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tim_from_pa

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I am a Libertarian. But I actually changed my party so that I could vote Ron Paul in on the primaries (April 22, 2008 here in pa). I can always change back, and in the final election, it matters not what party you are in because you can vote for anyone.Although I have my doubts that he will win, I sure at the very least it will prove interesting and will make a statement that more people may stand up and take notice. Probably, in all likelihood, I believe Ghouliani will win the Republican, and Hellary will win the democratic. But Ron Paul hit the nail on the head---- he stated to the effect that if Americans are lead to believe that the government has to take care of them from the cradle to the grave, there will be increased taxes for these services, and people will lose their privacy and freedom. There's more to fixing the system than just abolishing the IRS for example. He stated that a basic political/philosophical understanding as to how government was supposed to work has to take place (like a mass repentance in my own words). I agree. People must change their views about the role of government before we can even attempt to fix any of this stuff. But as long as people want control over their lives, and expect a free hand-out, we will have the plagues to go with and and we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
 

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Congratulations! I agree that Ron Paul doesn't have a chance, but will you still vote the Republican primary winner? My concern is that Ron Paul gets selfish and decides to run as an independent as Ross P. did years ago. Our votes get split and history repeats itself.Just as Bill Clinton got in the first time, Hillary gets in. That would be devastating for our nation and we had all better get ready to kiss America goodbye and say hello to socialism. I pray that we all think of the bigger picture, for the best interests of our nation.
 

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Ron Paul does have a chance. If America is still full of Americans Ron Paul must win. There is no other candidate that represents all of us the way he would. If you want big government to represent big corporations then keep staying loyal to your Democratic or Republican party. This argument you are using keeps the cycle going. Vote for who should represent America. If the presidential elections aren't fixed then we will get the president we deserve.
 
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Do you folks truly believe your vote really counts? If you read the book of Acts, it's a good reason to be a socialist, but that's just my opinion.God Bless HaShem Y'shua HaMashiach
 

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Our votes are going to be important this next year. Please dont waste your votes on someone that can not win. You will all know what to do!!!
 

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Do you folks truly believe your vote really counts? If you read the book of Acts, it's a good reason to be a socialist, but that's just my opinion.God Bless HaShem Y'shua HaMashiach
Maybe a socialist in the Christian fashion, which simply means to share and help your fellow man; the resources come from private individuals, a concept that the founding fathers endorsed. But the belief has been twisted into meaning government socialism is compatible with Christianity which is a lie from hell. The bible clearly makes the point the God's way is enmity with the world, and the world hates God. So, government sponsored hand-outs, healthcare, intervention "to help" people,etc. is not compatible with the teachings of Christ. It's the world's false substitute that some so-called Christians, especially those of a more liberal slant, fall hook, line and sinker for and think that such a system is "Christian".
 
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So that's why you're going to vote for Ron Paul? Sheesh, the fact that you're ingauging with a worldly system, such as voting, is incoherent with the argue you've brought to me. The Word of God clearly States that the whole world is going to be consumed in darkness, it ALREADY HAS, and you think a measly vote from you is giong to help?! Sorry, no offense, but no matter who becomes president, Satan will be behind them. America has been judged, the days when God shined upon this whole nation is done with. It's all about his Bride now, the gathering of his elect. It's not Nations that will be saved it's his People. Well anyways, enjoy it, if it makes you happy. I registered but it means nothing now. Oh Lord Come now! please
 

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So that's why you're going to vote for Ron Paul? Sheesh, the fact that you're ingauging with a worldly system, such as voting, is incoherent with the argue you've brought to me. The Word of God clearly States that the whole world is going to be consumed in darkness, it ALREADY HAS, and you think a measly vote from you is giong to help?! Sorry, no offense, but no matter who becomes president, Satan will be behind them. America has been judged, the days when God shined upon this whole nation is done with. It's all about his Bride now, the gathering of his elect. It's not Nations that will be saved it's his People. Well anyways, enjoy it, if it makes you happy. I registered but it means nothing now. Oh Lord Come now! please
Well, if I may, I want to point out that I believe that America was ordained by God to be here today---- it was prophesied. Therefore, until the time of the end, there is always a chance to vote for someone that reflects the thinking of the founding fathers. The constitution and its principles is what God ordained. But to give up on America because "it has been judged" is like saying that I don't have to evangelize because God predestines everyone anyway!
 

