Mental Illness due to Demonic Possession

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Wakka

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I agree - we should worship God alone. I think I've said that about five times in this thread alone.
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We pray to the Saints and ask them to pray for us - TO GOD. Just like you might ask your friend to pray for you. Same thing. And no, it's not talking to dead people because the Saints are very much alive in heaven. I think I posted the verses where it speaks of them praying in heaven. (Rev 5:8) If you believe this is wrong, please show me the verse in the bible where it says we should only pray to God. The verses you posted that I quoted speak of worship. Cornelius was going to "worship" Peter. That is wrong. ALL WORSHIP goes to God alone.
What makes you think that the saints can hear your prayers. What makes you think that Marry could hear your prayers. Only the Lord can hear prayers.
 

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The human mind is not innately flawed, and while the Bible records mental illness as being one of the indications of a demonic possession, it is not an absolute, and disease certainly isn't a punishment of god. God leaves man to his own devices and if he turns from god, god will turn from him. Your big brother isn't going to pick on you, but he sure isn't going to fend off those bullies that harass you. Mental illness is mostly attributed to environment and exposure to veiled and unknown chemicals existing within that environment. For the first twelve years of my life, I suffered from seizures, does God punish three year old children with disease? I think not. It was due to complications during birth, I believe that God does allow the pieces to fall where they may, so that we are given a choice on how to proceed, so that we are given circumstance with which we may build character or morality or wallow in sin. I could have resented god for the trauma I went through, however, I decided to pursue a relationship with God to help guard my body and mind from ill health. John Chapter 9Verse 1. "As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth." Verse 2. "And His disciples asked Him, 'Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?'"Verse 3. "Jesus answered, 'It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.'" Source Because I'm bad with quotes.
 

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Yes there is lot demonic possession in peoples' lives and don't have to be even mental illness. Devil tries everything to destroy peoples' lives. We just need to guard our hearts and put whole armour of God on.Resist the devil and He will flee.
 

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I rarely talk about this, but I think God has answered many of my prayers about this.I was diagnosed with clinical depression many years ago, and have had on and off struggles for a long time. Long story short: There were many times when I was trying to deal with a situation and I could not figure out how to cope. So, I would harm myself, sometimes seriously, sometimes not too seriously. But I often did not remember what exactly happened, just the general chain of events.There were certain times I did remember everything; many of these times was before I came back to The Lord. But, and some of these even happened after I repented and wanted Christ first in my life, I would shake myself around violently, scratching my chest or neck or arms, or even cut myself with a razor and just keep cutting, countless times. I know these things happened, but I do not have any idea what I was thinking or feeling at the time.I know that evil in the world and sin in our lives is definitely a cause of this. But there really were times I felt like... I was somewhere else, or I wasn't me anymore. It was very frightening and scary to me. I don't like to talk about it, but I have prayed about it. I haven't had that happen in many months, which I am so thankful for. I have been tempted to hurt myself before, but God always gives me a sign or just holds me and shows me that He is there and I am okay. :amen:
 

