Faith With Disobedience

Raeneske · Jan 13, 2015

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There are far too many in our day and age that believe that all they have to do is simply believe, and they have heaven tapped. While it is true, that we are saved by grace through faith, and faith alone, it is also equally true, that we need to have faith in Christ and everything He came to do for us.

Did Jesus only come to die for our sins? Or did Jesus say He would free us from our sins also?

John 8:34-36 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

To have faith in Christ does not stop at believing He died for our sins. Having faith in Christ encompasses all that He has done for us. The Bible says that Christ makes us free from our sins. If then we are living still in our old ways, if we are still committing all the same sins we committed before met Christ, we ought to ask why are we in that same spot. It is not a lack of strength on the part of Christ. It is a lack of faith on the part of us.

Can we keep the law? If we cannot, it is only our fault. Christ said He would free us from sin, and either we believe that He can do it for us, or we do not. Either Christ has the power to make us obedient to God, to make us sons and daughters of God, or He does not.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Christ has the power to change fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, homosexuals, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners, to name a few. And it is not only the outward manifestation that Christ can change, but it is the inward manifestation of the heart. The inward changes first by the power of Christ, and the outward follows.

A born again Christian is not one who lives in all his past disobedience. It is one who lives and manifests that he is an actual son of God. He has the character of his Father. He will not use the Lord's name in vain, he will not worship idols, whether stone, or idea, or object, he will not commit adultery, but he will manifest to the world that Christ has the power to change the heart, soul, and mind.

Those who have faith, without works; Behold: It is written:

1 Corinthians 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

It profits the Christian nothing, if they share the gospel with others, if they do it without indwelling love. It profits the Christian nothing, if they feed the poor, if they die for others, yet do not have indwelling love. If the heart is not changed, if he is not freed from sins, there can be no benefit.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Axehead · Jan 13, 2015

A covenant between two parties includes responsibilities on the part of each party (individual). In our relationship with Christ, we know that He will never break covenant... but what about man?

brakelite · Jan 13, 2015

Hi Raeneske, here is a quote from another Bible study site you may be familiar with ...a quote I think which is most poignant and thought provoking, and one which is very pertinent to your post:

When a religious person is tempted, the greatest temptation is to find a religious reason to justify the iniquity. Using God to rationalize bad behavior is not only a terrible form of blasphemy — it’s powerfully deceptive. After all, if someone thinks that God is with me, then what can you say in reply? This can happen even in cases of adultery. God has shown me that this [man or woman] is the one I should be with. If that’s what they believe, who or what can trump whatGod has shown them?

Thank God for His law, which clearly and succinctly states "Thou shalt not commit adultery". ...and "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"....and "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"....etc

The quote concludes with the following....

The law is the perfect antidote against the flattering tongue of a seductress. Only the imperative of the law and the duty of obedience will help us resist her alluring words, which can sound so true and beautiful. Indeed, the seductress will find you not only handsome but also wise and bright. She may even evoke her spiritual needs; and ironically, dangerously, the love of Godmight become the justification for sin.
Just think how easily we can be led, even under the guise of faith, to justify wrong actions of any kind, not just adultery. Why, then, is an absolute commitment to the law of God our only real protection against even our own minds and the tricks that they can play on us?

heretoeternity · Jan 14, 2015

Apostle John wrote in 1st John, sin is transgression of God's law. (The 10 commandments)
Apostle Paul wrote in Romans "do we sin more so grace abounds? God forbid" Also he wrote "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid, we establish the law" and Apostle James wrote in James 2 if we break one commandment we break them all...

Remember salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and NOT the sun god/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

Trekson · Jan 14, 2015

Hi Brakelite, Just a quick comment on your statement: "When a religious person is tempted, the greatest temptation is to find a religious reason to justify the iniquity."

Just making the comment that temptation is not a sin, it only becomes sin when we act upon where we are tempted.

williemac · Jan 14, 2015

In addressing the above replies, the op, and to reply to this comment: "Can we keep the law? If we cannot, it is only our fault. Christ said He would free us from sin, and either we believe that He can do it for us, or we do not. Either Christ has the power to make us obedient to God, to make us sons and daughters of God, or He does not."

