Remarriage

Angelina · Mar 14, 2015

Angelina

Although I believe that everything in the Bible inter-relates, yet, I'm confident that Deuteronomy 24 has anything to do with God's plan to reunite both National Israel and the Gentile Nations via the promises made to Abraham and his seed as you've said.

We read in Deuteronomy 22 that when a married woman commits adultery she is to be stoned to death. God could not kill National Israel for adultery, although He was married to her, because the Lord Jesus
still had to be born from her.

Does a true believer still sin (spiritual fornication) after salvation? Most definitely! If indeed you are a true believer, would you not be happy that God cannot divorce you, kill you for spiritual adultery and fornication?

Note the careful language God crafted in Deuteronomy 24:1 that ONLY a man can divorce the wife and NOT a wife can divorce the husband For this was God's intention all along to divorce Israel!

Praise God the believer is not in jeopardy of losing his salvation because the Lord Jesus took care of that in Mt. 19:8 and ultimately on the cross.

Praise God from whom all blessings flow.

Greetings Jun2u, Lets take a look at Matthew 19

Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these sayings, that He departed from Galilee and came to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. 2 And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them there.
3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who madethem at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Jesus clearly states here that God's original mandate for mankind ~ was that they leave their respective parents and become one flesh. He also emphasizes that what God has joined..."let not man separate."

7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

Tell me ~ is Jesus speaking to Gentiles believers who were never under the law or is he speaking to the Jews? :huh:

If he were speaking to the Jews under the law, then what part of this chapter should Gentile believers follow today? Gods original mandate or what Moses permitted for those under the law?...

10 His disciples said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”

Why do you think Jesus disciples made this comment? ~ consider!

rockytopva · Mar 14, 2015

15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
16 For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
17 Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment? - Malachi 2

God hates this marriage and divorce stuff.

aspen · Mar 14, 2015

Well Rocky, in a Fallen world things often do not work according to plan. You have to pick yourself up and start plan B

pom2014 · Mar 15, 2015

Aspen this has nothing to do with the catholics.

This is from The King.

Marriage should be until death.
If there is infidelity, then marriage can be ended, but reconciliation would be better.
If they divorce, neither can marry until one spouse dies.
There is NO marriage in the resurrection, marriage is for the children of this world.

This is straight from our sovereign.

Jun2u · Mar 15, 2015

Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these sayings, that He departed from Galilee and came to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. 2 And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them there.
3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who madethem at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Jesus clearly states here that God's original mandate for mankind ~ was that they leave their respective parents and become one flesh. He also emphasizes that what God has joined..."let not man separate."

Greetings as well Angelina,

[SIZE=12pt]You are correct in your assessment of Mt. 19:3-6, however; in the last part of verse 6, Jesus is already saying there is not to be divorce or what God joined together let not man separate. Marriage between a man and a woman is like being shackled and welded together it cannot be broken except by the death of one spouse I Corinthians 7:39.[/SIZE]

Angelina said:

Tell me ~ is Jesus speaking to Gentiles believers who were never under the law of Moses or is he speaking to the Jews?

ANSWER
Jesus was speaking to the New Testament populace.

I was not under the impression that the law of Moses, also known as the Moral Law or Ten Commandments did not pertain to gentile believers. Although the law and the prophets covered the Old Testament.

I do know God does not have two or thee sets of rules where one set of rules is for Him, another set for the Jews, and another for the Gentiles. There is only one Bible and one set of rules for everybody where God Himself abides by that same rules, otherwise; He cannot be a “Just and Fair” God.

Angelina said:

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[SIZE=12pt]Why do you think Jesus disciples made this comment?[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]~[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]consider![/SIZE]

ANSWER
Because prior to that in verses 8 and 9 Jesus is now going to give His answer to the question posted by the Pharisees in verse3.

Let me remind you that the Pharisees came to Jesus to “test and trick” Him because they knew about Deuteronomy 24:1. This law was used extensively by the men of Israel to divorce their wives, but they twisted the meaning of the word “uncleanness” (can be shown to mean “spiritual fornication”) to “ceremonially unclean” (for example, a woman is ceremonially unclean when she has her menstruation). So for centuries the men used Deuteronomy 24:1 as the basis for divorce, just as you have alluded to in your first post above but for the wrong reasons.

