Does one need to study the bible?

truthquest · Nov 22, 2014

Johnlove said:
[SIZE=16pt]Study the bible after God starts to teach him or her. No I don’t believe one needs to do that. God will have one read or do what he or she needs to do to come to know God.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]If the Holy Spirit wants one to have a great knowledge of the written Word of God, then he will bring a person to that knowledge.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]My first year of God personally teaching me, Jesus did not have me read the bible. If the bible was read at all, it was to just confirm what Jesus was teaching me.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Then Jesus told me to get more into the Word. I believed he was referring to himself. So I said to him, how can I get more into you? Jesus said also the written Word.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]I did not understand then why Jesus wanted me to get more into the written Word of God, but now I know.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Jesus has me use the written Word to help me give the word he asked me to give. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]I truly believe that some people do not ever need to read the written Word of God.[/SIZE]

The scriptures also give us encouragement and comfort and thereby strengthens our hope and gives us patience and endurance. That sounds like a good reason to me for reading and studying the scriptures along with teaching.
Rom. 15:4 For everything that is written from ancient times is written for our teaching, that by patience and by comfort of the Scriptures we should have hope.

Johnlove · Nov 22, 2014

truthquest said:
The scriptures also give us encouragement and comfort and thereby strengthens our hope and gives us patience and endurance. That sounds like a good reason to me for reading and studying the scriptures along with teaching.
Rom. 15:4 For everything that is written from ancient times is written for our teaching, that by patience and by comfort of the Scriptures we should have hope.

[SIZE=16pt]I read the bible, but it does not teach me. The Holy Spirit is my teacher, and he may use the bible as a text book to help teach me.[/SIZE]

Wormwood · Nov 23, 2014

The Holy Spirit wrote the Bible. The Holy Spirit is not at odds with his own writing, nor does He need to supernaturally illumine someone to understand what He has written in the Scriptures, otherwise "inspiration" is meaningless. Why would inspiration mean anything if no one can learn anything from the Bible without some kind of special illumination where the Holy Spirit drops truth supernaturally down in your head? Scripture says plainly that the Scriptures are useful for "teaching" , correcting, rebuking, and training in all godliness. It does not say that Scripture is useful for teaching...only if you have the Holy Spirit specially illuminating you because the Bible is a inaccessible otherwise. Rather, unbelievers are challenged to hear and believe the inspired words of the Scriptures that they may find life in them.

Born_Again · Nov 23, 2014

If you don't study the Bible, how do you know what your hearing from the Holy Spirit is correct? I guess I just feel that if you walk with Christ, you will read his word, study it, and know it. There is more than just inspiration in the Bible. There are commands and teachings in it too!! You should always read the word of God if you have the time. If not, make the time!!!

aspen · Nov 28, 2014

Studying the Bible is important and will help you grow spiritually. I think we need to do this with a light touch. - if not, our knowledge of scripture can lead to spiritual pride or idolatry.

Enquirer · Nov 29, 2014

Johnlove said:
[SIZE=16pt]I show you by using scripture, that the only way one can come to know God is if he or she allows God to teach them.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.-----------“[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Scripture also tells us that the Holy Spirit will teach us everything.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 2: 27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you; the anointing he gave teaches you everything: you are anointed with truth, not with a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.” [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Scripture also tells us that if one sins he or she has never seen God nor knows God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Now tell me how many people do you know of that believe the bible will bring one to know God, have stopped sinning?[/SIZE]

Johnlove I truly believe that you are sincere but you are sincerely wrong.

For a start, you conveniently left out verse 13 which seriously messes with your doctrine of placing the Scripture second after the Holy Spirit's
personal revelation.
Which I might add He never does apart from Scripture, but you don't know that because you clearly cannot interpret Scripture properly.
Furthermore, you discredit the power of the word of God as weak and ineffectual, again because of your ineptitude to rightly divide the
word of truth.

So, let me flesh this out for you.

1) Conveniently ignoring verse 13 of 1 Cor 2, so I'm going to quote it here for you to ponder on,

And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual

With what does Paul say that the Spirit of God reveals to us the deep things of God ?

Words ... words, that do not come from man's human wisdom but words which He the Holy Spirit sees in the depths of God.
And what words are these ?

For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 2 Pet 1:21

And if you continue reading all the way to 2 Pet 2:21 you discover what that word was/is,

For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment
delivered to them.

What word was delivered to them by the Holy Spirit ? ... the Holy commandment ! ... The word of God, the Scriptures.

