God does not author confusionsHave you ever read the book of revelationsand anyways from Mathew a book that makes perfect since"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."and then you have the comparison of The old and the newany harm follows, then you shall give life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."God authors confusions, they make perfect since. you just have to think. Which is why there is a difference between my doctrine and yours as we think some of the confusions in the bible differentley.
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If Peter was the first pope, then why don't the pope or priests marry? Peter was married since it mentions his mother-in-law in Matthew 8:14.And, yes, Jesus is God, but that still does not make her the mother of God, but a woman who was blessed among all women because of bearing the son of God.
" yes Jesus was God but that does not make her the mother of God, she is just the women carrying the son of God."what
In other words Jesus was God and mary gave birth to God but that does not make her the mother of God, that just makes her the the mother of God.and I don't really have a good answer for your first one, i'm going to "go fishing" for the catholic answer in a little bit.I am going to start becoming a catholic priest as soon as I finish Highschool and I Know it is a calling from God to remain chaste. so as for me it is Gods will, but I do not know the answer that applies to everybody.Your brother in christRyan Fitz
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Could you please explain to me how honoring the Mother of God (Jesus Christ) translates to a mystery cult dealing with the feminine?
This is not honoring Mary, this is blasphemy goldy. This is my fellow greek people's god. In every house in every store you enter you see this picture. Great almighty Mary and liiittle baby Jesus. More than a hundred Orthodox chapels and churches are named after Mary. They pray to her as if she can hear their prayer and mediate to God. Now don't tell me this is not the case with the Catholic church because that is where the Orthodox came. They were once one church, and lately they are trying to achieve unity again.Let me mention some verses and see what place had Mary in Jesus's life. It's as if the bible had foreseen this herecy coming and makes these references concerning the relationship between Mary and Jesus, which is in NO WAY relationship between mother and child so that someone would dare to say that a human gave birth to God. Jesus made Mary, not the other way around, simple as that.First of all the fact that Mary had children is UNQUESTIONABLE just by reading Mat. 1:9. Second, Jesus calls Mary woman and states that has no special relation to her whatsoever in John 2:4. Third reference that we can see who Jesus calls family, is mentioned in more than one Gospels, but I'll just mention Mat. 12:46. Lastly there is a reference in Luke 11:27 which clearly states that whoever hears the word of God, and keeps it, is more blessed (this is not the word in the greek text, but it's the best rendering) than Mary, exactly as He said in the same Luke 7:28 about John the baptist, that "he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.". Should I dare to say that if you and I hear the word of God, and keep it are more blessed than Mary? Jesus says it is so.Having said all these, I by no means think of Mary less than what she was, a blessed woman of her time in Israel, that was chosen to deliver the body and flesh for Jesus to walk on this earth as human. She was a tool, an instrument, a "vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use". Just as were Noah and Moses. Nothing more, nothing less.Praise our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. "Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen."
Could you please explain to me how honoring the Mother of God (Jesus Christ) translates to a mystery cult dealing with the feminine?
BRING OUT THE BIG GUNS!!!!!!But I ask you is this picture saying anything else then Mary is Holy and is giving birth to Jesus Christ our lord and savior.and who said they were worshipping mary Ive said this so many times, Wait you know what this time I'll let Goldy say it, she says it so much clearer There's no Catholic rule that says we HAVE TO PRAY TO MARY OR THE SAINTS. Actually, we aren't praying to them.....we're asking them to pray for us because yes, we do think they are alive in Christ."
(Letsgofishing;25008)
BRING OUT THE BIG GUNS!!!!!!But I ask you is this picture saying anything else then Mary is Holy and is giving birth to Jesus Christ our lord and savior.and who said they were worshipping mary Ive said this so many times, Wait you know what this time I'll let Goldy say it, she says it so much clearer There's no Catholic rule that says we HAVE TO PRAY TO MARY OR THE SAINTS. Actually, we aren't praying to them.....we're asking them to pray for us because yes, we do think they are alive in Christ."
I believe that to be true but thats not the problem the problem is they do not say it is a sin. They allow it to continue which is the same as endorsing it why would that be so differnt than a Baptrist church putting a statue of David in every chuch and allowing the members to worship it????
