There are various popular Christian songs and many sermon references to people supposedly being "Touched" by God.But, no demonstration of such an encounter with God is shown in Scripture for us to expect. If anybody in Scripture was actually "touched" by God, it was the very extreme exception, and not at all the norm for us.People who sing, talk, speculate, and supposedly recount such an experience are just lying, and need to be corrected in love with wisdom and admonition not to use their imagination to misrepresent what God does.Usually, it is the "Pentecostals" who like to promote such willy nilly ideas which cannot materially be demonstrated. Remember, people in Scripture never were "slain under the anointing." The Apostle Paul was not. New believers were not. Only sinners and Jesus' enemies fell down under the weight of His Deity.Shelli.
Being "Touched" By God.
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ShellieThere are lots of phonie religeous people out there, but I have had some hair raising emotional experiences when worshiping with other sincere christians. I cant hep believe that the holy spirit isnt moved by some worshippers. I cant help wonder what it what like to meet Jesus in the flesh, or see someone raised from the dead. That must of been quite a experience
(Shelli;23515)
There are various popular Christian songs and many sermon references to people supposedly being "Touched" by God.But, no demonstration of such an encounter with God is shown in Scripture for us to expect. If anybody in Scripture was actually "touched" by God, it was the very extreme exception, and not at all the norm for us.People who sing, talk, speculate, and supposedly recount such an experience are just lying, and need to be corrected in love with wisdom and admonition not to use their imagination to misrepresent what God does.Usually, it is the "Pentecostals" who like to promote such willy nilly ideas which cannot materially be demonstrated. Remember, people in Scripture never were "slain under the anointing." The Apostle Paul was not. New believers were not. Only sinners and Jesus' enemies fell down under the weight of His Deity.Shelli.Shelli.
I am a Presbyterian, one of God's "frozen chosen" and I have been touched by God. He touches my heart with love and compassion when once their was no love. He reaches out and touches me when I need a steady hand. He surrounds me with his love so that I can feel it. It gives me every day grace to deal with others and problems in my life.I once tried to do everything on my own. I had everything going my way. I kept God in a box and brought him out when I had the time and I needed him. Then I got sick and lost almost everything that I that I thought was important (but wasn't really). That was eighteen years ago and I am still sick. I was in the wilderness for a few years, but now I have found my way. He has healed me in other ways when I did not even know that I was sick in these areas.Once I was too proud to ask for help, but God has shown me that I can be vulnerable. It is okay the depend on him and others. It is okay to share my problems and be healed. He has taught me compassion for others by revealing my own weaknesses. By taking away unimportant things he has shown me what was of value in my own life.I haven't worked in four years and probably never will again. I used to take great pride in my job, but now count it as not important. He has given me the opportunity to share with others what he has done for me. For a long time, I was too hurt to talk about it.God has touched my life and blessed me in ways that I never even dreamed. His love for me is palpable. It is as real to me as the air that I breath. I have no doubt in who he is and that he will keep his promises.Each day is a challenge for me. Sometimes I still get down. But God picks me up and shows me that life with constant pain and tiredness is better than the life I had before, when I was doing on my own and for my own reasons.I would not wish what I have on others, but I would wish that they have what I have. I would wish that they knew the heart of God the way I do.It isn't me that has made the difference, it is the Holy Spirit. Like many Christians, I once took him for granted. He was the silent partner of the Trinity. No longer. He is big, bold, beautiful and alive to me. I have learned to cooperate with him and that has made all of the difference in my life.It was a matter of letting go of my misconceptions. In surrendering to him, we gain infinitely more than we lose. A lot of it is fear. Imagine how afraid Peter must have felt when he got out of that boat. It can eat us up if we let it. The other apostles stayed in the boat, perhaps letting fear take hold. It was Peter's worldview that changed when he took that first step of obedience. He learned to trust God in ways that the others did not. They did not experience what Peter felt and as far as we know their worldview did not shift.So it is with trusting the Holy Spirit. We can stay in the boat or get out. There is risk involved, but great benefit. When we look at manifestations of the Holy Spirit such as resting in the Spirit, holy laughter or crying. We are being like the other disciples when we look at these from the outside. Our worldview is not big enough to encompass them simply because we did not take that same step of obedience. So our first response is to dismiss them or even to discount them altogether. Or we can be like Peter and experience them first hand. Maybe nothing will happen and maybe, like Peter's, your life will be changed.The Holy Spirit knows our needs better than we do. He chooses how he ministers to us. Some people do not know the deep wounds they carry. Others know them only too well. Laughter or crying serve a purpose. It is about letting go and trusting God. It is about being free and available to God to work in and through us. Resting in the Spirit bathes us in God's love. To the outsider it may appear as theatrics, but for the person it is totally real.Undoubtedly there are false prophets, phony healing, and theatrics in some cases. But like in the case of Simon the sorcerer they only try to emulate what is otherwise real. The existence of fake diamonds does not mean that the real ones are fakes, too. It only shows how precious real ones are and what lengths people will go to to be part of something good.I am a changed person since I got sick. Sometimes God has to some reconstructive surgery in our lives before we realize what we had and to become all that he wants us to be.You could say that I have been "touched" by God.
There are various popular Christian songs and many sermon references to people supposedly being "Touched" by God.But, no demonstration of such an encounter with God is shown in Scripture for us to expect. If anybody in Scripture was actually "touched" by God, it was the very extreme exception, and not at all the norm for us.People who sing, talk, speculate, and supposedly recount such an experience are just lying, and need to be corrected in love with wisdom and admonition not to use their imagination to misrepresent what God does.Usually, it is the "Pentecostals" who like to promote such willy nilly ideas which cannot materially be demonstrated. Remember, people in Scripture never were "slain under the anointing." The Apostle Paul was not. New believers were not. Only sinners and Jesus' enemies fell down under the weight of His Deity.Shelli.Shelli.
