or faces of a single person, God. This, of course, implies that Jesus Christ was purely divine, without humanness, and therefore could not truly have suffered or died.To insinuate that Jesus was not fully human - with normal human characteristics is heresy. And while He hasn't told me directly, I'm fairly certain that all heresy is displeasing to God.
What makes you think "chatting!!" is a part of being fully human after being saved?Shelli.
Jesus was fully God / fully human. He was human in every single way except that he was sinless. There was a heresy in the 2nd century that he was not fully man:Sabellianism: Sabellianism is named for its founder Sabellius (fl. 2nd century). It is sometimes referred to as modalistic monarchianism. The father, son, and holy ghost are three modes, roles, or faces of a single person, God. This, of course, implies that Jesus Christ was purely divine, without humanness, and therefore could not truly have suffered or died.To insinuate that Jesus was not fully human - with normal human characteristics is heresy. And while He hasn't told me directly, I'm fairly certain that all heresy is displeasing to God.
What makes you think "chatting!!" is a part of being fully human after being saved?Shelli.
(Carissa001;23194)
Yes I think he must have chatted and I think I understand the points made here.
People who want to think Jesus "chatted!!" are trying to make Jesus into their own image.Shelli.
Yes I think he must have chatted and I think I understand the points made here.
People who want to think Jesus "chatted!!" are trying to make Jesus into their own image.Shelli.
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Hi allChrist's first miracle was at the wedding feast in Cana where He changed water to wine.There is no indication that he was there to preach. In all likelihood he was there to enjoy the wedding with his disciples. He rather reluctantly got drawn into doing something "religious" viz. doing a miracle.
What part of the Cana account says Jesus was there to "enjoy" anything?Shelli.
Hi allChrist's first miracle was at the wedding feast in Cana where He changed water to wine.There is no indication that he was there to preach. In all likelihood he was there to enjoy the wedding with his disciples. He rather reluctantly got drawn into doing something "religious" viz. doing a miracle.
What part of the Cana account says Jesus was there to "enjoy" anything?Shelli.
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