guess this wont be youMathew 24:9 Then they will deliver YOU up to TRIBULATION and KILL you and you will be hated by all nations for my names sake v 13 But he who endures to the END will be saved
The Church age and the rapture.
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(kriss;24605)
guess this wont be youMathew 24:9 Then they will deliver YOU up to TRIBULATION and KILL you and you will be hated by all nations for my names sake v 13 But he who endures to the END will be saved
The hatred and condescension you seem to have of anyone who thinks differently than you is striking and it is most certainly NOT of God. Why do you hate us who believe in the absolute promise of God's Perfect Nature? Why do you continue to berate us when we have done nothing to provoke you? We came together to reason together and you spew vitriol at us as if we were salt that had gotten into your wound.I am a Holy Ghost inspired son of the Living God. I tell you truly that the Lord God of Israel, Abbah Father, My Lord and Saviour is not mocked. His promise is that the righteous will escape His Holy and Just Wrath. You cannot and WILL not convince me that God will violate His promise to His people and His followers.And for your edification I'm USED to being hated. This is a drop in the bucket to what I have endured in my lifetime. I have endured and come through the fires, forged by God into an instrument willing to be used for His Glory and His Glory alone. Bring your hate, it matters not to one who has dreamed a dream like that given me by Almighty God.
guess this wont be youMathew 24:9 Then they will deliver YOU up to TRIBULATION and KILL you and you will be hated by all nations for my names sake v 13 But he who endures to the END will be saved
The hatred and condescension you seem to have of anyone who thinks differently than you is striking and it is most certainly NOT of God. Why do you hate us who believe in the absolute promise of God's Perfect Nature? Why do you continue to berate us when we have done nothing to provoke you? We came together to reason together and you spew vitriol at us as if we were salt that had gotten into your wound.I am a Holy Ghost inspired son of the Living God. I tell you truly that the Lord God of Israel, Abbah Father, My Lord and Saviour is not mocked. His promise is that the righteous will escape His Holy and Just Wrath. You cannot and WILL not convince me that God will violate His promise to His people and His followers.And for your edification I'm USED to being hated. This is a drop in the bucket to what I have endured in my lifetime. I have endured and come through the fires, forged by God into an instrument willing to be used for His Glory and His Glory alone. Bring your hate, it matters not to one who has dreamed a dream like that given me by Almighty God.
hI KRISS YOU ARE GOING TO BE RAPTURED YOU ARE PART OF THE CHURCH , WHY BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.
Then we apparently have nothing more to say to one another. Please refrain then from chastising us if you wish to believe differently than we. I have backed up everything I've said only to be told "that's not the way it is" I have given verses only to be rebuffed again. You have no desire to genuinely talk about this you only want to yell over every other possible interpretation so that you and only you is heard. That is vanity and pride and it is not of God.
Are you kidding? *sigh* Do you bother looking at Christ's Words straight? Then again...we do teach the Word of God......But it is extremely sad to say they is very lack of unity of the faith in the knowledge of the Son of God......I hated it when people judge something way too quick that they never heard of. Especially when they never checked the Hebrew and Greek words.*sigh* Oh well...welcome to the second Earth Age.Jag
(jkdjr25;24612)
Then we apparently have nothing more to say to one another. Please refrain then from chastising us if you wish to believe differently than we. I have backed up everything I've said only to be told "that's not the way it is" I have given verses only to be rebuffed again. You have no desire to genuinely talk about this you only want to yell over every other possible interpretation so that you and only you is heard. That is vanity and pride and it is not of God.
Now thats funny jkdjr25 you not only have not backed up a single word because it isnt in the Bible you are now telling me my Job? There is no other interpetation of Gods Word. There is only one second coming one changing and that is at the 7th trump there is nothing to discuss you either believe God or men And no I will never believe men and if you call that yelling so be it. You want me to comprimise with Satan lies I dont think so.
