The Wisdom of the Wise will Vanish

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[SIZE=medium]The Wisdom of the Wise will Vanish[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] Isaiah 29:14, 1 Cor. 1:19-21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]That this prophecy is true today, is proved by the almost total lack of understanding of God’s plans for our future by Christians and by the proliferation of theories, ideas and pure fiction about end times events. Also, as is prophesied in Isaiah 29:9, those who believe false teachings will become locked into them and be unable to discern or comprehend the truth of what will happen. 2 Thess. 2:11[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]The Lord says: I frustrate false prophets and make fools of diviners. I reverse what wise men say and make nonsense of their wisdom. Isaiah 44:25, Romans 1:22 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt] Jesus says: I thank You Father for hiding these truths from the learned and wise and revealing them to the simple. Matthew 11:25-26, 1 John 4:4-5[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Daniel is told: Keep these words secret and seal them up until the time of the end…only a few wise leaders will understand. Jeremiah 23:20[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]From the above Bible quotes, we see that there are two types of ‘wise’ people. Those who promote theories, ideas and doctrines that are not fully supported by scripture and those few who search all the prophesies and discern the truth of the end time events. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Here are some of the theories, ideas and fanciful notions that abound today:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]1/ The Return of Jesus is the next event. This is totally refuted by 2 Thess. 2:1-4[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]2/ The wrath of God all happens at the Return. To move the Sixth Seal – stated to be the wrath of God and the Lamb, means shuffling the given sequence of Revelation. The Wrath of God, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, His coming IN the clouds, Psalm 18:7-15, Hab. 3:4 is described quite differently and happens years before the Return ON the clouds. Matthew 24:30, Rev 19:11[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]3/ The ‘rapture’. A removal of Christians to heaven before the Day of Wrath. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that at any time, alive or dead, will any humans go to live in heaven. John 3:13 We are earth creatures and as believers in God and Jesus, we have work to do on earth, our destiny is to be ‘a light to the nations’[/SIZE]. Isaiah 42:6
[SIZE=11pt]4/ The Jews are Gods chosen people. To say this not only abrogates the redemptive work of Jesus for all mankind, but also ignores God’s promises to the Patriarchs and His plan for all the Israelites, whom He watches and cares for. Jer. 16:17, Amos 9:9[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]5/ There will be a World War 3. Or an economic meltdown, or some other man caused problem will trigger the end time events. It is prophesied over 70 times that the Lord will send a judgement/punishment of fire to destroy His enemies. Isaiah 30:26,Matthew 3:12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]6/ Preterism. The belief that all the prophesies are fulfilled or abrogated by Christ. They deny the historical facts, refute Nahum 1:1 and all the yet to be fulfilled prophesies. Psalm 110:5-6, Matthew 3:12, Revelation 1:1[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]7/ Revival must come first. Actually this is correct, but that revival will be instigated by the 144,000, Rev 14:1-7. They will go out from New Israel in pairs, as the precedent in Luke 10.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]8/ The lack of teaching on the Prophetic Word. Preachers shy away from any mention of prophecy and judgement, so the people have no real knowledge of end time events. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]9/ The need to avoid the ‘mark of the beast’. Rev 13:16-17 But Rev. 7 tells us God’s servants are marked with ‘the seal of God’[/SIZE]. God’s people, ‘from every tribe, nation and language’ are gathered in the holy Land, the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
[SIZE=11pt]10/ Apathy. The sheer carelessness and laziness of not attempting or trying to understand what a large proportion of the Bible is informing us. Deut. 32:28-29, 2 Peter 1:19[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]For now, as we are in the Church age, Ezekiel 14:1-10 applies. This passage says if the Israelites, that is: the Lord’s people, ‘set their hearts on sinful things, then the Lord will give to them the beliefs they desire’. So anyone who wishes to avoid God’s wrath by ‘going to heaven’, or want to think nothing much is yet to happen, then the Lord will allow them to believe that and it will make an understanding of the truth difficult for them. Jeremiah 6:10[/SIZE]
 

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Okay, Keras. After reading this I understand where you are coming from. That was laid out pretty well. So in response to this post, this is why it is so important to know the Word. It is the one constant that is difficult if not impossible to discredit. Maybe you can help me with some scripture to back this up: Are we not warned of false prophets? That being said, when someone writes their own book (ex. Book of Mormon) are they saying that they are the exception? How can someone, who knows the Word of God believe what the false prophet is saying? Are they in fact denying the Word so it will work for them? :blink:
 

