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Shelli

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Today's popularized church has become largely feminized in its mode of thinking, in its speech, in its appearance, in its conduct, and in its lack of power. A starting place for investigating this issue might be to review either David Morrow's, "Why Men Hate Going to Church," or Leon Podles', "The Church Impotent: The Feminization of Christianity." There are other recently published works available on this topic.The following list gives easily observable features of today's feminized church:1. Talk is either equated with action, or supplants action. Just listen to the undemonstrated talk in any 30-50 minute sermon by just about any preacher in any church. Women compulsively talk. Real men compulsively observe and think. James 1:19 says, "Let every man be swift to hear, and slow to speak." This does not describe 30-50 minutes of preaching. I Corinthians 4:20 and James 1:26 are clear about this.2. Talk is excessive, and explanations are typically overdone by preachers. Proverbs 10:19 says, "In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin; but he that refraineth his lips is wise. Jesus never is recorded to have spoken for more then a few minutes on any one topic. He was concise, direct, clear, and very germane.3. Feelings and intuitive inclinations are promoted by preachers to be used to assess issues and to make decisions. Frequently, preachers say, "The facts of Scripture must travel the 16 inches from your heads to your hearts!!" But that is sheer nonsense, not said in Scripture, and requires intuitive "understanding" to agree with. Scripture, rather, wants us to be alert, clear minded, and cognitively purposeful. Preachers conduct emotion laden sales pitches using many rhetoric devices to get listeners to agree with their words. Preachers do not require or enable listeners to make personal assessments and decisions as a process of discovery on their own. Their preaching most often is just a long sales pitch, called a "message."4. Feelings and intuitive appeal is used to "attract" people into church. Jesus and the Apostles had immense and material demonstrations of true spiritual Power in God. Yet, preachers today use what is "New!!", or is "Exciting!!", or is "Special!!" to supposedly lure people to God. Jesus and His Apostles did not attract people using their appetites and desires, but used the sheer Power of the Gospel to convict people of their need for God's forgiveness and regeneration.5. Churches give the message, "You can be one of us!!", or "You can have a better life with abundance!!", or "You can be freed from your pain!!" But this is not the reason Scripture gives for being born again. Jesus and the Apostles preached the Gospel to keep people from perishing in sin and Hell.6. The church has redefined how the human heart operates, going from the Scriptural demonstration of the human heart being the core of fallen nature in a person to today's "heart" being the seat of mere feelings, affections, desires, and will. The church talks a lot about how people can supposedly at will change their hearts by being in group discussions, listening to sermons, hanging around with other believers, avoiding the World, agreeing with nice ideas from the Bible, and speaking churchy sounding talk.7. "Christian" music is not conducted or used in church as it was demonstrated in Scripture. Rather, it is now used to entertain, lull people into hypnotic compliance in church services, get them emotionally revved up before the sermon, to "inspire our hearts" (not shown in Scripture for music), to fuel the imagination, to speak some very questionable theology which just sounds good, to provide a career for musicians, to attract the gullible and undiscerning, to focus worship efforts, and to validate any sort of church event.8. Self serving and intuitive "explanations" are tossed out to audiences during sermons as "The Word of God!!", wherein a mixture of the preacher's personal opinions, ideas, hopes, desires, and feelings are mixed in with some Scripture. There is no manly discipline of reliably seperating the facts of written Scripture from personal emotions. Sermons typically end with some sort of personal or emotional appeal to the listeners.9. Verbal softeners and understatement lace today's preaching. "The way things are said" is deemed far more important than the substance of what is said. "Body language" and voice modulation are called "90% of communication," even though Scripture, being the supreme mode of communication, has no such "body language" or voice modulation in it. Preachers usually say, "I just want to talk a little bit about some things regarding ... ", as if they are afraid to make direct statements from Scripture. Jesus and His Apostles were affrontive, direct, spoke the axiomatic truth from Scripture, and did not babble with "lite" ideas. They did not try to be "nice to everyone."10. The specific aspects of today's active service to God and His kingdom by the church are always carefully considered for the "safety" issues and what "seems like a good idea for us to do." Wholesale committment to God's principles apart from the calculation of pragmatic benefits to believers is missing. Material risk and danger, features of true manhood, are typically avoided, except for those overcommitted "missionaries."11. The use of wives' feelings and intuitive senses as checkpoints for male leadership is Unscriptural. The Apostles never "Checked with the wife" before making decisions or before acting. A woman's sipposed "inner sense," or "special insight," or "lack of peace" about something the husband would do, or other men would do in the church, is pure nonsense. 12. There has occurred a marked predominance of "nurturing" behavior as a means of supposedly attaining spiritual maturity, rather than using personal accountability as shown in Scripture. This is a feminine mindset. Jesus never "nurtured" anyone, but always challenged His men and commanded them to be and do Godliness.13. Scriptural imperatives are selectively "considered" under the "guidance" of preachers via their sales pitches. Obedience to Scripture becomes an advertising and sales event, just like women shopping at the mall, "picking and choosing" what they think is "best" for them.14. The feminization of Jesus Himself is accepted to be "how He was in the Bible." However, Jesus was rude, harsh, demanding, imposing, socially disruptive, uncontrolled by social customs, not white skinned like the pictures of Him, did not have nicely washed hair and our kind of hygiene, and did not rock baby sheep in His arms.15. Overreacting to trivia is rife in church ideology and material decisions. The decor of interiors, the architecture of the buildings, the false "ministries," the conduct of highly esthetic weddings, the exclusion of tobbacco on the outside premises, getting specially dressed for events, the elaborate holiday programs, and and being afraid to appear "strange" occupies a lot of time and energy. Overreacting to minor verbal opposition in the public media by calling it "persecution" is weak. "Ministering to peoples' felt needs" is not Scriptural. It is God who is the diagnostician for true human needs, and He does not spend a lot of attention to feelings. He is interested in material needs, and material deeds. Matthew 5:16 states this.The feminized church minces on, each Sunday.Shelli.
 