Then we apparently have nothing more to say to one another. Please refrain then from chastising us if you wish to believe differently than we. I have backed up everything I've said only to be told "that's not the way it is" I have given verses only to be rebuffed again. You have no desire to genuinely talk about this you only want to yell over every other possible interpretation so that you and only you is heard. That is vanity and pride and it is not of God.
Now thats funny jkdjr25 you not only have not backed up a single word because it isnt in the Bible you are now telling me my Job? There is no other interpetation of Gods Word. There is only one second coming one changing and that is at the 7th trump there is nothing to discuss you either believe God or men And no I will never believe men and if you call that yelling so be it. You want me to comprimise with Satan lies I dont think so.
Isaiah 5:20 - Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!II Corinthians 6:14 - Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?I John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(jkdjr25;24612)
Then we apparently have nothing more to say to one another. Please refrain then from chastising us if you wish to believe differently than we. I have backed up everything I've said only to be told "that's not the way it is" I have given verses only to be rebuffed again. You have no desire to genuinely talk about this you only want to yell over every other possible interpretation so that you and only you is heard. That is vanity and pride and it is not of God.
Allow me to explain something here though you are free to quote scriptureto argue your points and free to disagree with us there are two doctrines Denver does not allowed to be preached on this site one is one world religion and the other is the false doctrine of Rapture.
Then we apparently have nothing more to say to one another. Please refrain then from chastising us if you wish to believe differently than we. I have backed up everything I've said only to be told "that's not the way it is" I have given verses only to be rebuffed again. You have no desire to genuinely talk about this you only want to yell over every other possible interpretation so that you and only you is heard. That is vanity and pride and it is not of God.
Allow me to explain something here though you are free to quote scriptureto argue your points and free to disagree with us there are two doctrines Denver does not allowed to be preached on this site one is one world religion and the other is the false doctrine of Rapture.
What tires me is the blasphemy the two of you put forth, diguising it as righteousness. Neither of you have commented on the undeniable promise of Almighty God that the righteous will escape His wrath as they did with Noah, Lot, and in Egypt. I've pointed to you in Revelation and 1st Thessalonians yet you rebuff them as not saying what they LITERALLY say. I don't interpret the Bible I read it and know it to be the inerrant and infalible Word of the Living God. Neither of you comment because you know that you cannot. God's promises are irefutable and infalible. You say there will be no seven year tribulation, Revelation quite clearly states otherwise. You say there will be no Rapture, 1st Thessalonians 14-17 seems to disagree with you. I rebuke you both in the most Holy name of Almighty God. God is not mocked. His promises hold true and there is no force born in hell or on earth that can change that. You tell me that I am of satan and I rebuke thee on that. I am a son of the Living God. I am a Holy Ghost filled man of absolute, unshakable and undefeatable conviction in His most Holy Name and in His Perfect and irefutable promises and nature. My faith and my mind are a gift of that Great I Am. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob sends a light through my soul even as I write this. I tell you truly that God lives and His promises are true and everlasting. Amen and halleliuha to the Lamb of God!You will not move me for I am a servant of God Almighty, the Alpha and the Omega. He speaks to this humble servant and I answer His call to be a voice crying out here that you are mistaken. His promises are perfect and to say otherwise is blasphemous heresy. I will not be silent and I will NOT be moved. Throw your taunts and accusations and I will rebuke them with the strength given me by the Most High God. HE IS NOT MOCKED! I will not stand by and be silent when I see that happening. I don't care who says it, I will rebuke it in His Mighty and Perfect name. Amen and Amen!
(kriss;24619)
Allow me to explain something here though you are free to quote scriptureto argue your points and free to disagree with us there are two doctrines Denver does not allowed to be preached on this site one is one world religion and the other is the false doctrine of Rapture.
Then by all means he may ban me. I will NOT be silent as I see God's promises rebuked and blasphemed against. I will stand my ground as a servant of the Living God come what may.
Allow me to explain something here though you are free to quote scriptureto argue your points and free to disagree with us there are two doctrines Denver does not allowed to be preached on this site one is one world religion and the other is the false doctrine of Rapture.
Then by all means he may ban me. I will NOT be silent as I see God's promises rebuked and blasphemed against. I will stand my ground as a servant of the Living God come what may.
