Does one need to study the bible?

Johnlove · Nov 11, 2014

[SIZE=16pt]The written Word of God can be useful to teach one about Jesus. But when he or she accept Jesus as his or her God, and becomes baptized in Jesus name, then what is important is receiving the Holy Spirit. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](Acts 8: 14-17) “When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, and they went down there and prayed for them to receive the Holy Spirit, for as yet he had not come down on any of them: they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The Holy Spirit will then if the person allows him, teach one to come to know God, not to just to know of God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 2: 27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you; the anointing he gave teaches you everything: you are anointed with truth, not with a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.” [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The Holy Spirit will give one the grace to be able to obey God. Also direct one what he or she needs to do to obey God. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”[/SIZE]

Born_Again · Nov 11, 2014

Amen!!!!!

2 Peter 3:13
What will happen next, and what we hope for, is what God promised: a new heaven and a new earth where justice reigns.
Job 32:7-8
I thought to myself, "Age should speak first; those advanced in years will teach wisdom." But alas, it turns out it is the spirit in a man, not age, and the breath of the Highest One within him that lends understanding.

Rocky Wiley · Nov 11, 2014

Johnlove said:
[SIZE=16pt]The written Word of God can be useful to teach one about Jesus. But when he or she accept Jesus as his or her God, and becomes baptized in Jesus name, then what is important is receiving the Holy Spirit. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The Holy Spirit will then if the person allows him, teach one to come to know God, not to just to know of God.[/SIZE]

There are many Christians who feel and think the same way as you. Personally, I feel the receiving of the Holy Ghost is the most important thing that can ever happen to a person.

Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Living water is eternal life.

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
At the end of this carnal life, we will continue on with eternal life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Very plainly says that the gift of God is eternal life. Peter, to whom Jesus gave the keys to heaven, told those Jews that were gathered just how they should receive this gift.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

If one does a word search on the word 'gifts' (plural) they will find where there are other gifts that they might receive after they have the gift of life.

Knowledge is one of them.

For what it is worth,

Your brother in Christ

Rocky Wiley

Johnlove · Nov 11, 2014

Rocky Wiley said:
There are many Christians who feel and think the same way as you. Personally, I feel the receiving of the Holy Ghost is the most important thing that can ever happen to a person.

Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Living water is eternal life.

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
At the end of this carnal life, we will continue on with eternal life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Very plainly says that the gift of God is eternal life. Peter, to whom Jesus gave the keys to heaven, told those Jews that were gathered just how they should receive this gift.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

If one does a word search on the word 'gifts' (plural) they will find where there are other gifts that they might receive after they have the gift of life.

Knowledge is one of them.

For what it is worth,

Your brother in Christ

Rocky Wiley

[SIZE=16pt]Yes Paul tells us of a few of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]I personally believe that if one does not have a magnification of the Holy Spirit’s gifts, that he or she does not have the Holy Spirit teaching him or her.[/SIZE]
(1 Corinthians 12:27-30) “Now you together are Christ’s body; but each of you is a different part of it. In the Church, God has given the first place to apostles, the second to prophets, the third to teachers; after them, miracles, and after them the gift of healing; helpers, good leaders, those with many languages. Are all of them apostles, or all of them prophets, or all of them teachers? Do all speak strange languages, and all interpret them?”

justaname · Nov 11, 2014

2 Timothy 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Johnlove · Nov 11, 2014

justaname said:
2 Timothy 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[SIZE=16pt]Yes Paul told Timothy that scripture could be used. Do you know that the only scripture Paul was referring to was the Old Testament? Paul was referring to the scripture that confirmed that Jesus Christ was the messiah. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Paul and Timothy were evangelizing. They were teaching people that Jesus was the son of God/messiah. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]If that is what you are doing then share where the prophets proclaimed that Jesus was the messiah. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Christian have the Holy Spirit to teach them. [/SIZE]

justaname · Nov 11, 2014

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Peter 3:15-16
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Do you see here where Peter, moved by the Holy Spirit, refers to Paul's writings as Scripture.

No one disagrees that Christians have the Holy Spirit to teach them, yet personal revelation does not trump the Scriptures. The entire biblical cannon is Scripture.

[SIZE=12pt]“It seems odd, that certain men who talk so much of what the Holy Spirit reveals to themselves, should think so little of what He has revealed to others.” Charles Spurgeon[/SIZE]

Not understanding the context of the 1 John 2:27 passage you misconstrue the verse to your own demise forming a false theology not from Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

Johnlove · Nov 12, 2014

justaname said:
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Peter 3:15-16
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Do you see here where Peter, moved by the Holy Spirit, refers to Paul's writings as Scripture.