This is the "deep things" which the Holy Spirit sees in the heart, mind and will of God and then reveals to mankind.
The Holy Spirit does not set the word of God aside, when He speaks, He speaks the word of God.
To confirm this with another Scripture let's turn to Zech 7:12,

They made their hearts diamond-hard lest they should hear the law and the words that the LORD of hosts had sent by his Spirit through the
former prophets. Therefore great anger came from the LORD of hosts.

The revelation of the deep things of God which the Holy Spirit delivers are the "words of the Lord of Hosts", the same thing that 1 Cor 2:13 says.
And those words are the word of God, the Bible, the Scriptures.
You have to be incredibly spiritually blind not see this.

2) The word of God is weak and ineffectual in aiding a person to break free from sin as per your viewpoint.
Let me quote your incredibly ignorant statement;

[SIZE=16pt]Now tell me how many people do you know of, that believe the bible will bring one to know God, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]have stopped sinning?[/SIZE]

So you don't believe that the word of God has any power to transform a persons life ?
Are you for real ?
What Bible do you have, no, seriously, I would like to see your copy because it definitely isn't the same as the rest of our Bibles no matter the
translation.

For a start let's look at 1 Pet 1:22 - 23,

Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart,
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

The word of God is what got you born again and obedience to it purifies your soul !
Purifies your soul, purifies your soul, purifies your soul, purifies your soul, purifies your soul, purifies your soul, purifies your soul !!!!!!!!!!

But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were
committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations.
For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as
slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

Obedience to the standard of teaching - the word of God - given to us by Paul from the Holy Spirit leads to sanctification.
YOU have to OBEY the word of God, an act of YOUR will, and when YOU DO IT, YOUR obedience to will sanctify you.

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning
the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Heb 4:12

The word of God is living, it's alive, it's not dead and weak.

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. John 6:63

The word, said Jesus is spirit and is life ... life, life, life, life, life, life !!!!!!!!!

that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, Eph 5:26

What sanctifies/cleanses you ?
The word, when you read the word and do the word it cleanses you, it sanctifies you, sets you apart from sin.

I could spend the whole day quoting Scripture after Scripture but I'm going to end it here.

Lastly, I honestly do want to thank you, I have so enjoyed this short Bible study, keep it up, keep throwing your outrageous unbiblical theories
my way, they give me excellent opportunities to hone my Biblical studies as Paul said to Timothy,

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15.

Cheers Bro

and keep it up.

aspen · Nov 29, 2014

I am wondering if we could make this process any more mechanical? It's ironic that a conversation involving the HS is so formulaic.....

Our relationship with God is always dynamic - we are the ones who try to make it a step by step process. It is our need to control....lassoing truth with complex structures of Law. On the other hand, throwing out truth by mistaking it for Law is going in the opposite direction.

Here is what helps me separate truth from Law - truth needs no defense. If it is not truth, it will whither on the vine....be threshed from the wheat and fall away like chaff. So in application - the Bible is truth, as is the HS - the order in which we encounter these truths is arbitrary; as arbitrary as assigning chapter and verse to the scriptures or claiming that a certain translation is more divinely inspired than all the rest - worrying about that or defending it is a waste of time.

The boredom generated from following all the human rules or even spending time musing over them will hopefully cause unavoidable sleep; beats getting burned

Honestly, it Is one of the main reasons I stay away from Catholic chatrooms - I could careless about the order of the Mass or which colors belong to which seasons - and I certainly do not want to spend even a minute debating subjects like that.....and unfortunately, I have run into entire subcategories on Catholic sites devoted to procedure - which is certainly not the reason I became Catholic.

Johnlove · Nov 29, 2014

Enquirer said:
Johnlove I truly believe that you are sincere but you are sincerely wrong.

For a start, you conveniently left out verse 13 which seriously messes with your doctrine of placing the Scripture second after the Holy Spirit's
personal revelation.
Which I might add He never does apart from Scripture, but you don't know that because you clearly cannot interpret Scripture properly.
Furthermore, you discredit the power of the word of God as weak and ineffectual, again because of your ineptitude to rightly divide the
word of truth.

So, let me flesh this out for you.

1) Conveniently ignoring verse 13 of 1 Cor 2, so I'm going to quote it here for you to ponder on,

And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual

With what does Paul say that the Spirit of God reveals to us the deep things of God ?

Words ... words, that do not come from man's human wisdom but words which He the Holy Spirit sees in the depths of God.
And what words are these ?

For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 2 Pet 1:21

And if you continue reading all the way to 2 Pet 2:21 you discover what that word was/is,

For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment
delivered to them.

What word was delivered to them by the Holy Spirit ? ... the Holy commandment ! ... The word of God, the Scriptures.

