The Commitments of Men to Christ

John 7: 18He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.How can the commitments of men not represent the glory of men?

Isn't that the reason that the just shall live by faith for that faith is in Christ as that faith represent Him?

When people judge men by their commitments as in making a meaningful commitment or being fully committed, how is it not referring to the flesh? How is it not the will of man?John 1: 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Hi goldy,
No, it's not just by faith. It's faith working through love of neighbor.James 2:26, Faith without works is deadGal.5:6 Only thing that counts is faith working in loveI've got more, but these should suffice for now
In keeping with the thread's topic:Isn't that the reason that the just shall live by faith for that faith is in Christ as that faith represent Him?That question was in regards to this first question in the first post in regards to the scriptures.John 7: 18He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.How can the commitments of men not represent the glory of men?To give it more application to our walk with the Lord as in when we speak of our commitments to Christ:When people judge men by their commitments as in making a meaningful commitment or being fully committed, how is it not referring to the flesh? How is it not the will of man?John 1: 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.So in touching on your reply so you may see what I am addressing here, when you love others and find some impossible to love, where do you go to in order to find the love you need to love aothers? Jesus. Isn't love one of the fruits of the Spirit? So then it isn't in man's flesh to love our enemies, is it? And in applying faith in Our Enabler to love one another, then where is the commitments of men in regards to the things of God's? How can they boast of their commitments to Christ if no flesh shall glory in His presence?Understand that I am not speaking againts following Jesus. I am referring to the false testimony of man when they speak of their commitments to Christ as if they can do God's work in them or through them by their will and flesh in keeping that commitment to Christ.Incidentally, James was speaking of the unloving treatment of the poor in that they were "excersizing" their faith by telling the poor to be warmed and to be filled as if by saying it, God will take care of them, and yet how does it profit the poor? How does it save them when they are starving and naked to the elements? Thus when the poor see them with the goods collected and yet unwilling to meet their needs, in the eyes of the poor, the faith of the "faithsayers" was dead since they were unwilling to part with their goods to meet the needs of the poor... and trust God to provide for them as well as the poor for tomorrow's needs. It is like a doctor at a free clinic exercisizing their faith by turning away treating the poor by saying, "Be healed... and be whole" So James wasn't about salvation in regards to the faith that saves. He was referring to the poor in regards to the faith issued by the faithsayers in saving the poor. It was an abuse of faith as well as lack of love for thy neighbor since they were also treating the rich with favoritism over the poor during service as well.But yes, we are to love one another as Christ loved us, but no, James wasn't about the faith of salvation, but issuing faith to get out of helping the poor. We are saved by grace that it may be through faith. That is His glory. And the commitments of men is of man in which no flesh shall glory in His Presence. So that is why the just are "identified" as His by faith in Christ and by our love for one another, but we are saved by grace that it may be through faith in which Jesus gets all the glory and thanksgivings as Saviour.

Hi Jag!
The whole point here is...We should NEVER add works unto salvation, since Christ alone is the Salvation. No works are required...If works are required, it is no longer Grace of God, is it? The answer is NO!
I agree, Jag! I have seen how hype gets believers challenged in taking on a yoke to prove their loyalty to the Lord or their love for the Lord, while forgetting these verses:Galatians 3: 1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.2 Corinthians 3: 5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2 Corinthians 4: 5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Hi Unorthodox Christian!I agree!Ephesians 2: 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.Alot of times, evangelicals leaves out verse 10.But in regards to the thread's topic:John 7: 18He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.How can the commitments of men not represent the glory of men?When people judge men by their commitments as in making a meaningful commitment or being fully committed, how is it not referring to the flesh? How is it not the will of man?John 1: 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.Isn't that the reason that the just shall live by faith for that faith is in Christ as that faith represent Him? Isn't living the christian life is from the power of God?

Hi kriss,
One can not truly claim to be a Christian without Works becoming a part of who they are.
I don't know about the claiming part. Seems to me that if they love one another and profess Christ Jesus as their Saviour, they would not need to make a claim, but some verses come to mind here.Romans 4: 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.As for those that would deny Him,... this would give me pause,...2 Timothy 2: 11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.Of which leads to my belief of judgment falling on the House of God first, but I shall not digress. Still, the topic is :John 7: 18He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.How can the commitments of men not represent the glory of men?