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UppsalaDragby said:
Don't give false testimony against your brother.
Uppsaladragby here is an excerpt from your post # 561 (emphasis mine):

"NO, we are NOT "obligated" to keep the 10 commandments due to the fact that we are
not under those commandments. But don't even TRY for a second try to twist this around, which sabbatarians have the habit of doing, to making it seem that I am saying that it is OK to indulge in practices that are directly contrary to them."

Here's my condensed version of that statement:
"We are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments, but we are not at liberty to act contrary to them."

How is this a dishonest misrepresentation of your original, lengthy (and ridiculous) statement and why do you accuse me of "false testimony" when I share it with others?
 

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UppsalaDragby said:
Well look at that. According to your own standard of judgement you are absolutely hysterical.

I just finished saying that "I have never said that the law has passed away" and yet you ignore that with this nonsensical comment. Get back to me when you have invested in a pair of glasses. I can't be bothered with such ignorance.
Hysterical? By bold typing the key words for comparison/constrast? Upp, a person doesn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to surmise that there are holes worn completely through your keyboard where the "!", "Caps", "Bold", "Underline" and "Italics" buttons used to be.

OK, so we agree that the Ten Commandments still exist and that the passing away of the Old Covenant has no bearing whatsoever on their existence. Great.

The following demonstrates every single one of the Ten Commandments in the N.T. so now you may safely abandon your ridiculous idea that "we are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments, but we are not at liberty to act contrary to them."



First Commandment-
OT:Exodus 20:3;Deuteronomy 5:7
NT: Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:8; Revelation 14:7

Second Commandment -
OT: Exodus 20:4-6; Deuteronomy 5:8-10
NT: Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-20; Ephesians 5:5

Third Commandment -
OT: Exodus 20:7; Deuteronomy 5:11
NT: Matthew 5:33-37; 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7

Fourth Commandment -
OT: Exodus 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15
NT: Luke 4:16; 23:55-56; Acts 17:1-2; 18:4; Hebrews 4:9; 1 John 2:6

Fifth Commandment -
OT: Exodus 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:16
NT: Matthew 15:4-9; 19:19; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 1:29-30;Ephesians 6:1-3

Sixth Commandment -
OT: Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17
NT: Matthew 5:21-22; 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 1:29-30; 13:9

Seventh Commandment -
OT: Exodus 20:14; Deuteronomy 5:18
NT: Matthew 5:27-28; 19:18; Mark 10:11-12, 19; Luke 16:18; 18:20; Romans 7:2-3; 13:9

Eighth Commandment -
OT: Exodus 20:15; Deuteronomy 5:19
NT: Matthew 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 13:9; Ephesians 4:28;1 Peter 4:15; Revelation 9:21

Ninth Commandment -
OT: Exodus 20:16; Deuteronomy 5:20
NT: Matthew 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; Acts 5:3-4; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 4:25

Tenth Commandment -
OT: Exodus 20:17;Deuteronomy 5:21
NT: Luke 12:15; Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:3, 5


For further study, read the articles in this section: “The 10 Commandments and God's Way of Life.”
 

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The Barrd said:
I don't think he likes you, Phoneman.

But if you had a dollar for every time he used the !, you could be my best friend! ;)
It's a shame b/c I like him! There ain't a one of us that doesn't have at least one annoying habit and I resolved long ago that if people are going to accept me with all my monumental faults, then I dang sure will overlook theirs. I'm certain that he loves Jesus as much as any of us and if the Holy Spirit ever convicts him of the truth regarding the Sabbath, I expect that I'd see him in church with a big smile on his face and I will make a bee line to sit next to him...so I can poke him in the ribs while smiling ear to ear. LOL
 

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Phoneman777 said:
It's a shame b/c I like him! There ain't a one of us that doesn't have at least one annoying habit and I resolved long ago that if people are going to accept me with all my monumental faults, then I dang sure will overlook theirs. I'm certain that he loves Jesus as much as any of us and if the Holy Spirit ever convicts him of the truth regarding the Sabbath, I expect that I'd see him in church with a big smile on his face and I will make a bee line to sit next to him...so I can poke him in the ribs while smiling ear to ear. LOL
Now, that is something worth praying for.
I wouldn't mind being present for that beautiful scene, myself.
 

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I would like to know what we can agree upon, in regard to the scriptures. So, I will make a few separate statements and ask who agrees with what!


1) Salvation is by grace alone through faith in the redemptive act on the stake by Yeshua.

