America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.

Shelli · Dec 13, 2007

(BernieEOD;26647)
Political and religious freedom have nothing to do with the Gospel. The most ruthless governments are powereless to stop the spread of the Gospel and there is not and never was a mandate to liberate people into political and religious freedom. Quite to the contrary, persecution is one of God's tools to purify the Church. When it becomes too easy to proclaim ones self a believer, this is when the Church becomes lazy and corrupt. Political and religious freedom are not fruits of the Gospel. Quite to the contrary, Moses never had a high approval rating, at least twice he was "Democratically voted out of office" and both times, God punished the voters.
Careful, Bernie,You are showing too much Godly discernment and Scripture for some people.

HammerStone · Dec 13, 2007

Political and religious freedom have nothing to do with the Gospel. The most ruthless governments are powereless to stop the spread of the Gospel and there is not and never was a mandate to liberate people into political and religious freedom. Quite to the contrary, persecution is one of God's tools to purify the Church. When it becomes too easy to proclaim ones self a believer, this is when the Church becomes lazy and corrupt. Political and religious freedom are not fruits of the Gospel. Quite to the contrary, Moses never had a high approval rating, at least twice he was "Democratically voted out of office" and both times, God punished the voters.
Again, you cannot separate the wheat and chaff beforehand. God has already told us that he's going to carry that duty out when the time arrives.I see a confusion of the topic here in its own form of Babel if you want to get down to where the rubber meets the road. Salvation is personal. A blessed nation does not have to be saved. Israel had its chaff at every waking moment.It goes back to Hosea 6:6 -
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
It's not about following the law to a T or an I. It's about following the law because it ultimately means the love of God. Like it or not, even in this day and age, we are free to worship God the Father in public. It's not about establishing the perfect theocracy. I noticed this idea mentioned on numerous occasions. Do you trust any man on this earth to do that for you right now? I think not. I know I wouldn't. This was the founding fathers' attempt to establish the closest relationship to God in government that they could. They gave us a place where there were as few restrictions as possible on Church. They had already seen what a state ordained church could do elsewhere. If you cannot see this attempt, then I'd say you're blinded.This is the best we can do frankly, and while it's nothing compared to our Father, the attempt is noteworthy in terms of man. One can argue that it was done for fame sure, but exactly how many signers of the DoC can you name, for example? I see a lot of folks wanting to sit in judgment, but let me caution you there because there is one judge and one judge alone.There mere fact that I can tell my friend about Christ or walk to a church and enjoy a lesson on the Bible without some sort of tax, fee, or fear of death speaks volumes.The aspect of why things were not included is quite obvious. Denominations cant agree on much besides Christ when you get right down to it. The foresight was there to let us handle that because no nation in the world is going to stand between God and myself on Judgment Day.

whirlwind · Dec 14, 2007

(Shelli;26739)
It is indeed a "case," if someone is swayed by just a lot of words with no Scripture in them.
There is no "swaying" involved Shelli. There was no need to open my eyes about this nation. I know what and why I believe. Perhaps you should reread what was written if you feel they were "just a lot of words." There are times the words of some mean nothing (as the title of this thread shows :naughty: ) and other times, as shown in the post in question, they say so much....if the reader has the eyes to see. .........Whirlwind

BernieEOD · Dec 14, 2007

(Denver;26751)
Again, you cannot separate the wheat and chaff beforehand. God has already told us that he's going to carry that duty out when the time arrives.I see a confusion of the topic here in its own form of Babel if you want to get down to where the rubber meets the road. Salvation is personal. A blessed nation does not have to be saved. Israel had its chaff at every waking moment.It goes back to Hosea 6:6 -It's not about following the law to a T or an I. It's about following the law because it ultimately means the love of God. Like it or not, even in this day and age, we are free to worship God the Father in public. It's not about establishing the perfect theocracy. I noticed this idea mentioned on numerous occasions. Do you trust any man on this earth to do that for you right now? I think not. I know I wouldn't. This was the founding fathers' attempt to establish the closest relationship to God in government that they could. They gave us a place where there were as few restrictions as possible on Church. They had already seen what a state ordained church could do elsewhere. If you cannot see this attempt, then I'd say you're blinded.This is the best we can do frankly, and while it's nothing compared to our Father, the attempt is noteworthy in terms of man. One can argue that it was done for fame sure, but exactly how many signers of the DoC can you name, for example? I see a lot of folks wanting to sit in judgment, but let me caution you there because there is one judge and one judge alone.There mere fact that I can tell my friend about Christ or walk to a church and enjoy a lesson on the Bible without some sort of tax, fee, or fear of death speaks volumes.The aspect of why things were not included is quite obvious. Denominations cant agree on much besides Christ when you get right down to it. The foresight was there to let us handle that because no nation in the world is going to stand between God and myself on Judgment Day.
The point here is to defuse this arrogant attitude that America is a special nation and the right hand of God and that we have a duty unto God to use our economic, political, and military might to remake the world into our image.We have enough chaff to prove that we are not the great nation we claim to be.