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[SIZE=medium]Thanks, Born again. Yes, we see plenty of deniers of the Word. Those who believe they will go and live in heaven, despite there being no scripture that says that, are a prime example. It is not going to be a pretty sight when those who have misled anyone stand before Jesus. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 56:9-12 All you beasts[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] of the open country and the forest, come and eat your fill. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]For all of Israel’s watchmen are blind, perceiving nothing,[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] they are all as dumb dogs that cannot bark, dreaming and sleeping. They are like greedy dogs that can never be satisfied, they are shepherds unable to understand the truth, as they go their own way. They say: Come let us fetch wine, strong drink and we will swill it down. The future will be the same as today or better still! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 29:9-10 If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], if you blind yourself, you will stay blinded. Be drunk, but not with wine, for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor. He has closed the prophetic vision and sealed the means of discerning the future to you.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Jeremiah 14:11-13 The Lord said to me: Do not pray for the wellbeing of this people. Though they fast and worship Me, [but not in spirit and in truth] I shall not listen to their cry on the Day of My punishment. But Lord – their leaders and pastors say to them: you will not face the terrible sword of judgement and [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]they preach prosperity and escape from tribulation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Jeremiah 14:14-16 The Lord answered me: These are lies that your leaders are misleading the people with. I have not sent them, I have not given them My commission, or spoken to them. They are giving out false teachings, useless advice and their own foolish daydreams. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] Therefore, I say about those teachers and pastors who speak falsely in My Name, they will meet their end in My Day of wrath, I shall pour down upon them the disaster they deserve. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]2 Timothy 4:3-4 The time will come when people will not stand sound teaching, but each will go after their own desires and will only listen to teachers who give pleasant and easy outcomes. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]People will refuse to listen to true scriptural teaching[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. They will only believe fables and fanciful notions.[/SIZE] 1 Tim 1:7 Ref: REB.

[SIZE=medium]My comments:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Beasts of the field’[/SIZE], foreigners, non Israelites. Those who have ‘[SIZE=medium]encroached onto the[/SIZE] holy Land’. Jeremiah 12:14
[SIZE=medium]Israel’s watchmen perceive nothing’[/SIZE], the veil that hides the true knowledge of God’s Word is upon them, because of false beliefs. Deut. 29:4
[SIZE=medium]If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused’[/SIZE], Even when the truth is presented to people who think they have it all sorted, they just cannot see it. Jeremiah 6:10
[SIZE=medium]They preach prosperity[/SIZE], the prosperity theology that gives a sense of false security [SIZE=medium]and escape from tribulation’[/SIZE], The very wrong and pretentious idea of a pre tribulation rapture, that lulls people into thinking they need do nothing.
[SIZE=medium]‘People will refuse to listen to true scriptural teaching’, [/SIZE]2 Peter 2:1-3
[SIZE=medium]But for those who make the effort to overcome the false teachings, the fictional books that proliferate on the book stalls, the movies and all the rubbish on the internet, there is hope: Psalm 78:1-8, Isaiah 55:1-3, Psalm 25:8-9, Psalm 27:11-12, Psalm 32:8, 2 Peter 1:19 [/SIZE]
 