2) Yeshua fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant in full, died on the stake, and by his resurrection instituted the New Covenant.

3) The New Covenant contains all of the laws and promises of the Adamic, Noahide, Abrahamic, Mosaic, and Davidic Covenants, but changes how they are implemented in both Jew and Gentile.

4) The New Covenant expressly states that all of the laws will be written on our hearts.

5) Jews are still enjoined to all the Mosaic Covenant laws, continue to keep the Covenant promises of the Mosaic Covenant, but are granted salvation in Yeshua, and grace through Yeshua for failing to keep them perfectly.

6) Gentiles are granted salvation by faith alone in Yeshua, and are to keep the Noahide Laws and the Acts 15 Laws as stated in the Apostolic Writings to the best of our ability without condemnation.

7) It pleases YHVH and Yeshua if we walk in love, and keep all the commandments recommended in all of the Apostolic Writings of the Brit Chadashah, all of which refer back to the previous covenants, to the best of our ability and understanding but not under any penalty by G-d or man, except as is provided for in the courts of civil law.

8) Keeping the Sabbath on Saturdays as a day of rest in your home is particularly pleasing to YHVH and Yeshua, and that it is wise to remember and honor the Saturday Sabbath because and only because it pleases YHVH and because He sanctified it as a day that is special to Him.
 

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Forgive me for butting in but I have a question for you Sabbath keepers:

Jesus seemed to have a big problem with Pharisees the way they kept Sabbath, and Jesus did not keep the way they kept. Why do think that is?

Thank you.
 

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Ah...the Pharisees were about the rules of man for the Sabbath, and not the stated commandment of G-d. Yeshua was about Scriptural requirements, though he himself probably was very careful not to go a hairs breadth past what the majority were doing at the time. The only thing Yeshua was insistant about was not adding to the Torah, and doing good on Shabbat as well as any other day, particularly since as a traveling Rabbi/Prophet/Healer he wasn't going to be there the next day.

G-d commanded only four things for the Sabbath. Prepare your food ahead of time; do no work; remember and honor the Sabbath rest in your Tent (Home); and have a Holy Convocation...a separated meeting...with family and G-d in your Tent (Home). Eventually not kindling fires was added, and gathering or carrying large loads, because that was work.

Then, presumably, everything was fine with no work, rest, and talking G-d Stuff at home with no great fuss being made...people tended to gather to hear the word read or discussed as Moses wrote it down, and so forth, but it was never commanded, except by man, to attend any church or synagogue...at least, not that I can find in Scripture.

People use the Holy Convocation as a rule to go somewhere, but that was to be done in your tent, so the convocation had to be with family and G-d, or it makes no sense. Traditions happen though, and rules get made for other reasons (like the King needing to write his own Bible...even though there wasn't a king for a very long time) that get grafted onto everybody, not to mention that people have a tendency to group think when they should just obey G-d, and not do what sounds like a good idea by someone who wants to do something different. Doing the same is a lot easier.

In the Talmud it is written that rules as to what was work and what wasn't work was based on what people did in building the Tabernacle in the wilderness, but even so G-d only rested from Creative work, so that is what I do. I prepare food ahead of the day, because it is creative, and then I enjoy the day, focusing on G-d Stuff.

I try to keep people from doing things for me on Saturdays, but it is hard to convince people that I really would prefer they just visited with me and talked G-d, and leave whatever needs fixing for another day. If they are upset by that, and need to work, however, I let them. My friends tend to get more restful than they used to, but since I don't require them to do anything I do, and merely recommend it as a way to please G-d, no one make's a big thing about it. It is not required of Gentiles, but I understand from the Holy Spirit's request that I 'consider' keeping the Sabbath that it is a good thing to do.

I feel no condemnation when I inadvertantly do something I have told myself not to do on Saturdays...I just apologize for not remembering what I decided to do on my Sabbaths, and then move on. No one Sabbath is ever the same, but all are done in an attempt to honor G-d's wishes...not man's. I once took a Sabbath rest from trying to keep the Sabbath so hard that I was doing it 24/7...and spent one Sabbath reading novels, which Orthodox Jews have no problem with.

Alas, the Pharisees of all generations love to tell others what they must do, because they think it a good idea. I keep the Sabbath because Yeshua kept the Sabbath, and because the Holy Spirit asked me to consider it. Imagine, G-d not ordering me to, just asking. So I considered, and began to keep it.