whirlwind · Dec 14, 2007

(BernieEOD;26803)
The point here is to defuse this arrogant attitude that America is a special nation and the right hand of God and that we have a duty unto God to use our economic, political, and military might to remake the world into our image.We have enough chaff to prove that we are not the great nation we claim to be.
Arrogance? We are a special nation, we are the right hand of God....no one said we will or should try to "remake the world in our image." We give so much of our riches to other nations. Do we ask for anything in return? Is that why other nations love us so much or maybe that's why our gas prices are so low? All that required payback doesn't seem to be working, does it? We do have a lot of chaff and if we're lucky it will be voted out of office. Always remember what Christ told Peter....John 21:6 And He said unto them, "Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find." They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes...............Whirlwind

Unorthodox Christian · Dec 14, 2007

America is drunk with the Wine of the Harlot!

BernieEOD · Dec 14, 2007

(whirlwind;26829)
Arrogance? We are a special nation, we are the right hand of God....no one said we will or should try to "remake the world in our image." We give so much of our riches to other nations. Do we ask for anything in return? Is that why other nations love us so much or maybe that's why our gas prices are so low? All that required payback doesn't seem to be working, does it? We do have a lot of chaff and if we're lucky it will be voted out of office. Always remember what Christ told Peter....John 21:6 And He said unto them, "Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find." They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes...............Whirlwind
We bomb other nations into submission, force our godless way upon them. Topple governments we don't like and install our puppets. A nation that aborts 1.2 million babies a year, consumes 80% of the worlds illeagal drugs, has more children born out of wedlock than in married families, and now seeks to redefine marriage is no nation of God. The truth is that the USAF has killed more innocent civilians than all of the so called terrorist organizations combined. As far as them "Liking us" You have obviously never been overseas. They do not worship us like you claim. They love our money and hate us.

whirlwind · Dec 14, 2007

(BernieEOD;26853)
We bomb other nations into submission, force our godless way upon them. Topple governments we don't like and install our puppets. A nation that aborts 1.2 million babies a year, consumes 80% of the worlds illeagal drugs, has more children born out of wedlock than in married families, and now seeks to redefine marriage is no nation of God. The truth is that the USAF has killed more innocent civilians than all of the so called terrorist organizations combined. As far as them "Liking us" You have obviously never been overseas. They do not worship us like you claim. They love our money and hate us.
No WE don't do that. All of US don't do that. If we bombed other nations into submission and put our puppets in then things would be in much better order....they aren't. Chavez is still living and working his majic. Ahmadinejad is still living and waiting for Satan to crawl his way out of the pit in his holy mosque....it goes on and on.You misunderstand when you say, "As far as them "Liking us" You have obviously never been overseas. They do not worship us like you claim." I meant quite the opposite. My point was we do so much for other countries and it isn't done for any payback....they don't like us and we continue to send aid, they don't like us and we protect them, they don't like us and we continue to allow them into our country....that was my point!They take, we give and they hate, but....we continue to give. Why? Because it is the American way. Because of our big, stupid, hearts we continue to give and share. I resent you blaming aborted babies, drugs, illegitimate children, etc. on America. Put it where it belongs...on the scum we put in office and those that put them there. Blame it on those that think Bill Clinton was just a good old boy...big deal, it was just sex. Blame it on those that vote someone back in office after finding thousands of dollars in his freezer. Blame it on those that think the immoral lifestyle you talk about is just hunky-dorey. Blame it on the elected officials, the liberal officials that are part of America because we just keep putting them back in office.....But DO NOT BLAME IT ON AMERICA!You shouldn't place all of America in that sorry boat. Reserve the space for those that cause it. Christ told us how to take care of it but we don't do it:Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, that having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:Pluck them out, get rid of them before they destroy the body. Instead we find excuses for them. Feel sorry for them and let them ruin life for everyone. Maybe one day we will learn.

