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Famine [SIZE=14pt]Coming[/SIZE] Soon

Israel has gathered Zephaniah 1:14-2:3

Nations (ethnic groups) have risen against nations Matthew 24:7

Kingdoms are fighting Kingdoms Matthew 24:7

Great earthquakes are happening more often 24:7

Pestilences have started 24:7

Fearful sights and great signs have started in the heavens Luke 21:10-11

Can famine be far behind Matthew 24:7

All these are signs for the day of the Lord!
 

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Yep.....all the signs are there.....just like they were from the second He returned to the Father until the second the Father sends Him back to us! Amen!

Which is just about as specific as declaring a football player in the NFL is "playing as well as any other player out there!"

Those verses are meant to tell us that His return could happen at any moment.
 
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aspen said:
Yep.....all the signs are there.....just like they were from the second He returned to the Father until the second the Father sends Him back to us! Amen!

Which is just about as specific as declaring a football player in the NFL is "playing as well as any other player out there!"

Those verses are meant to tell us that His return could happen at any moment.
Matthew 24:6-8
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows. (as birth pains)

Yes most of the signs have been happening through the ages, but Jesus said that before he comes they would become harder and harder and more frequent as birth pains.
 

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That's still pretty broad though. You could have easily said WWII was it as well. Like aspen said, I think it is a good reminder to A. Keep the faith. B. Be prepared. Realistically, if we truly live for Christ, it shouldn't matter when he returns. We should actually welcome it.

Is famine coming. Most definitely. How soon? Not sure. You can only develop so much land and have so much of a population boom before you deplete resources. This is not what God had in mind. That being said, we should always be ready. He will only watch this for so long.
 

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Heck,I'm a member of 3 Christian forums and I can tell you for sure,the famine is already here

Amos 8:11 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:"

Amos 8:12 "And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and from to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it."
 

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I think this brings up an important issue - what is the purpose of prophets/prophecy and why is it important? Prophets were sent to provide an audit of Israel/church and they were hated for it like an auditor or meter maid. Prophecy is simply information that is true and points towards God - that is it. It is not fortune telling or future tripping or a magic eight ball without the ball. Now, sometimes, it includes future events, usually in the most general / global / symbolic way, but underneath, it is always the same message - get right with God or you are going to be in danger of the consequences of your Fallen Nature - it is specifically communicating our need to rely on Gods sovereignty in the OT; Christ's justification and the HS sanctification in the NT. No other detail matters. An example of a modernist prophet today is your dentist - make sure to floss and brush your teeth before they fall out - and you know how much dentists are loved! And you know how many people disregard their prescription. And you know how mundane we view the message - even though it is important.

Reading prophecy is more like observing an approaching comet than a meteor shower. Comets travel in deep space and can be observed indefinitely - meteors can only be viewed for an instant. Prophecy is a long term, constant message communicating the the same message - the good news of the gospel - turn away from your brokenness and once again, be vulnerable before God, as you were before the Fall. This message bores us because it requires action and a change in our mindset and behavior so we like to spice it up with esoteric ideas and magical thinking.

Because really.......how compelling is it to study ancient prophecy, to unravel symbolic details when you already know what is going to happen? Doing this in modern life would look like pronouncing a declaration every time we encountered a pattern of cause and effect or man made pattern of events - like declaring/predicting that a red traffic light will soon follow a yellow traffic light / winter will soon follow Fall / or Joseph Smith claiming to be profound by predicting the Civil War, 5 years before it happened rather than using the information it is conveying - The only reason we may compulsively do this is because we want to feel in control of the future rather than prepare for it. Prophecy is not meant to be viewed as esoteric - it is a beacon on a hill. Yet, somehow we get caught up dephering the details rather than embracing the message. In my opinion, the entire study of eschatology can be summed up in one sentence "stop playing with the packaging of your Christmas present and start mastering the use of the present inside".
 