It is hard to separate from the world, and hard to focus on G-d for 24 hours, not doing your own will or pleasure, and I don't do it well. I just keep practicing, knowing that G-d will eventually write it into my being, and I will finally do it perfectly. Mostly, I just rest, and talk to G-d, read about G-d, sing about G-d, and talk about G-d, but it is never every minute of the day, and I rather doubt that it can be until it is written within us. But that is where the legalists will begin, and say that you must.

Gentiles are saved by faith alone, but even Abraham got circumcised, and figured out how to love people well! We Believers in Yeshua have an entire Bible, and do next to nothing as a body of Believers except say how much we love people. No wonder Christians are believed by the world to be hypocrites...we look like it.

However, loving G-d is about pleasing Him, so I try to by keeping the Sabbath, and advise others to do the same, as did Isaiah.

Isaiah 58:13-14 (KJV)
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.


Isaiah 58:13-14 (CJB)
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“If you hold back your foot on Shabbat from pursuing your own interests on my holy day; if you call Shabbat a delight, Adonai’s holy day, worth honoring; then honor it by not doing your usual things or pursuing your interests or speaking about them.
14 If you do, you will find delight in Adonai— I will make you ride on the heights of the land and feed you with the heritage of your ancestor Ya‘akov, for the mouth of Adonai has spoken.”
 

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Phoneman777 said:
Uppsaladragby here is an excerpt from your post # 561 (emphasis mine):

"NO, we are NOT "obligated" to keep the 10 commandments due to the fact that we are
not under those commandments. But don't even TRY for a second try to twist this around, which sabbatarians have the habit of doing, to making it seem that I am saying that it is OK to indulge in practices that are directly contrary to them."

Here's my condensed version of that statement:
"We are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments, but we are not at liberty to act contrary to them."

How is this a dishonest misrepresentation of your original, lengthy (and ridiculous) statement and why do you accuse me of "false testimony" when I share it with others?
I have already explained, time and time again, what I meant by that Phoneman. You know it, and so do I, so give it a rest, OK... I am sick of the way you constantly pick out isolated comments, try to disfigure what is said, and ignore everything else. I challenged you a long time ago to answer my questions. You failed.

Now try to live according to the commandments you claim that you keep, and stop pretending that you are sinless when you obviously are not. If you did that then we would all get along a lot better. You have succeded in turning this thread into a discussion about how long my posts are, what state of mind I am in, and how many exclamation marks I use. OK, you have succeeded in your noble mission. Stuff like that bores me and so I am following the advice I have been given to drop out of this thread. So why don't you respect that and move on...

However, I will make one last challenge to you and if you accept it I will continue to discuss this issue with you:

1) debate this issue based on scripture, without adding to, or expaining away anything it says.

2) do not use any ad-hominim attacks, or rely on other logical falacies such as strawmen, non-sequturs or anything like that.

3) show that your theology harmonizes with the rest of scripture.

If your answer is yes, then I will meet you on even terms. I won't use exclamation marks, I won't underline anything, I won't use caps.. or anything else you have complained about.

So what do you say?
 

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Joyful said:
Forgive me for butting in but I have a question for you Sabbath keepers:

Jesus seemed to have a big problem with Pharisees the way they kept Sabbath, and Jesus did not keep the way they kept. Why do think that is?

Thank you.
Because they had added a lot of traditions to it.
Jesus explained that it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath.
He told them that the Sabbath was never meant to be a burden...but rather "the sabbath was made for man", rather than the other way around.
He proclaimed Himself "Lord of the Sabbath."
 

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I would like to know what we can agree upon, in regard to the scriptures. So, I will make a few separate statements and ask who agrees with what!


1) Salvation is by grace alone through faith in the redemptive act on the stake by Yeshua.

2) Yeshua fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant in full, died on the stake, and by his resurrection instituted the New Covenant.

3) The New Covenant contains all of the laws and promises of the Adamic, Noahide, Abrahamic, Mosaic, and Davidic Covenants, but changes how they are implemented in both Jew and Gentile.

4) The New Covenant expressly states that all of the laws will be written on our hearts.

5) Jews are still enjoined to all the Mosaic Covenant laws, continue to keep the Covenant promises of the Mosaic Covenant, but are granted salvation in Yeshua, and grace through Yeshua for failing to keep them perfectly.

6) Gentiles are granted salvation by faith alone in Yeshua, and are to keep the Noahide Laws and the Acts 15 Laws as stated in the Apostolic Writings to the best of our ability without condemnation.