No one disagrees that Christians have the Holy Spirit to teach them, yet personal revelation does not trump the Scriptures. The entire biblical cannon is Scripture.

[SIZE=12pt]“It seems odd, that certain men who talk so much of what the Holy Spirit reveals to themselves, should think so little of what He has revealed to others.” Charles Spurgeon[/SIZE]

Not understanding the context of the 1 John 2:27 passage you misconstrue the verse to your own demise forming a false theology not from Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

[SIZE=16pt]It seems that you are making a straw man argument when you say “should[/SIZE] think so little of what He has revealed to others”.
[SIZE=16pt]I never said or implied that.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]I know that our bible is the written Word of God. I just believe that without God’s teaching him or her, one will not come to a true understanding of what is written.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The scripture you quoted has Peter telling people to be very careful.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]I also know that Jesus/Holy Spirit will not teach anything that contradicts the written Word of God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Now that said, Jesus has contradicted, with me, some of the different version of the English translated bibles. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]That is why for me, it makes no difference which translation I read. Jesus/Holy Spirit lets me know the truth. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Then people will ask me how one is to know if it is God teaching him or her. I answer that one knows Jesus voice. Scripture tells us that.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]But one also knows if it is God who is teaching him or her, by the fruit produced. If it is God then good fruit will come of that teaching. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]If one is being taught by anyone else, then rotten fruit will be produced. Not living God’s Word, which includes sinning is rotten fruit. [/SIZE]

Wormwood · Nov 12, 2014

What is your point Johnlove? The question is "Does one need to study the Bible?" Based on your comments, am I right in understanding that you think it is good to study the Bible to learn about God, but then, once you receive the Holy Spirit, you do not need to study the Bible anymore? That seems to be what you are implying with this thread.

Johnlove · Nov 12, 2014

Wormwood said:
What is your point Johnlove? The question is "Does one need to study the Bible?" Based on your comments, am I right in understanding that you think it is good to study the Bible to learn about God, but then, once you receive the Holy Spirit, you do not need to study the Bible anymore? That seems to be what you are implying with this thread.

[SIZE=16pt]Study the bible after God starts to teach him or her. No I don’t believe one needs to do that. God will have one read or do what he or she needs to do to come to know God.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]If the Holy Spirit wants one to have a great knowledge of the written Word of God, then he will bring a person to that knowledge.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]My first year of God personally teaching me, Jesus did not have me read the bible. If the bible was read at all, it was to just confirm what Jesus was teaching me.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Then Jesus told me to get more into the Word. I believed he was referring to himself. So I said to him, how can I get more into you? Jesus said also the written Word.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]I did not understand then why Jesus wanted me to get more into the written Word of God, but now I know.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Jesus has me use the written Word to help me give the word he asked me to give. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]I truly believe that some people do not ever need to read the written Word of God.[/SIZE]

Wormwood · Nov 12, 2014

[SIZE=16pt]I truly believe that some people do not ever need to read the written Word of God.[/SIZE]

I truly believe that you are wrong.

Born_Again · Nov 12, 2014

Wormwood said:
I truly believe that you are wrong.

It is an absolute must!!! To know the word is to know Him!!

Johnlove · Nov 12, 2014

Born_Again said:
It is an absolute must!!! To know the word is to know Him!!

[SIZE=16pt]I show you by using scripture, that the only way one can come to know God is if he or she allows God to teach them.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]All you have to repute what I say, is your opinion?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.-----------“[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Scripture also tells us that the Holy Spirit will teach us everything.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 2: 27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you; the anointing he gave teaches you everything: you are anointed with truth, not with a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.” [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Scripture also tells us that if one sins he or she has never seen God nor knows God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Now tell me how many people do you know of that believe the bible will bring one to know God, have stopped sinning?[/SIZE]

Johnlove said:
[SIZE=16pt]I show you by using scripture, that the only way one can come to know God is if he or she allows God to teach them.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]All you have to repute what I say, is your opinion?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.-----------“[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Scripture also tells us that the Holy Spirit will teach us everything.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 2: 27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you; the anointing he gave teaches you everything: you are anointed with truth, not with a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.” [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Scripture also tells us that if one sins he or she has never seen God nor knows God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Now tell me how many people do you know of that believe the bible will bring one to know God, have stopped sinning?[/SIZE]

Born_Again said:
It is an absolute must!!! To know the word is to know Him!!