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aspen said:
I think this brings up an important issue - what is the purpose of prophets/prophecy and why is it important? Prophets were sent to provide an audit of Israel/church and they were hated for it like an auditor or meter maid. Prophecy is simply information that is true and points towards God - that is it. It is not fortune telling or future tripping or a magic eight ball without the ball. Now, sometimes, it includes future events, usually in the most general / global / symbolic way, but underneath, it is always the same message - get right with God or you are going to be in danger of the consequences of your Fallen Nature - it is specifically communicating our need to rely on Gods sovereignty in the OT; Christ's justification and the HS sanctification in the NT. No other detail matters. An example of a modernist prophet today is your dentist - make sure to floss and brush your teeth before they fall out - and you know how much dentists are loved! And you know how many people disregard their prescription. And you know how mundane we view the message - even though it is important.

Reading prophecy is more like observing an approaching comet than a meteor shower. Comets travel in deep space and can be observed indefinitely - meteors can only be viewed for an instant. Prophecy is a long term, constant message communicating the the same message - the good news of the gospel - turn away from your brokenness and once again, be vulnerable before God, as you were before the Fall. This message bores us because it requires action and a change in our mindset and behavior so we like to spice it up with esoteric ideas and magical thinking.

Because really.......how compelling is it to study ancient prophecy, to unravel symbolic details when you already know what is going to happen? Doing this in modern life would look like pronouncing a declaration every time we encountered a pattern of cause and affect or man made pattern of events - like declaring/predicting that a red traffic light will soon follow a yellow traffic light / winter will soon follow Fall / or Joseph Smith claiming to be profound by predicting the Civil War, 5 years before it happened rather than using the information it is conveying - The only reason we may compulsively do this is because we want to feel in control of the future rather than prepare for it. Prophecy is not meant to be viewed as esoteric - it is a beacon on a hill. Yet, somehow we get caught up dephering the details rather than embracing the message. In my opinion, the entire study of eschatology can be summed up in one sentence "stop playing with the packaging of your Christmas present and start mastering the use of the present inside".
Aspen you ask what is the object or reason for prophecy?

Jesus warned the Christians in Jerusalem to flee when theysee Jerusalem surounded.

Luke 21
20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

They believed the the prophetic warning and left the city.

That same Jesus said there will be famines when the end is near.

So Aspen what will you and your family do?
 

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Eric E Stahl said:
Aspen you ask what is the object or reason for prophecy?

Jesus warned the Christians in Jerusalem to flee when theysee Jerusalem surounded.

Luke 21
20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

They believed the the prophetic warning and left the city.

That same Jesus said there will be famines when the end is near.

So Aspen what will you and your family do?

Continue to practice my sanctification by loving God and my neighbor. Same thing I would do if it was sunny out or there was rain; same thing I would do if WWIII started.

We have been circling the drain for 2,000 years +..........I got the message (which means I am no longer shocked by the information, nor do I find it extra-ordinary) and am putting the information into practice rather than adding mystery and intrigue to it.

Like I have written in the past; if the theater is on fire, are you going to be the guy running around yelling the obvious "FIRE!", while preaching the origin of the flames and assigning blame; or, someone who is helping people to the exit? I've noticed that many people's response to prophecy is "see God IS REAL", as if they are still secretly trying to prove His existence to themselves.......or "told you so!", as if the whole purpose of of life is to vindicate them! Believe me, if I find myself yelling "I told you so" at the Judgment, I will show myself to the door, because I obviously didn't learn a thing about loving outwardly.
 

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Continue to practice my sanctification by loving God and my neighbor. Same thing I would do if it was sunny out or there was rain; same thing I would do if WWIII started.

We have been circling the drain for 2,000 years +..........I got the message and am putting the information into practice rather than adding mystery and intrigue to it. Like I have written in the past; if the theater is on fire, are you going to be the guy running around yelling the obvious "FIRE!", while preaching the origin of the flames and assigning blame, or someone helping people to the exit?
Most have not gotten the message so I am trying to warn them.
 

