Am asking this because Jesus Christ cast out many demons out of people during his time on earth. just curious. Additionally, how do demons enter into a person that does not have a demon before?
Are people born with demons?
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In answer to your question, yes, some people can be and are born with devils.
I have not been to Nigeria, but I have sojourned around the world. I often wish that folks in first-world countries had the unfettered faith that those of less industrialized countries have. We try to intellectualize everything, while those with less, deal spiritual with spiritual and "see" much better.
The answer you seek will not be attempted by many. The church here, evangelical Christianity, is asleep on this issue. Most folks have been conditioned by the god of this world to reject anything to do with the satanic realm, believing the lie that they would be giving glory to Satan. Such rubbish! We are not to be ignorant of Satan;s devices.
Demons, or more properly, devils, operate in dishonour. And the Bible is clear that the sins of the fathers are visited down to the children (3 and 4 generations) of them that hate the Lord. This is why, for instance, those in control of the world dynamic for a season (i.e. the "rich men of the earth," the merchants, the Jewists, the bankers) are all bloodlined. They marry not for love but for genetics. That is, they want to follow a certain genetic profile that they believe is superior to all others. Thus, they are the original bigots and racists. They are multigenerational bloodlined satanic families; they are all kin. So those bloodlined families WANT those generational spirits in their bloodline. That is why, for example, if your father is a drunkard, then you are 20 times more likely to become a drunkard yourself. Well, of course! That spirit of drunkenness, allowed access by the one in authority over you (e.g. your father), moves right on down the family line. The firstborn usually (but not always) has it the toughest. If Satan can get the firstborn, then the rest of the members of the family are duck soup for him.
So, those bloodlined families WANT certain foul spirits because they are promised wealth and dominion and power by them. This is where it may get a little frightening. We should not be surprised to find that there are bloodlined women "breeders" whose sole purpose is to bear a bloodlined child consecrated to Satan's service (which may include its sacrifice). The woman will get pregnant during the course of a satanic ritual, and the traumatizing (to encourage disassociation) of the (as yet unborn) child begins soon after. Devils who are given a right to rule are "ritualistically inserted" into the baby in the womb.
When I came to Christ, I had several devils operant in my life. Those spirits manifested in the presence of the Light. Satan hates losing ground he has held previously. Immediately after receiving an anointing from an angel of the Lord, one devil attempted to re-enter my body via my legs. I prayed it away, thank you, Jesus!
Speaking of dishonour, the Lord's kingdom is a kingdom of order. Devils cannot operate any way they wish. While Satan is before the Father day and night accusing the brethren, if the person is doing the will of the Father and not his own, then those accusations cannot stick i.e. they are false accusations. But if the person steps out in self-will, then the accusations can stick.
Hypothetical conversation:
Satan: God, did you see what John just did?
God: Yes, I did.
Satan: Well, what John did was not Godly, was it?
God; No, it wasn't.
Satan: Then I have a right to sic one of my boys (devils) on him, don't I?
God; Yes, you do.
And so, you get one or more devils assigned to you, to your life, to your person...
One brother of mine, with a likewise prophetic calling, was allowed to "see" a devil entering a person. The person was involved in a dishonourable activity; while one devil was encouraging him onward, another devil entered him through his mouth.
People get strange ideas, mostly from the world (e.g. movies, "celebrities," etc.), such as, "A devil cannot enter a born again believer." This is incorrect. The Bible says a double minded (i.e. two-spirited) man is unstable in all his ways. Paul had a messenger of Satan i.e. a devil buffetting him. One's physical skin layer is no magical protection against harrassment or indweling of a devil. Rather, it's a matter of degree. And oppression or indwelling is not the same as possession.
I hope this has given you some food for thought. Always remember that greater is he who is in you, than he who is in the world.
I have not been to Nigeria, but I have sojourned around the world. I often wish that folks in first-world countries had the unfettered faith that those of less industrialized countries have. We try to intellectualize everything, while those with less, deal spiritual with spiritual and "see" much better.
The answer you seek will not be attempted by many. The church here, evangelical Christianity, is asleep on this issue. Most folks have been conditioned by the god of this world to reject anything to do with the satanic realm, believing the lie that they would be giving glory to Satan. Such rubbish! We are not to be ignorant of Satan;s devices.
