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The T.V. news is showing pictures of fireworks going of in Lebanon as Hezbolla celebrates and declares victory a lie they tell themselves there is no victor in this war,none of the problems are solved,Hezbolla will go on killing inocent people theirs,ours,or Israels,Israel will keep fighting for its survival more soldiers and civilations will die ,and the U.N. nd politicians will keep talking while more will die.Watching this celebration of Fireworks and gun fire,and surfing the net I was struck by this simple statment: (below)(made by an unknown Jew)NOTICE HOW THE MOSLEMS ARE CELEBRATING. BURYING OUR DEAD IS NO JOY TO US --WE HONER LIFEFOR THEM, IT'S WHAT THEIR LIFE IS ABOUT-- KILLING --MURDER --DEATH
 

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The body count speaks for its self.Hizbollah, who was supposed to be deliberately targeting civilians managed to kill 39.Isreal, who claimed to be using surgical strikes and avoiding the killing of civilians killed 588.Our cluster bombing of Belgrade killed over 3,000 civilians.Not to mention Dresdyn, Colonge, Berlin, Tokyo, Osaka, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Pyonyang, Hanoi, Hiaphong, Bagdad, Belgrade, Bagdad again. The sad truth is that the USAF has deliberately targeted and killed more civilians than all of the terrorist organizations combined. What did Paul say? "You are without excuse for those who judge for in the manner you judge, you judge yourself! For you do the same things."Is it not written "There are none rightous"?Any claim to how good "We" are and how evil "They" are in unbiblical.
 

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Any claim to how good "We" are and how evil "They" are in unbiblical.
So there's absolutely no difference in Christians in America and Muslims in other parts of the world no matter the beliefs?
 

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I have personally spent 13 years on submarines aiming nuclear warheads at cities.At the push of a button, we were able to kill more civilians than all of the previuous wars combined. Our very own abortion clinics kill more of our unwanted babies every day than those killed on 9-11. When we fire bomb cites and then go one step farther by spraying the fleeing civilians with diesel fuel, its called "Strategic Bombing" When the enemy returns the favor, we call it "Terrorism" The only real difference between "Us" and "Them" is that we do our dirty deeds from 20,000 feet up with high tech weapons.The USAF has targeted and killed more civian non combatants than all the worlds terrorists. Our suicide bombers have electronic brains, they achieve the same reults.I don't believe that standing before the Lord on Judgment day and saying "We were less evil them them!" is going to cut it. Either one is under grace or one is not. If one is under Grace, Even Hitler, Stalin, or yes Saddam would be able to enter Heaven if they kneel before the Cross like any other sinner.
 

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I have personally spent 13 years on submarines aiming nuclear warheads at cities.
Funny thing is, for that very reason you and I are here to talk about it. As you say, God is who we should look to. It's another shining example of how God can use the most horrible weapons of man to further his great plan. I hate to play "what if", but indeed what if nuclear weaponry had first come to the Soviets? Who's to say they would have stopped at Berlin? It's foolish to say that God doesn't control the mundane; that He doesn't bless one country over another. No race nor any human was perfect, however:1 Samuel 18:28And Saul saw and knew that the LORD was with David, and that Michal Saul's daughter loved him.The Lord was with David; the same David that murdered, went away from the Lord at times, and committed adultery. The Lord is with me every day; he's with this person that fails daily right here. As he told us in Hebrews "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." No one here is trumpeting the perfect America full of the perfect Christians.
I don't believe that standing before the Lord on Judgment day and saying "We were less evil them them!" is going to cut it. Either one is under grace or one is not. If one is under Grace, Even Hitler, Stalin, or yes Saddam would be able to enter Heaven if they kneel before the Cross like any other sinner.
It's not, neither is saying "hail allah" or another myriad of abominations. I'm not here to judge, God knows their hearts and mine for that matter. Let the Great Judger do all of the judging.
When we fire bomb cites and then go one step farther by spraying the fleeing civilians with diesel fuel, its called "Strategic Bombing" When the enemy returns the favor, we call it "Terrorism" The only real difference between "Us" and "Them" is that we do our dirty deeds from 20,000 feet up with high tech weapons.
You never managed to answer my responses in some of your other posts. What about God? There is a difference between and us and them; the same difference there was between those who God commanded Israel to destroy in the Old Testament. It's the same difference between Israel and Amalek. Good and evil exists. It's the world that tries to tell us otherwise; that we're all horrible people in a Godless world.
 

