Version Smursions?!

Enquirer said:

I use the ESV as the main source of my Bible flavour along with the English - Greek Reverse Interlinear New Testament (ESV).
I'm teaching myself Greek and am steadily getting the hang of the grammar ... what an experience it is to read a verse in the Greek
... it's mind blowing.
Reading the NT exclusively in English has been totally ruined for me.
I have most of the translations including the Moffat's Translation ... which I find off the wall with his decision to shift verses around.
To each his own I suppose.

God can use anything to reach a person.

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I love you already, and I believe that someday you will love me right back. The way to go, bro.

Without knowing a word of the Greek language, some of my friends took as long as 2 to 3 months to learn how to translate the holy Scripture by themselves. One of us studied and understood it only within 1 week; certainly with the help of the holy spirit of God. HalleluYah!

Ciao for now.

HearGod said:

1) What is your personal ONLY version?

2) Kindly share with us with a couple of verses that there is error in another (or any other) version/s.

3) And how do you determine/justify that your personal ONLY version is right?

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1. I stated in my first post on this thread tht I follow the KJV. I also stated that there are time when I would look at another version, however, my stand in doctrine comes from the use of the KJV.

2. It wasn't my point that there are errors in other versions. I was objecting to the belief that some versions are "more accurate". Something is either accurate (true) or it isn't (error). Some versions may be more descriptive, but I don't subscribe to the notion that there is error in the Bible or even "more accurate". My whole point is that there will be errors of doctrine IF you constantly switch Bible versions with the purpose of making the Bible line up with your belief.

3. I have my reasoning and methods, but they're beyond the scope of my participation in this discussion.

When we say "more accurate" it is because the KJV is based on less reliable Byzantine manuscripts. Its still a good Bible, but there are definitely verses and phrases used in the KJV that are not found in the earlier and more reliable Alexandrian texts.

FHII said:

Folks, I stand by what I have said. I've read your opinions, arguements and such, (as you did mine) and I disagree and don't understand how you don't see where this practice can lead to making the Bible fit your personal beliefs. And like I hope I got across, I'm not immune to it either. THis is why I stick to one version. No, I'm not afraid to look at other versions and I do consider them. But this is one way I stay humble to the Word. I don't go looking for a second opinion. It works to your benefit as well if we are in a debate, I might add. If you can nail me with my own version, by my creed, I will submit!

At this point all I can do is warn you... Switching Bible version because you deem them to be more accurate (by what criteria, I haven't even asked) doesn't seem to be submitting yourselves to God's Word. And personally, I think when you are talking about God's Word, there is no "more accurate". It's either right or there is error. More descriptive, I can handle. But more accurate? No.

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Dear FHII, if God is willing, I will be hanging around in this forum for the next 5, 6 hours. Can we have a one-on-one friendly chat? I am an old man (with a little eraser in my head ), so please try to go slow on me with a couple of sentences at a time. Cheerio!

Your own version is the KJV, but what is your creed? (The Nicene Creed, The Athanasian Creed, The Apostles' Creed, or?

HammerStone said:

At the end of the day, my recommendation is to always have old faithful as your main translation. Old faithful can be almost any of the translations sans those like the JW's New World Translation. It's just the translation that you yourself will read an understand, be it KJV, NIV, HCSB, ESV, NRSV, CEB, whatever. In addition to a core Bible that you'll read, I recommend at least two other translations, one leaning towards the more formal spectrum and one leaning towards the more dynamic. It's too easy to pick a particular version's slant and go with it, which is why you see things like KJVO and even what I sometimes call ESVO or NRSVO.

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I have never really studied/examined the JW's New World Translation , but could you please provide me with a couple of verses/passages to support your "not the pot calling the kettle black" claim (or allegation/accusation against another Christian/Occult Bible translation)?

@ HearGod ... I'm not sure if you are aware of the MLV (Modern Literal Translation), I discovered this while surfing the web one day.
It is a brilliant read, especially the Gospels.
The translators are normal laymen who understand the Greek language.
Here is a link to the translation and on the page there is a link to the free pdf, as they do not charge for the translation.

http://www.christianlibrary.org/bibles/MLV/preface.htm

Enquirer said:

@ HearGod ... I'm not sure if you are aware of the MLV (Modern Literal Translation), I discovered this while surfing the web one day.
It is a brilliant read, especially the Gospels.
The translators are normal laymen who understand the Greek language.
Here is a link to the translation and on the page there is a link to the free pdf, as they do not charge for the translation.

http://www.christianlibrary.org/bibles/MLV/preface.htm

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Thanks, will check it out.