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[SIZE=11pt]The Bible has plenty of information on how the Lord’s plans have been fulfilled in the past and what we can expect in our future. Also, according to His plan, very few will truly understand the full scope and implications of future events. Daniel 12:10 Some reasons for this are:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]1/[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] Those who may profess to be Christian, but in their hearts are not: 1 Cor. 14:22b[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]1 John 4:4-6 Believers in Christ, you belong in God’s family and you can discern false prophets because the God who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. The world listens to the teachings of worldly people, but we belong to God and whoever knows God pays heed to the truth, those who are not His people cannot comprehend the prophetic message. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 29:13-14 The Lord says: Because this people worship Me with empty words and pay Me lip service, while their hearts are far from Me and their religion is but human precepts, learnt by rote; therefore I shall shock them and shock again and their wisdom and discernment will be lost. Matthew 7:21-23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]2/[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] Belief in false teaching, leading to a fixed mindset of wrong ideas: [/SIZE]Ezekiel 14:3-5
[SIZE=11pt] The prime example of a false teaching is the pre-tribulation rapture. This idea denies many Scriptures that say; all will be tested, 1 Peter 4:12, Luke 21:35. This leads to a careless attitude toward prophecy. If you believe you are good enough and sufficiently holy to be taken directly to heaven, then you will be judged for judging yourself. Humility and trust in the Lord’s saving grace, Isa 30:15, must be our attitude, not the pretentious belief of a removal from the earth to avoid any perceived difficulties. In John 17:15 Jesus asks for protection, not removal and in John 3:13 No one will go to heaven, only He who came from it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]2 Peter 2:1-3 In the past, there were false prophets among the people, just as now you will have false teachers. They will promote their theories and speculations, twisting Scripture to suit their fanciful notions. Many will follow their sheer fabrications and credulous people will make them rich and famous, but judgement waits for them: a long prepared destruction will fall upon their heads. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Jeremiah 23:16-17 The Lord says: Do not listen to your false prophets, who give you false hope and voice their own fancies, it is not the Lord’s Words they speak. They say: ‘prosperity will be yours’ and to all who follow their devious beliefs: ‘No harm will befall you’. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 29:9-12 The Lord says: I will place My spirit of mis-understanding upon all those who are ‘drunk, but not with wine’ [that is: who allow themselves to be fooled by false teachings], so it becomes impossible for them to see the truth[/SIZE]. Isaiah 8:16
[SIZE=11pt]3/ Preterism and non-literal interpretation[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt] To think that all prophecies have been fulfilled or they are just metaphors and allegories, is a serious error that leaves those who believe that way, without proper knowledge or understanding about the end times. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]2 Peter 1:19 We confirm the message of the prophets, to which you will do well to study; it will enlighten your minds, like a lamp shining into a dark place. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]4/[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] Denial or straight out refusal to try to comprehend the prophesies[/SIZE]:
[SIZE=11pt]Ezekiel 33:31-33 My people will listen to the prophets, but they will not take any action. Fine Words, they will say but with insincerity, for their hearts are set on selfish gain. When disaster strikes, as it will, then they will know the truth of prophecy. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 48:3-6 Long ago, I announced what will happen, but because of your stubbornness and your refusal to accept instruction, you think everything can be explained by chance or by natural occurrence. You read the Word, consider it well and admit the truth of it. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Hosea 9:7 The Day of punishment and vengeance comes and all Israel will know it. Their prophets are fools and their wise leaders are like madmen, because they are all deep in enmity with God and He will remember their guilt. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Revelation 22:7b…Happy is the person who takes to heart the Words of prophecy in this Book.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged and paraphrased. [/SIZE]
 

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That is absolutely correct. His people will know. We will be prepared for His Glorious return. Good scripture.
 

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[SIZE=medium]It is unfortunately true that the more people who study the prophetic scripture and attempt to establish a coherent picture of the end times, then the more different ideas, theories and scenarios are promulgated. WHY IS THIS?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The Bible does tell us why and the prophet Daniel says that ‘only a few wise leaders’[/SIZE], that is: those few who diligently study the Word and avoid all false teachings and doctrines, will know what will happen.

[SIZE=medium]Luke 18:32-34 The Son of Man will be handed over to the Gentiles. He will be mocked, maltreated and spat upon, then flogged and killed. Then on the third day, He will rise again. But the disciples could not understand or grasp what He was talking about, for [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]its meaning was concealed from them.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 29:9-14 Because [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]this people[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] worship Me with empty words and just pay Me lip service while their hearts are far from Me and their religion is but human precept, learnt by rote: therefore I shall shock them, adding shock to shock. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]The wisdom of their learned people will vanish and the discernment of the intelligent will be lost. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] If you confuse yourselves, you will stay confused.[/SIZE] If you blind yourself, you will stay blinded. Be drunk, but not with strong drink, for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor, He has closed the eyes of the prophets and muffled the seers. The prophetic vision of it all has become for you like the words of a sealed book, a book impossible to understand.
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 56:10-11 For all Israel’s watchmen are blind, perceiving nothing, they are all dumb dogs that cannot bark just dreaming as they sleep in ignorance. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Israel’s shepherds understand nothing, all going their own way in their greed and false teachings.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Ref: REB paraphrased[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] ‘its meaning concealed from them’[/SIZE], This shows how God can and does hide true understanding from those whom He wishes to. Deut. 29:4, Matthew 11:25
[SIZE=medium]this people’,[/SIZE] this refers to followers of Judaism and Christianity. Ezekiel 12:2
[SIZE=medium]wisdom and discernment will be lost’[/SIZE], because of false doctrines, non Biblical teachings and outright idol worship, the Lord has drawn the veil of inability to understand His plans and purposes. Deuteronomy 32:28-29, Isaiah 6:9-10, Jeremiah 6:10
[SIZE=medium]if you confuse yourself, you will stay confused’,[/SIZE] people who have believed the comfortable idea of a rapture, or say ‘[SIZE=medium]all is peaceful, all secure’[/SIZE], will be shocked by the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the soon to happen judgement/ punishment of His enemies.
[SIZE=medium]‘Israel’s watchmen understand nothing, in their greed and false teachings’[/SIZE], Those who preach incorrect doctrines and who write end times fiction, will face a more severe judgement on that great Day. James 3:1, Matthew 23:10, 2 Peter 2:1-3