Wormwood · Nov 12, 2014

Johnlove,

You should stop trying to teach because you do not know the Scriptures you quote. 1 Cor. 2:10-16 is NOT referring to all Christians. It is referring to the Apostles that received special revelation from God. (See 1 Cor 2:6 & 1 Cor. 3:1). The first personal pronouns are referring to the Apostles, NOT all Christians. Paul contrasts the "we" with "you" in reference to the Corinthians who were not able to receive the revelation given by Paul and the other Apostles as mature believers yet.

I already told you that 1 John 2 has to do with Gnostics who taught they had special knowledge by which they would enter heaven. John's point is that you do not need special knowledge from false teachers to know you belong to God. We all have the Holy Spirit and He testifies that we are God's children. This is NOT a verse teaching that someone does not need a teacher or the Bible.

Stop teaching Johnlove. You should go against your own advice and start reading the Bible and allowing the Word of God to teach you.

Born_Again · Nov 12, 2014

Johnlove,

I see the scripture you quoted. That's all well and fine, but show me where it says you dont have to read the Bible. How exactly would the Holy Spirit teach you everyting there is to know without some sort of guide?? That just does not make sense.... First, how would you know you were annointed unless you had scripture to lay out the context.... And after that, with out Scirpture, how would you know what to do with it? How does that work????

Johnlove · Nov 12, 2014

Wormwood said:
Johnlove,

You should stop trying to teach because you do not know the Scriptures you quote. 1 Cor. 2:10-16 is NOT referring to all Christians. It is referring to the Apostles that received special revelation from God. (See 1 Cor 2:6 & 1 Cor. 3:1). The first personal pronouns are referring to the Apostles, NOT all Christians. Paul contrasts the "we" with "you" in reference to the Corinthians who were not able to receive the revelation given by Paul and the other Apostles as mature believers yet.

I already told you that 1 John 2 has to do with Gnostics who taught they had special knowledge by which they would enter heaven. John's point is that you do not need special knowledge from false teachers to know you belong to God. We all have the Holy Spirit and He testifies that we are God's children. This is NOT a verse teaching that someone does not need a teacher or the Bible.

Stop teaching Johnlove. You should go against your own advice and start reading the Bible and allowing the Word of God to teach you.

[SIZE=16pt]Again who says your understanding of those scripture is true? Is it not just someone’s opinion?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]You actually believe that the Holy Spirit had something John wrote placed in the bible, which was not meant for all who read the written Word of God?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Do you believe the Holy Spirit wanted to give us a history lesson?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Who taught you about God? If it was someone other than God, why do you believe him or her?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Paul was talking to all those who read his writings. To say he was not addressing us is just an evasion. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]If one has never had Jesus/Holy Spirit teach him or her what else can they say so as to be able continue to believe the teachings they received about God are correct, when scripture says he or she is wrong.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Paul said the following do you believe he was speaking just to, a few people? Why then did the Holy Spirit have what he write included into the bible?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](Romans 8: 4)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]It is so easy to disregard scripture by saying that it is not speaking to us.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The Holy Spirit did not give us a written Word that needed a doctorate degree to understand.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]No it was made simple so people can understand the written Word, and when Paul’s letters become a bit difficult then the Holy Spirit will give one the knowledge. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]What use is it to discuss Christianity with those who only believe some of what it says in the bible?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The only physical confirmation that we have is God’s written Word. When people say it is not talking to us, they are just making God’s Word useless. [/SIZE]

Born_Again said:
Johnlove,

I see the scripture you quoted. That's all well and fine, but show me where it says you dont have to read the Bible. How exactly would the Holy Spirit teach you everyting there is to know without some sort of guide?? That just does not make sense.... First, how would you know you were annointed unless you had scripture to lay out the context.... And after that, with out Scirpture, how would you know what to do with it? How does that work????

