The Christian Church today is to be condemned/cursed.

Enquirer · Nov 6, 2014

WOW, I can just feel the Christian love in this thread ... CAN'T YOU ?

Born_Again · Nov 12, 2014

Johnlove said:
[SIZE=16pt]Scripture condemns the Christian Church. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The Christian Church is not teaching what Jesus/apostles taught so scripture tells us that one who teaches a different gospel is to be condemned/cursed. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](Galatians 1:7-8) “Not that there can be more than one Good News; it is merely that some troublemakers among you want to change the Good News of Christ; and let me warn you that if anyone preaches a version of the Good News different from the one you have already heard, he is to be condemned.” [/SIZE]

Johnlove and I disagree on other topics, but I agree with the scripture he posted here. That has always been my concern with the Church. How do these organizations expect to get away with changing the Word or "Good News". I pray for them. It's tragic.

heretoeternity · Nov 12, 2014

The most abused terminology in today's "churches" is the word "christianity"..the thousands of denominations are all operating on different doctrines, and the "traditions of man", not the Commandments of God..Don't these organizations realize they are operating on the Roman/Babylonian system? Obviously not! Pray for God to open your eyes to the truth, and the truth will make you free as Jesus said...do the "churches" follow His commandments? Well kind of...9 out of 10 or whatever, some even say don't have to follow them anymore, despite the New Testament being full of verses which say they must be kept..but no..today's "christians" have the attitude they just attend services once a week, on sunday, day of the sun god, sing a few songs wave their arms around, and jump around, for an hour and presto..they are "christian"...hmmmm...Paul said "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" Apostle John said in 1st John..those who say they know Him and keep not His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them"...so basically what is he calling all these so called "christian" churches who do not keep the Commandments of God? He calls them Liars....
Are the "christian churches" condemned? Better get accustomed to hearing the words of Jesus "depart from me, I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness" Matthew 7.

Remember always to follow the Son of God, His days and commandments, and NOT the sun god/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are pagan based and have no Biblical authority.

Born_Again · Nov 12, 2014

heretoeternity said:
The most abused terminology in today's "churches" is the word "christianity"..the thousands of denominations are all operating on different doctrines, and the "traditions of man", not the Commandments of God..Don't these organizations realize they are operating on the Roman/Babylonian system? Obviously not! Pray for God to open your eyes to the truth, and the truth will make you free as Jesus said...do the "churches" follow His commandments? Well kind of...9 out of 10 or whatever, some even say don't have to follow them anymore, despite the New Testament being full of verses which say they must be kept..but no..today's "christians" have the attitude they just attend services once a week, on sunday, day of the sun god, sing a few songs wave their arms around, and jump around, for an hour and presto..they are "christian"...hmmmm...Paul said "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" Apostle John said in 1st John..those who say they know Him and keep not His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them"...so basically what is he calling all these so called "christian" churches who do not keep the Commandments of God? He calls them Liars....
Are the "christian churches" condemned? Better get accustomed to hearing the words of Jesus "depart from me, I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness" Matthew 7.

Remember always to follow the Son of God, His days and commandments, and NOT the sun god/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are pagan based and have no Biblical authority.

Exactly!!!!! I gave that a vote up!! It also made me chuckle pretty good with jumping up and down and waving the arms around part!!! But that is exactly what I was getting at.

truthquest · Nov 19, 2014

If I understand Johnlove correctly, he is saying that Jesus has to actually appear to us to show himself to us. That Jesus has to audibly call us by name or we don't hear him. And that unless Jesus actually appears to us and teaches us audibly that we aren't being taught by Jesus or God. .....Well, I disagree.

John 20:29 Yeshua said to him, “Now that you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen me and have believed.”
1Pet. 1:7so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 8and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.…
Acts 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: 27For the heart of this people is stubborn, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
2Cor. 5:7 For we live by faith, not by sight.

HearGod · Nov 20, 2014

truthquest said:
If I understand Johnlove correctly, he is saying that Jesus has to actually appear to us to show himself to us. That Jesus has to audibly call us by name or we don't hear him. And that unless Jesus actually appears to us and teaches us audibly that we aren't being taught by Jesus or God. .....Well, I disagree.