This is the "deep things" which the Holy Spirit sees in the heart, mind and will of God and then reveals to mankind.
The Holy Spirit does not set the word of God aside, when He speaks, He speaks the word of God.
To confirm this with another Scripture let's turn to Zech 7:12,

They made their hearts diamond-hard lest they should hear the law and the words that the LORD of hosts had sent by his Spirit through the
former prophets. Therefore great anger came from the LORD of hosts.

The revelation of the deep things of God which the Holy Spirit delivers are the "words of the Lord of Hosts", the same thing that 1 Cor 2:13 says.
And those words are the word of God, the Bible, the Scriptures.
You have to be incredibly spiritually blind not see this.

2) The word of God is weak and ineffectual in aiding a person to break free from sin as per your viewpoint.
Let me quote your incredibly ignorant statement;

[SIZE=16pt]Now tell me how many people do you know of, that believe the bible will bring one to know God, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]have stopped sinning?[/SIZE]

So you don't believe that the word of God has any power to transform a persons life ?
Are you for real ?
What Bible do you have, no, seriously, I would like to see your copy because it definitely isn't the same as the rest of our Bibles no matter the
translation.

For a start let's look at 1 Pet 1:22 - 23,

Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart,
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

The word of God is what got you born again and obedience to it purifies your soul !
Purifies your soul, purifies your soul, purifies your soul, purifies your soul, purifies your soul, purifies your soul, purifies your soul !!!!!!!!!!

But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were
committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations.
For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as
slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

Obedience to the standard of teaching - the word of God - given to us by Paul from the Holy Spirit leads to sanctification.
YOU have to OBEY the word of God, an act of YOUR will, and when YOU DO IT, YOUR obedience to will sanctify you.

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning
the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Heb 4:12

The word of God is living, it's alive, it's not dead and weak.

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. John 6:63

The word, said Jesus is spirit and is life ... life, life, life, life, life, life !!!!!!!!!

that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, Eph 5:26

What sanctifies/cleanses you ?
The word, when you read the word and do the word it cleanses you, it sanctifies you, sets you apart from sin.

I could spend the whole day quoting Scripture after Scripture but I'm going to end it here.

Lastly, I honestly do want to thank you, I have so enjoyed this short Bible study, keep it up, keep throwing your outrageous unbiblical theories
my way, they give me excellent opportunities to hone my Biblical studies as Paul said to Timothy,

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15.

Cheers Bro and keep it up.

[SIZE=16pt]I know from God that one who sins is not a Spiritual Christian.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]In fact one who sins is of the devil. Scripture tells us that. I believe the written Word of God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work” [/SIZE]

Born_Again · Nov 29, 2014

I think we all agree it is important to follow and understand scripture. The notion of being able to led by the Holy Spirit without scripture is blind. I truly don't feel you can know what you are even doing or representing if you don't know scripture. If anything, it's common sense. You can throw scripture at me saying I'm wrong but come on people.... Ludacris!!!

Johnlove · Nov 30, 2014

Born_Again said:
I think we all agree it is important to follow and understand scripture. The notion of being able to led by the Holy Spirit without scripture is blind. I truly don't feel you can know what you are even doing or representing if you don't know scripture. If anything, it's common sense. You can throw scripture at me saying I'm wrong but come on people.... Ludacris!!!

[SIZE=16pt]Human common sense will never bring one to understand the spiritual.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]God makes sure he or she knows it is him teaching them. When the Holy Spirit/Jesus is leading and teaching someone there is no need for the written Word of God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]If someone who God has called to teach, or to give a word, then those people will find the written Word of God, use full. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The written Word of God gives confirmation to people that have yet come to know of God. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]No spiritual person needs to study the bible, because God will instill in him or her all the knowledge, and more knowledge, then the written Word can ever do. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]A spiritual person reads the written Word, and God gives him or her the true understanding. Reading the Word and studding the Word are not the same.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Reading and letting God give one the true understanding is one thing.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Studding the Word means one is trying to figure out what the Word is telling him or her.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 2: 27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you; the anointing he gave teaches you everything: you are anointed with truth, not with a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.” [/SIZE]

Enquirer · Nov 30, 2014

@ Johnlove ... I would like to apologise for the incredibly rude way in which I responded to you ... I am sorry.
Irrespective of your beliefs there was no need for my bad behaviour.
The whole concept of rebuke in public and apologise in private does not work for me.

Johnlove, I understand what you are saying my brother, but John is speaking about a person who sins habitually, as an example, imagine
that I watch porn - which I don't - but let's for arguments sake say I do, and I don't want to stop.
I love this sin, I indulge all the time, I refuse to let go ... this is what John was speaking about, a person who refuses to let go of a bad habit.