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Most have not gotten the message so I am trying to warn them.
I disagree. I think most people know about Christian eschatology - in fact, I think it is the most preached about subject within Christianity. I think the problem is that people have no idea how to respond to it. It is sort of like when Christian tell people to pray and expect them to know how to do it.
 
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Hi Aspen, Your words, "I think most people know about Christian eschatology - in fact, I think it is the most preached about subject within Christianity."

In my opinion, I would say it's the 'least" preached subject in Christianity. Most of the churches I've attended or visited avoid the topic like the plague. They're afraid of being too 'controversial." Even Christians that may have watched the "Left Behind" movies don't "know" eschatology. I would say most Christians have a vague awareness of the topic but have little or no understanding of it at all, yourself included based your post #6 that closed on these words: "In my opinion, the entire study of eschatology can be summed up in one sentence "stop playing with the packaging of your Christmas present and start mastering the use of the present inside"

Don't you realize there is a special blessing for those that study eschatology (Rev. 1:3). It's not for everyone but we are all "called" to the areas of biblical studies that interest us. You also presume much when you state that believers can't have an interest in eschatology and still be "masters" of the rest of the written word. I would even dare say that those who really study eschatology have a far greater understanding of the whole of scripture than those that don't!

Of course you're free not to study it at all, but I would think twice before condemning those that do!
 

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Trekson said:
Hi Aspen, Your words, "I think most people know about Christian eschatology - in fact, I think it is the most preached about subject within Christianity."

In my opinion, I would say it's the 'least" preached subject in Christianity. Most of the churches I've attended or visited avoid the topic like the plague. They're afraid of being too 'controversial." Even Christians that may have watched the "Left Behind" movies don't "know" eschatology. I would say most Christians have a vague awareness of the topic but have little or no understanding of it at all, yourself included based your post #6 that closed on these words: "In my opinion, the entire study of eschatology can be summed up in one sentence "stop playing with the packaging of your Christmas present and start mastering the use of the present inside"

Don't you realize there is a special blessing for those that study eschatology (Rev. 1:3). It's not for everyone but we are all "called" to the areas of biblical studies that interest us. You also presume much when you state that believers can't have an interest in eschatology and still be "masters" of the rest of the written word. I would even dare say that those who really study eschatology have a far greater understanding of the whole of scripture than those that don't!

Of course you're free not to study it at all, but I would think twice before condemning those that do!
Thanks for your post, trekson,

Ok. We can disagree....we have obviously had different experiences. I am sorry you believe I am condemning people who study eschatology........I just don't see the point. As far as Left Behind - it is the last place I would go to for information on the end times - not a fan of Darby; definitely not a fan of pop-Darbyism.

All I am trying to say is, I care more about the message of the fire alarm and how to respond to it than the wiring. If you enjoy the study, all the power to you.
 

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It is my belief, that if we are walking with Christ, even though famine may be going on, we will never go without. If you truly live for Him, he will take care of you. Nor should we fear end times. We should welcome the opportunity to see Him and his Glory!!!
 
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Born_Again said:
It is my belief, that if we are walking with Christ, even though famine may be going on, we will never go without. If you truly live for Him, he will take care of you. Nor should we fear end times. We should welcome the opportunity to see Him and his Glory!!!
Born_Again,

God has prepared you for the famine. He has warned you so you could prepare as the ant. Read Foxs book of Christian Marters. Some times our death brings glory to God. Think of the witness you can have if you are the only one on your street that can share boiled wheat or corn when no one else has food!
 

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Yes, there is a famine coming -- both a famine of food and a famine of the word.


It is my belief, that if we are walking with Christ, even though famine may be going on, we will never go without. If you truly live for Him, he will take care of you. Nor should we fear end times. We should welcome the opportunity to see Him and his Glory!!!

Same can be said of persecution/tribulation. I’m continually amazed at the spirit of iniquity, for example, in that the body of Christ hasn’t already tossed the itchy-ear rapture bums out the door. These are perilous times and NOTHING is as it seems.