[SIZE=16pt]Does Scripture say one has to read the written Word of God?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]John said those who read or listen to Revelations will be blessed.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Does it say one has to read Revelations?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Paul told Timothy that he could learn wisdom that leads to salvation. He did not tell Timothy that he would come to know God from scripture. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Learn wisdom that leads to salvation. Not scripture that leads. Wisdom tells one to listen to and obey the Holy Spirit. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Again Paul told Timothy that scripture can be used. He does not say one has to use scripture.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Paul said by being upright that is how someone who is dedicated to God becomes fully equipped and ready for any good work.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Now that could be read that scripture is how:-----.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Scripture can be used for teaching one to be upright. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Either way you want to read what Paul said, he did not say one has to read scripture.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](2 Timothy 3:15-17) “And how, ever since you were a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures -from these you can learn the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All scripture is inspired by God and useful for refuting error, for guiding people's lives and teaching them to be upright. This is how someone who is dedicated to God becomes fully equipped and ready for any good work.”[/SIZE]

Wormwood · Nov 12, 2014

Again who says your understanding of those scripture is true? Is it not just someone’s opinion?

Who says your understanding of Scripture is true?

You actually believe that the Holy Spirit had something John wrote placed in the bible, which was not meant for all who read the written Word of God?

I believe the Bible is for all but it is understood in its own context. God told Moses to tell Pharoah to let his people go. You are not to go tell Pharoah, that was a command given to Moses. Not every statement in the Bible is directed right at you Johnlove. However, that does not mean it is not meant for us.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit wanted to give us a history lesson?

There are many history lessons in the Bible (see 1 Cor. 10:11).

Who taught you about God? If it was someone other than God, why do you believe him or her?

I learn about God from His own revelation via the Scriptures. Do you not believe the Bible is from God? If you do, why don't you answer the Scriptures instead of trying to influence people by your self-proclaimed visions and conversations with Jesus? Jesus is not at odds with His own Word.

Paul said the following do you believe he was speaking just to, a few people? Why then did the Holy Spirit have what he write included into the bible?

(Romans 8: 4)

What does Romans 8:4 have to do with 1 Cor 2?

What use is it to discuss Christianity with those who only believe some of what it says in the bible?

When did I say I only believe some of what it says in the Bible? I think you are confusing my disagreement with your twisting of verses to mean I disagree with the Bible. I am showing you that the Bible's own context shows that how you are applying the verses is in error. Very different from saying I only believe "some" of the Bible...

Johnlove · Nov 12, 2014

Wormwood said:
Who says your understanding of Scripture is true?

I believe the Bible is for all but it is understood in its own context. God told Moses to tell Pharoah to let his people go. You are not to go tell Pharoah, that was a command given to Moses. Not every statement in the Bible is directed right at you Johnlove. However, that does not mean it is not meant for us.

There are many history lessons in the Bible (see 1 Cor. 10:11).

I learn about God from His own revelation via the Scriptures. Do you not believe the Bible is from God? If you do, why don't you answer the Scriptures instead of trying to influence people by your self-proclaimed visions and conversations with Jesus? Jesus is not at odds with His own Word.

What does Romans 8:4 have to do with 1 Cor 2?

When did I say I only believe some of what it says in the Bible? I think you are confusing my disagreement with your twisting of verses to mean I disagree with the Bible. I am showing you that the Bible's own context shows that how you are applying the verses is in error. Very different from saying I only believe "some" of the Bible...

[SIZE=16pt]I am finished discussing with you. When you can use scripture to refute my post, then we may have something to say to one another. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Otherwise we can agree to disagree. [/SIZE]

justaname · Nov 12, 2014

Here is something rather interesting...

First off saying you don't need anyone to teach you but the Holy Spirit is self refuting...it is a teaching itself. Thereby there must be a different meaning than what the OP applies.

Second we have scores of verses on teaching...Paul teaches Timothy in Scripture...both had the Holy Spirit...

Third teaching is a gift of the Holy Spirit...why would there be that gift if it was not intended to be applied...

How about we start here...

Johnlove · Nov 12, 2014

justaname said:
Here is something rather interesting...

First off saying you don't need anyone to teach you but the Holy Spirit is self refuting...it is a teaching itself. Thereby there must be a different meaning than what the OP applies.

Second we have scores of verses on teaching...Paul teaches Timothy in Scripture...both had the Holy Spirit...

Third teaching is a gift of the Holy Spirit...why would there be that gift if it was not intended to be applied...

How about we start here...

[SIZE=16pt]Yes teaching is a gift of the Holy Spirit, but does that say who he or she that have that gift is teaching? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]There has to be teachers in the Church to teach those who don’t already accept Jesus as his or her God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Having the Holy Spirit teach him or her does not mean one does not learn from others also.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The Holy Spirit once told me to tell people that no matter who tell them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop or anyone, they were to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]It does not matter if one is learning from another, as long as God tell you it from him. [/SIZE]

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