I am a Presbyterian, one of God's "frozen chosen" and I have been touched by God. He touches my heart with love and compassion when once their was no love. He reaches out and touches me when I need a steady hand. He surrounds me with his love so that I can feel it. It gives me every day grace to deal with others and problems in my life.I once tried to do everything on my own. I had everything going my way. I kept God in a box and brought him out when I had the time and I needed him. Then I got sick and lost almost everything that I that I thought was important (but wasn't really). That was eighteen years ago and I am still sick. I was in the wilderness for a few years, but now I have found my way. He has healed me in other ways when I did not even know that I was sick in these areas.Once I was too proud to ask for help, but God has shown me that I can be vulnerable. It is okay the depend on him and others. It is okay to share my problems and be healed. He has taught me compassion for others by revealing my own weaknesses. By taking away unimportant things he has shown me what was of value in my own life.I haven't worked in four years and probably never will again. I used to take great pride in my job, but now count it as not important. He has given me the opportunity to share with others what he has done for me. For a long time, I was too hurt to talk about it.God has touched my life and blessed me in ways that I never even dreamed. His love for me is palpable. It is as real to me as the air that I breath. I have no doubt in who he is and that he will keep his promises.Each day is a challenge for me. Sometimes I still get down. But God picks me up and shows me that life with constant pain and tiredness is better than the life I had before, when I was doing on my own and for my own reasons.I would not wish what I have on others, but I would wish that they have what I have. I would wish that they knew the heart of God the way I do.It isn't me that has made the difference, it is the Holy Spirit. Like many Christians, I once took him for granted. He was the silent partner of the Trinity. No longer. He is big, bold, beautiful and alive to me. I have learned to cooperate with him and that has made all of the difference in my life.It was a matter of letting go of my misconceptions. In surrendering to him, we gain infinitely more than we lose. A lot of it is fear. Imagine how afraid Peter must have felt when he got out of that boat. It can eat us up if we let it. The other apostles stayed in the boat, perhaps letting fear take hold. It was Peter's worldview that changed when he took that first step of obedience. He learned to trust God in ways that the others did not. They did not experience what Peter felt and as far as we know their worldview did not shift.So it is with trusting the Holy Spirit. We can stay in the boat or get out. There is risk involved, but great benefit. When we look at manifestations of the Holy Spirit such as resting in the Spirit, holy laughter or crying. We are being like the other disciples when we look at these from the outside. Our worldview is not big enough to encompass them simply because we did not take that same step of obedience. So our first response is to dismiss them or even to discount them altogether. Or we can be like Peter and experience them first hand. Maybe nothing will happen and maybe, like Peter's, your life will be changed.The Holy Spirit knows our needs better than we do. He chooses how he ministers to us. Some people do not know the deep wounds they carry. Others know them only too well. Laughter or crying serve a purpose. It is about letting go and trusting God. It is about being free and available to God to work in and through us. Resting in the Spirit bathes us in God's love. To the outsider it may appear as theatrics, but for the person it is totally real.Undoubtedly there are false prophets, phony healing, and theatrics in some cases. But like in the case of Simon the sorcerer they only try to emulate what is otherwise real. The existence of fake diamonds does not mean that the real ones are fakes, too. It only shows how precious real ones are and what lengths people will go to to be part of something good.I am a changed person since I got sick. Sometimes God has to some reconstructive surgery in our lives before we realize what we had and to become all that he wants us to be.You could say that I have been "touched" by God.
King David danced and played music in his worship. I am not into singing, but you cant put God or people in a box. every one worships differently. I do it quietly. if King david want to jump up on my dinner table and dance to the Lord so be it. If any one preaches or talkes in His name leave them alone. Read Phill 1:12-18 It clearly tells us to leave others alone that preach in his name phoney or otherwise.I know what your feeling though.Crooner
Jon-Marc
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In my opinion anyone who is born again has been "touched by God". In fact, we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, and that is far more than just being "touched".
(crooner;23527)
ShellieThere are lots of phonie religeous people out there, but I have had some hair raising emotional experiences when worshiping with other sincere christians. I cant hep believe that the holy spirit isnt moved by some worshippers. I cant help wonder what it what like to meet Jesus in the flesh, or see someone raised from the dead. That must of been quite a experience
Crooner,Supposedly "feeling the presence of the Holy Spirit" in a personal and intuitive way, even in "hair raising" ways," apart from easily seen material signs and material power of His presence is not demonstrated in Scripture. People are so suggestible and gullible that "Pentecostal" preachers, and even regular preachers, have become experts at manipulating peoples' psychological buttons through:1. The power of suggestion.2. The power of repetition.3. Using guilt, fear, failure, and weakness in people.4. Using peer pressure.5. Using false "authority."6. Using threats "from God."7. Using soft and hypnotic background music, or loud and mindnumbing music.8. Using the appearance of "professionalism."9. Using trick phrases and catch words which have an assumed meaning, but have no material significance. These could be called "Churchy sounding aphorisms."10. Using a false description and false interpretation of what has happened, including Scriptural accounts.The Holy Spirit may "touch" people by His material signs and acts done within their sight and hearing, but God Himself does not "Touch!!" people, because they would explode. Such nonsense is not demonstrated in Scripture. Do you interpret Scripture with your experiences, or do you interpret your experiences with Scripture?Shelli.