But....America is great in spite of them. Always has been...always will be!.........Whirlwind

BernieEOD · Dec 15, 2007

There is no room in the Gospel for boasting about how great we are.WE are the ones invading Iraq and trying to impose our godless ways upon them. Who are you to call Chavev evil? All he is doing is refusing to give in to us ugly Americans. The mess we are in is prscisly because we have been installing our puppet governments. We have manipulated nations into selling us oil at our prices and now that they refuse, we want to bomb them.The truth is that the abortion rate, divorce rate, teen pregnancy rate, and all the other vices of the world are no different inside our Churches as they are among the non believers. The so called religious right are the same baby aborting, drug abusing wife cheating, homosexual perverts as thier counterparts on the godless left.You have no Scriptural basis for your claim that We are so great. Your hatred for leaders who refuse to get under our thumb is unfounded. Before Chavev came to power, Venezuela was a corrupt poverty sticken nation but we didn't care as long as they gave us oil. As far as Iran is concerned, once again, WE propped up the Shah against the will of the people and are now paying for it. As long as we have the worlds largest stockpile of nuclear weapons, we are in no poition to impose a ban on others. You speak of Them being of Satan but as long as we are in our current slouch towards Gomorra, we have no business pointing fingers

whirlwind · Dec 15, 2007

BernieEOD;26937]There is no room in the Gospel for boasting about how great we are.[quote]If something is true....it is not boasting. We are what we are and we are a nation under God! We are founded on His principles! For that reason we are a great nation![quote]WE are the ones invading Iraq and trying to impose our godless ways upon them. [/quote]Give me a break. [b]Our godless ways on them??? [/b] :eek: Have you seen what Saddam was doing before we sent our boys over? Apparently not.....you should get your nose out of liberal papers and CBS news. Take a look at the real world.[quote]Who are you to call Chavev evil? All he is doing is refusing to give in to us ugly Americans. The mess we are in is prscisly because we have been installing our puppet governments. We have manipulated nations into selling us oil at our prices and now that they refuse said:
If we are such "ugly" Americans perhaps you should join the exodus to any other country of your choice. Take Michael Moore, Rosie, the Clinton's, and 7/8 of Hollywood with you. Go live where Chavez can be your ruler and see how wonderful he is. Maybe Cindy Sheehan will be your neighbor or if you're really lucky....Sean Penn or Danny Glover. Or, better yet....Jimmy Carter!

The truth is that the abortion rate, divorce rate, teen pregnancy rate, and all the other vices of the world are no different inside our Churches as they are among the non believers. The so called religious right are the same baby aborting, drug abusing wife cheating, homosexual perverts as thier counterparts on the godless left.

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Who do you run around with? You might think about getting some new acquaintances.

You have no Scriptural basis for your claim that We are so great. Your hatred for leaders who refuse to get under our thumb is unfounded. Before Chavev came to power, Venezuela was a corrupt poverty sticken nation but we didn't care as long as they gave us oil. As far as Iran is concerned, once again, WE propped up the Shah against the will of the people and are now paying for it. As long as we have the worlds largest stockpile of nuclear weapons, we are in no poition to impose a ban on others. You speak of Them being of Satan but as long as we are in our current slouch towards Gomorra, we have no business pointing fingers

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Sure we do. We have the right to point fingers but we don't. We place sanctions on them (they're shaking in their boots), we allow the UN to rub our noses in their mess in our very own country, we allow the world to thumb their noses at us and do nothing except give them more. Why? Again, because of our big, stupid hearts. Because it is the American way and we, as Christians want to help others....even when it doesn't seem to be appreciated. We know that somewhere in there someone is going to be helped. A life will be saved, a child will be fed, someone will be brought to our Father....we are a great nation! .......Whirlwind

BernieEOD · Dec 16, 2007

Once again, a antion which aborts 1.2 million babies a year is not a godly nation....period.Saddam evil? allowing criminals to go free and rape, kill, steal the way we do is far more evil. The fruits of our invasion is lawlessness and corruption. This is why there are far more people willing to die against the pupper governent we set up than for it.It is a fact that there is NO difference between the so called Church members and the rest of the world in the abortion rate, divorcve rate, or any other vices of the world and THIS is what we are wanting to impose upon the world and call it the gospel.As you boast about liberating the world with our wonder weapons:2Co 10:4 The weapons we fight with f are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power g to demolish strongholds. h There is no such thing as "Gods superpower" He always allows nations to rise in thier arrogance and strikes them down with lesser nations.