John 20:29 Yeshua said to him, “Now that you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen me and have believed.”
1Pet. 1:7so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 8and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.…
Acts 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: 27For the heart of this people is stubborn, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
2Cor. 5:7 For we live by faith, not by sight.

Thumbs up!

Johnlove · Nov 20, 2014

HearGod said:
Thumbs up!

truthquest said:
If I understand Johnlove correctly, he is saying that Jesus has to actually appear to us to show himself to us. That Jesus has to audibly call us by name or we don't hear him. And that unless Jesus actually appears to us and teaches us audibly that we aren't being taught by Jesus or God. .....Well, I disagree.

[SIZE=16pt]You have not understood me correctly.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Jesus told us that his people would hear his voice, and call them out by name.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](John 10:1-5)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Jesus also said that those who keeps his commandments would see Jesus, and that he and the Father would make a home in them.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](John 14: 23) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.” [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]I witness that Jesus/Holy Spirit has personally taught me about God. Did not say that everyone needs to be taught as God is teaching me.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]John told us that the Holy Spirit would teach one to know everything.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](1 John 2: 27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you; the anointing he gave teaches you everything: you are anointed with truth, not with a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.” [/SIZE]

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John 20:29 Yeshua said to him, “Now that you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen me and have believed.”

[SIZE=16pt]Do you realize that to live God’s commandments one has to be given that grace, and to be led by the Holy Spirit? One has to believe in Jesus before he shows himself to him or her, or they will not be given the Holy Spirit.[/SIZE]

1Pet. 1:7so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 8and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.…
[SIZE=16pt]Answered that above.[/SIZE]

Acts 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: 27For the heart of this people is stubborn, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
[SIZE=16pt]This scripture seems to be saying that those who don’t live the Word of God have closed his or her eyes, and don’t want to see God.[/SIZE]

2Cor. 5:7 For we live by faith, not by sight.

[SIZE=16pt]Yes it takes faith to obey God, and that is the only way a Christian can be a follower of God. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]It takes faith to walk as Jesus walked.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]It takes faith to accept the teachings of the Holy Spirit, and faith to obey the Word of God.[/SIZE]

truthquest · Nov 20, 2014

Johnlove, Yes I do think I understood you correctly. You repeatedly stated as much. We don't have to have Jesus actually appear to us to hear his voice. Maybe you take these scriptures too literally. That's why I posted 1Pet. 1:7-9. That through our faith we hear with our ears of understanding and with our eyes we perceive and therefore we understand with our hearts. And we live by faith not by sight. You aren't the only one here who loves Jesus, do you understand that? But we don't have to actually see him for this to be true for us. That's where our faith comes in. Do you think you are the only one to be given that grace here and to be led by the holy spirit? And yes we also accept the teachings. Be careful how you curse and condemn the body of Christ, oh prophet.

Johnlove · Nov 20, 2014

truthquest said:
Johnlove, Yes I do think I understood you correctly. You repeatedly stated as much. We don't have to have Jesus actually appear to us to hear his voice. Maybe you take these scriptures too literally. That's why I posted 1Pet. 1:7-9. That through our faith we hear with our ears of understanding and with our eyes we perceive and therefore we understand with our hearts. And we live by faith not by sight. You aren't the only one here who loves Jesus, do you understand that? But we don't have to actually see him for this to be true for us. That's where our faith comes in. Do you think you are the only one to be given that grace here and to be led by the holy spirit? And yes we also accept the teachings. Be careful how you curse and condemn the body of Christ, oh prophet.

[SIZE=16pt]What else can those who don’t have Jesus call them out by name say? Those people, if they want to believe that they are one of God’s people, and he has not called them out by name, need to come up with some excuse. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Jesus has called me by name, and I know that scripture means just what Jesus said.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Keep looking for excuses, or truly ask Jesus to let you come to know him.[/SIZE]

truthquest · Nov 21, 2014

Johnlove said:
[SIZE=16pt]What else can those who don’t have Jesus call them out by name say? Those people, if they want to believe that they are one of God’s people, and he has not called them out by name, need to come up with some excuse. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Jesus has called me by name, and I know that scripture means just what Jesus said.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Keep looking for excuses, or truly ask Jesus to let you come to know him.[/SIZE]

What is your understanding of what faith is? It seems the kind of faith you talk about is only based on what can be seen and heard.