BRING OUT THE BIG GUNS!!!!!!But I ask you is this picture saying anything else then Mary is Holy and is giving birth to Jesus Christ our lord and savior.and who said they were worshipping mary Ive said this so many times, Wait you know what this time I'll let Goldy say it, she says it so much clearer There's no Catholic rule that says we HAVE TO PRAY TO MARY OR THE SAINTS. Actually, we aren't praying to them.....we're asking them to pray for us because yes, we do think they are alive in Christ."
I believe that to be true but thats not the problem the problem is they do not say it is a sin. They allow it to continue which is the same as endorsing it why would that be so differnt than a Baptrist church putting a statue of David in every chuch and allowing the members to worship it????
Yeah and speaking as a fellow catholic they have no reason to proclaim it a sin.Where in the bible does it say not to ask somebody not to pray for you and help you.oh wait it encourages it." when two or three people gather in my name the lod is among you" Can't we do that with the saints. The following argument has been posted byRyan FitzGod Bless
Thats is a complete twist on scripture it says two or three meaning people in prayer group not praying to a diety. THOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE MEWe are Never supposed to pray to the dead
but we believe they are still alive.and besides WE DON"T CONSIDER THE SAINTS A DIETY.I love you kriss but the worship accusations are getting annoying
we do not place the saints above God, we don't place them even close.Your brother in christ Ryan Fitz
Hi goldy,What is the definition of "anti-christ"? It means "instead of Christ".So if you go to prayer to anyone else instead of Jesus since He is the only Mediator between us and the Father... how does that not make Mary the "anti-christ"?Going to Letsgofishing and asking him to pray with you is not the same thing as going to Mary to "pray" to her. In other words, when you go to Letsgofishing, you are not "praying" to him... you are asking him to pray with you. So you can't use that anology of going to the living on this planet to pray for you as if that is the same as going in "prayer" to Mary in the spiritual realm to get to God for it is not the same thing. When anyone else pray anywhere in the world, where are their prayers directed to? Their gods. If you want the world to identify you as a believer in Jesus being the Son of God then pray to Jesus. And that title.. Queen of Heaven, has been in the world before Mary. To stand apart from the world, no way would God allow Mary to be dignified in that manner... and no way would God allow Mary to be placed in that position to cause believers to go astray after the "Queen of Heaven" which is of the world to be identified with the world.If you are going to address God in the Heavenly realm, then you have to go through the One God sent: Jesus Christ. If you go to Mary, then by definition of the anti-christ... you are making "her" the anti-christ, because you are going to her "instead of Christ". You want to talk to God? Then you honor His Son by going to Jesus in prayer.You really think Mary would mind it that you "just" go to the Saviour in prayer only? I think not. So why not abstain from all appearances of evil and just go to Jesus in prayer for it is by Him, we can pray to the Father. Why add more run arounds with Mary and the other saints? That is like bearing witness that your relationship with the Saviour is not very personal or close that you do not feel freely to come to Him. You may say otherwise, but by your practise alone, it does beg to differ. For Someone that gave up His life for you, I would think that would warrant far more attention than someone else that did not die for you or prove their love for you.Nowhere has there been any invitation to anyone else except to Jesus. To go to anyone else for anything for which Jesus is for, Mary for prayer or the RCC for the salvation, then you are doing so "instead of Christ".Oh.. and before you deny that the RCC never said salvation can be obtained through them... your catechism is here saying otherwise.... "The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: 'For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained.'" Pg. 215, #816 "...all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation..." Pg. 224, #8461From article "Pope Meets with Youth of Various Christian Confessions," Vatican City, 5/7/01 (VIS) reported by the Catholic Information Network, 5/9/01, N. 86 At the Greek-Melkite Cathedral of Damascus on May 7, 2001, Pope John Paul II told 2,000 youth gathered that...
....you cannot be a Christian if you reject the Church founded on Jesus Christ.