ShellieThere are lots of phonie religeous people out there, but I have had some hair raising emotional experiences when worshiping with other sincere christians. I cant hep believe that the holy spirit isnt moved by some worshippers. I cant help wonder what it what like to meet Jesus in the flesh, or see someone raised from the dead. That must of been quite a experience
Crooner,Supposedly "feeling the presence of the Holy Spirit" in a personal and intuitive way, even in "hair raising" ways," apart from easily seen material signs and material power of His presence is not demonstrated in Scripture. People are so suggestible and gullible that "Pentecostal" preachers, and even regular preachers, have become experts at manipulating peoples' psychological buttons through:1. The power of suggestion.2. The power of repetition.3. Using guilt, fear, failure, and weakness in people.4. Using peer pressure.5. Using false "authority."6. Using threats "from God."7. Using soft and hypnotic background music, or loud and mindnumbing music.8. Using the appearance of "professionalism."9. Using trick phrases and catch words which have an assumed meaning, but have no material significance. These could be called "Churchy sounding aphorisms."10. Using a false description and false interpretation of what has happened, including Scriptural accounts.The Holy Spirit may "touch" people by His material signs and acts done within their sight and hearing, but God Himself does not "Touch!!" people, because they would explode. Such nonsense is not demonstrated in Scripture. Do you interpret Scripture with your experiences, or do you interpret your experiences with Scripture?Shelli.
(Dunamite;23586)
I am a Presbyterian, one of God's "frozen chosen" and I have been touched by God. He touches my heart with love and compassion when once their was no love. He reaches out and touches me when I need a steady hand. He surrounds me with his love so that I can feel it. It gives me every day grace to deal with others and problems in my life.I once tried to do everything on my own. I had everything going my way. I kept God in a box and brought him out when I had the time and I needed him. Then I got sick and lost almost everything that I that I thought was important (but wasn't really). That was eighteen years ago and I am still sick. I was in the wilderness for a few years, but now I have found my way. He has healed me in other ways when I did not even know that I was sick in these areas.Once I was too proud to ask for help, but God has shown me that I can be vulnerable. It is okay the depend on him and others. It is okay to share my problems and be healed. He has taught me compassion for others by revealing my own weaknesses. By taking away unimportant things he has shown me what was of value in my own life.I haven't worked in four years and probably never will again. I used to take great pride in my job, but now count it as not important. He has given me the opportunity to share with others what he has done for me. For a long time, I was too hurt to talk about it.God has touched my life and blessed me in ways that I never even dreamed. His love for me is palpable. It is as real to me as the air that I breath. I have no doubt in who he is and that he will keep his promises.Each day is a challenge for me. Sometimes I still get down. But God picks me up and shows me that life with constant pain and tiredness is better than the life I had before, when I was doing on my own and for my own reasons.I would not wish what I have on others, but I would wish that they have what I have. I would wish that they knew the heart of God the way I do.It isn't me that has made the difference, it is the Holy Spirit. Like many Christians, I once took him for granted. He was the silent partner of the Trinity. No longer. He is big, bold, beautiful and alive to me. I have learned to cooperate with him and that has made all of the difference in my life.It was a matter of letting go of my misconceptions. In surrendering to him, we gain infinitely more than we lose. A lot of it is fear. Imagine how afraid Peter must have felt when he got out of that boat. It can eat us up if we let it. The other apostles stayed in the boat, perhaps letting fear take hold. It was Peter's worldview that changed when he took that first step of obedience. He learned to trust God in ways that the others did not. They did not experience what Peter felt and as far as we know their worldview did not shift.So it is with trusting the Holy Spirit. We can stay in the boat or get out. There is risk involved, but great benefit. When we look at manifestations of the Holy Spirit such as resting in the Spirit, holy laughter or crying. We are being like the other disciples when we look at these from the outside. Our worldview is not big enough to encompass them simply because we did not take that same step of obedience. So our first response is to dismiss them or even to discount them altogether. Or we can be like Peter and experience them first hand. Maybe nothing will happen and maybe, like Peter's, your life will be changed.The Holy Spirit knows our needs better than we do. He chooses how he ministers to us. Some people do not know the deep wounds they carry. Others know them only too well. Laughter or crying serve a purpose. It is about letting go and trusting God. It is about being free and available to God to work in and through us. Resting in the Spirit bathes us in God's love. To the outsider it may appear as theatrics, but for the person it is totally real.Undoubtedly there are false prophets, phony healing, and theatrics in some cases. But like in the case of Simon the sorcerer they only try to emulate what is otherwise real. The existence of fake diamonds does not mean that the real ones are fakes, too. It only shows how precious real ones are and what lengths people will go to to be part of something good.I am a changed person since I got sick. Sometimes God has to some reconstructive surgery in our lives before we realize what we had and to become all that he wants us to be.You could say that I have been "touched" by God.
Can you share Scripture showing God Himself ever "touching" people as a pattern for believers, today? Did the Apostles or Jesus specifically teach this idea, or is it a modern humanly contrived perception?Shelli.