7) It pleases YHVH and Yeshua if we walk in love, and keep all the commandments recommended in all of the Apostolic Writings of the Brit Chadashah, all of which refer back to the previous covenants, to the best of our ability and understanding but not under any penalty by G-d or man, except as is provided for in the courts of civil law.

8) Keeping the Sabbath on Saturdays as a day of rest in your home is particularly pleasing to YHVH and Yeshua, and that it is wise to remember and honor the Saturday Sabbath because and only because it pleases YHVH and because He sanctified it as a day that is special to Him.
 

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Joyful said:
Forgive me for butting in but I have a question for you Sabbath keepers:

Jesus seemed to have a big problem with Pharisees the way they kept Sabbath, and Jesus did not keep the way they kept. Why do think that is?

Thank you.
The Pharisees introduced many of their own rules which they falsely claimed Moses did not write down, but spoke in the manner known as "ex cathedra", or "from the seat of Moses", and claimed such as the authority and power behind these rules. <_<

Similarly, the Catholic church claims the Pope from time to time speaks "ex cathedra" to invest power and authority in their many corrupt, pagan doctrines because they know Scripture actually opposes them.

The plain principle of Sabbath keeping is found in the commandment itself and Jesus' example: "Don't do any unnecessary work that can be performed before or after the Sabbath so that you can enjoy uninterrupted rest and communion with God that is not possible on the other six days in which you toil and sweat for your bread. By Jesus refusing to adhere to the false Sabbath laws of the Jews, He showed that the Sabbath was not intended to be the burden that Satan had led these false teachers to present it, but a BLESSING to the people.
 

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I have a problem with the RCC that they changed Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and so many did not question about it.. It seems clear to me RCC mixed Christianity with pagan religion.

And again, His followers should be honoring God and Jesus everyday, not just one day a week.
 

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UppsalaDragby said:
I have already explained, time and time again, what I meant by that Phoneman. You know it, and so do I, so give it a rest, OK... I am sick of the way you constantly pick out isolated comments, try to disfigure what is said, and ignore everything else. I challenged you a long time ago to answer my questions. You failed.

Now try to live according to the commandments you claim that you keep, and stop pretending that you are sinless when you obviously are not. If you did that then we would all get along a lot better. You have succeded in turning this thread into a discussion about how long my posts are, what state of mind I am in, and how many exclamation marks I use. OK, you have succeeded in your noble mission. Stuff like that bores me and so I am following the advice I have been given to drop out of this thread. So why don't you respect that and move on...

However, I will make one last challenge to you and if you accept it I will continue to discuss this issue with you:

1) debate this issue based on scripture, without adding to, or expaining away anything it says.

2) do not use any ad-hominim attacks, or rely on other logical falacies such as strawmen, non-sequturs or anything like that.

3) show that your theology harmonizes with the rest of scripture.

If your answer is yes, then I will meet you on even terms. I won't use exclamation marks, I won't underline anything, I won't use caps.. or anything else you have complained about.

So what do you say?
Upp, my brother, you are perhaps one of the most confused Christians I've ever talked with, because you somehow see a difference between "breaking the Ten Commandments" and "acting contrary to the Ten Commandments".

Brother, give me just one example of "acting contrary to the Ten Commandments" that isn't "breaking the Ten Commandments". Is telling what's known as a white lie not lying? Is casting one's first attention and affection upon a celebrity or professional sports team or player not "having other gods before God", in light of the fact that whatever receives your first attention and affection is your God? Just one example is all I need.
 

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Joyful said:
I have a problem with the RCC that they changed Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and so many did not question about it.. It seems clear to me RCC mixed Christianity with pagan religion.

And again, His followers should be honoring God and Jesus everyday, not just one day a week.
Contrary to some of the false claims made here, Christian church kept the seventh day Sabbath all over the Christian world EXCEPT for Alexandria, the capital of Satanic occultism, and in Papal Rome, which Bible prophecy fingers as the Antichrist. Historians bear record to this, and it is dishonest to take statements from the ancient church leaders who promoted the keeping of Sunday as a means to deny the plain historical record, as some have done here. Some Christians kept the Sabbath all the way up beyond 1,000 years after Christ, like the Coptic Christians in Africa.