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Our votes are going to be important this next year. Please dont waste your votes on someone that can not win. You will all know what to do!!!
If you keep voting for liberal republicans why would the republicans ever have another conservative run for office?Wouldn't you rather your vote go to someone whom you believe is the right man or woman for the job than to vote for someone who is just the slightly lesser of two evils just because the media says that candidate has a better chance?
 
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Well, if I may, I want to point out that I believe that America was ordained by God to be here today---- it was prophesied. Therefore, until the time of the end, there is always a chance to vote for someone that reflects the thinking of the founding fathers. The constitution and its principles is what God ordained. But to give up on America because "it has been judged" is like saying that I don't have to evangelize because God predestines everyone anyway!
It's an individual walk with God brother! Just because America has been judged doesn't mean the people AS A WHOLE will also be judged, it's the individuals that take individual actions. You actually think this country, found on masonic grounds, would actually stand for God?:eek: It's whatever to me though, If you really think your vote counts, it doesn't. The most common people I've encountered that believe the way you do, are far right wing Christians and Christians who can't even see that democrats and republicans are two peas in the same pod.
 

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It's an individual walk with God brother! Just because America has been judged doesn't mean the people AS A WHOLE will also be judged, it's the individuals that take individual actions. You actually think this country, found on masonic grounds, would actually stand for God?:eek: It's whatever to me though, If you really think your vote counts, it doesn't. The most common people I've encountered that believe the way you do, are far right wing Christians and Christians who can't even see that democrats and republicans are two peas in the same pod.
Yes, it would (or should) stand for God if He ordained it. I believe that this nation is part of the lost tribes of Israel, and as such support it like the Jew. In the end, many remaining lost people will be regathered just like the Jew and returned to the land of Israel. In the meantimes, God saw fit to have this government set up the way it is.You seem to be young yet or at least in your manner of thinking. I used to take that stance as if this did not matter until I matured and saw the connection with God's plan.And on the individual level, if I vote in who I want, at least I cannot blame myself this time and have every right to voice my opposition when things do not turn out right if my candidate does not get in. I find it amazing that people do not want to take part, and yet want the benefits of living in this great nation (quickly sliding down the tubes if I may add).
 
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I'm pretty sure you've read all of Proverbs right? I understand that the natural foreshadows the spiritual. Well there are many references to governments, rulers, kings and princes, that they should be moral and godly. Do you see that in America today? Chivalry and godliness in America is on life support. From George Bush Sr. to His son Now has there even been a change of godliness? No! Clinton on down to today no! Men full of Lies, deceit, leading people astray. Most of the Southern Christians are being led astray by these far right wing Greedy "self proclaimed Christians". Men in secret societies, pacts with demonic lodges, yeah America, a land chosen by God, wants men who have made pacts with Masonic Lodges, to lead this nation. I've heard the excuse that, well were all human, although this part of the fallacy of our leaders is true, the fact they constantly lie to deceive you people. America is Lost, and the only thing that will be saved in America are his Elect, His Bride, and the remnant Jews who by his Grace will he return to the Promised Land. Whether we vote or not, this dark country will go on with it's immoral ways, it's anti-christian spirit, MOST OF THESE CHURCHES DENY THE HOLY GHOST! Those that do accept the Holy Ghost completely miss what it's for and how special It is.This Lukewarm Country! This Laodicean Age! The Nicolaitan Spirit that dwells in this country. The Spirit of Jezebel, of Belial, OF Baal! This once destined country no longer holds the name of YHWH High! Just like Baal, godly then turned into an enemy of God! But anyways, I'll let you enjoy life, and As God loved his People so do I. God BlessHaShem Y'shua HaMashiach ben Elohim!
 