(jkdjr25;24620)
What tires me is the blasphemy the two of you put forth, diguising it as righteousness. Neither of you have commented on the undeniable promise of Almighty God that the righteous will escape His wrath as they did with Noah, Lot, and in Egypt. I've pointed to you in Revelation and 1st Thessalonians yet you rebuff them as not saying what they LITERALLY say. I don't interpret the Bible I read it and know it to be the inerrant and infalible Word of the Living God. Neither of you comment because you know that you cannot. God's promises are irefutable and infalible. You say there will be no seven year tribulation, Revelation quite clearly states otherwise. You say there will be no Rapture, 1st Thessalonians 14-17 seems to disagree with you. I rebuke you both in the most Holy name of Almighty God. God is not mocked. His promises hold true and there is no force born in hell or on earth that can change that. You tell me that I am of satan and I rebuke thee on that. I am a son of the Living God. I am a Holy Ghost filled man of absolute, unshakable and undefeatable conviction in His most Holy Name and in His Perfect and irefutable promises and nature. My faith and my mind are a gift of that Great I Am. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob sends a light through my soul even as I write this. I tell you truly that God lives and His promises are true and everlasting. Amen and halleliuha to the Lamb of God!You will not move me for I am a servant of God Almighty, the Alpha and the Omega. He speaks to this humble servant and I answer His call to be a voice crying out here that you are mistaken. His promises are perfect and to say otherwise is blasphemous heresy. I will not be silent and I will NOT be moved. Throw your taunts and accusations and I will rebuke them with the strength given me by the Most High God. HE IS NOT MOCKED! I will not stand by and be silent when I see that happening. I don't care who says it, I will rebuke it in His Mighty and Perfect name. Amen and Amen!
Who? Kriss and me? To tell you the truth. The bible can not be taken literally. There is so many symbolic in there.I Thessalonians 4:3 - For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:What really makes me sad is you think I'm prideful? am I correct? *sigh*Everybody will claim to be right even if they don't study and check it out for themselves.Try reading Ezekiel 13:20Everybody will claim to have the Holy Ghost, even if they teach false doctrine. *sigh*
What tires me is the blasphemy the two of you put forth, diguising it as righteousness. Neither of you have commented on the undeniable promise of Almighty God that the righteous will escape His wrath as they did with Noah, Lot, and in Egypt. I've pointed to you in Revelation and 1st Thessalonians yet you rebuff them as not saying what they LITERALLY say. I don't interpret the Bible I read it and know it to be the inerrant and infalible Word of the Living God. Neither of you comment because you know that you cannot. God's promises are irefutable and infalible. You say there will be no seven year tribulation, Revelation quite clearly states otherwise. You say there will be no Rapture, 1st Thessalonians 14-17 seems to disagree with you. I rebuke you both in the most Holy name of Almighty God. God is not mocked. His promises hold true and there is no force born in hell or on earth that can change that. You tell me that I am of satan and I rebuke thee on that. I am a son of the Living God. I am a Holy Ghost filled man of absolute, unshakable and undefeatable conviction in His most Holy Name and in His Perfect and irefutable promises and nature. My faith and my mind are a gift of that Great I Am. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob sends a light through my soul even as I write this. I tell you truly that God lives and His promises are true and everlasting. Amen and halleliuha to the Lamb of God!You will not move me for I am a servant of God Almighty, the Alpha and the Omega. He speaks to this humble servant and I answer His call to be a voice crying out here that you are mistaken. His promises are perfect and to say otherwise is blasphemous heresy. I will not be silent and I will NOT be moved. Throw your taunts and accusations and I will rebuke them with the strength given me by the Most High God. HE IS NOT MOCKED! I will not stand by and be silent when I see that happening. I don't care who says it, I will rebuke it in His Mighty and Perfect name. Amen and Amen!