Jesus is now going to give His answer to the question asked in verse3.

Verse8…”but from the beginning it was not so”. In this phrase, Jesus without a doubt is telling the Pharisees that He has rescinded the law of Deuteronomy 24:1.

Verse9 is a bit more complicated. The term “except for fornication” needs further explanation. The word “except” should translate “if not”. Verse9 then would effectively be saying:

“And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, if not (except) for fornication – we’ve already discussed this matter – and marries another, commits adultery, and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.

Jesus locked it in, you see…there is to be no divorce! His disciples then said, “If such is the case (no divorce for every cause) of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry”.

If verse9 and Matthew Chapter 19 stands as it was taught to us then it goes contrary and against ICo. 7:39. God is a God of order and not of confusion!

Words in parenthesis are mine.

[SIZE=12pt]To God Be The Glory[/SIZE]

FHII · Mar 15, 2015

Jun2u said:
Since you have no idea I will tell you about myself.

By the grace of God I have become saved through the washing of regeneration by the word. As I am a child of God who is still learning and teachable in all things pertaining to God I will lend my ears to anyone for the opportunity to be heard.

With that said I now invite you to give a scripture text or two if you will.

So do you want the short answer or a long one?

God had/has three wives: Israel and Judah are the first two and are noted in Jer 3. The third is the bride of christ found in Rev 21.

StanJ · Mar 15, 2015

pom2014 said:
The King says that it can only be done if your spouse has died.

Why then do Christians do it?

Actually the King does not say that but it's not something that is simply and easily dealt with.

The best I've ever read on the subject is in the following link. I whole heartedly encourage you to read through it carefully as there is lots of good exegesis from Dr. Bacchiocchi, who has since passed on.

http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/marriage/4.html

Angelina · Mar 16, 2015

You are correct in your assessment of Mt. 19:3-6, however; in the last part of verse 6, Jesus is already saying there is not to be divorce or what God joined together let not man separate. Marriage between a man and a woman is like being shackled and welded together it cannot be broken except by the death of one spouse I Corinthians 7:39.

That is what I was emphasizing in my post ~ minus the shackled/welded description.

Jesus was speaking to the New Testament populace.

Jesus was addressing questions from the Pharisees [separated ones] who were a specific sect/school of Judaism during the NT times. The Pharisees believed that they were the only ones who not only kept the law of God but taught it correctly. Matthew 19:3 This conversation continued on into verse 7-9 when they questioned him regarding Moses and his certificate of divorce....

I was not under the impression that the law of Moses, also known as the Moral Law or Ten Commandments did not pertain to gentile believers. Although the law and the prophets covered the Old Testament.

The law of God given to Moses was for Israel just before they entered the promised land. Duet 10 & 11. However, the commandments still apply to Gentile believers who are in Christ [Romans 7:4-6, Romans 8:1-4] and whose law is written in their hearts. Romans 2

14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

A statute/regulation was also passed on behalf of the Gentiles coming to Christ, when a dispute broke out between some men of Judea and the Apostles. The Apostles took their grievances to the Council at Jerusalem where they questioned whether Gentiles coming to Christ should be circumcised. It was therefore agreed that James' judgment on this matter would stand. Acts 15

19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

I do know God does not have two or thee sets of rules where one set of rules is for Him, another set for the Jews, and another for the Gentiles. There is only one Bible and one set of rules for everybody where God Himself abides by that same rules, otherwise; He cannot be a “Just and Fair” God.

What you have forgotten is the new covenant which Jesus purchased with his own blood. This covenant was for the Gentiles and the Jews. Many of the Jews however ~ did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah ~ the coming one, Yeshua Ha Mashiach ~ The anointed one.

Ephesians 2
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

The rest of the comments speak for themselves

Bless ya!

aspen · Mar 16, 2015

pom2014 said:
Aspen this has nothing to do with the catholics.
This is from The King.
Marriage should be until death.
If there is infidelity, then marriage can be ended, but reconciliation would be better.
If they divorce, neither can marry until one spouse dies.
There is NO marriage in the resurrection, marriage is for the children of this world.
This is straight from our sovereign.