This is different from a person who is living a godly life and slips up from time to time.
Let's be real, we all blow it from time to time.
God does not come down on us like a ton of bricks, He understands that we still contend with the flesh, and He has in his incredibly mercy
made provision for us to forgive us if we confess our sins to him and repent.

That's why John says in 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 2:1 that when we sin ... not if we sin, but when we sin, that we can ask God to forgive us and
He will.

John wrote his letter to believers not unbelievers, so he was acknowledging that Christians do sin.
Remember Jesus said that you will know them by their fruit (Matt 7:16), that is, you will know them by the behaviour that you constantly see
manifest in their lives ... not a one time done deal.
Ok so I sinned once so I am of the devil ... no, it's if you constantly see bad fruit then you know that their heart is not right and they have been
taken captive by their flesh and the devil is the inspiration behind that.

The concept that a Christian never sins and is of the devil is also a direct contradiction of James 5:15 - 16 which says,

And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great
power as it is working.

Would God heal a child of the devil ?
No, He heals his children and forgives them if they have sinned.

Johnlove · Nov 30, 2014

Enquirer said:
@ Johnlove ... I would like to apologise for the incredibly rude way in which I responded to you ... I am sorry.
Irrespective of your beliefs there was no need for my bad behaviour.
The whole concept of rebuke in public and apologise in private does not work for me.

Johnlove, I understand what you are saying my brother, but John is speaking about a person who sins habitually, as an example, imagine
that I watch porn - which I don't - but let's for arguments sake say I do, and I don't want to stop.
I love this sin, I indulge all the time, I refuse to let go ... this is what John was speaking about, a person who refuses to let go of a bad habit.
[SIZE=16pt]You may believe that is what John was saying, but you are totally wrong.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]John said the following, and in no way does what he said support what you want to believe.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did” [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Jesus did not sin. Christians don’t sin. Does not sound like John was saying: “habitually” sinning does it?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 3:9) “No one, who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]One begotten by God will not sin at all. There is no room in what John said for: “habitually”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Again: “habitually”[/SIZE]

Click to expand...

This is different from a person who is living a godly life and slips up from time to time.
Let's be real, we all blow it from time to time.
[SIZE=16pt]Speak for yourself. You don’t know all. A Spiritual Christian does not sin, because God protects him or her from Satan/sin.[/SIZE]

God does not come down on us like a ton of bricks, He understands that we still contend with the flesh, and He has in his incredibly mercy
made provision for us to forgive us if we confess our sins to him and repent.

[SIZE=16pt]Again that is just your understanding, and if you are not one who has been given the knowledge of the truth, and are still an infant in Christ, then it is God’s Word that will be your judge on the last day.[/SIZE]

That's why John says in 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 2:1 that when we sin ... not if we sin, but when we sin, that we can ask God to forgive us and He will.
[SIZE=16pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Yes let us take a good look at the scripture you quoted.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1John 1: 1-9) “Something which has existed since the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have watched and touched with our own hands, the Word of life -- this is our theme. That life was made visible; we saw it and are giving our testimony, declaring to you the eternal life, which was present to the Father and has been revealed to us. We are declaring to you what we have seen and heard, so that you too may share our life. Our life is shared with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. We are writing this to you so that our joy may be complete. This is what we have heard from him and are declaring to you: God is light, and there is no darkness in him at all. If we say that we share in God's life while we are living in darkness, we are lying, because we are not living the truth. But if we live in light, as he is in light, we have a share in another's life, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin. If we say, 'We have no sin,' we are deceiving ourselves, and truth has no place in us; if we acknowledge our sins, he is trustworthy and upright, so that he will forgive our sins and will cleanse us from all evil.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]After one is cleansed is he or she lying if they say they have no sin?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]John was talking about people who before being baptized saying that had no sin.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Notice John said one would be cleanse from all evil. Sinning is evil. Sins are evil, and being cleansed means one will not have evil in him or her any more.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 2:1-2) “I am writing this, [/SIZE][SIZE=16pt]my children[/SIZE][SIZE=16pt], to stop you sinning; but if anyone should sin, we have our advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, who is just; he is the sacrifice that takes our sins away, and not only ours, but the whole world’s.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Here John is talking to children/infants in Christ and telling them they have a just judge who will give each one a just judgment. Those who were righteous would receive a good reward. Those who were evil will get his or her just punishment.[/SIZE]

John wrote his letter to believers not unbelievers, so he was acknowledging that Christians do sin.
Remember Jesus said that you will know them by their fruit (Matt 7:16), that is, you will know them by the behaviour that you constantly see
manifest in their lives ... not a one time done deal.
Ok so I sinned once so I am of the devil ... no, it's if you constantly see bad fruit then you know that their heart is not right and they have been
taken captive by their flesh and the devil is the inspiration behind that.