HearGod said:

Dear FHII, if God is willing, I will be hanging around in this forum for the next 5, 6 hours. Can we have a one-on-one friendly chat? I am an old man (with a little eraser in my head ), so please try to go slow on me with a couple of sentences at a time. Cheerio!

Your own version is the KJV, but what is your creed? (The Nicene Creed, The Athanasian Creed, The Apostles' Creed, or?

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Well, I was in Church all day, so sorry I missed you. You can always private message me, and I do enjoy that! I prefer one on one correspondences as opposed to message board postings. As for "my creed"... I was a bit confused because I didn't think I mentioned a creed, and I didn't. That is, not in the sense you were thinking. My "creed" is simply my practice of sticking to one Bible and not Bible hopping. It is not my ultimate "creed" (which is the Bible and what it says). It was speaking of a practice of not jumping from version to version in order to make the Bible fit my doctrine.

Enquirer said:

@ HearGod ... I'm not sure if you are aware of the MLV (Modern Literal Translation), I discovered this while surfing the web one day.
It is a brilliant read, especially the Gospels.
The translators are normal laymen who understand the Greek language.
Here is a link to the translation and on the page there is a link to the free pdf, as they do not charge for the translation.

http://www.christianlibrary.org/bibles/MLV/preface.htm

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Hi again Enquirer,

I checked/examined about 10 verses randomly, and discovered that ALL of them are wrong; to a greater or lesser degree. It is after all, just another [bad] translation. Do not be at the mercy of all those (or any) "strange" Bible translators. If I am not mistaken, there is only 1 Study Bible in the market today that you can study and EASILY (IMHO) learn how to correctly translate (not interpret) the whole NT by yourself without knowing a word of Greek. Please check it out: www.yhvbible.com

they do not charge for the translation
Hahaha... there is no such thing as a free lunch LOL! God knows, the catch might even be your soul!?!?!

Matthew 13:45-46 (KJV)
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

FHII said:

Well, I was in Church all day, so sorry I missed you. You can always private message me, and I do enjoy that! I prefer one on one correspondences as opposed to message board postings. As for "my creed"... I was a bit confused because I didn't think I mentioned a creed, and I didn't. That is, not in the sense you were thinking. My "creed" is simply my practice of sticking to one Bible and not Bible hopping. It is not my ultimate "creed" (which is the Bible and what it says). It was speaking of a practice of not jumping from version to version in order to make the Bible fit my doctrine.

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Private messsage? How? Among many other things, I am also not computer savvy. Sob, sob.

What do you mean: your doctrine? Do you mean your teaching? Are you a Bible teacher?

HearGod said:

Private messsage? How? Among many other things, I am also not computer savvy. Sob, sob.

What do you mean: your doctrine? Do you mean your teaching? Are you a Bible teacher?

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My doctrine is the Bible. Want to know what my doctrine or my believe or my teaching is? Crack it open. In other words, if it's in the Bible, and it's taken in context, that's what I believe. I sit under a Pastor who preaches that and believes that. So it is my teaching. Am I a Bible teacher? Don't know. I point to that as my teaching, though, through a Man of God, like the Bible says.

Was this not mostly covered in the recently closed debate on KJV Only?

For you KJV which version are you using? there were over 28 revisions to the KJV. Even today are you using the Cambridge or Oxford?

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Was this not mostly covered in the recently closed debate on KJV Only?

For you KJV which version are you using? there were over 28 revisions to the KJV. Even today are you using the Cambridge or Oxford?

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Don't know if it was covered in the recently closed debate... But what is the purpose of your asking? Was it written with me in mind? Go the the local Barnes and Noble and find the KJV. That's the one I follow. Sure there were many revisions. What's your point?

Can I tell you what I think your point is? I mean, if I'm wrong about it, fine.... But I've been around and I tend to see trends. I absolutely know and see that there are KJV elitists who look down on every other version. That causes backlash. Let me assure you that I'm not of that kind. I have my reasons for following the KJV, which I won't go into now. But I'm also not going to apologize for it. Some folks here don't even follow any Bible neither to they follow a "conglomerate" of Bibles. And my point is that both are error.