Demons, or more properly, devils, operate in dishonour. And the Bible is clear that the sins of the fathers are visited down to the children (3 and 4 generations) of them that hate the Lord. This is why, for instance, those in control of the world dynamic for a season (i.e. the "rich men of the earth," the merchants, the Jewists, the bankers) are all bloodlined. They marry not for love but for genetics. That is, they want to follow a certain genetic profile that they believe is superior to all others. Thus, they are the original bigots and racists. They are multigenerational bloodlined satanic families; they are all kin. So those bloodlined families WANT those generational spirits in their bloodline. That is why, for example, if your father is a drunkard, then you are 20 times more likely to become a drunkard yourself. Well, of course! That spirit of drunkenness, allowed access by the one in authority over you (e.g. your father), moves right on down the family line. The firstborn usually (but not always) has it the toughest. If Satan can get the firstborn, then the rest of the members of the family are duck soup for him.
So, those bloodlined families WANT certain foul spirits because they are promised wealth and dominion and power by them. This is where it may get a little frightening. We should not be surprised to find that there are bloodlined women "breeders" whose sole purpose is to bear a bloodlined child consecrated to Satan's service (which may include its sacrifice). The woman will get pregnant during the course of a satanic ritual, and the traumatizing (to encourage disassociation) of the (as yet unborn) child begins soon after. Devils who are given a right to rule are "ritualistically inserted" into the baby in the womb.
When I came to Christ, I had several devils operant in my life. Those spirits manifested in the presence of the Light. Satan hates losing ground he has held previously. Immediately after receiving an anointing from an angel of the Lord, one devil attempted to re-enter my body via my legs. I prayed it away, thank you, Jesus!
Speaking of dishonour, the Lord's kingdom is a kingdom of order. Devils cannot operate any way they wish. While Satan is before the Father day and night accusing the brethren, if the person is doing the will of the Father and not his own, then those accusations cannot stick i.e. they are false accusations. But if the person steps out in self-will, then the accusations can stick.
Hypothetical conversation:
Satan: God, did you see what John just did?
God: Yes, I did.
Satan: Well, what John did was not Godly, was it?
God; No, it wasn't.
Satan: Then I have a right to sic one of my boys (devils) on him, don't I?
God; Yes, you do.
And so, you get one or more devils assigned to you, to your life, to your person...
One brother of mine, with a likewise prophetic calling, was allowed to "see" a devil entering a person. The person was involved in a dishonourable activity; while one devil was encouraging him onward, another devil entered him through his mouth.
People get strange ideas, mostly from the world (e.g. movies, "celebrities," etc.), such as, "A devil cannot enter a born again believer." This is incorrect. The Bible says a double minded (i.e. two-spirited) man is unstable in all his ways. Paul had a messenger of Satan i.e. a devil buffetting him. One's physical skin layer is no magical protection against harrassment or indweling of a devil. Rather, it's a matter of degree. And oppression or indwelling is not the same as possession.
I hope this has given you some food for thought. Always remember that greater is he who is in you, than he who is in the world.
Some people can be born with family/ancestral traits which can sometimes manifest as a physical or psychological anomaly. In general terms, a person can have a familiar spirit through generational curses or hereditary ties due to parental or ancestral links if that member has had past involvement with the occult.
It depends on that person's situation. A demon can enter through many doorways if left unchecked. An example can be if a person has unforgiveness for a parent, family or friend etc. It can develop over time into bitterness and hatred. This this where the enemy can get the upper hand. Unforgiveness is one of the key components of demonic entry.
Hi Jude and sojourner4Christsojourner4Christ said:
The above text was actually aimed at one nation and one people, and was Gods response to idolatry
Exodus 20:5 (ESV)
[SIZE=11pt]5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me[/SIZE]
Referring to only ungodly idolatrous fathers and their rebellious children of Israel in Old Testament Law.
We see in the following books (like Judges) this punishment being dealt out, but the cure for this curse was always repentance, and God was quick to save a repentant nation as we see in (Judges 3:9, 15; 1 Samuel 12:10-11).
Its not biblical after that, that sin gets past down from generations.
Because if you go to the very next verse of Exodus 20:6 we read;
Exodus 20:6
but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
The only curse today is the usual curse of everyday sin by the fall of man, God does not meet out to our children according to our rebellious idolatrous nature or the nature of our fathers. If a child becomes a drunkard because his father is a drunkard is simply because he does what he see's his daddy doing. there is actually a lot of people out there now doing terrible things and struggling with addictions etc that have never been in their families before, the so called "black sheep" of the family.