Who? Kriss and me? To tell you the truth. The bible can not be taken literally. There is so many symbolic in there.I Thessalonians 4:3 - For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:What really makes me sad is you think I'm prideful? am I correct? *sigh*Everybody will claim to be right even if they don't study and check it out for themselves.Try reading Ezekiel 13:20Everybody will claim to have the Holy Ghost, even if they teach false doctrine. *sigh*
That is where you are entirely wrong. As I said I am a literalist. I believe that the Bible is the perfect, infalible and inerrant Word of the Living God. There are places where it uses figurative language, but other than those areas it is the Truth and it is God's perfect Word to us. Praise His Name. I need no other source than the most Holy Word of the Living God to light my way. I will NOT be moved from my stand I will not stand silently by and allow God's Word and His Promises to be blasphemed.
Yes Jag because we wont claim Gods Word says something it doesnt to satifiy these believers of men we are called names. But take heart we have God on our side they have only lies and false doctrine.Allow me to explain something here though you are free to quote scriptureto argue your points and free to disagree with us there are two doctrines Denver does not allowed to be preached on this site one is one world religion and the other is the false doctrine of Rapture.
Neither of you have commented on the undeniable promise of Almighty God that the righteous will escape His wrath as they did with Noah, Lot, and in Egypt. I've pointed to you in Revelation and 1st Thessalonians yet you rebuff them as not saying what they LITERALLY say. I don't interpret the Bible I read it and know it to be the inerrant and infalible Word of the Living God.
Wrong. Why ever would you limit the Father to having to physically take us away in order to protect us?Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.
God is consuming fire and this is a two-edged sword for all of us. On one hand, that fire empowers us as his children. On the other hand, that righteous fire burns anything and everything unrighteous.Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego never had to be taken away from the fire as Nebuchadnezzar watched!Daniel 3:24-25
Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
YHVH is NOT limited by the physical and how dare you suggest that he is. He was right there with the three in the furnace that was seven times hotter than it ever was. How hot do you think the coming of our Lord Jesus the Christ is going to be for all too see! There's no secret rapture, he's coming in the blaze of his glory for all to see!Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
You say there will be no seven year tribulation, Revelation quite clearly states otherwise.
Scripture.Matthew 24:21-24
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Again, this idea of this secret rapture is based on an absolutely astounding amount of picking and choosing Scripture. I'll be happy to talk about I Thessalonians 4:I Thessalonians 4:14-17
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
How you guys interpret secret rapture in these words really gets to me. It clearly says at the trump of God and it also, quite clearly, says that we - not they, them, those or anything else - will be alive and remain there. Coming is singular, not plural. There's one coming and all will witness it.
My faith and my mind are a gift of that Great I Am. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob sends a light through my soul even as I write this. I tell you truly that God lives and His promises are true and everlasting. Amen and halleliuha to the Lamb of God!
Revelation 13:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
I submit that some will know the difference between The Lamb and the lamb that speaks just as a dragon. He'll show up just as promised saying that he's come to save us all, looking just like the lamb. I just hope people will know the Word well enough to know him for what he is.There's a whole lot of words in this thread, but let's please stick to Scripture. Quoting the occasional three wonder verses to talk about the rapture out of context won't work when we read the context. I have enough faith that those with eyes to see and ears to hear will.
Wrong. Why ever would you limit the Father to having to physically take us away in order to protect us?Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.
God is consuming fire and this is a two-edged sword for all of us. On one hand, that fire empowers us as his children. On the other hand, that righteous fire burns anything and everything unrighteous.Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego never had to be taken away from the fire as Nebuchadnezzar watched!Daniel 3:24-25
Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
YHVH is NOT limited by the physical and how dare you suggest that he is. He was right there with the three in the furnace that was seven times hotter than it ever was. How hot do you think the coming of our Lord Jesus the Christ is going to be for all too see! There's no secret rapture, he's coming in the blaze of his glory for all to see!Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
You say there will be no seven year tribulation, Revelation quite clearly states otherwise.