Just in case there is any confusion. I picked the KJV. You.... Pick one version for discussion. My point is don't go to the KJV for verse 18, the NIV for verse 23 and the NASV for verse 46 because "the Holy Spirit told you!" My point is form your doctrine around the Bible, don't pick Bibles that fit your doctrine. Frankly, I'm flabbergasted that anyone feels differently! Seriously.... Why don't some of you write your own version of the Bible. I actually knew and idiot who took me up on that!

I'm KJVonly... Proud of it. But I'm not going to be a snob about it. I'll work with you on your version. But don't be so anti-KJV that you alienate me. Perhaps I read you wrong, and if so I apoligize.

For you KJV which version are you using? there were over 28 revisions to the KJV

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The above is the myth they want you to believe, in order to justify the hundreds of un-inspired modern per-versions they copyright, publi$h and promote. The KJB still remains the Holy Bible, also known today as the Authorized Version.

Don't know if it was covered in the recently closed debate... But what is the purpose of your asking? Was it written with me in mind? Go the the local Barnes and Noble and find the KJV. That's the one I follow. Sure there were many revisions. What's your point?

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If they (that is, the "textual critics," the wanna-be scholars) can convince you that the KJB is just another version in a long line of versions, then they can more readily slide their counterfeits into place without much fuss.

Can I tell you what I think your point is? I mean, if I'm wrong about it, fine.... But I've been around and I tend to see trends. I absolutely know and see that there are KJV elitists who look down on every other version. That causes backlash. Let me assure you that I'm not of that kind. I have my reasons for following the KJV, which I won't go into now. But I'm also not going to apologize for it. Some folks here don't even follow any Bible neither to they follow a "conglomerate" of Bibles. And my point is that both are error.

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Yep, you got it. But that doesn’t mean the naysayers will cease their attacks. Their first attack is their attempt to preemptively pigeonhole you by pejoratively labeling you as King James Version Only which, of course, has nothing to do with the truth that ‘God has preserved his pure perfect inspired word for ever,’ that 'every word of God is pure,' and that he has 'magnified his word above his name.' Thus we do have that Holy word today. They HATE the truth that God has always provided the common man with the common Bible in the common language of the day. These Nicolaitans are 'afraid of losing both their place and their nation' i.e. their status and their stuff. So they enjoy nothing more than to make sport of your firm belief in the extant inspired word of God.

Just in case there is any confusion. I picked the KJV. You.... Pick one version for discussion. My point is don't go to the KJV for verse 18, the NIV for verse 23 and the NASV for verse 46 because "the Holy Spirit told you!" My point is form your doctrine around the Bible, don't pick Bibles that fit your doctrine.

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Amen.

Frankly, I'm flabbergasted that anyone feels differently! Seriously.... Why don't some of you write your own version of the Bible. I actually knew and idiot who took me up on that!

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Same here. I had a cemetary seminary friend who, after being brainwashed by that secular curiculum, did the same and then he pridefully brought it to me for comment. That was his second mistake.

I'm KJVonly... Proud of it. But I'm not going to be a snob about it. I'll work with you on your version. But don't be so anti-KJV that you alienate me. Perhaps I read you wrong, and if so I apoligize.

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You got it.
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If your best argument is that they are calling you names...

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It’s not an argument; it’s a statement of fact.

...you using every derogatory and pejorative way to describe modern scholars, but then accuse them of being the ones to use names.

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“Modern scholars” (these were the so-called priests!) have 'corrupted the covenant' and 'led many astray' (Malachi chapter 2). They criticize the text i.e. they call themselves "textual critics"! (Some even call themselves heretics -- see the link in my signature.) They are not Godly scholars in the biblical definition; thus they are liars, not by slur but by biblical definition, as they speak against the revealed truth.

If you use the King James Version only, then you are a King James Only person. That's descriptive, not prescriptive.

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I “use” the Holy Bible, of the text type from antiquity -- rename it however you will.

...I own 3 differing editions of the KJV...odds are there are more....That doesn't seem to matter to KJV proponents, if they actually know and acknowledge this.

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That's a red herring.

I don't know why I read these threads, they just work me up because of the countless lies and fallacies that are promoted.