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I rarely talk about this, but I think God has answered many of my prayers about this.I was diagnosed with clinical depression many years ago, and have had on and off struggles for a long time. Long story short: There were many times when I was trying to deal with a situation and I could not figure out how to cope. So, I would harm myself, sometimes seriously, sometimes not too seriously. But I often did not remember what exactly happened, just the general chain of events.There were certain times I did remember everything; many of these times was before I came back to The Lord. But, and some of these even happened after I repented and wanted Christ first in my life, I would shake myself around violently, scratching my chest or neck or arms, or even cut myself with a razor and just keep cutting, countless times. I know these things happened, but I do not have any idea what I was thinking or feeling at the time.I know that evil in the world and sin in our lives is definitely a cause of this. But there really were times I felt like... I was somewhere else, or I wasn't me anymore. It was very frightening and scary to me. I don't like to talk about it, but I have prayed about it. I haven't had that happen in many months, which I am so thankful for. I have been tempted to hurt myself before, but God always gives me a sign or just holds me and shows me that He is there and I am okay. :amen:
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I rarely talk about this, but I think God has answered many of my prayers about this.I was diagnosed with clinical depression many years ago, and have had on and off struggles for a long time. Long story short: There were many times when I was trying to deal with a situation and I could not figure out how to cope. So, I would harm myself, sometimes seriously, sometimes not too seriously. But I often did not remember what exactly happened, just the general chain of events.There were certain times I did remember everything; many of these times was before I came back to The Lord. But, and some of these even happened after I repented and wanted Christ first in my life, I would shake myself around violently, scratching my chest or neck or arms, or even cut myself with a razor and just keep cutting, countless times. I know these things happened, but I do not have any idea what I was thinking or feeling at the time.I know that evil in the world and sin in our lives is definitely a cause of this. But there really were times I felt like... I was somewhere else, or I wasn't me anymore. It was very frightening and scary to me. I don't like to talk about it, but I have prayed about it. I haven't had that happen in many months, which I am so thankful for. I have been tempted to hurt myself before, but God always gives me a sign or just holds me and shows me that He is there and I am okay. :amen:
Hi Cassilee,I've suffered anxiety,panic and a deep depression for many years of my life. Mental illness runs in my family. Even when at first I became to know Jesus, I still sruggled a lot with my condition. I didn't get any support or proper guidance or teaching for a long time. I went to so deep depression that I needed medical help. I loved the Lord with all my heart, He was the only one that I really could trust. People prayed for me, Pastor casted out the devil. I was prayed a lot. I asked God why He didn't want to heal me, I did not get the answer, I still loved God but I felt a bit angry, because I thought I wanted to be healed, the Bible promises us healing, but I was not healed.Many times I asked God to take me to heaven, because I was not able to help anybody the way I was, I felt so useless. For me it's been a long journey like a process. What I've been through has tought me a lot. I'm thankful for people who understood and were there for me, I'm thankful for my supportive husband, who was there for me.He always said: "There is a bigger purpose for me going through that. God has a reason for me to go through this." I'm even thankful for those people who had judgemental attitude, through them I grew stronger as a person. If I'd have instant healing I would have not understand what it's like to suffer from anxiety, panic, depression. I'm not against instant healing actually I pray that for people that they would not need to suffer that way. But now I have compassion for people in similar cases. Everybody is different. And there are some that you are unable to help. I just thank God how He's been faithful and that He did not heal me right away. I've grown as a person so much through this. So for me it's been a Blessing. And I've been able to to testify God's faithfulness and love for other sufferers.God Bless,Thunder1
 

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In so many ways it's unbeleivable how wrong you are. First of all you owe apoligies to everyone out there who has tourettes, and one of those is me. I also have a new case of coprolalia-the swearing thing. Most people with Tourettes do not have coprolalia, it's very rare. second of all, it's a neurological- NEUROLOGICAL!- disorder, not in any way a mental disorder. This is why you need to apologise. Yea normal human beings do run around with that stuff in there heads, if they were raised with it. I was. And I am so not possessed. If you were to come at me with In the name of God I command you to come out I would be very angry and maybe scared. Just like that guy. Because first of all the guy was not possessed, but you are saying he is, that would frighten many. I would be angry because it is not something I wanted to say and you are treating me like a FREAK, and that is so wrong. And it would be hurtful to me that you suggested that because I am having a neurological problem that I am possessed. I could not go to church today due to the swearing. I want to. But most would be offended. It's only been about 5 days since I have been doing this. I am trying a medication, but there is no guarentee it will work. There is no specific cure for this out there. My friend at church, I tried to call her and my husband had to take over the conversation. Like she said the devil is trying to tear us down but that is a far cry from being possessed.Third of all, the video has been outed as a phony. The guy does not have tourettes, he was just upset at the trick his friends played on him. Yea, now a days kids have that crap running around in their heads. Does it mean the are demonic? Are you kidding me? Of course not, just that they know alot of words that upset alot of people. THEY ARE JUST WORDS.
 

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the catholic church says in essence says:you cant have enough faith or a good enough relationship with God to thisonly our appointed priest can do thisAnd was this what Jesus meant when he did basically the same thing and appointed Peter as the leader of the early catholic church. did he appoint peter to a high position to tell the other christians that your faith is not good enough?? because the catholic church does the exact same thing with there priest, and by calling the church in error. right now you are calling God in error.People brought the sick onto the streets and laid them on beds and mats so that at least Peter's shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by (Acts 5:15).why would the early christian church do this if they were in the position themselves. Because they wanted a leader to do it, and God knew that and appointed a leader to do it. and would you say that peter is healing people by himself. No anybody who studies the bible would realize Peter was doing this through God. It is the same way with most of the catholic churched priest.your brother in christRyan Fitz
There is not one bit of biblical evidence that says that Christ made Peter the head of the catholic church, at least in my Bible. He may have made him the head of the early Christian church. But the catholic's have gone far from this now to worshiping the apostles and Mary worship. They also say you need to go through the priest to be absolved of sins, which is not biblical, you only need to go through Christ to be absolved from sins, he is our mediator not the priest. Only God can forgive sins. So clearly it not the only true church if they can't even get this right. You need to study the Bible and not the Catholic one, to find out where the church is wrong. If they are wrong, can they be the true church? Also, there are many other churches that perform exorcism, mine has. I am not sure who is involved, I believe Elders and the pastor. And it's not done for Neurological disorders either, or mental illness. That is what prayer is for. I do have depression too, it's treated by meds fairly well. Because it is a chemical imbalance. Is the devil attacking me? Sure he is, he attacks many Christians who are trying to change their lives to be better. But i am not possessed, but I am in need of some very intense prayer.
 