This is true, this is not spiritual this is the effect of an imperfect body, I am a asthmatic and so is a couple of my relatives. Its a burden of course but by no means a curse.Angelina said:
Yes this is a very different kind of curse placed upon a bloodline by a family member or members and can sometimes effect generations after, its especially true of tribal family's in practices and worship of demonic deity's and can be even stronger if the blood of the innocent was taken in these rituals.
These kinds of demons need to be dealt with by Godly people experienced in the occult. Its a gift of the Holy Spirit to be able to drive out demons.
We have a way out
2 Corinthians 5:17 (ESV)
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
It is true that demons can be given rights to a Christian’s well being provided the Christian is displaying continuous un-repentant behavior regardless of warnings and interventions. Demons are only given the right in order that it may bring that Christian back to God, and in all likeliness that spirit would be indicative of the sin this person is cultivating.sojourner4Christ said:
A tortured soul in the depths of sin and despair when sin is full grown will hit rock bottom and eventually cry out to God (James 1:15) realizing that the only thing left for them now is a miserable sickness or even death, thus returning to God.
I might also add that this does not mean that this person has lost his salvation, more an intervention from God, which is not something any of us want, but it does happen (Heb 12:6) As God works all things out for the good (Rom 8:28)
However we must remember that a Christian cannot be possessed by a demon, once the Spirit of Christ occupies a man, that man cannot also harbor an evil spirit.
Matthew 12:29
"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.
See also (Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19)
In this case the strong man is the Spirit of God, whom nobody can tie up.
1 John 1:5
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
Demons can attack Christians, we can even let an evil spirit in when being tempted. but we can not be possessed.
There is a difference between being Demon possessed where one looses all control of themselves ([SIZE=11pt](Matthew 17:14-18; Luke 4:33-35; 8:27-33).[/SIZE]
and being demon "oppressed" or "influenced" which most Christians suffer.
Because we are indwelt by the Spirit of God we can not be possessed so we find no instance in the bible that instructs believers on how to expel demons from other Christians, this is because it simply doesn't happen instead the Bible tells us a great deal on how we must guard against influence and oppression [SIZE=11pt](Ephesians 6:10-18. James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:8-9)[/SIZE]
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This topic definitely has become taboo. A lot of this is written off as superstition or mental illness because that's what the enlightened do. I'm not here to suggest ever mental issue is a demon either, but I do think that we are more afflicted by demons as a collective society much more than we would ever admit.
I am not certain that anyone is born with a demon. The Bible does mention a child afflicted with an epilepsy-like condition brought on by a demon in Luke 9:37-43. From this, we can infer that demons can and do affect children. It's not clear as to the exact age of this child, but all versions would at least suggest an adolescent child or younger.
As to demons entering into a person - well they enter in because God is not there. In Luke 11:24-26, there is a little bit of light on this:
When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and finding none it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house swept and put in order. Then it goes and brings seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there. And the last state of that person is worse than the first.”
I think the key word is house. The spirit has a place that it can operate from.
With that said, there are some wise words here about curses. This is another term viewed as outdated or ignorant. If you've lived life any amount of time, however, you'll notice that the sins of the father tend to make their way to the son (as is the same with the ladies). It's the reason we have the old saying about the apple not falling too far from the tree. I do very much believe in the validity of generational and family curses that subject people to varying influences.
I am not certain that anyone is born with a demon. The Bible does mention a child afflicted with an epilepsy-like condition brought on by a demon in Luke 9:37-43. From this, we can infer that demons can and do affect children. It's not clear as to the exact age of this child, but all versions would at least suggest an adolescent child or younger.
As to demons entering into a person - well they enter in because God is not there. In Luke 11:24-26, there is a little bit of light on this:
When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and finding none it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house swept and put in order. Then it goes and brings seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there. And the last state of that person is worse than the first.”
I think the key word is house. The spirit has a place that it can operate from.
With that said, there are some wise words here about curses. This is another term viewed as outdated or ignorant. If you've lived life any amount of time, however, you'll notice that the sins of the father tend to make their way to the son (as is the same with the ladies). It's the reason we have the old saying about the apple not falling too far from the tree. I do very much believe in the validity of generational and family curses that subject people to varying influences.
