Has the Resurrection already begun?

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Arnie Manitoba

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shturt678 said:
Was thinking about Matt.27:53, Corinthians', and Revelation's passages.

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I think they were "raised to life" Matthew 27:52 along the lines of other people who were raised from the dead by Jesus & the Apostles

I think they all eventually died again and await the Resurrection like the rest of us

If you read Matthew 27:54 it sounds like the whole purpose was to convince people Jesus was indeed the Son of God

That is our "best guess" anyway , We are not given much detail ..... if it was an actual resurrection to an eternal new body , then all those people would still have to be here on earth , and as far as I know they are not.
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
I think they were "raised to life" Matthew 27:52 along the lines of other people who were raised from the dead by Jesus & the Apostles

I think they all eventually died again and await the Resurrection like the rest of us

If you read Matthew 27:54 it sounds like the whole purpose was to convince people Jesus was indeed the Son of God

That is our "best guess" anyway , We are not given much detail ..... if it was an actual resurrection to an eternal new body , then all those people would still have to be here on earth , and as far as I know they are not.
Thank you for your response!

I think they were raised to forever life also, however the significance of this miracle was a sign that Jesus' death conquered death - wow!

Raising the bar if Jesus is the Firstborn of the dead, and these Saints rose before Him - how was He the Firstborn?

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So the Resurrection is not just a future event? I'm also sure that after the appearance of the raised O.T. Saints, He had no problem transferring them to heaven - no sarcasm my brother.
 

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Thank you for your response!

I think they were raised to forever life also, however the significance of this miracle was a sign that Jesus' death conquered death - wow!

Raising the bar if Jesus is the Firstborn of the dead, and these Saints rose before Him - how was He the Firstborn?

Old Jack

So the Resurrection is not just a future event? I'm also sure that after the appearance of the raised O.T. Saints, He had no problem transferring them to heaven - no sarcasm my brother.
Actually the Old Testament saints that came alive out of the tombs could not have been resurrected , because Jesus himself was not yet resurrected , that happened 3 days later , and the bible is clear that Jesus was the first to be resurrected.
 

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Actually the Old Testament saints that came alive out of the tombs could not have been resurrected , because Jesus himself was not yet resurrected , that happened 3 days later , and the bible is clear that Jesus was the first to be resurrected.
Thank you for your response again!

Excellent deduction! Just wanted to mention one thing. Col.1:18, "the Firstborn from the dead" Jesus remains the former because He alone conquered death, and even these Saints arose only through the blessed power of Jesus. RUFF area.

Already the death of Jesus brought resurrection to these Saints contextually, hence the account of this occurrence is properly connected with the death of Jesus, and not with His resurrection.

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Ruff area? Lets throw in that he is the Resurrection. He is also the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. I don't rely to heavily on the chronology of these events.
 

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I think that one of the underlying tenants of the resurrection (by Jesus) was he first had to become human , then die and be resurrected , and because he did so , it opens the way for all humans to be resurrected to new eternal bodies ... at least that is how I understand it .... before that it was not possible for humans to be resurrected .... it is part of the salvation plan and that is why we insist Jesus was BODILY resurrected (not just some imaginary ghost like body).

The unsaved are resurrected also , but they face the "second death" ... we Christians are assured ... "the second death has no fear for us"
 

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As I understand, It is through the same resurrection that we will receive the new body. So, I agree that the only human to be resurrected so far is Jesus. The raising of the dead to their previous bodies stems from Christ's authority over death,
 

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The bodies we have now shall never be used again...We have two bodies now one flesh and one spirit.When the flesh dies the spirit steps out and returns to the Father,while the flesh returns to the dust from whence it came....

The only thing then is what condition will your soul be in,mortal or immortal....
 

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Thank you folks for caring!

I've always been impressed with the great signs piled upon one after another, Matt.27:51-53. Jesus is dead and not resurrected yet, His lips are silent; now God speaks in a language of His own. Only my opinion and could be in error. In v.52, the 3rd sign is most incredible obviously. Not, indeed, the fact that the tombs were opened, but the fact that these Saints arose and appeared to persons in Jerusalem, ie, a separate miracle of God. Matthew leaves the impression that these tombs of the Saints were opened the moment Jesus died. The immediate effect of the death was this opening of the tombs, and the resurrection of the Saints. This, then, is the significance of the miracle: It's a sign that Jesus' death conqured death, these risen Saints prove His great victory before His Resurection leading to my humble point where, again, just my opinion and could be in error:

"They were raised," egerthe, means exactly what it says. Their souls returned from heaven and were again united with their bodies, but not in order that they might again live on this earth. They arose with glorified bodies such as we shall have at the lat day. They arose at once, and their now glorified bodies left the tomb.