Christ has the power to change our nature so that we cannot sin. In the resurrection, we will not only be righteous, but we will have no temptation to beset us. We will be rid of the flesh and thus rid of the body of sin that Paul spoke of in Rom.7. It is then and only then that we will be in a complete form of that which is planned for us, Until such time, as 2Cor.4:7 states, we have this treasure in earthen vessels. And the passage tells why. So that the excellence of the glory may be of God and not of us. The only part of us that is righteous and cannot sin is our new man (Eph.4:24).

Therefore the above statement in blue is contradictory to this fact and is in violation of it. If we do not keep the law, and it is our fault, then the opposite must hold that if we do keep the law, then we are faultless. By what measure? By our obedience. If that is the case, then the excellence of the glory is not merely of God but becomes shared with the obeyer.

We cannot have fault through disobedience of law, without also having credit for obedience of it. The whole premise of this thread is that mankind is required to keep the law in order to be saved or stay saved. But what did Paul say? " Not having my own righteousness, which is by the law". No matter how many ways you all try to say it or how much justification you try to attach to it, you are all about your own righteousness, no?

In Rom.5, we find that our righteousness is a gift that was given because of the obedience and the righteousness of one man. Adding our own obedience to the equation is not only a bad idea, it is downright anti-faith. Do we want to walk in righteousness? Yes we do. However, the reason we do is the bear fruit for rewards on the judgment seat, and also so that others around us can benifit from our love towards them. As soon as we add the reward of eternal life into the reason for obeying the law, we commit the same violation that the Galatian church did.

No matter how good we are in this life, no matter how much love we demonstrate, no matter how well we abstain from sin, we will never measure up to the glory of God, and thus we cannot be justified for life by these factors. The version that you all are giving us here is that God has given us the ability to keep the law so that we can be justified for life by the keeping of the law. No matter what wording you want to use, this amounts to the changing of the way we are justified. Sorry, but it hasn't changed.

When Jesus says " I never knew you", He is not saying " I once knew you, but now I don't" . He said " never". So how does He know a man? The answer is found in Rev.3:20,21. The lukewarm church knew all about Jesus, but did not have His indewlling presence. This is what made them neither cold nor hot. They were living for Jesus, so not cold. But they did not have His presence within, so not hot. The only thing that made them wretched, poor, miserable, blind, and naked, was this factor. Anyone who has opened the door and let Him in, He knows, and therefore cannot say "never knew". Applying obedience to law to this passage is irresponsible bible interpretation.

If a person is truly free from sin, then there should be no warning to keep the law. As much as we still have the ability to sin, we are not free from it. Not in the way you describe. But according to John 5:24, our freedom from sin is in the fact that we are no longer judged, but have passed from death to life. We are free from it in that it can no longer kill us. We already died. Sin has already killed us. The old man is crucufied with Christ.

Remember the parable of those hired to work a vineyard (Math.20). Those that were hired in the morning became upset because those hired at the end of the day were payed the same. After all, they worked much harder and were not happy to see those who hardly worked at all getting the same reward. But what did the master say? " Is your eye evil because I am good?" (vs.15). Do you suppose this is just about 'when' a person comes to the Lord? No, it is about how we are rewarded. We inherit life because He is good, not because we are. That is the whole point. See also the two men praying in Luke 18:10-14. And then tell me everyone, how humility factors in to what you are preaching.

heretoeternity · Jan 14, 2015

If we are truly saved and God's people we will keep His law, the ten commandments, no problem He will help us keep it..If we try to weasel out of keeping His Holy Royal law, then it is obvious we have not achieved salvation..according to Peter, Paul, James and John the Apostles...do we make void the law through faith? God forbid we establish the law" Romans

And remember Salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and laws and not the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, Dec 25th, easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

ATP · Jan 15, 2015

Raeneske said:
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

I would say 1 Cor 6:9-10 is about nonbelievers and verse 11 is about believers in Christ. When it says they shall not inherit the kingdom of God scripture is referring to nonbelievers.

Axehead · Jan 16, 2015

So, make sure you don't fall into the category of the unrighteous.

He is speaking to everybody.

brakelite · Jan 16, 2015

Trekson said:
Hi Brakelite, Just a quick comment on your statement: "When a religious person is tempted, the greatest temptation is to find a religious reason to justify the iniquity."

Just making the comment that temptation is not a sin, it only becomes sin when we act upon where we are tempted.

Yes, I agree of course, and the rest of the article I quoted I believe makes that clear. I have met several Christians who have married for the second time whilst the first partner is still around, and have justificed their relationship on the grounds that "I believe this woman is the one God intended for me all along..." or words to that affect. Love has been used as an excuse for sin more than once.