I am a Presbyterian, one of God's "frozen chosen" and I have been touched by God. He touches my heart with love and compassion when once their was no love. He reaches out and touches me when I need a steady hand. He surrounds me with his love so that I can feel it. It gives me every day grace to deal with others and problems in my life.I once tried to do everything on my own. I had everything going my way. I kept God in a box and brought him out when I had the time and I needed him. Then I got sick and lost almost everything that I that I thought was important (but wasn't really). That was eighteen years ago and I am still sick. I was in the wilderness for a few years, but now I have found my way. He has healed me in other ways when I did not even know that I was sick in these areas.Once I was too proud to ask for help, but God has shown me that I can be vulnerable. It is okay the depend on him and others. It is okay to share my problems and be healed. He has taught me compassion for others by revealing my own weaknesses. By taking away unimportant things he has shown me what was of value in my own life.I haven't worked in four years and probably never will again. I used to take great pride in my job, but now count it as not important. He has given me the opportunity to share with others what he has done for me. For a long time, I was too hurt to talk about it.God has touched my life and blessed me in ways that I never even dreamed. His love for me is palpable. It is as real to me as the air that I breath. I have no doubt in who he is and that he will keep his promises.Each day is a challenge for me. Sometimes I still get down. But God picks me up and shows me that life with constant pain and tiredness is better than the life I had before, when I was doing on my own and for my own reasons.I would not wish what I have on others, but I would wish that they have what I have. I would wish that they knew the heart of God the way I do.It isn't me that has made the difference, it is the Holy Spirit. Like many Christians, I once took him for granted. He was the silent partner of the Trinity. No longer. He is big, bold, beautiful and alive to me. I have learned to cooperate with him and that has made all of the difference in my life.It was a matter of letting go of my misconceptions. In surrendering to him, we gain infinitely more than we lose. A lot of it is fear. Imagine how afraid Peter must have felt when he got out of that boat. It can eat us up if we let it. The other apostles stayed in the boat, perhaps letting fear take hold. It was Peter's worldview that changed when he took that first step of obedience. He learned to trust God in ways that the others did not. They did not experience what Peter felt and as far as we know their worldview did not shift.So it is with trusting the Holy Spirit. We can stay in the boat or get out. There is risk involved, but great benefit. When we look at manifestations of the Holy Spirit such as resting in the Spirit, holy laughter or crying. We are being like the other disciples when we look at these from the outside. Our worldview is not big enough to encompass them simply because we did not take that same step of obedience. So our first response is to dismiss them or even to discount them altogether. Or we can be like Peter and experience them first hand. Maybe nothing will happen and maybe, like Peter's, your life will be changed.The Holy Spirit knows our needs better than we do. He chooses how he ministers to us. Some people do not know the deep wounds they carry. Others know them only too well. Laughter or crying serve a purpose. It is about letting go and trusting God. It is about being free and available to God to work in and through us. Resting in the Spirit bathes us in God's love. To the outsider it may appear as theatrics, but for the person it is totally real.Undoubtedly there are false prophets, phony healing, and theatrics in some cases. But like in the case of Simon the sorcerer they only try to emulate what is otherwise real. The existence of fake diamonds does not mean that the real ones are fakes, too. It only shows how precious real ones are and what lengths people will go to to be part of something good.I am a changed person since I got sick. Sometimes God has to some reconstructive surgery in our lives before we realize what we had and to become all that he wants us to be.You could say that I have been "touched" by God.
Can you share Scripture showing God Himself ever "touching" people as a pattern for believers, today? Did the Apostles or Jesus specifically teach this idea, or is it a modern humanly contrived perception?Shelli.
(crooner;23597)
King David danced and played music in his worship. I am not into singing, but you cant put God or people in a box. every one worships differently. I do it quietly. if King david want to jump up on my dinner table and dance to the Lord so be it. If any one preaches or talkes in His name leave them alone. Read Phill 1:12-18 It clearly tells us to leave others alone that preach in his name phoney or otherwise.I know what your feeling though.Crooner
Crooner,Actually, I am not "feeling" much of anything regarding this issue, but am cognitively aware of what Scripture does not say which "believers" and "preachers" try to pass off as a "gospel."For instance, where did you get this idea about "putting God in a box ... ?" If that is not possible, why speak as if anyone can do it?Shelli.
King David danced and played music in his worship. I am not into singing, but you cant put God or people in a box. every one worships differently. I do it quietly. if King david want to jump up on my dinner table and dance to the Lord so be it. If any one preaches or talkes in His name leave them alone. Read Phill 1:12-18 It clearly tells us to leave others alone that preach in his name phoney or otherwise.I know what your feeling though.Crooner
Crooner,Actually, I am not "feeling" much of anything regarding this issue, but am cognitively aware of what Scripture does not say which "believers" and "preachers" try to pass off as a "gospel."For instance, where did you get this idea about "putting God in a box ... ?" If that is not possible, why speak as if anyone can do it?Shelli.
(Jon-Marc;23609)
In my opinion anyone who is born again has been "touched by God". In fact, we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, and that is far more just being "touched".
Jon,What is worth believing: God's disclosure of Himself through Jesus and His written Word, or your opinion which is not shown in God's Word?Shelli.
In my opinion anyone who is born again has been "touched by God". In fact, we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, and that is far more just being "touched".
Jon,What is worth believing: God's disclosure of Himself through Jesus and His written Word, or your opinion which is not shown in God's Word?Shelli.
Jon-Marc
New Member
(Shelli;23619)
Jon,What is worth believing: God's disclosure of Himself through Jesus and His written Word, or your opinion which is not shown in God's Word?Shelli.
I'm not entitled to have an opinion? You're welcome to do as others do and ignore anything I write. In any case, Jesus Christ (Who while on earth was God in the flesh) physically touched a lot of people for healing.
Jon,What is worth believing: God's disclosure of Himself through Jesus and His written Word, or your opinion which is not shown in God's Word?Shelli.
I'm not entitled to have an opinion? You're welcome to do as others do and ignore anything I write. In any case, Jesus Christ (Who while on earth was God in the flesh) physically touched a lot of people for healing.
(Jon-Marc;23682)
I'm not entitled to have an opinion? You're welcome to do as others do and ignore anything I write. In any case, Jesus Christ (Who while on earth was God in the flesh) physically touched a lot of people for healing.
Has Jesus physically touched you?
I'm not entitled to have an opinion? You're welcome to do as others do and ignore anything I write. In any case, Jesus Christ (Who while on earth was God in the flesh) physically touched a lot of people for healing.
Has Jesus physically touched you?
Jon-Marc
New Member
(Shelli;23692)
Has Jesus physically touched you?