BernieEOD · Dec 16, 2007

If we are such "ugly" Americans perhaps you should join the exodus to any other country of your choice. Take Michael Moore, Rosie, the Clinton's, and 7/8 of Hollywood with you. Go live where Chavez can be your ruler and see how wonderful he is. Maybe Cindy Sheehan will be your neighbor or if you're really lucky....Sean Penn or Danny Glover. Or, better yet....Jimmy Carter!(Quote)You reviel yourself as more neocon than Christian here. Sorry, but God is not the masscot for any political party. There is no law requiring that one has to join the crown of cheering chickenhawks or leave the country. You talk very bravely when sending others to war. If you would like to drive me out yourself, you are welcome to try but I doubt you have the courage to do so. I prefer to be a voice of dissent which id what America was founde upon. The right to disagree and to present alternatives.There is no room for your arrogance in the Gospel. There is no commission for the Chirch to call upon one government to go to war and "Liberate" other nations. Especially when we oursleves are slouching towards Gomorra.

whirlwind · Dec 17, 2007

(BernieEOD;26991)
If we are such "ugly" Americans perhaps you should join the exodus to any other country of your choice. Take Michael Moore, Rosie, the Clinton's, and 7/8 of Hollywood with you. Go live where Chavez can be your ruler and see how wonderful he is. Maybe Cindy Sheehan will be your neighbor or if you're really lucky....Sean Penn or Danny Glover. Or, better yet....Jimmy Carter!(Quote)You reviel yourself as more neocon than Christian here. Sorry, but God is not the masscot for any political party. There is no law requiring that one has to join the crown of cheering chickenhawks or leave the country. You talk very bravely when sending others to war. If you would like to drive me out yourself, you are welcome to try but I doubt you have the courage to do so. I prefer to be a voice of dissent which id what America was founde upon. The right to disagree and to present alternatives.There is no room for your arrogance in the Gospel. There is no commission for the Chirch to call upon one government to go to war and "Liberate" other nations. Especially when we oursleves are slouching towards Gomorra.
Feel free to disagree....it is allowed in America. That is part of the greatness of this nation. Try it in Iran, try it in Venezuela, try it North Korea but take out a big life insurance policy for your family.As far as God being part of any political party - is there any place I mentioned a party? No, I have named people that are anti-American in their statements and you are placing them in a party.....why is that? They say America is always the problem, never the other guys....sort of like your comment about us forcing our godless beliefs on Iraq. (I still can't believe you actually said that.)

We have many problems in this nation but it is wrong to call those problems, those misfits, those that are against everything that has to do with our Father - America. They are not America. They are here to undermine America. :naughty:So...disagree, present alternatives but disagree with what is wrong...not our Nation. Present alternatives...but don't tear down our country in the process.........Whirlwind

BernieEOD · Dec 17, 2007

As far as God being part of any political party - is there any place I mentioned a party? No, I have named people that are anti-American in their statements and you are placing them in a party.....why is that? They say America is always the problem, never the other guys....sort of like your comment about us forcing our godless beliefs on Iraq. (I still can't believe you actually said that.) (Quote)Believe it! Any nation that aborts 1.2 million babies a year is no nation of God. Period!We invade other nations because they are too cruel to criminals and force them to accept our way of dealing with imorality which is to simply tolerate it. Care to discuss how many women in the military are being evacuated steside because they got pregnant over there? Nothing! Absolutly nothinbg we do indicates Godliness. You want to fix the world into our permissive ways where there kids are as fre to have sex, rape, use drugs, shoot up schools, and kill their parents like ours do. The real tragedy is that our Churches are powerless to change it and now You want to impose these same failures upon the Islamic world. You boast about how free we are but the fact is YOU would love to dep[ort me or send a goon squad out to give me an attitude adjustment if yoiu had the power to do so. Then again, in war, it always the old men who talk tough as they send out the kids to do all the dying.