Only God can redeem you as His. Nothing else. That is His glory alone.Thus going to the RCC for salvation instead of Christ is the same as going to Mary for prayer instead of Christ, thus making the RCC and Mary the anti-christs by your actions.Jesus said that all those that come before Him are thieves and robbers. So.. not only are the practises of the RCC and Mary are coming before Christ robbing Him of His glory as Saviour and as the only Mediator between God and man, but by doing so... it is "instead of Christ".So.... giving attributes of the Son of God to the RCC for salvation or to Mary for mediation AND going to them instead of Christ would pretty much fulfill the qualification of an "anti-christ". I am sure the real Mary would not feel so "honored".
....you cannot be a Christian if you reject the Church founded on Jesus Christ.
Only God can redeem you as His. Nothing else. That is His glory alone.Thus going to the RCC for salvation instead of Christ is the same as going to Mary for prayer instead of Christ, thus making the RCC and Mary the anti-christs by your actions.Jesus said that all those that come before Him are thieves and robbers. So.. not only are the practises of the RCC and Mary are coming before Christ robbing Him of His glory as Saviour and as the only Mediator between God and man, but by doing so... it is "instead of Christ".So.... giving attributes of the Son of God to the RCC for salvation or to Mary for mediation AND going to them instead of Christ would pretty much fulfill the qualification of an "anti-christ". I am sure the real Mary would not feel so "honored".
(Pariah;25056)
Hi goldy,What is the definition of "anti-christ"? It means "instead of Christ".So if you go to prayer to anyone else instead of Jesus since He is the only Mediator between us and the Father... how does that not make Mary the "anti-christ"?Going to Letsgofishing and asking him to pray with you is not the same thing as going to Mary to "pray" to her. In other words, when you go to Letsgofishing, you are not "praying" to him... you are asking him to pray with you. So you can't use that anology of going to the living on this planet to pray for you as if that is the same as going in "prayer" to Mary in the spiritual realm to get to God for it is not the same thing. When anyone else pray anywhere in the world, where are their prayers directed to? Their gods. If you want the world to identify you as a believer in Jesus being the Son of God then pray to Jesus. And that title.. Queen of Heaven, has been in the world before Mary. To stand apart from the world, no way would God allow Mary to be dignified in that manner... and no way would God allow Mary to be placed in that position to cause believers to go astray after the "Queen of Heaven" which is of the world to be identified with the world.If you are going to address God in the Heavenly realm, then you have to go through the One God sent: Jesus Christ. If you go to Mary, then by definition of the anti-christ... you are making "her" the anti-christ, because you are going to her "instead of Christ". You want to talk to God? Then you honor His Son by going to Jesus in prayer.You really think Mary would mind it that you "just" go to the Saviour in prayer only? I think not. So why not abstain from all appearances of evil and just go to Jesus in prayer for it is by Him, we can pray to the Father. Why add more run arounds with Mary and the other saints? That is like bearing witness that your relationship with the Saviour is not very personal or close that you do not feel freely to come to Him. You may say otherwise, but by your practise alone, it does beg to differ. For Someone that gave up His life for you, I would think that would warrant far more attention than someone else that did not die for you or prove their love for you.Nowhere has there been any invitation to anyone else except to Jesus. To go to anyone else for anything for which Jesus is for, Mary for prayer or the RCC for the salvation, then you are doing so "instead of Christ".Oh.. and before you deny that the RCC never said salvation can be obtained through them... your catechism is here saying otherwise.... "The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: 'For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained.'" Pg. 215, #816 "...all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation..." Pg. 224, #8461From article "Pope Meets with Youth of Various Christian Confessions," Vatican City, 5/7/01 (VIS) reported by the Catholic Information Network, 5/9/01, N. 86 At the Greek-Melkite Cathedral of Damascus on May 7, 2001, Pope John Paul II told 2,000 youth gathered that...
....you cannot be a Christian if you reject the Church founded on Jesus Christ.