ATP said:
I would say 1 Cor 6:9-10 is about nonbelievers and verse 11 is about believers in Christ. When it says they shall not inherit the kingdom of God scripture is referring to nonbelievers.

The verse in question is...
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
ATP, may I clarify something? Paul is stating here categorically that such who practice such things can never enter heaven. What he is not saying is that Christians are not capable of commiting individual offenses such as fornication, idolatry, adultery, or theft. I know it is taught by some that a Christian cannot sin. That a Christian for example cannot steal. That is utter nonsense, we have all witnessed Christians who sin. But are we claiming that because of one offense, or even two or three offenses, that the Christian loses his/her salvation? No, I don't think so. But however, if upon conviction of the Holy Spirit that man or woman who commits such and such offense refuses to repent and continues the practice making a habit or lifestyle of it, one must then surely be justified in suspecting such as being what Paul calls here a 'thief', and their salvation be called into doubt. The state of ones destiny however is not for us to judge...it is however our duty to warn. Only God knows the state of ones heart and how their response is to God's call to repentance.

williemac said:
In addressing the above replies, the op, and to reply to this comment: "Can we keep the law? If we cannot, it is only our fault. Christ said He would free us from sin, and either we believe that He can do it for us, or we do not. Either Christ has the power to make us obedient to God, to make us sons and daughters of God, or He does not."

Christ has the power to change our nature so that we cannot sin. In the resurrection, we will not only be righteous, but we will have no temptation to beset us. We will be rid of the flesh and thus rid of the body of sin that Paul spoke of in Rom.7. It is then and only then that we will be in a complete form of that which is planned for us, Until such time, as 2Cor.4:7 states, we have this treasure in earthen vessels. And the passage tells why. So that the excellence of the glory may be of God and not of us. The only part of us that is righteous and cannot sin is our new man (Eph.4:24).

Therefore the above statement in blue is contradictory to this fact and is in violation of it. If we do not keep the law, and it is our fault, then the opposite must hold that if we do keep the law, then we are faultless. By what measure? By our obedience. If that is the case, then the excellence of the glory is not merely of God but becomes shared with the obeyer.

We cannot have fault through disobedience of law, without also having credit for obedience of it. The whole premise of this thread is that mankind is required to keep the law in order to be saved or stay saved. But what did Paul say? " Not having my own righteousness, which is by the law". No matter how many ways you all try to say it or how much justification you try to attach to it, you are all about your own righteousness, no?

In Rom.5, we find that our righteousness is a gift that was given because of the obedience and the righteousness of one man. Adding our own obedience to the equation is not only a bad idea, it is downright anti-faith. Do we want to walk in righteousness? Yes we do. However, the reason we do is the bear fruit for rewards on the judgment seat, and also so that others around us can benifit from our love towards them. As soon as we add the reward of eternal life into the reason for obeying the law, we commit the same violation that the Galatian church did.

No matter how good we are in this life, no matter how much love we demonstrate, no matter how well we abstain from sin, we will never measure up to the glory of God, and thus we cannot be justified for life by these factors. The version that you all are giving us here is that God has given us the ability to keep the law so that we can be justified for life by the keeping of the law. No matter what wording you want to use, this amounts to the changing of the way we are justified. Sorry, but it hasn't changed.

When Jesus says " I never knew you", He is not saying " I once knew you, but now I don't" . He said " never". So how does He know a man? The answer is found in Rev.3:20,21. The lukewarm church knew all about Jesus, but did not have His indewlling presence. This is what made them neither cold nor hot. They were living for Jesus, so not cold. But they did not have His presence within, so not hot. The only thing that made them wretched, poor, miserable, blind, and naked, was this factor. Anyone who has opened the door and let Him in, He knows, and therefore cannot say "never knew". Applying obedience to law to this passage is irresponsible bible interpretation.

If a person is truly free from sin, then there should be no warning to keep the law. As much as we still have the ability to sin, we are not free from it. Not in the way you describe. But according to John 5:24, our freedom from sin is in the fact that we are no longer judged, but have passed from death to life. We are free from it in that it can no longer kill us. We already died. Sin has already killed us. The old man is crucufied with Christ.