You seem to want to take this idea of "touching" too literally. I have been "touched" by other people many times, although they never once touched me physically. They had a very emotional and/or spiritual impact on meOne person who really "touched" me was a 12-year-old boy in England that I never actually met and only knew on a Christian Web site. He was 11 when he came to us in the forums and turned 12 while he was there. He was only with us 8 months and everyone who "knew" him fell in love with him (and I don't mean in an improper way). He was highly intelligent and had no problem conversing with us on an equal level. He quickly gained our love and respect. He had a great sense of humor and could give as well as he got with the jokes and kidding.On the first of this month he went home to be with the Lord. It tore us all up inside. I had a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes as I wrote a reply, and as I read all the other replies expressing sympathy to the family, and the love we all had for the boy. He had been very ill on and off and had gone into a coma and died.He "touched" many hearts and lives during his short life. Touching is not always physical. How is it possible to love someone you've never met? I don't know, but it is. It was like I had lost a son. Of course, I've never actually seen Jesus (and no, He has never physically touched me), but I love Him because He first loved me. He has "touched" me in other ways--starting with saving my miserable sinful soul from an eternity separated from Him.
Has Jesus physically touched you?
You seem to want to take this idea of "touching" too literally. I have been "touched" by other people many times, although they never once touched me physically. They had a very emotional and/or spiritual impact on meOne person who really "touched" me was a 12-year-old boy in England that I never actually met and only knew on a Christian Web site. He was 11 when he came to us in the forums and turned 12 while he was there. He was only with us 8 months and everyone who "knew" him fell in love with him (and I don't mean in an improper way). He was highly intelligent and had no problem conversing with us on an equal level. He quickly gained our love and respect. He had a great sense of humor and could give as well as he got with the jokes and kidding.On the first of this month he went home to be with the Lord. It tore us all up inside. I had a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes as I wrote a reply, and as I read all the other replies expressing sympathy to the family, and the love we all had for the boy. He had been very ill on and off and had gone into a coma and died.He "touched" many hearts and lives during his short life. Touching is not always physical. How is it possible to love someone you've never met? I don't know, but it is. It was like I had lost a son. Of course, I've never actually seen Jesus (and no, He has never physically touched me), but I love Him because He first loved me. He has "touched" me in other ways--starting with saving my miserable sinful soul from an eternity separated from Him.
Hi All,To this reference about God being in a box, that was used by Pentecostal and Charismatics to justify and raionalize that the Holy Spirit can be in the worship place and not just inside of you.But Jesus said that is the only way you will know the Holy Spirit is by Him being in you, not out there in the world.John 14: 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me....15If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Every believer that seek a sign are becoming an adulterous generation. Signs are for unbelievers. Therefore those that seek after a sign like speaking in tongues which is the evidence of this "other" baptism of the Holy Spirit have departed from faith and resorted to the rudiment of the world. They blur the line of discernment by placing the Holy Spirit in the worship place and thus how can one test the spirits if he that is in you is greater that he that is in the world if the he that is in you is also in the world? He cannot, otherwise believers would be committing the unpardonable sin all the time in testing the spirits, and thus those that look for the Holy Spirit in its comings and goings, hold the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit verse against all those if you call those spirits out in the worship place, coming and going.. falling and causing chaos in the worship place.. not the Holy Spirit. Covenient for them and yet they just obliterated the scriptures for anyone to test the spirits.The only way you can know the Holy Spirit is that He is in you. You cannot get any closer to Him by the Holy Spirit being in the worship place where seducing spirits dwell to lure devotion away from Jesus and from the reading of His words to learn of Jesus.So yes... God is in a box.. the Holy Spirit is in you. 1 Corinthians 3: 16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? That is also the faith.2 Corinthians 13: 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?May the Lord keep you going, Shelli!! The scriptures is the only way to reprove in keeping the faith, but even then.. the Lord has to cause the increase.1 Corinthians 3: 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
I agree with you Jon. It is all through the Bible that Jesus was God in the flesh, so according to scripture God touched many many people
(Shelli;23617)
Can you share Scripture showing God Himself ever "touching" people as a pattern for believers, today? Did the Apostles or Jesus specifically teach this idea, or is it a modern humanly contrived perception?Shelli.