As I stated, through the father - through the familial line -- is merely ONE way that devils are allowed access. And it is a very common way -- although, today, with the attack and breakup of the family occurring wholesale, we find devils are already “in.” Idolatry covers much more territory than simply golden calves and a drunkard daddy in authority. In regards to the OP's question, then, this is a most common method for devils to gain access to even the unborn.
Devils are in control of powerful principalities, wickedness in high places. And one such area is that of addictions. Addictions are powerful demonic bondage loops in which the enemy tries to keep the person trapped for life.
My wife and I are involved with an addictions ministry. We deal with this stuff frequently.
As I previously stated, oppression is not the same as possession. For unbelievers, the point is moot.
Jesus, like me, is certainly not possessed by a devil; he ‘expelled demons’ from others’ and we are to be like him. In fact, we read how some complained about not being able to do as Jesus had done, because of a lack of faith AND also because they did not ‘pray and fast’ (BTW, beware, as one of our weapons, “fasting,” has been removed from the NIV in that verse, Mat. 17:21). Apparently, one is required to fast to deal effectively with certain devils, while such may not be required in dealing with other devils. I know that is true in many of my dealings with the enemy.
We also read where Jesus rebuked the devil from a born again believer -- Peter! “Jesus said, Get thee behind me, Satan” -- Mark 8:33 and others.
Hi Jude,Jude said:
No, people are NOT born with demons. Those in the NT that were shown to be demon possessed, were full grown mature adults who had, of their own volition, exposed themselves to allowing demons to fill their lives by submitting to demonic activity.
This is not something that can happen to Christians, or infants. I would be careful of anyone that advocates otherwise.
Hi
Rather, the Holy Bible tells us there were many children who were possessed And some vessels were created for destruction.
Perhaps a more serious study of the word is in order?
Yes but the Exodus passage you used has nothing to do with today, in its context and history it refers to the Idolatry rampant in Israel at the time and how God chose to deal with it.sojourner4Christ said:
Maybe you can demonstrate where is it written the idea that demons can gain access through the familial lines, seeings as it is a very common way
The propensity to sin in man is already hereditary, but demon possession and the propensity to commit hereditary sin are two different things
Thank you for pointing that out to me, trust me after years of bouncing in casino night clubs and working in the field of security I have a pretty good idea of what idolatry looks like. (and demon possession to for that matter)sojourner4Christ said:
Still the idolatry spoken about in Exodus and pretty much all of Old Testament law was dealt with as God shaped his people.
Demons do not attach themselves to new borns because they are inherited down a family line, its more that as a child develops its propensity to sin will be played upon by demonic powers and encouraged as well as accusing and convicting completing the pattern until that pattern is broken. (Sin - guilt - sin - guilt - sin)
I would even go as far to say that if one accuses God of allowing demons to move in side family lines to the point that demons are inhabiting new born's simply because of the past sins of previous generations, is to accuse God of procreating sin with in an individual before that individual has the ability to tell right from wrong and therefore removing that individuals ability to augment free will.
This certainly doesn't sound like the God I know, God does not cause anyone to sin (James 1:13)
The God I know uses mans willful sin against itself to do his will.
I absolutely agree, I have suffered addiction all my life and as is true about addiction you are never really free of it, it just takes that one time for us to fall back in to that pattern.sojourner4Christ said:
for me it was alcohol sex and drugs. I know I am hounded by demons when I feel the urge to indulge just one more time. but like you said earlier I pray and cry out to Jesus and it quickly passes.
Awesome bro and may you be blessed in it, AMEN!!sojourner4Christ said:
Its not moot, this is a Christian forum and a very important point to make concerning possession.sojourner4Christ said:
Ok Im hoping that you are speaking in general, because if you read properly what I was saying in my post it in no way infers that Jesus or Christians can be possessed, in fact the point I was making was drastically opposite. from what did I say that gave you that impression? :wacko:sojourner4Christ said:
I said we can not be possessed but we can be in oppression and influenced which is evident by our own experiences and all the biblical teachings telling us how to deal with such things as believers.
Ok, thats not an account of possession and not that it matters too much in this account but Jesus had not yet gone to The Father, so Peter was without the Holy Spirit.sojourner4Christ said:
I do not believe that a person is born demon possessed but can have a familiar spirit/demon oppress them from an early age
and then possession can take place.