[SIZE=11pt]Ecclesiasticus 15:1-10 He who fears the Lord will act thus: He will give his mind to study and will meditate on understanding and if he masters the Law, wisdom will be his. Wisdom will come out and greet him like a mother, like a bride to her husband and his food will be the bread of understanding, his drink: the water of wisdom. He will rely on her and not be put to shame. He will find prosperity and in the assembly, his words will be inspired. Fools will never possess wisdom, nor will sinners catch a glimpse of her. She holds aloof from arrogance and liars never see her. REB Apocrypha[/SIZE]
 

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[SIZE=medium]Who is wise enough to understand? [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]In these last days of the present era, scripture tells us that the Church will, in general, be compromising and have many different ideas of what the future holds. But there are believers who are willing to listen to teaching based soundly on the Word, as presented to us through the prophets. It will be these believers who will be better prepared to face these end time challenges and afflictions. Especially keep in mind that God’s promises are addressed to the faithful remnant who truly believe and trust in Him and only that remnant will be protected on the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, Joel 3:16, then later; during the terrible time of Satan’s domination, Rev 12, until the glorious Return of Jesus. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]It is seriously bad that many pastors and teachers base their eschatology on traditional doctrines of their denomination or particular theological school, and thereby fail to carefully ascertain what scripture really means. Or when a text does not fit their current beliefs, then they allegorise it, spiritualise it, throw it into history, or twist it to fit however they think how God should act. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]1 Timothy 3:1-9 Remember; there will be turmoil in the latter times. People will follow their lustful desires, loving their pleasures rather than their God. Their leaders preserve the outward form of religion, but deny its power. Those, so called teachers cause their followers to believe false theories and doctrines, so they are always wanting to hear nice things, but are incapable of attaining the knowledge of the truth. The day will come when they will be recognised for the fools they are. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Matthew 13:10-15 Why do You speak to the people in parables? He replied: To you disciple’s, it has been granted to know the secrets of the Kingdom, but not to them. For those who have will be given more [/SIZE][understanding of the Prophetic Word] [SIZE=medium]and those who have not, [/SIZE][those who fail to grasp the truth, who put it aside, or believe false teachings] [SIZE=medium]will forfeit what they have. The prophecy of Isaiah 6:9-10 is being fulfilled in them. For people look without seeing and listen without hearing or understanding, their minds have become dull because they have stopped their ears and shut their eyes to the Word and failed to gain true understanding and acted upon it to bear fruit. [/SIZE][Matt 13:23]
[SIZE=medium]Jeremiah 6:10 To whom shall I speak, to whom give the warning? Who will hear me?[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]This peoples ears are blocked, they are incapable of listening. They treat God’s Word as a reproach and it has no appeal to them.[/SIZE] Jer. 9:12, Isaiah 28:9-10
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 29:9-11 If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused....[/SIZE][That is: if you believe false teachings and doctrines] for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor.....the prophetic vision of it all has become for you like the words in a sealed book.
[SIZE=medium]1 Corinthians 1:20 Where are the men of learning now? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. [/SIZE]Matthew 11:25
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 35:3-5 Steady yourself, be strong – fear not. Your God comes to save you, with [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]His vengeance and retribution[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped. [/SIZE][After the Day of the Lord’s wrath] Isaiah 32:3-4
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 42:18-19 You that are deaf; hear now! You that are blind; look and see! Who is so blind and deaf as My servants and messengers, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the ones who have My trust[/SIZE].
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 29:22b-24 This is no time for Jacob to be shamed or frightened, [/SIZE][during His vengeance and retribution] [SIZE=medium]for they will praise Me when they see what I have done for them. THEN, the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction.[/SIZE] Isaiah 44:8, Isa 45:19
[SIZE=medium]Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses condensed.[/SIZE]
 
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Interestingly enough, in these last days I have found my faith growing, not because someone is preaching to me but by His works I have seen in my life and the love He has filled me with. And at the same time, so many have falsely taught His word and bent it to meet their needs, justify their actions. This is one reason I don't have a church I belong to. I read His word, I have faith, I praise His works, and share His love. I am lead by the Holy Spirit.
 

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The issue I have is that since The King departed everyone has said end days.

And Yeshua said we wouldn't know.

Yet here we are carrying on like we have an inkling of what is going on and missing the point of why we're here.

I'll never understand the energy waste for looking to the future. A future we don't know when is coming.
 

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That's why I just celebrate each day and live for Him.