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There is a difference between and us and them; the same difference there was between those who God commanded Israel to destroy in the Old Testament. It's the same difference between Israel and Amalek. Good and evil exists. (Quote)And there is the problem. We think we are the right hand of God. That "We" Are Good and "They" Are evil. That we can be the good right hand of God and still abort 1.2 million babies a year, Divorce, cheat on our spouses, have babies out of wedlock, snort up, shoot up. toke up, and drink up. And WE want to invade other nations and make them like us?Yes, there is good and evil, ALL of us are evil and can only be saved by grace.There is no gospel of bombs and bullets. WE are not Isreal and WE do not have the same commandment Joshua had in the OT. Even Isreal was not commanded to do what they did in the OT beyond the borders of the land promised to Abraham.
 

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You never managed to answer my responses in some of your other posts. What about God? (Quote)That is the problem once again. As we pay lip service to God while still practicing the ways of the world, we arrogantly believe that we have some Holy covenant to smart bomb every nation that does not comply with out godless ways.God is in control. Not us with out "Wonder weapons" and while God will allow us to do his work, he never allows the arrogance we are currently displying to go unpunished.We are more like babylon than Isreal.
 

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WE are not Isreal and WE do not have the same commandment Joshua had in the OT.
You are quite mistaken there. I suppose you think the 42,000 of the House of Judah that returned to Israel after the captivity composed the entire House of Judah and Israel? You're missing no less than 10 tribes if you think that; that measly 42,000 is sure a change from the 600,000 fighting men of the Exodus (add women and children in there and you have a figure fast approaching 2 million total). Genesis 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;Those "missing" tribes were moved north in the first captivity of the House of Israel and migrated into Europe to become ancestors of many western peoples of today - particularly GB and the US. Hence the reason why Saxon derives from the old language "Sons of Isaac" and Britain means "Land of the Covenent" as the Welsh Triads themselves state. It seems that we've forgotten who we are and why we are here.Don't believe me? Check out Old Testament prophecy and see where there are two houses - one of Israel and one of Judah.
And there is the problem. We think we are the right hand of God. That "We" Are Good and "They" Are evil. That we can be the good right hand of God and still abort 1.2 million babies a year, Divorce, cheat on our spouses, have babies out of wedlock, snort up, shoot up. toke up, and drink up. And WE want to invade other nations and make them like us?
There's a fairly sizable portion of our population who doesn't do what you stated above, and does ultimately look to God and try to live their lives in the right way. God blessed us with the common sense to know good from evil; this is witnessed by the destruction of Amalek who attacked the rear elements of Israel and was all but wiped off the face of the earth. There was no appearance of God to tell the Israelites what to do, only later did He say that he'd wipe them off the face of the map AND that Israel should remember this example FOREVER. It sounds like you have forgotten it.I don't think it's possible to rationalize with you, though. As I've said before, immediately when someone says something you launch into this "Gospel of Bombs and Bullets" tirade which is exactly what the left does.
Yes, there is good and evil, ALL of us are evil and can only be saved by grace.
Flesh is corrupt, but there is a difference between being corrupt and being downright evil. Seems my point has been proven from this statement. We're indeed nothing compared to Our Father, but I certainly don't see that as an excuse to stick our heads in the sand when we're surrounded by evil. That's simply the worst logic I have ever heard.