False Christians, Phoneman.Phoneman777 said:
True followers of the Lord Jesus Christ would never endorse such evil thinking as this. These folks may think they're going to heaven...but Jesus will tell them that He never knew them.
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True followers of the Lord Jesus Christ would never endorse such evil thinking as this. These folks may think they're going to heaven...but Jesus will tell them that He never knew them.
1. Where in those passages does it say they escaped in 'the spotless truth of Jesus'? You're adding to scripture.Phoneman777 said:
2. Where does it mention the blood of Jesus? You are again adding to scripture.
3. You don't use Luke 16:19-31 to prove soul sleep, so why do you insist on using a parable to prove OSAS.
4. Either you have the root of salvation or you don't. God is not contradictory. Matt 13:21 NIV
5. Heb 6:1-8. Notice it says they fell away in Heb 6:6 NIV. It all goes back to the root of salvation Matt 13:21 NIV.
What's the difference between a believer doing these things and Hitler accepting salvation on his deathbed?Phoneman777 said:
Rom 6:14 NIV For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
1 John 3:6 NIV No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
1 John 3:9 NIV No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
1 John 5:18 NIV We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.
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If you believe that it's impossible for a saved person to repent Heb 6:4-6 NIV, but at the same time the Holy Spirit convicts, teaches and disciplines the saved person then God would be contradictory Matt 19:26 NIV. Focus on the words "impossible", "repentance" and "fallen away" in Heb 6:4-8. This is apostate language.
The premise of your entire belief is that a born again believer can be thrown into the lake of fire, when in fact the lake of fire is God's wrath poured out on nonbelievers Rev 14:10 NIV. And scripture clearly states that believers are not appointed to wrath!
The premise of your entire belief is that a born again believer can be thrown into the lake of fire, when in fact the lake of fire is God's wrath poured out on nonbelievers Rev 14:10 NIV. And scripture clearly states that believers are not appointed to wrath!
It is very interesting that you chose the term "apostate".ATP said:
Do you know what that word actually means?
Here is the definition of the term "apostate" from Mirriam Webster:
apostate
noun apos·tate \ə-ˈpäs-ˌtāt, -tət\
: someone whose beliefs have changed and who no longer belongs to a religious or political group
And here is the definition of "apostasy":
apostasy
noun apos·ta·sy \ə-ˈpäs-tə-sē\
plural apos·ta·sies
Definition of APOSTASY
1
: renunciation of a religious faith
2
: abandonment of a previous loyalty : defection
Just thought you'd like to know....
In other words, an apostate is someone who once had faith, but now he has renounced it. Apostasy is proof that OSAS is a lie.
Mjrhealth,heretoeternity said:
There is a reason God chose to write the Ten Commandments on stone.
Do you know what "written in stone" means?
Even if you don't, a casual run-through of those ten laws ought to tell you...Christians who are walking in love, as you claim to be...don't do those things.
Their beliefs have changed because they never had saving grace to begin with. They had no root.The Barrd said:
If one is truly saved, then one should want to do everything that is pleasing to God...How do you please God? By following the narrow path that leads to salvation, by following His commandments, and His Holy word, and honouring His Son, Jesus who died on the Cross as the Supreme sacrifice, so that God, by His grace would give us a way to redemption of our sins. How do we honour Jesus? By keeping His commandments John 14.15...As Hebrews says "I will write my commandments on their hearts and their minds, and I will be their God, and they will be my people....
Remember always, salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday,dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
Remember always, salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday,dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
In order to make a judgment like that, you would need to be able t see into their hearts.ATP said:
You would have to be God.
ATP....you are not God.
I am not God....I am not willing to go around pretending that I know who is saved and who isn't....because I know that eventually, I will be called to answer for every careless word that comes out of my mouth.
And so will you....
Didn't you say earlier that these people came out and confessed that they no longer believed? Christian turned atheist?The Barrd said:
It's impossible for a born again believer to go back to atheism, especially when you've been saved by grace.
Either you're indwelled with the Holy Spirit or you're not.
Why would someone lie about such a thing?ATP said:Didn't you say earlier that these people came out and confessed that they no longer believed? Christian turned atheist?
It's impossible for a born again believer to go back to atheism, especially when you've been saved by grace.
Either you're indwelled with the Holy Spirit or you're not.
If someone tells me that they lost their faith, my reaction will be to try to find out why, and if we can restore such a one to his faith.
It seems to me that such a person needs our compassion...not our condemnation.
No confusion, absoluely none. It is you lack of understanding of Love that has you all in this spot of bother, You should read Rom7, than go and read about the Law and whom God gave it to, than you should read about how Love fullfills all teh requirements of the Law because the law, teh 10 commandments could be kept by no man but Jesus. because He was perfect. You see the law even is this world was made to keep those who might think about doing evil from not doing so because there is a consequence, if you removed all teh laws from thsi world today, there would be many who would happily go about there businees withoud doing and bad thing, but being human ocaasionaly messing up. But like anythinhg if someone is gooing to do evil, no law on earth on in heaven will stop him. But Christ is Love, Christ commandemnt to us is love, why, simply, love doenst need teh law to not do evil since love is,.. well go and read about it in you bible. Than there are those who do not know love, they need the law, because without the law they have reason to sin, they need a threat of death hanging over them to not sin, where those who walk in love, like Christ can only love, you know the bit about " do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
And who is it by the way who goes about defaming me with words of evil. without evidence, than claims to hate sin so much, You know defamation in court can pay big money, but in this case it is simply lies and hate no more, Ceratinly not love.
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"If any man sin against Me, his name will I blot out of the book of life." - Jesus to Moses.ATP said:
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If you let Jesus in your heart and allow Him to "keep His commandments and do those things which are pleasing in His sight" through you and for you, seeing you cannot do them yourself, then you can fully expect to receive from Him eternal life.mjrhealth said:
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It is very possible for one to turn from God and become an atheist. I knew of one such man a few years ago. He told me how much he loved God and prayed prayers of faith and attended church regularly, and I think he even said he spoke in tongues, but the more he learned about evolution, the more he came to believe that religion was a man made cash cow that exploits people.ATP said:Didn't you say earlier that these people came out and confessed that they no longer believed? Christian turned atheist?
It's impossible for a born again believer to go back to atheism, especially when you've been saved by grace.
Either you're indwelled with the Holy Spirit or you're not.
You see, ATP, this man was a branch connected to the Vine and received from It the life giving sap, but his mistake was that he did not CONTINUE to abide in the Vine, and now is a branch cast forth and will be burned in the fire, unless he repents.
The man wasn't justified. It is with your heart that you are justified.Phoneman777 said:
I knew of one such man a few years ago? <_<
Phoneman, can you answer me this...
What's the difference between a believer doing those awful things and Hitler accepting salvation on his deathbed?
We should start with love.Phoneman777 said:
John 13:34-35 NIV “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
John 15:12 NIV My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
John 15:17 NIV This is my command: Love each other.
Gal 5:6 NIV For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
Gal 5:14 NIV For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
1 Tim 1:3-7 NIV As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
1 John 3:23 NIV And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
1 John 4:21 NIV And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
2 John 1:5-6 NIV And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
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