A true illustration,
My wife was born into a Hindu family and told me the following story, that when Hindu children are born the parents take the baby and
do a "prayer" ritual over the child's life.
They offer up incense and use banana leaves and such things and throw the banana leaves and incense and offerings either into a
river.
But because she was born on the coast they threw the stuff into the ocean.
I can't remember the name but I think it's called something like the "seven fairies" or something like that.
Basically they marry or join the baby to these so-called "seven fairies" or gods.
And the day that they do this "prayer" is special and MUST BE REMEMBERED and an offering given up to these things every single
year on EXACTLY THE SAME DAY.
Failure to do so causes chaos or calamity to take place in their lives ... and that is a fact !
When my wife became a Christian she stopped doing this prayer and problems erupted in her life.
So she took it to God in prayer and from that day forward to this she has never had any problems again.
The bond between demon and Christian was broken.
God watches over his children but then again if the Christian lives in sin, a demon oppression can take place and if the
Christian rejects Christ then FULL demon possession takes place.
and then possession can take place.
A true illustration,
My wife was born into a Hindu family and told me the following story, that when Hindu children are born the parents take the baby and
do a "prayer" ritual over the child's life.
They offer up incense and use banana leaves and such things and throw the banana leaves and incense and offerings either into a
river.
But because she was born on the coast they threw the stuff into the ocean.
I can't remember the name but I think it's called something like the "seven fairies" or something like that.
Basically they marry or join the baby to these so-called "seven fairies" or gods.
And the day that they do this "prayer" is special and MUST BE REMEMBERED and an offering given up to these things every single
year on EXACTLY THE SAME DAY.
Failure to do so causes chaos or calamity to take place in their lives ... and that is a fact !
When my wife became a Christian she stopped doing this prayer and problems erupted in her life.
So she took it to God in prayer and from that day forward to this she has never had any problems again.
The bond between demon and Christian was broken.
God watches over his children but then again if the Christian lives in sin, a demon oppression can take place and if the
Christian rejects Christ then FULL demon possession takes place.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. - 2 Tim. chap. 3
You have the right idea, but are missing the bigger picture. Exactly how do you think that “propensity to sin will be played upon”?
The bigger picture is the understanding that there is a sophisticated application being utilized by satanic higher powers to accomplish what the majority have already been conditioned to dismiss.
A brother of mine has said it better than I. Devils (for familiarity purposes, we’ll call them demons for now) are attracted by the "scent" of people. We are made in the image of God, and we are attractive prey to those who hate God Almighty. Cities are magnets for demons. When demons target a person or people, a common tactic is to make trouble for the person. When a person’s problems reach a crescendo, they will be in a state of mind to grab any solution that is passing by. People then make pacts with demonic forces. They sell their souls hoping for relief from their problems. All this is clear as a bell to the spiritually enlightened, but the demonic forces are able to dull the senses of their victims to the point they no longer have the slightest realization that they have sold their souls. People make a choice to accept the falsehood offered by the demons for their relief, rather than stick with the truth which seems to hurt. The demonic lies may be that colds and flus are caused by evil spirits--when in reality they are caused by viruses and bacteria. Or the opposite type of lie may be given--that demonic forces have no influence over disease, that only viruses and bacteria exist.
In Africa, modern medicine is often viewed as White Man’s magic, because they fight disease with incantations that the demons have taught them to use to cure their problems. Authority to demons is transferred to them by festivals, ceremonies and pilgrimages. Strong demonic manifestations usually occur around festivals, ceremonies, rituals and pilgrimages which are being done everyday around the world. These ceremonies and rituals are welcome mats for demonic forces giving them the right to rule. Every area of the world has them. And often demonic signs and wonders occur at these rituals and ceremonies.
The power of a lie has to be preserved and fuelled by tradition, which is manifested via rituals. Without tradition, the power of the lie would die out. If the tradition is being rejected by a people, the demons often augment it with "new" deceptions. The first lie doesn’t stand a chance. The pre-existing bondage then is strengthened by new deceptions that seem more appropriate.