Wormwood · Nov 21, 2014

Johnlove,

I see you are still twisting Scripture. How is it that you can take a 1st century narrative of Jesus speaking to the Pharisees about those who were following him during his earthly ministry and those who would not and turn it into a, "real followers hear the audible voice of Jesus" argument. Absurd. Maybe we should all go out in boats and put down nets...because Jesus commanded his followers to do that. Maybe no paralytics can be forgiven of their sins unless they hear Jesus audibly tells them to "rise and walk." After all, its the only way we can "know" Jesus has been given the authority to forgive that person's sins, right? Also, make sure you never laugh. Jesus said, "Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep." Luke 6:25 I sure hope you have never laughed...that would be tragic for you indeed. Oh, you know what? Jesus said, "Condemn not, or you will be condemned." Too bad you declared the whole church to be "condemned." I mean, you do believe what Jesus says...right? Scripture also says that if you ask "anything" in the name of Jesus you will receive it...proving yourselves to be his disciples. So, I guess this means if you are a disciple of Jesus, you can ask for a million dollars and you will get it?

You see, Johnlove, this is what happens when Scripture is ripped out of context. We can make the Bible say whatever we want it to say. When we take quotes and ignore the context of who is speaking or who is being spoken to, then we distort and twist the Scriptures and make them say things that they are certainly NOT saying. You are terrible about this and it has led you to exalt yourself and condemn those for whom Jesus shed his blood. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Stop writing like you are God's gift to the church and the only one who really knows anything because Jesus hangs out in your living room and shows you how all your interpretations of the Bible are right (which, I hate to break it to you...everyone knows this isn't true).

Johnlove · Nov 21, 2014

truthquest said:
What is your understanding of what faith is? It seems the kind of faith you talk about is only based on what can be seen and heard.

[SIZE=16pt]If one is being taught by God, and that is the only way one can come to know God, one needs to have God communicate with him or her. (1 Corinthians 2:10-13) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Jesus said his people would hear his voice.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Paul explains that one is led by the dictates of the Holy Spirit. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]You make a straw man argument, by ignoring most of what I have posted, and come up with a false statement about what my understanding of faith is. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]One has to have faith to believe in Jesus and them be baptized in Jesus’ name. Then one has to have faith to become baptized in the Holy Spirit. Then one has to have faith to obey what the Holy Spirit tells him or her to do. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Obeying God is proof that one has faith. [/SIZE]

Wormwood said:
Johnlove,

I see you are still twisting Scripture. How is it that you can take a 1st century narrative of Jesus speaking to the Pharisees about those who were following him during his earthly ministry and those who would not and turn it into a, "real followers hear the audible voice of Jesus" argument. Absurd. Maybe we should all go out in boats and put down nets...because Jesus commanded his followers to do that. Maybe no paralytics can be forgiven of their sins unless they hear Jesus audibly tells them to "rise and walk." After all, its the only way we can "know" Jesus has been given the authority to forgive that person's sins, right? Also, make sure you never laugh. Jesus said, "Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep." Luke 6:25 I sure hope you have never laughed...that would be tragic for you indeed. Oh, you know what? Jesus said, "Condemn not, or you will be condemned." Too bad you declared the whole church to be "condemned." I mean, you do believe what Jesus says...right? Scripture also says that if you ask "anything" in the name of Jesus you will receive it...proving yourselves to be his disciples. So, I guess this means if you are a disciple of Jesus, you can ask for a million dollars and you will get it?

You see, Johnlove, this is what happens when Scripture is ripped out of context. We can make the Bible say whatever we want it to say. When we take quotes and ignore the context of who is speaking or who is being spoken to, then we distort and twist the Scriptures and make them say things that they are certainly NOT saying. You are terrible about this and it has led you to exalt yourself and condemn those for whom Jesus shed his blood. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Stop writing like you are God's gift to the church and the only one who really knows anything because Jesus hangs out in your living room and shows you how all your interpretations of the Bible are right (which, I hate to break it to you...everyone knows this isn't true).