Of course it has to do with Catholics, I am Catholic.
Should be? We should be in the Garden. We are living the Fall, right now.
You can't think of any other reason for divorce, huh? Do you realize you are advocating for spousal abuse? And refusing to recognize hundreds of other reasons for divorce?
Women were considered the property of men when the Bible was written; thankfully, times have changed

StanJ · Mar 16, 2015

pom2014 said:
Aspen this has nothing to do with the catholics.

This is from The King.

Marriage should be until death.
If there is infidelity, then marriage can be ended, but reconciliation would be better.
If they divorce, neither can marry until one spouse dies.
There is NO marriage in the resurrection, marriage is for the children of this world.

This is straight from our sovereign.

Maybe you can supply a little scripture to support your POV here?

KingJ · Mar 17, 2015

pom2014 said:
I hold fast to The King.

He said no divorce, except for adultery.

No remarriage, except when the spouse dies.

That's Our Sovereign Lord saying that. There are NO exceptions. And in fact, he'd rather there be reconciliation over divorce; just as God reconciled his relationship with us through Grace.

Its clear, no way to misinterpret.

Amen!

Jun2u · Mar 17, 2015

FHII

In the U.S, when a person is from the East Coast and another from the West Coast, both are still considered American Citizens, likewise; Israel and Judah are both Jews.

Israel was known as the “Northern Tribe” and Judah the “Southern Tribe” in the Old Testament. Therefore; both are called Ancient or National Israel as pointing to one people.

Go ahead and check me out.

To God Be The Glory

pom2014 · Mar 17, 2015

Aspen, you're desire for divorce for reasons other adultery is not what God has instituted. You can come up with a myriad of reasons why you should be able to, but God said no.

So you have to ask yourself, whose on the throne? God or you?

Stan

Matthew 5 discusses divorce and what is permitted.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11 deals with separation.

Luke 20 deals with death ends marriage and no marriage in the resurrection.

These are all very well documented verses. Why they must be posted when they are well known seems very odd.

StanJ · Mar 17, 2015

pom2014 said:
Stan

Matthew 5 discusses divorce and what is permitted.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11 deals with separation.

Luke 20 deals with death ends marriage and no marriage in the resurrection.

These are all very well documented verses. Why they must be posted when they are well known seems very odd.

because that's the way discussion forums work POM. You made a statement now support your statement with scripture. It doesn't matter how well known those scriptures are, it matters how well you properly exegete them to support your POV. As the OP, this is your responsibility.

The OP: REMARRIAGE

Your post; The King says that it can only be done if your spouse has died.

That is not a fact regardless of what scripture you now post.

Let's not be equivocating on this issues shall we? It serves no useful purpose.

FHII · Mar 18, 2015

Jun2u said:
FHII

In the U.S, when a person is from the East Coast and another from the West Coast, both are still considered American Citizens, likewise; Israel and Judah are both Jews.

Israel was known as the “Northern Tribe” and Judah the “Southern Tribe” in the Old Testament. Therefore; both are called Ancient or National Israel as pointing to one people.

Go ahead and check me out.

To God Be The Glory

1. Not all of Israel are Jews.
2. They were separate kingdoms, with separate kings, and even went to war with one another at a certain time.
3. God treated them as separate wives in the mentioned text.

Jun2u · Mar 21, 2015

[SIZE=14pt]FHII[/SIZE]

1. Not all of Americans are Native Indians.
2. The States were once divided into the “North” and “South” States and
went to war with each other.
3. God treated them not as separate but one people.

I do not have a good command of the English language but you sure take the cake, so to speak, by your kind of remarks.

As your label (name) is scattered al over this forum, you should be more thorough in your responses to the topics you wish to discuss.

FHII · Mar 21, 2015

Jun2u said:
FHII

1. Not all of Americans are Native Indians.
2. The States were once divided into the “North” and “South” States and
went to war with each other.
3. God treated them not as separate but one people.

I do not have a good command of the English language but you sure take the cake, so to speak, by your kind of remarks.

As your label (name) is scattered al over this forum, you should be more thorough in your responses to the topics you wish to discuss.

No, God spoke of them separately. He divorced israel (not judah) and threatened judah with divorce.

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