Remember the parable of those hired to work a vineyard (Math.20). Those that were hired in the morning became upset because those hired at the end of the day were payed the same. After all, they worked much harder and were not happy to see those who hardly worked at all getting the same reward. But what did the master say? " Is your eye evil because I am good?" (vs.15). Do you suppose this is just about 'when' a person comes to the Lord? No, it is about how we are rewarded. We inherit life because He is good, not because we are. That is the whole point. See also the two men praying in Luke 18:10-14. And then tell me everyone, how humility factors in to what you are preaching.

It seems you are making the same mistake many do when the law comes under discussion. You presume that if one teaches that the commandments are just that, and not suggestions, that one who obeys them is therefore doing so in his own power, and claiming that he is therefore justified because of it. Why do so many do this? Why is this presumption so commonly expressed by Christians? Why is it so far fetched to beleive that a Christian, who is completely surrended to His Lord, cannot obey the commandments by God's grace and power working through him? Why limit God's power? Is our flesh nature so powerful that it trumps even the resurrection power of God? My prayer for those who doubt the power of God is...
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
If a Christian sins, it is not because God doesn't have the power to change our nature...nor is it the devils fault for tempting us...but ultimately it is the fault of the Christian who doesn't have the faith to believe God can empower him to resist that temptation.

ATP · Jan 17, 2015

Axehead said:
So, make sure you don't fall into the category of the unrighteous.

He is speaking to everybody.

brakelite said:
The verse in question is...
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
ATP, may I clarify something? Paul is stating here categorically that such who practice such things can never enter heaven. What he is not saying is that Christians are not capable of commiting individual offenses such as fornication, idolatry, adultery, or theft. I know it is taught by some that a Christian cannot sin. That a Christian for example cannot steal. That is utter nonsense, we have all witnessed Christians who sin. But are we claiming that because of one offense, or even two or three offenses, that the Christian loses his/her salvation? No, I don't think so. But however, if upon conviction of the Holy Spirit that man or woman who commits such and such offense refuses to repent and continues the practice making a habit or lifestyle of it, one must then surely be justified in suspecting such as being what Paul calls here a 'thief', and their salvation be called into doubt. The state of ones destiny however is not for us to judge...it is however our duty to warn. Only God knows the state of ones heart and how their response is to God's call to repentance.

A born again christian cannot lose his salvation, sin or not.

Neither the present nor the future can separate us from God (Rom 8:38-39) / All Sins are Covered (Col 2:13-15) / An inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade (1 Peter 1:4)

- ATP

Raeneske · Jan 17, 2015

ATP said:
I would say 1 Cor 6:9-10 is about nonbelievers and verse 11 is about believers in Christ. When it says they shall not inherit the kingdom of God scripture is referring to nonbelievers.

Remember, there shall be many saying Lord, Lord, who shall not enter into the kingdom. Here are brethren who are covetous, extortioners, a railer, etc.

1 Corinthians 5:9-11 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

What we cannot miss, is that some of these Corinthians were at least some of these things:

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

But they were washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of God. A man can be changed from a fornicator, an adulterer, effeminate, a drunkard, covetous, etc. All Christians then can be changed, and if they allow, are changed by the power of God. A Christian then, can be kept by the power of God to be obedient, and keep all Ten Commandments. Of course, in this flesh we will fall. But, we repent, and get back up. Those who say "You cannot keep the law" then, are wrong because the power of God allows us to keep the law.

Axehead · Jan 17, 2015

ATP said:
A born again christian cannot lose his salvation, sin or not.

Neither the present nor the future can separate us from God (Rom 8:38-39) / All Sins are Covered (Col 2:13-15) / An inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade (1 Peter 1:4)

- ATP

I agree. Those who call themselves by the name of Christ are admonished to "examine themselves, whether they be in the faith or not".

Do you believe everyone that calls themself a Christian is saved?

ATP · Jan 17, 2015

Axehead said:
Do you believe everyone that calls themself a Christian is saved?

Nope.

williemac · Jan 17, 2015

brakelite said:
It seems you are making the same mistake many do when the law comes under discussion. You presume that if one teaches that the commandments are just that, and not suggestions, that one who obeys them is therefore doing so in his own power, and claiming that he is therefore justified because of it. Why do so many do this? Why is this presumption so commonly expressed by Christians? Why is it so far fetched to beleive that a Christian, who is completely surrended to His Lord, cannot obey the commandments by God's grace and power working through him? Why limit God's power? Is our flesh nature so powerful that it trumps even the resurrection power of God?