BernieEOD · Dec 17, 2007

If we are such "ugly" Americans perhaps you should join the exodus to any other country of your choice. Take Michael Moore, Rosie, the Clinton's, and 7/8 of Hollywood with you. Go live where Chavez can be your ruler and see how wonderful he is. Maybe Cindy Sheehan will be your neighbor or if you're really lucky....Sean Penn or Danny Glover. Or, better yet....Jimmy Carter!(Quote)You mention only Democrats as though Republicans are the good Christian party. Newt Gingrich was having an affair at the same time he was prosecuting Clinton, Care to discuss the recent sex scandals in all of our so called Christian institutions?The truth is that while paying lip service to rightiousness, the religious right are the same adulterous, drug abusing perverts as their counterparts on the godless left.

whirlwind · Dec 17, 2007

(BernieEOD;27096)
Believe it! Any nation that aborts 1.2 million babies a year is no nation of God. Period!
The NATION doesn't do it....LIBERALS do it. We are a nation of God but we have some pieces of trash floating around in her that need to be removed.
We invade other nations because they are too cruel to criminals and force them to accept our way of dealing with imorality which is to simply tolerate it.
Is that what Saddam was doing when he cut the tongues out of men? Were they criminals or dissenters? What about the men he tortured and killed - were they criminals or dissenters? Are we forcing Iraq to accept our immorality? Is that what we are doing with Japan, with Germany, with Afghanistan?
Care to discuss how many women in the military are being evacuated steside because they got pregnant over there? Nothing! Absolutly nothinbg we do indicates Godliness. You want to fix the world into our permissive ways where there kids are as fre to have sex, rape, use drugs, shoot up schools, and kill their parents like ours do. The real tragedy is that our Churches are powerless to change it and now You want to impose these same failures upon the Islamic world.
Surely you don't believe that I, or anyone else that believes in our Father, wants to do the things you are saying.
You boast about how free we are but the fact is YOU would love to dep[ort me or send a goon squad out to give me an attitude adjustment if yoiu had the power to do so. Then again, in war, it always the old men who talk tough as they send out the kids to do all the dying.
I do not wish to deport you or even have a goon squad show up at your front door

And by the way....I am not an "old man." I am an old lady! I don't like war and wish there was no need for it but this is not heaven and until the world is under one King....there will be wars.
You mention only Democrats as though Republicans are the good Christian party. Newt Gingrich was having an affair at the same time he was prosecuting Clinton, Care to discuss the recent sex scandals in all of our so called Christian institutions?The truth is that while paying lip service to rightiousness, the religious right are the same adulterous, drug abusing perverts as their counterparts on the godless left.
But what I was discussing are those that speak against their country....it isn't my fault they are Democrats. Gingrich, as well as many others on the right will have to answer to God for sins not repented for and in that you are correct....sinners are on both sides, we are all sinners. .........Whirlwind

n2thelight · Dec 17, 2007

Can anyone who don't believe that America is a blessed nation founded on christain standards, can you please tell me what nation is? and are you saying that God does not keep His promisesGenesis 32:12 "And Thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude."Despite the protests of those who wish to deny the obvious, America began as a Christian nation.No, not every colonist was a Christian, and not all the Founders were equally "orthodox" in their Christian views, but on the whole--by an overwhelming demographic--the United States of America was created by Christians.

BernieEOD · Dec 17, 2007

whirlwind;27125 said:
The NATION doesn't do it....LIBERALS do it. We are a nation of God but we have some pieces of trash floating around in her that need to be removed.Its not just "Those liberals" The conduct of those inside our Churches is little different. Replacing Saddam with out gangs, drugs, pregant teens, abotion clinics, and other tgodless ways is no improvement. Saddam killed criminals, we coddle them, set then free, and disarm thier victims. Sorry, but gloating about how great we are as we not only slouch towafds Gomorra and now invade other nations to impose this slouch is simply not right.Nowhere in the Bible is pooitical and religious freedom called for. Quite to the contrary, your declaration of "No matter how much chaff we have, we are still Gods people and the world had better geti in line with us or we bomb them! Always has been the teaching of false prophets.It is not Biblical to liberate the world into our godless behavior. You claim that our material wealth is a sign of God's blessing, Christ says:You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ u But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. v You claim we have a duty to send fourth our Army and Liberate the world, Peter warned:They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. This is us to a T.Also, as far as gong to war for the Gospel:2Co 10:4 The weapons we fight with f are not the weapons of the world.Sorry, but there is no Gospel of bombs & bullets. We cannot proclaim oursles to be Gods people as we impose godlessness upn the world and have our very own kids in gangs, shooting up our schools, and getting pregnant.You want to topple dictaors and leave people free to practice our godlessness.