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I agree - we should worship God alone. I think I've said that about five times in this thread alone.
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We pray to the Saints and ask them to pray for us - TO GOD. Just like you might ask your friend to pray for you. Same thing. And no, it's not talking to dead people because the Saints are very much alive in heaven. I think I posted the verses where it speaks of them praying in heaven. (Rev 5:8) If you believe this is wrong, please show me the verse in the bible where it says we should only pray to God. The verses you posted that I quoted speak of worship. Cornelius was going to "worship" Peter. That is wrong. ALL WORSHIP goes to God alone.
We are not supposed to talk to the dead. It is the bible. The saints are dead. Actually, to tell you the truth, they are not all dead, because, we are the saints, according to the bible. The twelve apostales are dead, and so is Mary. So You are not to talk with the dead.:naughty: They are dead until Jesus returns to earth to come and get us.
 

Wakka

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I hope you get over your mental illness.I was saying that the guy in the video shouts only profanities. Why profanities?
 

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this comment is about the thread titlethere is no system to exorcisms christ cast them out with a word do you remember when the disciples came to Jesus and said we caught someone using your name to cast out a demon so we rebuked him and told him to stopand then The Lord rebuked them for itsee the thing is if you belive in the power that is behind that name then that is enoughnow if you come up against a paticulary resistant demon/spirit it says in the bible to pray and fast, thats it!now along with doing these things there is also putting on the full armor off God which should always be on for a follower of Christ sometimes I dont understand why we make such a big deal out of such little things that are plainly laid out for usas far as terrets goes it is absolutly an evil spirit the terrets victims i have been around ALWAYS speak blasphomy against the Lord but ive found its not neccesarily something the person has done to bring this spirit upon themselvesmaybe its just a matter like the man who was born blind so that he would manifest the works of God through Christ when he was healedand if this is so than we better b line it to the nearest mental institution because we havnt been doing our jobs!(not that every metal illness is demon related)
 

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Turok: For the first twelve years of my life, I suffered from seizures, does God punish three year old children with disease? I think not. It was due to complications during birth, I believe that God does allow the pieces to fall where they may, so that we are given a choice on how to proceed, so that we are given circumstance with which we may build character or morality or wallow in sin. I could have resented god for the trauma I went through, however, I decided to pursue a relationship with God to help guard my body and mind from ill health. Thunder1:I suffered from panic attacks and severe anxiety since childhood. I understand you Turok. What has been thrown my way, God has made it a huge blessing. And experience has definetely build my character for better.God Bless,Thunder1
 

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That is what it's called. It is a disorder, you yell out things that are inapropriate. Many yell out profanity, they can't help it. It is a neurological disorder. I do not blasphemy the lord, thank you very much. And did you miss the part about the fact that only a few with tourettes have this coprolalia? It is not a mental illness, any more than the person with seizures has a mental illness. It also is a neurological disorder. Before you go around telling people its possession and say it's a mental illness, you should get your facts right. You want to talk about mental illness possibly being possession then pick an actual mental illness to talk about. I wish I could recover from it. Instead of claiming that I am possessed, could maybe you send out some prayers instead and show a bit of compassion? Also there is more than one tourettes guy video out there I hear. At least one, the guy made it all up, acting as if he thought a person should act if they had tourettes. The other one I understand was just angry, and that is why he swore that much. They stopped the video before he started talking. Both are defaming to tourettes, since it is only a very small amount of people who tic swear words.
 

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I've been a Nurse in Nursing Homes for 10 years and have seen alot of all you all have mentioned. While I think on this...that brain chemical imbalances do cause a variety of alterations and thus physical expressions, and medications DO usually help some or greatly these manifestations, my Big thought is this, and I do believe as all of you...that satan is having a hayday with alot of people....what is the connection between having a weakened or compromised mind...brain chemicals...illness, etc... to demon possession? Granted everyone isn't possessed, but some are so obviously manifesting a satanic spirit with words, facial exressions, great fears, etc...You can debate that this is just physiological, but if so, why is it that a major part of mentally disturbed portray these evil kind of manifestations? Why might they not display something else...I mean by and large? Alot that can be discussed, but it's an obvious observation, and some of us know how real satan and his army are, in normal people's lives let alone those who are so weakened. Doesn't he show up when he finds a place of weakness? You bet! Kim