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I'm pretty sure you've read all of Proverbs right? I understand that the natural foreshadows the spiritual. Well there are many references to governments, rulers, kings and princes, that they should be moral and godly. Do you see that in America today? Chivalry and godliness in America is on life support. From George Bush Sr. to His son Now has there even been a change of godliness? No! Clinton on down to today no! Men full of Lies, deceit, leading people astray. Most of the Southern Christians are being led astray by these far right wing Greedy "self proclaimed Christians". Men in secret societies, pacts with demonic lodges, yeah America, a land chosen by God, wants men who have made pacts with Masonic Lodges, to lead this nation. I've heard the excuse that, well were all human, although this part of the fallacy of our leaders is true, the fact they constantly lie to deceive you people. America is Lost, and the only thing that will be saved in America are his Elect, His Bride, and the remnant Jews who by his Grace will he return to the Promised Land. Whether we vote or not, this dark country will go on with it's immoral ways, it's anti-christian spirit, MOST OF THESE CHURCHES DENY THE HOLY GHOST! Those that do accept the Holy Ghost completely miss what it's for and how special It is.This Lukewarm Country! This Laodicean Age! The Nicolaitan Spirit that dwells in this country. The Spirit of Jezebel, of Belial, OF Baal! This once destined country no longer holds the name of YHWH High! Just like Baal, godly then turned into an enemy of God! But anyways, I'll let you enjoy life, and As God loved his People so do I. God BlessHaShem Y'shua HaMashiach ben Elohim!
Well, in a nutshell, that's why I go with Ron Paul, to get away from what you are saying and go back to the founding fathers' philosophy and a more pure nation. You do agree with the founding father's, no?
 

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I'm not sure what you are driving at---- sounds like you have a lot of "it doesn't matter" negativity and like I am insignificant. For the record, I am a son of God just like Him and what I do matters to God. You are free to move somewhere else if it does not matter to you, like the highest peak of Kilimanjaro. Sounds like you'd be happier there to me since you do not care what goes on here in the United States.
 

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Greetings,A quote I found years ago concerning the separation of church and state: The kingdom of God comes not with outward show. The gospel of the grace of God, with its spirit of self-abnegation, can never be in harmony with the spirit of the world. The two principles are antagonistic. "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor. 2:14. But today in the religious world there are multitudes who, as they believe, are working for the establishment of the kingdom of Christ as an earthly and temporal dominion. They desire to make our Lord the ruler of the kingdoms of this world, the ruler in its courts and camps, its legislative halls, its palaces and market places. They expect Him to rule through legal enactments, enforced by human authority. Since Christ is not now here in person, they themselves will undertake to act in His stead, to execute the laws of His kingdom. The establishment of such a kingdom is what the Jews desired in the days of Christ. They would have received Jesus, had He been willing to establish a temporal dominion, to enforce what they regarded as the laws of God, and to make them the expositors of His will and the agents of His authority. But He said, "My kingdom is not of this world." John 18:36. He would not accept the earthly throne. The government under which Jesus lived was corrupt and oppressive; on every hand were crying abuses,--extortion, intolerance, and grinding cruelty. Yet the Saviour attempted no civil reforms. He attacked no national abuses, nor condemned the national enemies. He did not interfere with the authority or administration of those in power. He who was our example kept aloof from earthly governments. Not because He was indifferent to the woes of men, but because the remedy did not lie in merely human and external measures. To be efficient, the cure must reach men individually, and must regenerate the heart. Not by the decisions of courts or councils or legislative assemblies, not by the patronage of worldly great men, is the kingdom of Christ established, but by the implanting of Christ's nature in humanity through the work of the Holy Spirit. "As many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12, 13. Here is the only power that can work the uplifting of mankind. And the human agency for the accomplishment of this work is the teaching and practicing of the word of God. When the apostle Paul began his ministry in Corinth, that populous, wealthy, and wicked city, polluted by the nameless vices of heathenism, he said, "I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified." 1 Cor. 2:2. Writing afterward to some of those who had been corrupted by the foulest sins, he could say, "But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." "I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ." 1 Cor. 6:11; 1:4. Now, as in Christ's day, the work of God's kingdom lies not with those who are clamoring for recognition and support by earthly rulers and human laws, but with those who are declaring to the people in His name those spiritual truths that will work in the receivers the experience of Paul: "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me." Gal. 2:20. Then they will labor as did Paul for the benefit of men. He said, "Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God." 2 Cor. 5:20. End QuoteJake
 
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AMEN! Paul says to Boast with measure, Scripture says keep your self humbled lest the Lord humbles self exalters. But I do boast on Behalf of my Lord Jesus Christ, with measure of Course. This is my point. Why be active in a worldly government, a worldly system, KEY WORD WORLDLY. Did not our Lord say we are not of this world, that he is not of this world, and his Kingdom is not of this world?@precious message Amazing Post and it has my highest commendation. Although a man's commendation means little to nothing, nonetheless I give it anyway.
 