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You have your opinions, yet opinions do not rule. Truth is the requisite component to Godliness.

However, if you're going to assert that the KJV is the best and others are inferior to unusable, that is a different animal.

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Yeah, such hurts business.

As the “pure, inspired, preserved for ever” word of God, “the KJV is” not merely “the best,” as there is no compare.

There are tons of Holy Bibles out there, from antiquity, of the same text type as the more recent AV. And all of them are the pure inspired preserved for ever word of God. Modern copyrighted versions of those Holy Bibles are from another text type and uninspired.

s4c,

Do you have any actual evidence for your claims? Because the only thing I see is a bunch of baseless assertions. Yet you claim others are only spouting "opinions." smh

s4c,

Do you have any actual evidence for your claims? Because the only thing I see is a bunch of baseless assertions. Yet you claim others are only spouting "opinions." smh

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ROFL! Are you serious??? Okay, to be safe, I'll assume your request to get up-to-speed is genuine.

For starters, read the four-page (since locked, of course) thread, New Age Bible Versions, here.

Then, move to a couple of posts in the inflammatorily titled KJV Only? thread, where the naysayers get caught out on their 'beloved' 'editors,' Westcott and Hort (spiritualists and necromancers), so then attempt a shift to distance those two heretics from any involvement in today's modern versions, here and here.

Of course, we would be remiss if we didn’t include a record of the attempt to sully the KJB with an accusation of old re: inclusion of the Apocrypha, here.

And recently, some would again attempt to slam the KJB into "just another revision” to justify their own copyrighted inventions. Some things never change, here.

And last, but by no means least, is one of the best examples of how the enemy tries to keep you bogged down in silly and circuitous pap and thus ineffective for the truth, which can be found in the exchanges within this thread.

If and when you have any questions about the primary and/or secondary documentation found there, please bring it to our attention to the edification of us all.

I made it through 11 minutes of the video. SMH. Yeah, that Anderson fellow is quite a Bible scholar. I have seen his preaching on YouTube about real men pee standing up. LOL. Ok, I see where you are coming from s4c. I have nothing else to discuss on this matter. I will leave you to fight the illuminati.

I made it through 11 minutes of the video. SMH. Yeah, that Anderson fellow is quite a Bible scholar. I have seen his preaching on YouTube about real men pee standing up. LOL. Ok, I see where you are coming from s4c. I have nothing else to discuss on this matter. I will leave you to fight the illuminati.

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What video? Even I have not viewed any video; I didn't post any video. If you mean the OP's, then again, I have not viewed it. Rather, the copious primary and secondary documentation links, which you asked for, were provided as further proof of the OP's premise, the New Age Bible Versions agenda. Regardless, if you can't last for 15 minutes with a video, you surely won't make it through any documentation checks. Don't get suckered into programmed complacency by the carefully crafted conditioning slide aka "Illuminati."

If you ever visited libraries in the past, back in the 80's, you would know that at even a modest public library you could find every book you needed to understand all aspects of the sciences. Starting in the mid 80's our libraries went under attack, to annihilate their value as a reference base for Western Civilization. Their destruction was deliberate.

I am an inquisitive type who would actually USE the libraries in the past. And it was never any problem to get detailed information, I can't even begin to tell you what types of things I would look for. I could set out to find a fact, and everything I ever set out to look for would ALWAYS be at ANY library. I know I am unique in the type of things I would look for and therefore can serve as the library canary, giving the signal of DOOM. I knew the libraries were turning to garbage, but could not figure out why. That is, until my experience with the Jewish community. And now, even in cities with populations of a million plus, I can't find jack. I can't get a single question answered. Only the most basics of basic are there, the libraries have been stripped of real value and replaced with fluff.

Fluff like 94,000 feminist books, books about gaydom, alternative religion, new age rubbish, 93 trillion ridiculous "self help" books, aisle after aisle of fiction and fantasy and virtually NOTHING of value with regard to what was once the fabric of Western Civilization. Any book with any science at all has the science buried under volumes of convoluted text, obviously intended to confuse. What once could be found within a few minutes now takes hours or days, if it can be found at all, or at least before frustration drives me out the door. Now, information which was once free to the public has been quarantined, for access only to the discrete few willing to pay thousands for that information via college text books, and I have seen enough of those to know that even THEY are now intentionally convoluted and watered down. It was intentional.