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There is no manly discipline of reliably seperating the facts of written Scripture from personal emotions.
I'm a man, and I find that statement totally wrong.BS in fact.What a narrow understanding of what a man is.
 

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I'm a man, and I find that statement totally wrong.BS in fact.What a narrow understanding of what a man is.
Do you think it a manly trait to be able to seperate the facts of Scripture from your emotions?
 

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shelliI think you have something here! let the debate beginCrooner
I would love to discuss and debate the issues I have posted above, but I am sure nobody can do anything but start talking about me, and how they think I am wrong to say these things.It is a feminine trait, also done by feminized men, to change an issue based topic into a personal exchange. Even supposedly "articulate and educated" men, as the "Tetragrammaton" guy, do that.Women and feminized men evade responsive accountability and avoid direct answers to direct questions. Real men do not.Shelli.
 
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1st Corinthians 14:34-3534. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.35. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.Women shouldn't take the pulpit, women should be silent in church and be subjective(in a non-abusive way), women should know that they are not equal to men in terms of this stature. I'm not being a sexist, I'm just speaking about reality brothers and sisters. Was Christ Disciples 12 women or 12 men? Then people make a case for Mary Magdalene, but even she kept her silence. 12 Tribes of Israel, or twelve Tribes of Rebekkah? The Queen of Princesses or the King of Kings?
 

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1st Corinthians 14:34-3534. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.35. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.Women shouldn't take the pulpit, women should be silent in church and be subjective(in a non-abusive way), women should know that they are not equal to men in terms of this stature. I'm not being a sexist, I'm just speaking about reality brothers and sisters. Was Christ Disciples 12 women or 12 men? Then people make a case for Mary Magdalene, but even she kept her silence. 12 Tribes of Israel, or twelve Tribes of Rebekkah? The Queen of Princesses or the King of Kings?
There are shown in Scripture no true female leaders. There are only female managers and helpmates.Shelli.
 
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Amen! Women Like Joyce Meyer and Paula are an abomination to the Lord. The Cut their Glory, their Hair, symbolic of Submission to the Man, which is Christ, not to say the Man of the relationship is Christ, but spiritually speaking. They are not silent in Sanctuary, I just provided the Scripture, they wear Make-up, one women comes to Mind when it comes to make-up. And we all know who she is, Ms. Dog meat aka Jezebel. I have more of an apostolic view of Clothes, I know in American Culture, our culture Trousers are for men, skirts are for women. You know the dress code of Deuteronomy, Let the men wear the PANTS and the women the Skirts. But also take account of cultural differences, like th sanfu in China and the dress code there. Women don't lead Period, Men do. They can speak tongues, heal, prophesy, spread the word. But The Holy Spirit does the leading and the works behind it. Amen? Amen!
 