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AMEN! Paul says to Boast with measure, Scripture says keep your self humbled lest the Lord humbles self exalters. But I do boast on Behalf of my Lord Jesus Christ, with measure of Course. This is my point. Why be active in a worldly government, a worldly system, KEY WORD WORLDLY. Did not our Lord say we are not of this world, that he is not of this world, and his Kingdom is not of this world?@precious message Amazing Post and it has my highest commendation. Although a man's commendation means little to nothing, nonetheless I give it anyway.
Greetings to you, An interesting quote of over 100 years ago:There are many “Christians” who want to purify politics with religion. And many of the same Christians and ministers of the gospel seek to justify their dealing in politics by saying that it is their duty to make this earth the kingdom of heaven. In a recent campaign we have heard much about “the regeneration of London,” and “making London the city of God.” Such language shows a grave misapprehension of what the gospel is. “It is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth.” Rom. 1:16. Regeneration is accomplished only by the Holy Spirit working upon individual hearts, and can not be controlled by men. The kingdoms of this world shall become the kingdoms of Christ, but only “the zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.” Rev. 11:15; Isa. 9:7. There will be a new earth, in which only righteousness will dwell, but it will be only after the coming of the day of the Lord, in which the elements shall melt, and ungodly men shall be burned up. 2 Pet. 3:10-13. It will not be brought about by political action, even though ministers of the Gospel be the politicians. The minister of the Gospel has but one commission, namely, “Preach the word.” In no other way in the world can men be made better. Therefore the minister who turns his attention to politics is denying his calling. We must needs be subject to earthly governments, for conscience’ sake; and for this cause also we must pay tribute and perform every duty of that nature that is laid upon us. Taxes may be heavy, and even unjust, but that does not warrant us in rebelling. The apostle James speaks to rich men who oppress the poor, and his language applies as well when they are in public office as when in private life. He says: “Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.” James 5:5, 6. Mark this, the just do not resist. Why not? Because of the injunction: “If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath; for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.” Rom. 12:18, 19. As subjects of the King of peace, and citizens of His kingdom, they are bound to live peaceably with all men. Hence they can not fight even in self-defense. In this, Christ the Prince of peace is their example. Only the evil workers are afraid of rulers. Well-doers have no fear. This is not because all rulers are good; for we know that many are not. “The broad empire of Rome filled the world,” and the one who ruled it when Paul wrote to the Romans was the most vile and cruel of all the monsters who governed it. Nero put men to death for the mere pleasure of killing them. Well might he strike terror to the hearts of men; yet the Christians could be calm, because their trust was in God. “Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid.” Isa. 12:2. End QuoteJake
 

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Well, speaking of over 100 years ago, I have on my web site in my signature a good book called "Judah's Sceptre/Joseph's Birthright". I think if one reads and believes what it says will clarify my position regarding earthly governments.I look at the US government established by God the same manner as the theocracy of Israel. Don't confuse what I am saying with mixing religion and government as I sense someone is jumping to do. I am dealing with purpose here. It is the utilization of government to fit into God's bigger plan until He comes to take the throne of David from the one that presently occupies it over Israel. I hope we do not despise that throne here on earth, even though the people occupying it are not the best examples?I want to just get back to the founding father's wishes and the government that God established in the constitution, or are some of you going to fall for handing in your guns if a minister says that the government asked us to (I believe marshal law is coming) so that "we all follow Romans 13"? No, such wussy obedience is only going to fall into the hands of antichrist. I would rather disobey that mandate. The Christian, and I should say, Israelite, has every right to be the salt of the earth in more ways than just the spiritual. When I see the masses, including some Christians(?) about to hit a brick wall, I'm supposed to stand back and watch them kill themselves? To separate the worldly from the spiritual is Gnosticism.