The Jews made it a huge point - the value of having your own HARD PRINTED LIBRARY. And even poor Jews have enormous hard bound libraries in their homes. Jews will spend enormous piles of money on hard printed works, because they know that hard print cannot be changed via an online "update" and the only solid record of fact is a printed book. And while building their own private libraries, they set out to destroy the public libraries accessible to any non Jews. They got into all the library staffs, and made the decisions of which books got thrown, and which books got kept. If you go to any public library, you will discover that somewhere in each library there will be a Jew making the decisions of what will be in that library. Go to the dumpster out back. I have done this as part of my investigations of the Jews following leaving them, and even in little old Bakersfield, I witnessed an enormous number of great books going out through the dumpster, with absolutely nothing of value replacing them inside the library. When I was in Vancouver, after leaving the Jewish community, I visited the library there and found a lot of the old good books still in place, only to discover that key pages were consistently ripped out of many of the best ones. And it was not vandals or geeks, because vandals don't care about technical writings and geeks know what a copier is, and also have a lot of respect for written works. I of course had the advantage of knowing Jews were doing this to our libraries, and checked the dumpsters and pulled key works to see what new atrocity had been committed on a fairly regular basis.

The internet has changed. Once upon a time you could go to Alta Vista, type in any scientific fact you wanted to know, and BOOM, it would be on your screen. It was like a library on steroids. But after Google that changed. Google buries all truthfully technical information behind a pay wall, and even Alta Vista now does as well. So unless you plan to spend hundreds or thousands buying technical writings in the hopes that one nugget will be there (chances are it will not) the internet has now been rendered totally useless as a scientific reference tool. So they FIRST destroyed the libraries, and then destroyed the web, and if you think Wikipedia is great you have a lot of learning to do.

Via the destruction of our information base, the Jews have made an enormous step towards gaining our rightful future. It's no secret our schools have been destroyed. It's no secret that our kids are now graduating with honors, while not being able to think or even knowing the basics. We are about to be made irrelevant as a civilization. There is still a key pool of 50-plus year old engineers who got real educations, who are designing CPU's and whatever else was at the pinnacle of our society. As far as technical advancement, there are enough of these people from America's great past still in the system to hide the damage that has been done. They won't be there forever, and when they are gone we will suffer a collapse more enormous than the world has ever witnessed. And rising from the ashes of that collapse will be the Jews, with all of our works carefully preserved within their homes and private libraries, and with their children carefully educated with OUR advanced knowledge they will rise to the top. Our civilization, with it's great technical reference base destroyed and children intentionally sabotaged, will slip into irrelevance.

I don't know about all that. I just know your link sent me to a discussion about KJV only with a 2 hour video on the topic. I thought that is what you were pointing me toward. If you have a specific post in a discussion you want me to read, fine. I am not about to read a dozen threads with dozens or hundreds of posts.

In any event, I have heard so far are conspiracy theories about the Bible. I don't know about public libraries. I find that libraries, like television, tend to reflect what people want to read. In our culture, people are more interested in Taylor Swift than they are American history. I don't know that it is a conspiracy by Google so much as it is a reflection of our hedonistic and materialistic culture. Libraries, like TV, provide what people want to see. Its a simple law of supply and demand. Your conspiracy theories are a bit much.

Anyway, even if your conspiracies were somehow able to be proved true...and not just a smattering of opinions, which they seem to be so far, it still doesn't prove that the KJV is the authoritative Bible. Suppose you can prove the NIV is straight from the fires of gehenna. It doesn't, by default, make the KJV God's authoritative version. So far, all I have seen are attacks on other versions, but no real support for the KJV. I mean, I could make the same baseless accusations about the KJV. Instead of saying, "The NIV has removed verses from the Word of GOD!" I could say, "The KJV is ADDING verses to the Word of God!" Its all perspective and baseless opinion. What I need, my dear friend, is something that represents a rational argument that somehow the KJV was dubbed by God to be an inerrant version on par with the original autographs and all other versions (which is really unfortunate for non-English speakers) are inferior at best, but more likely demonic. Just not buying it.

What about the Gutenberg? And where was the KJV translated from? I actually have a book on the history of the Bible and how we got all the translations but I haven't finished it yet. About half way I think.