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7. "Christian" music is not conducted or used in church as it was demonstrated in Scripture. Rather, it is now used to entertain, lull people into hypnotic compliance in church services, get them emotionally revved up before the sermon, to "inspire our hearts" (not shown in Scripture for music), to fuel the imagination, to speak some very questionable theology which just sounds good, to provide a career for musicians, to attract the gullible and undiscerning, to focus worship efforts, and to validate any sort of church event.
"I will incline my ear to a proverb; I will solve my riddle to the music of the lyre." (Psalm 49:4)
9. Verbal softeners and understatement lace today's preaching. "The way things are said" is deemed far more important than the substance of what is said. "Body language" and voice modulation are called "90% of communication," even though Scripture, being the supreme mode of communication, has no such "body language" or voice modulation in it. Preachers usually say, "I just want to talk a little bit about some things regarding ... ", as if they are afraid to make direct statements from Scripture. Jesus and His Apostles were affrontive, direct, spoke the axiomatic truth from Scripture, and did not babble with "lite" ideas. They did not try to be "nice to everyone."
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." (Matthew 5:9)
13. Scriptural imperatives are selectively "considered" under the "guidance" of preachers via their sales pitches. Obedience to Scripture becomes an advertising and sales event, just like women shopping at the mall, "picking and choosing" what they think is "best" for them.
Jesus courting the Church."Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done."(Revelation 22:12)
14. The feminization of Jesus Himself is accepted to be "how He was in the Bible." However, Jesus was rude, harsh, demanding, imposing, socially disruptive, uncontrolled by social customs, not white skinned like the pictures of Him, did not have nicely washed hair and our kind of hygiene, and did not rock baby sheep in His arms.
"I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. (Luke 12:49-51)"I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see. (Revelation 3:18)
 

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I have no problems with women not lauding it over men.In fact I get sick of it constantly.What I object to in the original post is the 'unbiblical' and 'unscientific' stereotype of what a man is.I have known some of the most powerful (physically) and most burliest of men, to have the deepest of feelings and souls. These are strong manly men, warriors.Only other men know of the depth of their feelings, because women like to paint us in stereotypes.This one dimensions action hero man doesn't exist.Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.Matthew 15:7-9Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. I think Jesus thought the feelings of men very important. So while you mock men, with little understanding of what a man's heart is like, consider what Jesus said.
 

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There are shown in Scripture no true female leaders. There are only female managers and helpmates.Shelli.
God has a purpose for women in the end times:Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:29.And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My spirit.A woman was one of the Judges for Israel (a true female leader). She not only led at home but on the battlefield. The men wouldn't go and fight unless she did.....and she did! Not only did Deborah lead but another woman, Jael, dealt the final blow that ended it. Judges 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.9.And she said, "I will surely go with thee notwithstanding the journey that thou takes shall not be for thine honour; for the Lord shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.21.Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.A young girl was brave enough to follow her baby brother and even speak to royalty in order to save his life....where was his older brother Aaron?Exodus 2:4 (Moses laid in an ark of bulrushes) and his sister stood afar off, to with what would be done to him.7.Then said his sister to Pharoah's daughter, "Shall I go and call to thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee?" A woman saved her family because she aided Joshua's men in the destruction of Jericho.Joshua 2:4 (Rehab the harlot) And the woman took the two men, and hid them, and said thus, "There came men unto me, but I wist not whence they were:6.But she had brought them up to the roof of the house, and hid them with the stalks of flax, which she had laid in order upon the roof.14.And the men answered her, "Our life for yours, if ye utter not this our business And it shall be, when the Lord hath given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with thee."15.Then she let them down by a cord through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall.Then of course there is the story of Tamar and what she had to do in order to carry on the line to Christ. But, above all the brave women....there was 15 year old Mary, the mother of Christ. She accepted what the angel said and risking being stoned for being pregnant and unmarried....gave birth to our Saviour.So....just being a "helpmate and manager" isn't a correct statement. Both women and men have roles to play in this life. Both are necessary to God's plan........Whirlwind