[SIZE=16pt]Again there is no support for such an understanding if a person has received the knowledge of the truth, and deliberately commits a sin.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Acts 5:1-11) the Fraud of Ananias and Sapphira-----------“[/SIZE]

The concept that a Christian never sins and is of the devil is also a direct contradiction of James 5:15 - 16 which says,

And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great
power as it is working.
[SIZE=16pt]Do you know if James was referring to Spiritual Christians or not? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]It may have been understood by those who James was writing to that Spiritual Christians did not need to be forgiven of any sins.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Your assumption seems to say that was not the case, and then your assumption contradicts what Apostle John said and what Hebrews says.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Also it would seem that God was very mean to Ananias, and Sapphira for not giving them a chance to ask for forgiveness. [/SIZE]

Would God heal a child of the devil ?
No, He heals his children and forgives them if they have sinned.

[SIZE=16pt]Let me repeat a previous post I made.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]I am eighty years old. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]For the first forty years I tried very hard to live a righteous life. Went to Church every day, and did all I could do to not sin.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]But no matter how hard I tried the devil would always win, and I would sin.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Then I was given the Holy Spirit, and Jesus started teaching me. God gave me the grace to defeat Satan/sin.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]That was the difference before receiving the Holy Spirit it was only me trying to be good. No one can defeat Satan/sin, without God doing the work for him or her.[/SIZE]

aspen · Nov 30, 2014

Yet, I've never met a person in my life who loves perfectly........

Johnlove · Nov 30, 2014

aspen said:
Yet, I've never met a person in my life who loves perfectly........

[SIZE=16pt]Have I met any people who are spiritual to where God has made a home in them?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Only a few. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Until I met my wife it never even accrued to me that anyone could totally live God’s Word.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]I know there are many people who live sinless. But as of yet God has not let me know them.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Jesus, when I was first in his ministry gave me seven different visions of my walk with him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]One of the visions had Jesus standing on a podium teaching in a huge amphitheater. This amphitheater was filled with men, and only one seat was open, and Jesus motioned for me to take that seat. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]No, in my forty years of giving the word Jesus has had me give, there have not been many who even received the word with any belief.[/SIZE]

aspen · Nov 30, 2014

Hmm....

Wow, and I thought Yale had impossible standards.......

Well, if it is your desire to belong to such an exclusive club, which seeks to go forth and preach impossible standards and fire and brimstone for all who fail, you will certainly not be the first.

At least the Cathars, who believed the same heresy, also accepted deathbed conversions so their followers didn't have time to sin.....

Good luck!

Johnlove · Nov 30, 2014

aspen said:
Hmm....

Wow, and I thought Yale had impossible standards.......

Well, if it is your desire to belong to such an exclusive club, which seeks to go forth and preach impossible standards and fire and brimstone for all who fail, you will certainly not be the first.

At least the Cathars, who believed the same heresy, also accepted deathbed conversions so their followers didn't have time to sin.....

Good luck!

[SIZE=16pt]If there was something off with what has been shared by me then there would be scripture to confirm that.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]All you have done is mock what I have shared.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]They also mocked Jesus. [/SIZE]

aspen · Nov 30, 2014

All you have done is mock what I have shared. They mocked him too

Actually, I think mocking is all you have been able to interpret from my posts, John. Conversely, you are the person telling me your negative opinions about my posts without bothering to understand them, like declaring what I have written to be "fantasy" and dismissing the rest.

And by the way......comparing how I am treating you to how Jesus was being treated on the Cross!?! REALLY.........that is one heck of a martyr complex!

Just so you understand where I am coming from.......I know Jesus and you are no Jesus.

Keep practicing your sanctification, my friend!

Born_Again · Dec 1, 2014

John 8:31
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;

Seems pretty clear to me.....

Johnlove · Dec 1, 2014

Born_Again said:
John 8:31
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;

Seems pretty clear to me.....

[SIZE=16pt]The following scripture lets one know if he or she is in Jesus’ word of not.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](1 John 3:9) “No one, who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt](Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”[/SIZE]

Enquirer · Dec 1, 2014

Yeah, you know Johnlove, you are on your own dear brother ... no one else has that revelation you have.
And picking on aspen, myself, Born_again, and the rest of us doesn't do you any good either.
We all wish that we were perfect like you and Jesus ... you know, not sinning ever.
Pray for us bro.

Does one need to study the bible?

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