[SIZE=16pt]I believe you and I will just have to agree that we do not agree with one another.[/SIZE]

truthquest · Nov 21, 2014

Johnlove said:
[SIZE=16pt]If one is being taught by God, and that is the only way one can come to know God, one needs to have God communicate with him or her. (1 Corinthians 2:10-13) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Jesus said his people would hear his voice.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Paul explains that one is led by the dictates of the Holy Spirit. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]You make a straw man argument, by ignoring most of what I have posted, and come up with a false statement about what my understanding of faith is. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]One has to have faith to believe in Jesus and them be baptized in Jesus’ name. Then one has to have faith to become baptized in the Holy Spirit. Then one has to have faith to obey what the Holy Spirit tells him or her to do. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Obeying God is proof that one has faith. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]I believe you and I will just have to agree that we do not agree with one another.[/SIZE]

I was asking you what faith is. What does the scripture say it means? Heb. 11:1....Can you imagine telling someone about Jesus and they say, well that's all well and good but until he actually appears to me and speaks directly to me, then I'm not going to believe in him and have faith....Actually that sounds more like something an atheist would say.

Johnlove · Nov 21, 2014

truthquest said:
I was asking you what faith is. What does the scripture say it means? Heb. 11:1....Can you imagine telling someone about Jesus and they say, well that's all well and good but until he actually appears to me and speaks directly to me, then I'm not going to believe in him and have faith....Actually that sounds more like something an atheist would say.

[SIZE=16pt]How is it that you are able to ignore what I say about faith? You ignore what I say and accuse me falsely. You quoting me wrongly is a straw man argument. [/SIZE]

truthquest · Nov 21, 2014

Johnlove said:
[SIZE=16pt]How is it that you are able to ignore what I say about faith? You ignore what I say and accuse me falsely. You quoting me wrongly is a straw man argument. [/SIZE]

I'm not ignoring anything. You keep saying that Jesus has to actually appear to us and speak directly to us in order to hear his voice, to be taught by God, to be led by Holy Spirit. So it's not enough that we have the scriptures even the very words of Jesus himself. It's not enough even that Jesus died for the sins of the world. Now we have to expect Jesus to actually appear to us too in order to hear his voice, to believe in him, to have faith, ....Don't we have the scriptures and hasn't Jesus done enough already for us to believe in him and have faith? Yes, faith Johnlove.

Johnlove · Nov 21, 2014

truthquest said:
I'm not ignoring anything. You keep saying that Jesus has to actually appear to us and speak directly to us in order to hear his voice, to be taught by God, to be led by Holy Spirit. So it's not enough that we have the scriptures even the very words of Jesus himself. It's not enough even that Jesus died for the sins of the world. Now we have to expect Jesus to actually appear to us too in order to hear his voice, to believe in him, to have faith, ....Don't we have the scriptures and hasn't Jesus done enough already for us to believe in him and have faith? Yes, faith Johnlove.

[SIZE=16pt]I am quoting scripture that tells us that God teaches us to know him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]I witness the Jesus/Holy Spirit has personally taught me for over forty years.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Jesus said that he would show himself to those who live his commandments.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Jesus said that, and I witness that I have seen Jesus.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Jesus said his people would hear his voice. I have heard and hear his voice.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Jesus told us that to love him is to keep his commandments, and if one shows he or she loves him he, and the Father will make a home in them. That makes a Christian, one who does not sin, a temple of God. That means a Christian is in the kingdom of God, because where God’s home is that is the kingdom of God.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Now I will quote you again all the scripture that confirm everything I just wrote.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](John 10:14-16) “I am the good shepherd; I know my own and my own know me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for my sheep. And there are other sheep I have that are not of this fold, and these I have to lead as well. They too will listen to my voice, and there will be only one flock, and one shepherd.” [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 2: 27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you; the anointing he gave teaches you everything: you are anointed with truth, not with a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.” [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](John 14: 23) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.” [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Notice Jesus told us that he would show himself to those who keep his commandments. That was not put into scripture by me. I just witness that Jesus has shown himself to me. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt](1 Corinthians 2:10-13) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.” [/SIZE]

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