The whole book of Acts is full of people who were baptized in the Holy Spirit with frequent manifestations, the most common and obvious one is speaking in tongues. There are also external manifestations such as wind and tongues of fire (Acts 2).I will start before that though. First this was all promised. In Joel 2;"28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. 29 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days. Paul lists prophecy as a spiritual gift. Dreams and visions are often ways in which the Holy Spirit communicates to us. Notice that it is for all people, even servants and both men and women. This is important because in the OT, the Holy Spirit was only poured out on prophets, kings, and judges. Joel is talking about something entirely different.Is baptism of the Holy Spirit different from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Yes. All believers have the Spirit of God in us from the moment we are justified. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is associated with anointing here: Acts 10: 37 You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.It is spoken of as being different than water baptism which is also mentioned here. It is referred to as an anointing and says it was for power. It was followed by distinct actions and results such as doing good and healing.In Luke 24: 49 Jesus says "I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high." The apostles have probably already been baptized with water because Jesus and they had already been doing this throughout Judea and Samaria. But Acts 1 says this to make it even clearer: 4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit." Note that water baptism is mentioned and baptism with the Holy Spirit.The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the Old Testament. In Ezekiel 36: 27 it says, "And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws." This is not referring to what was referred to in Joel. It is associated with the new covenant and salvation. It has no mention of power and there is no subsequent manifestations and action to do God's work. See also: 2 Corinthians 1:22 and Ephesians 3: 16 - 17. The latter one says the Spirit will be put "in your inner being".Lets look at Acts 8.Water baptism: 12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.Baptism with the Holy Spirit: 14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.These people had already accepted Christ and been water baptized. Notice the laying on of hands as the rite for baptism in the Holy Spirit. See also Acts 10: 44 - 48, 11: 14 - 18. In the Acts 11 reference he speaks of the Spirit coming on them and refers to it as a gift.In one case the Spirit is in you and the other he his upon or on you. One internal and permanent and the other is external and episodic.If you examine the Greek you will see that the inward work of the Holy Spirit uses the word, Pletho or Pimplemi to refer to the exteranl work of the Holy Spirit (baptism in the Holy Spirit). This is the same word used when Jesus was offered a drink of wine vinegar on sponge. It suggests aborbing and temporary (Matthew 27: 48). The same word is used in Luke 4: 28 - 29 when it refers to them becoming "filled with rage". This is a temporary condition.You can see the same thing in Luke 5: 7 when the boat is filled with fish. Other examples are: Luke 1: 41 - 42, Luke 1: 67, Acts 2: 4.In contrast a different Greek word is used consistently to to describe the indwelling of the Holy Spirit for salvation is: Pleroo and Pleres which mean permeated or saturated. See Luke 2: 40: And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom and the grace of God was upon him. This is a permanent feature. Wisdom does not come and go. See also: Luke 4: 1; Acts 6:3, 5; Acts 11: 24; Acts 13: 52; Ephesians 5: 18.Both justification and sanctification refer to the inward work of the Holy Spirit. See Acts 2: 41 - 4741 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. (inward = salvation)42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. (inward = sanctification)The outward works of the Spirit are for power.43 and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles.Justification and sanctification are for the individual's personal walk.Empowerment is for kingdom building. The Great Commission is found in Acts 1: 8. Notice that the Spirit comes on the believer and that it is referred to as power and it is for spreading the Good News."But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."From the above we can see that the baptism is unique. It is not the same as salvation. Notice that it is linked with the laying on of hands. Notice that there were manifestations. Now here is a list of other manifestations:1 Corinthians 12: 7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.Some such as tongues may be observable, but others such as distinguishing spirits may not be. Further on:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29A re all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts. Notice that we should desire the gifts. See also Acts 2: 38.Luke 11:9 "So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. 11 "Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"The gifts of the Holy Spirit have never expired. Nowhere is a due date given. Rather Jesus says, "If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. All believers have the Holy Spirit in them and working through us the Holy Spirit can accomplish great things to bring glory to Jesus and to enlarge the Kingdom. We are told that all we have to do is to ask and we can have even more. God has a vast storehouse of riches. He works through prayer. When we ask he gives exactly what we need.He wants us to receive willingly. That means that we must make space, by emptying ourselves and being submissive to him. To pray with openness and expectation is good. When we say to God give us some things and not others then we are limiting his action and our own growth. Remember that even Jesus could not do many miracles in his home town because of unbelief.If you do not believe in being blessed in this way, that is okay. Your salvation is not affected. Your experience does not have to mirror anyone else's. Likewise there's does not have to mirror yours.It is good to be skeptical, but we also have to be wise. I would pray lots over this before I made up my mind.Blessings,Dunamite
Can you share Scripture showing God Himself ever "touching" people as a pattern for believers, today? Did the Apostles or Jesus specifically teach this idea, or is it a modern humanly contrived perception?Shelli.
The whole book of Acts is full of people who were baptized in the Holy Spirit with frequent manifestations, the most common and obvious one is speaking in tongues. There are also external manifestations such as wind and tongues of fire (Acts 2).I will start before that though. First this was all promised. In Joel 2;"28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. 29 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days. Paul lists prophecy as a spiritual gift. Dreams and visions are often ways in which the Holy Spirit communicates to us. Notice that it is for all people, even servants and both men and women. This is important because in the OT, the Holy Spirit was only poured out on prophets, kings, and judges. Joel is talking about something entirely different.Is baptism of the Holy Spirit different from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Yes. All believers have the Spirit of God in us from the moment we are justified. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is associated with anointing here: Acts 10: 37 You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.It is spoken of as being different than water baptism which is also mentioned here. It is referred to as an anointing and says it was for power. It was followed by distinct actions and results such as doing good and healing.In Luke 24: 49 Jesus says "I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high." The apostles have probably already been baptized with water because Jesus and they had already been doing this throughout Judea and Samaria. But Acts 1 says this to make it even clearer: 4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit." Note that water baptism is mentioned and baptism with the Holy Spirit.The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the Old Testament. In Ezekiel 36: 27 it says, "And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws." This is not referring to what was referred to in Joel. It is associated with the new covenant and salvation. It has no mention of power and there is no subsequent manifestations and action to do God's work. See also: 2 Corinthians 1:22 and Ephesians 3: 16 - 17. The latter one says the Spirit will be put "in your inner being".Lets look at Acts 8.Water baptism: 12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.Baptism with the Holy Spirit: 14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.These people had already accepted Christ and been water baptized. Notice the laying on of hands as the rite for baptism in the Holy Spirit. See also Acts 10: 44 - 48, 11: 14 - 18. In the Acts 11 reference he speaks of the Spirit coming on them and refers to it as a gift.In one case the Spirit is in you and the other he his upon or on you. One internal and permanent and the other is external and episodic.If you examine the Greek you will see that the inward work of the Holy Spirit uses the word, Pletho or Pimplemi to refer to the exteranl work of the Holy Spirit (baptism in the Holy Spirit). This is the same word used when Jesus was offered a drink of wine vinegar on sponge. It suggests aborbing and temporary (Matthew 27: 48). The same word is used in Luke 4: 28 - 29 when it refers to them becoming "filled with rage". This is a temporary condition.You can see the same thing in Luke 5: 7 when the boat is filled with fish. Other examples are: Luke 1: 41 - 42, Luke 1: 67, Acts 2: 4.In contrast a different Greek word is used consistently to to describe the indwelling of the Holy Spirit for salvation is: Pleroo and Pleres which mean permeated or saturated. See Luke 2: 40: And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom and the grace of God was upon him. This is a permanent feature. Wisdom does not come and go. See also: Luke 4: 1; Acts 6:3, 5; Acts 11: 24; Acts 13: 52; Ephesians 5: 18.Both justification and sanctification refer to the inward work of the Holy Spirit. See Acts 2: 41 - 4741 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. (inward = salvation)42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. (inward = sanctification)The outward works of the Spirit are for power.43 and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles.Justification and sanctification are for the individual's personal walk.Empowerment is for kingdom building. The Great Commission is found in Acts 1: 8. Notice that the Spirit comes on the believer and that it is referred to as power and it is for spreading the Good News."But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."From the above we can see that the baptism is unique. It is not the same as salvation. Notice that it is linked with the laying on of hands. Notice that there were manifestations. Now here is a list of other manifestations:1 Corinthians 12: 7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.Some such as tongues may be observable, but others such as distinguishing spirits may not be. Further on:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29A re all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts. Notice that we should desire the gifts. See also Acts 2: 38.Luke 11:9 "So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. 11 "Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"The gifts of the Holy Spirit have never expired. Nowhere is a due date given. Rather Jesus says, "If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. All believers have the Holy Spirit in them and working through us the Holy Spirit can accomplish great things to bring glory to Jesus and to enlarge the Kingdom. We are told that all we have to do is to ask and we can have even more. God has a vast storehouse of riches. He works through prayer. When we ask he gives exactly what we need.He wants us to receive willingly. That means that we must make space, by emptying ourselves and being submissive to him. To pray with openness and expectation is good. When we say to God give us some things and not others then we are limiting his action and our own growth. Remember that even Jesus could not do many miracles in his home town because of unbelief.If you do not believe in being blessed in this way, that is okay. Your salvation is not affected. Your experience does not have to mirror anyone else's. Likewise there's does not have to mirror yours.It is good to be skeptical, but we also have to be wise. I would pray lots over this before I made up my mind.Blessings,Dunamite
(Jon-Marc;23742)
You seem to want to take this idea of "touching" too literally. I have been "touched" by other people many times, although they never once touched me physically. They had a very emotional and/or spiritual impact on meOne person who really "touched" me was a 12-year-old boy in England that I never actually met and only knew on a Christian Web site. He was 11 when he came to us in the forums and turned 12 while he was there. He was only with us 8 months and everyone who "knew" him fell in love with him (and I don't mean in an improper way). He was highly intelligent and had no problem conversing with us on an equal level. He quickly gained our love and respect. He had a great sense of humor and could give as well as he got with the jokes and kidding.On the first of this month he went home to be with the Lord. It tore us all up inside. I had a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes as I wrote a reply, and as I read all the other replies expressing sympathy to the family, and the love we all had for the boy. He had been very ill on and off and had gone into a coma and died.He "touched" many hearts and lives during his short life. Touching is not always physical. How is it possible to love someone you've never met? I don't know, but it is. It was like I had lost a son. Of course, I've never actually seen Jesus (and no, He has never physically touched me), but I love Him because He first loved me. He has "touched" me in other ways--starting with saving my miserable sinful soul from an eternity separated from Him.
So, this "touching" idea of yours is nothing more than a process which happens in your imagination, and is not shown happening in Scripture. Thank you for verifying the original statement of this thread about God never "touching" people, and that such "touching" by either God or other people is just a humanly contrived psychological idea.(Actually, "touching" in the sense you tried to wonderfully describe is called "environmental influence." It does not take very much explanation to get people to understand how that happens ... )Shelli.
You seem to want to take this idea of "touching" too literally. I have been "touched" by other people many times, although they never once touched me physically. They had a very emotional and/or spiritual impact on meOne person who really "touched" me was a 12-year-old boy in England that I never actually met and only knew on a Christian Web site. He was 11 when he came to us in the forums and turned 12 while he was there. He was only with us 8 months and everyone who "knew" him fell in love with him (and I don't mean in an improper way). He was highly intelligent and had no problem conversing with us on an equal level. He quickly gained our love and respect. He had a great sense of humor and could give as well as he got with the jokes and kidding.On the first of this month he went home to be with the Lord. It tore us all up inside. I had a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes as I wrote a reply, and as I read all the other replies expressing sympathy to the family, and the love we all had for the boy. He had been very ill on and off and had gone into a coma and died.He "touched" many hearts and lives during his short life. Touching is not always physical. How is it possible to love someone you've never met? I don't know, but it is. It was like I had lost a son. Of course, I've never actually seen Jesus (and no, He has never physically touched me), but I love Him because He first loved me. He has "touched" me in other ways--starting with saving my miserable sinful soul from an eternity separated from Him.
So, this "touching" idea of yours is nothing more than a process which happens in your imagination, and is not shown happening in Scripture. Thank you for verifying the original statement of this thread about God never "touching" people, and that such "touching" by either God or other people is just a humanly contrived psychological idea.(Actually, "touching" in the sense you tried to wonderfully describe is called "environmental influence." It does not take very much explanation to get people to understand how that happens ... )Shelli.