When a slick spirit of suicide tried to convince me to kill myself in Nov. 1996, I screamed out for Jesus and he appeared to me. My life has never been the same since. I asked the Lord to show me how Satan manages to deceive so many i.e. I wanted to know why the path to destruction is broad. He said, ‘Come with me’ -- which meant I had to come out of the system i.e. go off the grid. I sojourned for seven+ years in tents and other makeshift dwellings, usually in jungle settings, while the Lord showed me scam after scam, the deceptions of Satan, which revelations continue to this day.

Fear is a Satanic spirit that the Lord has not given us. Rather, the King has given his people the spirit of love, and of power, and of a sound mind. We are told not to worry about our food or our clothing. Why? Because the evil of today is enough to deal with already! My wife and I often remember the fact that the Word of God says nothing about a (permanent) dwelling place (which happens to fit right in with the biblical examples e.g. recall who also had “no certain dwellingplace”). In the first ten years since 1996, my wife and I have enjoyed at least 15 dwelling places at two continents. But God ‘s word has been true; we’ve always had plenty of food, never gone hungry. And plenty of clothing. I suspect we’re not to get ourselves attached to the mortgaged white picket fenced house (and our 2.3 children); rather, God comes first and foremost.


God has prepared you for the famine. He has warned you so you could prepare as the ant.

The Lord has clearly shown me, on three separate occasions, that I will be supernaturally provided for; I call them “manna visions.” However, this does not mean that God owes me, or you, his people, anything but a physical death (and yet still the right to the tree of life). For example, my wife’s friend has been told by the Lord that she will be killed for her faith. How’s that for a reality check? We’re all going to die, and I’m gonna try to make it the last thing I do, but how many of us have the “luxury “ of knowing how (and possibly when) you’re going to go out (other than a death row inmate)?


Read Foxs book of Christian Marters. Some times our death brings glory to God. Think of the witness you can have if you are the only one on your street that can share boiled wheat or corn when no one else has food!

Reading “Foxes” will blow you away; I very highly recommend that you read it ASAP. It will give you a much needed perspective. Everyone reading this now is living fat, even as most of you are in debt bondage. I would say this about debt: get out now, pay it off now, even if that means taking a loss. Asset forfeiture, not to mention debtor’s prison, is a reality today. Don’t wait until your back is up against your door with gov’t jack-booted thugs banging the other side, ‘cause then it will be too late. It’s nearly too late now. I’ve been at other countries. I’ve seen how 2nd and 3rd worlder’s live.

The Lord has shown me the situation and told me to prepare and provided the way for me to not only prepare but to prosper. I don’t know if such preparations will be for my family and me, or for someone else, and I don’t care to know. My role is to obey. I have left many preparations behind at previous dwelling places at other countries. The Lord undoubtedly has his purposes... If you don’t know what your purpose is in his kingdom, ASK him. Do it now, the hour is very late.
 

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Funny you should mention to ask God for my purpose. I recently did that and He showed me. God has saved me from poverty and need. He has shown me the miracles. Quick example, a few months ago I was going to be around $80 shy of what I needed to cover bills. Two days later, a settlement check from some past credit card company showed for how much.... you guessed it!! $80. Knock me over with a feather. That was right after I truly gave my life to Christ. Then the miracles kept coming!! That being said, it seems He was preparing my faith for much harder trial and tribulation as I am going through right now. But I'll tell ya, my faith will not waiver!!
 

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Funny you should mention to ask God for my purpose. I recently did that and He showed me. God has saved me from poverty and need. He has shown me the miracles. Quick example, a few months ago I was going to be around $80 shy of what I needed to cover bills. Two days later, a settlement check from some past credit card company showed for how much.... you guessed it!! $80. Knock me over with a feather. That was right after I truly gave my life to Christ. Then the miracles kept coming!! That being said, it seems He was preparing my faith for much harder trial and tribulation as I am going through right now. But I'll tell ya, my faith will not waiver!!
Born_Again,

It sounds like you are a new Christian so here are some tid bits from an old Sunday School teacher.

Revelation 4:11
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Hebrews13:12-16
12Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
13Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
14For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
16But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.