Scripture.Matthew 24:21-24
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Again, this idea of this secret rapture is based on an absolutely astounding amount of picking and choosing Scripture. I'll be happy to talk about I Thessalonians 4:I Thessalonians 4:14-17
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
How you guys interpret secret rapture in these words really gets to me. It clearly says at the trump of God and it also, quite clearly, says that we - not they, them, those or anything else - will be alive and remain there. Coming is singular, not plural. There's one coming and all will witness it.
My faith and my mind are a gift of that Great I Am. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob sends a light through my soul even as I write this. I tell you truly that God lives and His promises are true and everlasting. Amen and halleliuha to the Lamb of God!
Revelation 13:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
I submit that some will know the difference between The Lamb and the lamb that speaks just as a dragon. He'll show up just as promised saying that he's come to save us all, looking just like the lamb. I just hope people will know the Word well enough to know him for what he is.There's a whole lot of words in this thread, but let's please stick to Scripture. Quoting the occasional three wonder verses to talk about the rapture out of context won't work when we read the context. I have enough faith that those with eyes to see and ears to hear will.
How dare I??? How dare I what precisely? Read and think for myself? Come to a logic based conclusion based on God's behaviour?You are misinformed and let me tell you why. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were not being protected from God's wrath. They were being protected from the fires of evil men. Two very different things in context to the discussion.The Lord God Almighty always, and I mean ALWAYS provides an, and here's the key word again, ESCAPE for the righteous. To suggest that our Lord would be so cruel as to punish the righteous in His eyes alongside the wicked is blasphemy and I won't sugar coat that regardless of the consequences. There is no "secret rapture" as you so succintly put it. There will be a very public rapturing of the Church. It is logical and it follows God's pattern of Perfect Justice and Perfect Righteousness.As a man and son of the Living God, the Alpha and the Omega I cannot and will not be moved to the contrary. Let me be clear God need not rapture the Chruch to protect them, that's not what I said and you know it. I said he removes them from the situation because that is their escape from His Holy and Just Wrath. Those who come to Christ and our Lord during the seven year Tribulation will come through a fire the likes of which we will never see. The 144000 mentioned refer to 12000 jews from each of the 12 tribes. That is all explicitly and specificly stated in Revelation and I will not back down to any man on what I know to be God's Truth upon my heart. I will not be bullied and I will never move on this.Take that as you will.
Unlocking thread? Okay...why is it that I don't see scriptures in your posts, but in Kriss, Denver, Whirlwind, I etc posts?
(jkdjr25;24620)
You will not move me for I am a servant of God Almighty, the Alpha and the Omega. He speaks to this humble servant and I answer His call to be a voice crying out here that you are mistaken. His promises are perfect and to say otherwise is blasphemous heresy. I will not be silent and I will NOT be moved. Throw your taunts and accusations and I will rebuke them with the strength given me by the Most High God. HE IS NOT MOCKED! I will not stand by and be silent when I see that happening. I don't care who says it, I will rebuke it in His Mighty and Perfect name. Amen and Amen!
No one is mocking you or our Father. No one wants you to stand by and be silent.
Rather, we want you to be with us when we stand in front of Christ.....not with those that took the mark of the beast. So, rather than quote any other scripture as it appears it has all been quoted, allow me to say this; When the end of days comes, if we are still living, and Satan stands in Jerusalem pretending to be Christ,
please consider the words you read on this forum.If you are in a spirit body then you were right....there was a rapture, but if you stand on earth and are still in flesh then no matter what is being taught, no matter what is being promised by the fake christ....don't listen. Wait for the true Christ for when He comes you will be in a spirit body. There will be no doubt then. :shepard:........Whirlwind
You will not move me for I am a servant of God Almighty, the Alpha and the Omega. He speaks to this humble servant and I answer His call to be a voice crying out here that you are mistaken. His promises are perfect and to say otherwise is blasphemous heresy. I will not be silent and I will NOT be moved. Throw your taunts and accusations and I will rebuke them with the strength given me by the Most High God. HE IS NOT MOCKED! I will not stand by and be silent when I see that happening. I don't care who says it, I will rebuke it in His Mighty and Perfect name. Amen and Amen!
No one is mocking you or our Father. No one wants you to stand by and be silent.
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