(Pariah;23749)
Hi All,To this reference about God being in a box, that was used by Pentecostal and Charismatics to justify and raionalize that the Holy Spirit can be in the worship place and not just inside of you.But Jesus said that is the only way you will know the Holy Spirit is by Him being in you, not out there in the world.John 14: 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me....15If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Every believer that seek a sign are becoming an adulterous generation. Signs are for unbelievers. Therefore those that seek after a sign like speaking in tongues which is the evidence of this "other" baptism of the Holy Spirit have departed from faith and resorted to the rudiment of the world. They blur the line of discernment by placing the Holy Spirit in the worship place and thus how can one test the spirits if he that is in you is greater that he that is in the world if the he that is in you is also in the world? He cannot, otherwise believers would be committing the unpardonable sin all the time in testing the spirits, and thus those that look for the Holy Spirit in its comings and goings, hold the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit verse against all those if you call those spirits out in the worship place, coming and going.. falling and causing chaos in the worship place.. not the Holy Spirit. Covenient for them and yet they just obliterated the scriptures for anyone to test the spirits.The only way you can know the Holy Spirit is that He is in you. You cannot get any closer to Him by the Holy Spirit being in the worship place where seducing spirits dwell to lure devotion away from Jesus and from the reading of His words to learn of Jesus.So yes... God is in a box.. the Holy Spirit is in you. 1 Corinthians 3: 16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? That is also the faith.2 Corinthians 13: 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?May the Lord keep you going, Shelli!! The scriptures is the only way to reprove in keeping the faith, but even then.. the Lord has to cause the increase.1 Corinthians 3: 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Why did Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and The Apostles all perform massively significant signs if signs are not a good idea?Does your "Pentecostal" church do the same kind of signs the true Apostles did, or do they just talk about it?If "signs are for unbelievers," as you said, why did the Holy Spirit present signs for the 120 in Acts 2:1-13, and for Peter in Acts 11? Before you embarrass yourself any further, you might want to get your facts from Scripture straight. Before you do that, you might want to place on hold any of your "explanations."Your use of the word "May" to supposedly cause something to happen in me is of no effect, just in case you did not know. Arrogant and presumptuous believers like to use the "May!!" word to sound as if they are doing or promoting something spiritual. Shelli.
Hi All,To this reference about God being in a box, that was used by Pentecostal and Charismatics to justify and raionalize that the Holy Spirit can be in the worship place and not just inside of you.But Jesus said that is the only way you will know the Holy Spirit is by Him being in you, not out there in the world.John 14: 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me....15If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Every believer that seek a sign are becoming an adulterous generation. Signs are for unbelievers. Therefore those that seek after a sign like speaking in tongues which is the evidence of this "other" baptism of the Holy Spirit have departed from faith and resorted to the rudiment of the world. They blur the line of discernment by placing the Holy Spirit in the worship place and thus how can one test the spirits if he that is in you is greater that he that is in the world if the he that is in you is also in the world? He cannot, otherwise believers would be committing the unpardonable sin all the time in testing the spirits, and thus those that look for the Holy Spirit in its comings and goings, hold the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit verse against all those if you call those spirits out in the worship place, coming and going.. falling and causing chaos in the worship place.. not the Holy Spirit. Covenient for them and yet they just obliterated the scriptures for anyone to test the spirits.The only way you can know the Holy Spirit is that He is in you. You cannot get any closer to Him by the Holy Spirit being in the worship place where seducing spirits dwell to lure devotion away from Jesus and from the reading of His words to learn of Jesus.So yes... God is in a box.. the Holy Spirit is in you. 1 Corinthians 3: 16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? That is also the faith.2 Corinthians 13: 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?May the Lord keep you going, Shelli!! The scriptures is the only way to reprove in keeping the faith, but even then.. the Lord has to cause the increase.1 Corinthians 3: 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Why did Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and The Apostles all perform massively significant signs if signs are not a good idea?Does your "Pentecostal" church do the same kind of signs the true Apostles did, or do they just talk about it?If "signs are for unbelievers," as you said, why did the Holy Spirit present signs for the 120 in Acts 2:1-13, and for Peter in Acts 11? Before you embarrass yourself any further, you might want to get your facts from Scripture straight. Before you do that, you might want to place on hold any of your "explanations."Your use of the word "May" to supposedly cause something to happen in me is of no effect, just in case you did not know. Arrogant and presumptuous believers like to use the "May!!" word to sound as if they are doing or promoting something spiritual. Shelli.
(Shelli;23771)
Why did Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and The Apostles all perform massively significant signs if signs are not a good idea?Your use of the word "May" to supposedly cause something to happen in me is of no effect, just in case you did not know. Arrogant and presumptuous believers like to use the "May!!" word to sound as if they are doing or promoting something spiritual. Shelli.
Watch out for that bee in your bonnet! Did you get out of bed on the wrong side this morning? Get off that high horse you rode in on, etc., etc., etc.:naughty:What in the world is wrong with you???
Why did Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and The Apostles all perform massively significant signs if signs are not a good idea?Your use of the word "May" to supposedly cause something to happen in me is of no effect, just in case you did not know. Arrogant and presumptuous believers like to use the "May!!" word to sound as if they are doing or promoting something spiritual. Shelli.
Watch out for that bee in your bonnet! Did you get out of bed on the wrong side this morning? Get off that high horse you rode in on, etc., etc., etc.:naughty:What in the world is wrong with you???
Jon-Marc
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Dunamite,If you can only see the word "touch" as meaning an actual physical touch, then no, God doesn't touch anyone any more--if He ever did. However, Jesus is God, and He physically touched a lot of people for healing.A touch can be emotional or spiritual as well as physical. The word "touch" isn't reserved only for a physical touch.
(jkeithbrock;23762)
I agree with you Jon. It is all through the Bible that Jesus was God in the flesh, so according to scripture God touched many many people
Jesus has never "touched" you, because He resides in Heaven.
I agree with you Jon. It is all through the Bible that Jesus was God in the flesh, so according to scripture God touched many many people
Jesus has never "touched" you, because He resides in Heaven.