In v.53 these risen Saints didn't at once enter heaven with their glorified bodies; they had a duty to perform here on earth before their translation to the heavenly home.

My end point: Most will have to agree to disagree with me on this one, however gives me hope in case it's in the ballpark. The great importance fo this resurrection of the Saints for me is that fact that the resurrection is not just not a future event; it has already begun in the case of these Saints. Not only is the Godman Jesus risen from the death, an advance number of the Saints has risen with Him. This is an assurance that I shall also rise. No doubt after their appearance, they were translated into heaven.

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As I understand, It is through the same resurrection that we will receive the new body. So, I agree that the only human to be resurrected so far is Jesus. The raising of the dead to their previous bodies stems from Christ's authority over death,
Agreed!!

1Th 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Those who rose in Matt.27:53 were the Old Testament saints as Christ was raised so they had been also, there was an earth quake after Christ gave up his Spirit which would have in all likelihood broken open the tombs a symbolic gesture from God that victory over the grave had been achieved in that very moment through his Son.
 

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Agreed!!

1Th 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Those who rose in Matt.27:53 were the Old Testament saints as Christ was raised so they had been also, there was an earth quake after Christ gave up his Spirit which would have in all likelihood broken open the tombs a symbolic gesture from God that victory over the grave had been achieved in that very moment through his Son.
Thank you for caring again!

Cannot help but agape those victories of the Godman Jesus!

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I believe there were three that were resurrected both body and soul into heaven.

Jesus, Enoch, and Elijah.

Jesus is the firstborn from the dead in that He is the first to rise from death, not back there in A.D. 33, but as the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world.

Ge 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

2Ki 2:11
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

To God Be The Glory
 

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Jun2u said:

I believe there were three that were resurrected both body and soul into heaven.

Jesus, Enoch, and Elijah.

Jesus is the firstborn from the dead in that He is the first to rise from death, not back there in A.D. 33, but as the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world.

Ge 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

2Ki 2:11
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

To God Be The Glory
Thank you for caring!

But the latter two didn't die in order to be resurrected, correct?

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Old Jack

You're correct of course. I responded only in the sense they were resurrected.

In John Chapter Six however, four times did the Lord Jesus said, "I will raise him up on the last day".

To God Be The Glory
 

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Jun2u said:
I believe there were three that were resurrected both body and soul into heaven.

Jesus, Enoch, and Elijah.

Jesus is the firstborn from the dead in that He is the first to rise from death, not back there in A.D. 33, but as the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world.

Ge 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

2Ki 2:11
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

To God Be The Glory
Agreed

It could be a bit of a stretch , but I sometimes consider the possibility that Enoch and Elijah could be the 2 witnesses in revelation .... and they end up being killed .... and then resurrected. ("real" resurrection)

That way it would perfectly fit with Jesus being the first.

Just a thought , I have never given it a lot of study , but there are definite hints that ... "Elijah will come again" ... (the real Elijah) ... (John the baptist was "a type" of Elijah)

It would be an interesting topic to research
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
Agreed

It could be a bit of a stretch , but I sometimes consider the possibility that Enoch and Elijah could be the 2 witnesses in revelation .... and they end up being killed .... and then resurrected. ("real" resurrection)

That way it would perfectly fit with Jesus being the first.

Just a thought , I have never given it a lot of study , but there are definite hints that ... "Elijah will come again" ... (the real Elijah) ... (John the baptist was "a type" of Elijah)

It would be an interesting topic to research
Thank you folks for caring for sure!

Brother Arnie, careful with this one: Rev.11:3, "two witnesses" I've heard of Christians even having fist fights over who these two are (we'll need a security guard on this one to keep the peace) - I've got a cane I could defend myself with :mellow: BTW I believe one is the "little book" in Rev.10:2.

Jun2u The ol' restoration of the body at the last day (John chapter 6) in the resurrection of the blessed, which construed with other passages includes the not so blessed in the sense of Jn.5:28, 29 - all in their graves Jun2u as a "1" time event?

Sense brother Arnie brought up Rev., also was wondering if those souls in Rev.20:4 that John saw had bodies?

Old Jack