I am making no such mistake. You might well want to take another look at my statements. But to clarify, the point is not whether we are obeying under our own strength or not. That is irrelevant to the qualification for life. The law cannot give life. That is an absolute. Paul said if there was a law given that could have given life, then truly righteousness would have been by the law. (Gal.3:21). So, even if we can indeed obey the law by the strength given to us by God, this does not change what was said. God did not give us the Holy Spirit so that we could gain life through the law. Life is a free gift, given to us by the obedience of One Man. Romans 8 is not about keeping the law through the spirit. Walking in the spirit is a mindset, not an action. Read the text in its context. (therefore,,,(Rom.8:1)
I am not trying to suggest we can't obey the law for the most part, by our own strength or by His.. I am saying that this is not linked to our qualification for life. And one reason for this is that we could have a cause for boasting if it was. One may well not boast he is keeping the law in his own strength, but he may well boast that he is appropriating the strength of God. In that case, it still takes a proactive choice on the part of the individual to obey the law in God's strength. Therefore keeping the law still amounts to a choice that a person makes, and gives him a possible cause for boasting that he made that choice.

For by grace we are saved, through faith. Not of works, not of ourselves lest any man should boast (have cause for boasting). God has made salvation something that no one can boast about, whether they want to or not.

One hint that this is a boasting issue is that there are those who compare their success in this endeavor with the perceived failures of others. However, may I remind everyone here that no one is perfectly successful in fulfilling the law 24/7, 365. In fact, Jesus said that He came to fulfill the law. How is it that some people interpret that as Jesus intending to accomplish that through our obedience to it? No. He fulfilled it through His own obedience to it, as Rom. chapter 5 states in no uncertain terms. What part of One Man's obedience is so hard to accept or grasp?

brakelite · Jan 17, 2015

williemac said:
I am making no such mistake. You might well want to take another look at my statements. But to clarify, the point is not whether we are obeying under our own strength or not. That is irrelevant to the qualification for life. The law cannot give life. That is an absolute. Paul said if there was a law given that could have given life, then truly righteousness would have been by the law. (Gal.3:21). So, even if we can indeed obey the law by the strength given to us by God, this does not change what was said. God did not give us the Holy Spirit so that we could gain life through the law. Life is a free gift, given to us by the obedience of One Man. Romans 8 is not about keeping the law through the spirit. Walking in the spirit is a mindset, not an action. Read the text in its context. (therefore,,,(Rom.8:1)
I am not trying to suggest we can't obey the law for the most part, by our own strength or by His.. I am saying that this is not linked to our qualification for life. And one reason for this is that we could have a cause for boasting if it was. One may well not boast he is keeping the law in his own strength, but he may well boast that he is appropriating the strength of God. In that case, it still takes a proactive choice on the part of the individual to obey the law in God's strength. Therefore keeping the law still amounts to a choice that a person makes, and gives him a possible cause for boasting that he made that choice.

For by grace we are saved, through faith. Not of works, not of ourselves lest any man should boast (have cause for boasting). God has made salvation something that no one can boast about, whether they want to or not.

One hint that this is a boasting issue is that there are those who compare their success in this endeavor with the perceived failures of others. However, may I remind everyone here that no one is perfectly successful in fulfilling the law 24/7, 365. In fact, Jesus said that He came to fulfill the law. How is it that some people interpret that as Jesus intending to accomplish that through our obedience to it? No. He fulfilled it through His own obedience to it, as Rom. chapter 5 states in no uncertain terms. What part of One Man's obedience is so hard to accept or grasp?

Allow me to repeat what I said with one very pertinent part bolded..."You presume that if one teaches that the commandments are just that, and not suggestions, that one who obeys them is therefore doing so in his own power, and claiming that he is therefore justified because of it. Why do so many do this?"

Job one · Jan 18, 2015

Dear Raeneske,

Thank you for your well defined posts! I think this view and understanding is greatly needed in this day when so many are willing to sacrifice and substitute rationalizing to replace obedience to God's loving commandments. All should clearly understand that God's loving commandments are, in reality, the key and are stepping stones to man's true happiness and ultimate salvation and exaltation. It is my observation that obedience to each and every commandment from God is carefully engineered and designed to maximize and enable each of us to become "partakers of the divine nature."

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