Not resting on the six days on which God commanded work to be performed does not dishonor Him. We are to honor Him every day, but we are to rest and spend quality time with Him on the one day He prescribed - the Sabbath. Believe me, when you're working, hours and hours go by without even thinking about God, not because you choose to ignore Him, but because work demands that you shift you focus to whatever you are trying to obtain daily bread. God knows this, and that is the reason for the Sabbath and if one wishes to receive the blessing that God placed in no other day, the Sabbath must be observed - the most delightful and invigorating day of the week!
 
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Phoneman777 said:
Upp, my brother, you are perhaps one of the most confused Christians I've ever talked with, because you somehow see a difference between "breaking the Ten Commandments" and "acting contrary to the Ten Commandments".

Brother, give me just one example of "acting contrary to the Ten Commandments" that isn't "breaking the Ten Commandments". Is telling what's known as a white lie not lying? Is casting one's first attention and affection upon a celebrity or professional sports team or player not "having other gods before God", in light of the fact that whatever receives your first attention and affection is your God? Just one example is all I need.
Phoneman, as I said, I have already explained what I meant by that, and yet you see to think that this whole discussion is centered around a single comment I made that actually demanded an explanation. If I explain what I mean by my comments then you complain that my posts are too long. If I don't you twist my words around.

Now what I am trying to do is clean this thread up of things that should not be found in a discussion among Christians. The following is as much a commandment from the Lord as anything else in the Bible:

"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,


and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will." (2 Tim 23-26)


So what I am offering you is to drop the kind of inflamatory remarks you made above and start over again with the will to respect these verses.

So I am asking you once again. Do you accept my challenge - to discuss this in a civil manner, without rhetorical and inflamatory remarks, without twisting someone elses words, without avoiding questions, and doing everything with a clear conscience.

Yes or no?
 

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UppsalaDragby said:
Phoneman, as I said, I have already explained what I meant by that, and yet you see to think that this whole discussion is centered around a single comment I made that actually demanded an explanation. If I explain what I mean by my comments then you complain that my posts are too long. If I don't you twist my words around.

Now what I am trying to do is clean this thread up of things that should not be found in a discussion among Christians. The following is as much a commandment from the Lord as anything else in the Bible:

"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,


and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will." (2 Tim 23-26)


So what I am offering you is to drop the kind of inflamatory remarks you made above and start over again with the will to respect these verses.

So I am asking you once again. Do you accept my challenge - to discuss this in a civil manner, without rhetorical and inflamatory remarks, without twisting someone elses words, without avoiding questions, and doing everything with a clear conscience.

Yes or no?
Let it go, Upp. If you think that what I have posted as Biblical support for Sabbath keeping is bogus, then so be it. I love Jesus and I love the little microcosm of heaven that is the once a week Sabbath rest. You've shown me what you believe is Biblical support for no Sabbath and I've shown you what I believe soundly disproves what you claim is support. We are at an impasse. I'm not interested in discussion the issue any further with you.
 

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Joyful said:
I have a problem with the RCC that they changed Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and so many did not question about it.. It seems clear to me RCC mixed Christianity with pagan religion.

And again, His followers should be honoring God and Jesus everyday, not just one day a week.
The SDA has a problem with what the RCC has done here as well. So, don't you find it strange that the SDA will still use the RCC calendar to find their sabbath every week? They don't even know when the sabbath is. I find that rather hypocritical for a church to know so little about the sabbath when their very name claims that they know all about it. They do not honor the sabbath as they claim, because they can't even find it.
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Phoneman777 said:
Let it go, Upp. If you think that what I have posted as Biblical support for Sabbath keeping is bogus, then so be it. I love Jesus and I love the little microcosm of heaven that is the once a week Sabbath rest. You've shown me what you believe is Biblical support for no Sabbath and I've shown you what I believe soundly disproves what you claim is support. We are at an impasse. I'm not interested in discussion the issue any further with you.
Thought so.
 

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The SDA has a problem with what the RCC has done here as well. So, don't you find it strange that the SDA will still use the RCC calendar to find their sabbath every week? They don't even know when the sabbath is. I find that rather hypocritical for a church to know so little about the sabbath when their very name claims that they know all about it. They do not honor the sabbath as they claim, because they can't even find it.
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It is so complicated. I am a simple Christian, and I don't understand organizational teachings and doctrines what to
follow. I do not want to be part of organizational churches.

We will be judged according to what we have done. We just do what convict us to believe.

God is seeking into our heart if we are sincere in our faith.

As for me, I focus on what Jesus teaches directly.

blessings.
 
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