If you were asked now, "HOW DOES SATAN ENSLAVE PEOPLE?" you should know the answer because it was just given it to you. The answer is Satan’s control is trauma-based. A trauma is applied to the lives of people (OK City, 9/11, all wars, ad nauseum). They reach out for some type of answer to the trauma, and the demons offer some type of answer--so many Hail Mary's, or so many sacrificed cats, or pray to some idol which is a disguised demon. The lies are turned into myths which the people believe. The myths are a blurring of reality that the people on one level may know are false, but their minds can’t break loose of the power of the lie. The power of the myths is fuelled by tradition and demonic manifestations and demonic attacks.
Anyone who steps outside of the demonic lie is attacked. The people feel they are being personally attacked when their traditions are ignored. Because a people has willingly sacrificed the truth for the falsehood in their need for relief from their trauma, they have chosen to be deceived. This choice to be deceived has a great deal of spiritual power to it. They are no longer truth-lovers. It is not enough to come to these people with the truth. They have rejected the truth. They must at some point will to seek the truth again. These people can have all the proof shown to them about the truth, and they will continue to reject it. Their demonic bondage needs to be broken somehow. This bondage can be broken in a number of ways. Pointing out the inadequacies of the lies is sometimes sufficient to break the demonic spell over people. But after the lies are broken, they need to be followed by the truth--and the love of truth.
I will not delve into the minute details of the procedures in which the above described mind control is perpetrated. The point is that there is a type of this programming that begins before birth.
This poster has nailed it here. Possession is the ultimate goal of the programmers by creating lots of dishonour so when the time comes to make that decision, the person, already made to feel worthless and unloved, and bubbling over with a multitude of devils, will simply acquiesce to the dark side.
Jude, thanks for asking what many would see as a tough question. Please feel free to pm me if you wish, and my wife and I will try to assist you in any Godly way possible.
I wish i could sit and type this much..thanks to everyone that gives much time for the work of god. You talked about "souls been sold", can the soul be sold? how? does one sell his soul when he joins a school cult?sojourner4Christ said:
(sigh) yes it is, but its not good for taking out of context to suit your own instruction in righteousness, anyone can do that.sojourner4Christ said:
Thanks for the info, please next time just provide the links I will look at them.sojourner4Christ said:
How a demon plays upon a person is beside the point when we start claiming that God is the one who allows a so called familiar demon to attach itself to a child at birth as a type ongoing un-biblical punishment for previous generational sins, and there is still nowhere in Gods word that backs this claim.
Howard Pittman writes a very enlightening testimony concerning his own experiences as he was taken beyond the vail and shown first hand how demons operate. Its amazing how much we take for granted of that I certainly agree.
But most assuredly when it comes to demonic powers we need to find our grounding in Gods word the foremost authority concerning how we must perceive and deal with such malevolence.
Sin becomes an option for an individual the moment they can distinguish right from wrong, the propensity to cause a particular sin my be hereditary but its not the work of a demon. Its the effects of certain chemical imbalances with in the brain and body that will dictate via our genetics the sorts of cravings we have and what we crave for. we are all born fallen and our body's are imperfect, and these imperfections are our burden to bare though they are certainly generational as sin is passed down by our first parents. If we give in to these particular propensity's then we run the risk of eventually being handed over to them (Rom 1:24) But if we master them (Gen 4:7) we glorify God by offering our body's as living sacrifices (Rom 12:1)
Demons are always there waiting for you to slip up
1 Peter 5:8
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
Briefly, a ‘demon attached at birth’ is not necessarily synonymous with a demon from “previous generational sins.” You are twisting my words and are detracting from the OP. You need to go back and re-read what has already been posted.
This is the physical excuse that is usually given when the spiritual reality is not understood.
The Holy Bible tells us, yes, most definitely:
Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird....the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies....Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities....her plagues [shall] come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men....And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. -- Rev. chap. 18
sojourner4Christ said:
Duck and weave is the general go to maneuver I see from your sort and that is so far all I have seen.
These conversations would go a lot easier for you if you just spent more time in the word and less time making your own.
Perhaps actual scripture would be helpful, instead of just opining.sojourner4Christ said:
Like I said, just be careful of what you learn from who. It will quickly become apparent who to ignore and who to listen to.Jude said:
Very astute brother....very astute.Madad21 said:
A very onerous post with NO scripture or truth in it whatsoever. Verboseness does NOT equate to truth, mostly to obfuscation.sojourner4Christ said:
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