BernieEOD · Dec 17, 2007

whirlwind;27125 said:
The NATION doesn't do it....LIBERALS do it. We are a nation of God but we have some pieces of trash floating around in her that need to be removed.Its not just "Those liberals" The conduct of those inside our Churches is little different. Replacing Saddam with out gangs, drugs, pregant teens, abotion clinics, and other tgodless ways is no improvement. Saddam killed criminals, we coddle them, set then free, and disarm thier victims. Sorry, but gloating about how great we are as we not only slouch towafds Gomorra and now invade other nations to impose this slouch is simply not right.Nowhere in the Bible is pooitical and religious freedom called for. Quite to the contrary, your declaration of "No matter how much chaff we have, we are still Gods people and the world had better geti in line with us or we bomb them! Always has been the teaching of false prophets.It is not Biblical to liberate the world into our godless behavior. You claim that our material wealth is a sign of God's blessing, Christ says:You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ u But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. v You claim we have a duty to send fourth our Army and Liberate the world, Peter warned:They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. This is us to a T.Also, as far as gong to war for the Gospel:2Co 10:4 The weapons we fight with f are not the weapons of the world.Sorry, but there is no Gospel of bombs & bullets. We cannot proclaim oursles to be Gods people as we impose godlessness upn the world and have our very own kids in gangs, shooting up our schools, and getting pregnant.You want to topple dictaors and leave people free to practice our godlessness. Refusing to wear your blinders is not treason as you might claim.

BernieEOD · Dec 17, 2007

(n2thelight;27199)
Can anyone who don't believe that America is a blessed nation founded on christain standards, can you please tell me what nation is? and are you saying that God does not keep His promisesGenesis 32:12 "And Thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude."Despite the protests of those who wish to deny the obvious, America began as a Christian nation.No, not every colonist was a Christian, and not all the Founders were equally "orthodox" in their Christian views, but on the whole--by an overwhelming demographic--the United States of America was created by Christians.
"Christian nation" Denotes from the top down where you have Christian leaders imposing Christian laws upon the people. At its worst, you will send fourth SWAT Teams ordering people to "Be Baptised ot be shot!""Nation of Christians would be the propper goal where faith comes from the Bottom up. Saved people vote good leaders into office. Few laws need to be written for people are not inclined to practice the things one would need to write laws against. Abortion clinics would close not at the hands of a christian SWAT team but simply from lack of demand.Even before we were a nation, our conduct said otherwise. Many of the Colonies were more of a cult than a Church. The Salem Witch trials were an indication of a severe lack of faith. One who is in Christ should'nt have had any fear of witchcraft and yet, many people were falsly accused and some were executed. Worse, the courts were a kind of kangaroo court.Our treatment of the Indians is a dark blot on our history which reaches back to when we were still colonies. In one incident, a Colonial Militia sought to retaliate against an Indian raid. Even if they did so against the very tribe who did it Christ commands:Ro 12:17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. j Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. k The real tragedy is that they not only slaughtered a tribe which did not conduct the raid but it was one of the few tribes who converted to Christianity. They died on thier knees asking the Lord to forgive those who were killing them.Slavery was another dark spot. Worse still, the South ceceaded from the Union claiming a right to own slaves. This was not something which came up overnight. The threat of the Southern staes leaving the Union and ending up in a civil war was a real threat from the first day we became a nation.Lincoln said it best in his 2nd Inaugural address. " We both read the same Bible, We both pray to the same God, and both of us pray that he give us the upper hand in this conflict. But niether of our prayers were answered. Both of us prayed for a speedy victory and instead were given this long, hard bloody war."While American individuals have exibited great acts of faith. One cannot institutionalise the Gospel.

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