Now we have 3 different views on the condemnation verses!

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

John Zain

Newbie trainee
Sep 16, 2010
750
32
0
San Diego, CA
.
[SIZE=10pt]The perfect number 7 of examples of condemning verses are shown below. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Passive view[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] … These warnings are to the unsaved only.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Active view[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] … These warnings are to absolutely everyone about habitual unrepented-of sinning.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Radical view[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] … These warnings are to everyone about even one unrepented-of deliberate sin.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]1 Cor 6:9-10[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]nor sodomites,[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]will inherit the kingdom of God.[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Gal 5:19-21[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] “Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]uncleanness, lewdness,[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]you[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]in time past, that those who practice [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Eph 5:3-6[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] “But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]For this you know,[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]that no fornicator, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]the kingdom of Christ and God.[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]Let no one deceive you with empty words, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Col 3:5-6[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] “Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Heb 10:26-31[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] “For if we keep on sinning willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]… For we know Him who said,[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]“Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”,[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]says the Lord.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]… It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]2 Pet 2:20[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]the latter end is worse for them than the beginning (which was eternal death and torment).[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Rev 21:7-8[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
1 John 3:15 “… you know that NO murderer has eternal life abiding in him”
[/SIZE]


[SIZE=10pt]The Active view may easily be confirmed above in Galatians 5, Hebrews 10, and 2 Peter 2.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]The Radical view is expressed by a poster from another forum:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]• Of course those verses show you can lose your salvation. To me, this isn't even a tough question, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]but there are people that have been taught that once you are saved, there is nothing you can do that [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]will cause you to lose your salvation, and they will hold to that doctrine regardless of the evidence [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]… I do believe based on the overwhelming evidence of the scriptures in the OP, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]one can clearly lose their salvation. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]• As to the question of can you lose salvation because of your sins, the answer is yes. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]There is a mountain of evidence that shows that is the case … We should not think we can commit[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]willful sins against God after we get saved and remain eternally secure. All of our willful sins, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]past, present and future are not automatically under the blood atonement. Only the past sins are,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]and if you commit sins after salvation, you have to confess them to God to be forgiven. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]One sin can cost you salvation. Of course, the key is that they are willful sins, not the things [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]you do wrong without thinking that violate God's standard of holiness. Those things are under [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]the blood atonement, and if they are later revealed to you, that is when you need to confess them. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]• The only sins that are under the blood covering are past sins. If we commit willful sins after [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]getting saved, we are defiled and the only way to get right with God again is to confess those [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]sins to God. One willful or presumptuous sin after salvation can cause you to wind up in hell. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Again, the key is that the sin was pre-meditated. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Note: A Christian internet website host received this word repeatedly from the Lord: “Defilement”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Yes, a BAC can become defiled.[/SIZE]
 

This Vale Of Tears

Indian Papist
Jun 13, 2013
1,346
61
0
Idaho
I'm not sure how you're characterizing the belief that salvation can be forfeited as "radical". OSAS is in the minority, not us. But perhaps I'm missing your point because you posted several like themed scriptures and then gave a response you got from a different site. I don't think the OP is developed sufficiently.
 

John Zain

Newbie trainee
Sep 16, 2010
750
32
0
San Diego, CA
This Vale Of Tears said:
I'm not sure how you're characterizing the belief that salvation can be forfeited as "radical".
OSAS is in the minority, not us. But perhaps I'm missing your point because you posted
several like themed scriptures and then gave a response you got from a different site.
I don't think the OP is developed sufficiently.
Please don't feel bad ... people miss my point all the time!
You'll need to read the definition of Radical @ the top of the OP.
OSAS is not in the minority at all ... just in the RCC, etc.
We can develop this theme as we go along.
 

This Vale Of Tears

Indian Papist
Jun 13, 2013
1,346
61
0
Idaho
evangelist-7 said:
Please don't feel bad ... people miss my point all the time!
You'll need to read the definition of Radical @ the top of the OP.
OSAS is not in the minority at all ... just in the RCC, etc.
We can develop this theme as we go along.
Funny, even cute, how you acknowledge that people are always missing your point and then assume the problem is with us. You still haven't developed the OP.
 

John Zain

Newbie trainee
Sep 16, 2010
750
32
0
San Diego, CA
This Vale Of Tears said:
Funny, even cute, how you acknowledge that people are always missing your point
and then assume the problem is with us. You still haven't developed the OP.
It's my day of rest ... so, be my guest.
 

shturt678

New Member
Feb 9, 2013
970
23
0
82
South Point, Hawaii (Big Island)
Thank you for caring!

Always have appreciated ICor.6:9, "...shall not inherit God's Kingdom?...." noting the "Kingdom of God" which others shy away from for some reason? Anyway 'active' and 'radical' views for sure, ie, an epistle directed to those that have a saving faith being in the "Kingdom of God" inwardly (1st century sort of thing).

Old Jack

btw 'hypergrace' is the in thing of today.
 

John Zain

Newbie trainee
Sep 16, 2010
750
32
0
San Diego, CA
shturt678 said:
Always have appreciated ICor.6:9, "...shall not inherit God's Kingdom?...."
noting the "Kingdom of God" which others shy away from for some reason?
btw 'hypergrace' is the in thing of today.
I know you realize that all of the "entering the kingdom of God/heaven" verses
are speaking of the equivalent of entering heaven itself.
Thanks for the hypergrace reminder, sir.
 

shturt678

New Member
Feb 9, 2013
970
23
0
82
South Point, Hawaii (Big Island)
evangelist-7 said:
I know you realize that all of the "entering the kingdom of God/heaven" verses
are speaking of the equivalent of entering heaven itself.
Thanks for the hypergrace reminder, sir.
Thank you for your response, and feedback my brother!

I think I get the point,

Old Jack that appreciates you and your words...had a few erratic heartbeats when you called me "sir," however back to sinus.