Only God can redeem you as His. Nothing else. That is His glory alone.Thus going to the RCC for salvation instead of Christ is the same as going to Mary for prayer instead of Christ, thus making the RCC and Mary the anti-christs by your actions.Jesus said that all those that come before Him are thieves and robbers. So.. not only are the practises of the RCC and Mary are coming before Christ robbing Him of His glory as Saviour and as the only Mediator between God and man, but by doing so... it is "instead of Christ".So.... giving attributes of the Son of God to the RCC for salvation or to Mary for mediation AND going to them instead of Christ would pretty much fulfill the qualification of an "anti-christ". I am sure the real Mary would not feel so "honored".Very true post Pariah. I agree 100%. Amen!Jag
Hi goldy,What is the definition of "anti-christ"? It means "instead of Christ".So if you go to prayer to anyone else instead of Jesus since He is the only Mediator between us and the Father... how does that not make Mary the "anti-christ"?Going to Letsgofishing and asking him to pray with you is not the same thing as going to Mary to "pray" to her. In other words, when you go to Letsgofishing, you are not "praying" to him... you are asking him to pray with you. So you can't use that anology of going to the living on this planet to pray for you as if that is the same as going in "prayer" to Mary in the spiritual realm to get to God for it is not the same thing. When anyone else pray anywhere in the world, where are their prayers directed to? Their gods. If you want the world to identify you as a believer in Jesus being the Son of God then pray to Jesus. And that title.. Queen of Heaven, has been in the world before Mary. To stand apart from the world, no way would God allow Mary to be dignified in that manner... and no way would God allow Mary to be placed in that position to cause believers to go astray after the "Queen of Heaven" which is of the world to be identified with the world.If you are going to address God in the Heavenly realm, then you have to go through the One God sent: Jesus Christ. If you go to Mary, then by definition of the anti-christ... you are making "her" the anti-christ, because you are going to her "instead of Christ". You want to talk to God? Then you honor His Son by going to Jesus in prayer.You really think Mary would mind it that you "just" go to the Saviour in prayer only? I think not. So why not abstain from all appearances of evil and just go to Jesus in prayer for it is by Him, we can pray to the Father. Why add more run arounds with Mary and the other saints? That is like bearing witness that your relationship with the Saviour is not very personal or close that you do not feel freely to come to Him. You may say otherwise, but by your practise alone, it does beg to differ. For Someone that gave up His life for you, I would think that would warrant far more attention than someone else that did not die for you or prove their love for you.Nowhere has there been any invitation to anyone else except to Jesus. To go to anyone else for anything for which Jesus is for, Mary for prayer or the RCC for the salvation, then you are doing so "instead of Christ".Oh.. and before you deny that the RCC never said salvation can be obtained through them... your catechism is here saying otherwise.... "The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: 'For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained.'" Pg. 215, #816 "...all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation..." Pg. 224, #8461From article "Pope Meets with Youth of Various Christian Confessions," Vatican City, 5/7/01 (VIS) reported by the Catholic Information Network, 5/9/01, N. 86 At the Greek-Melkite Cathedral of Damascus on May 7, 2001, Pope John Paul II told 2,000 youth gathered that...
....you cannot be a Christian if you reject the Church founded on Jesus Christ.
Only God can redeem you as His. Nothing else. That is His glory alone.Thus going to the RCC for salvation instead of Christ is the same as going to Mary for prayer instead of Christ, thus making the RCC and Mary the anti-christs by your actions.Jesus said that all those that come before Him are thieves and robbers. So.. not only are the practises of the RCC and Mary are coming before Christ robbing Him of His glory as Saviour and as the only Mediator between God and man, but by doing so... it is "instead of Christ".So.... giving attributes of the Son of God to the RCC for salvation or to Mary for mediation AND going to them instead of Christ would pretty much fulfill the qualification of an "anti-christ". I am sure the real Mary would not feel so "honored".Very true post Pariah. I agree 100%. Amen!Jag
I'm going to let Goldy explain the queen of heaven reference as I would just confuse us all
as for the catholic church saying that the way of salvation is throught them. ( hope the pope isn't reading this, never mind yes I do
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS WRONG!!!!!!! the way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. The catholic church has always been ignorant of its role in christianity, they have tried to be " the christian church" instead of a christian church.The christian church is all who believe Jesus is God and has died for them, that is who salvation is through Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ alone. if you read deep in catholicism exposed I put a list of about agizzilion churches the church has split into. All of those are the christian church not just us catholics. and all of those are a way of reaching Jesus Christ the way of salvation, not just us catholics.
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I love you kriss but the worship accusations are getting annoying we do not place the saints above God, we don't place them even close.
I love you also letsgofishing and I didnt post most of them however I am guilty of agreeing with them. But if you feel its getting to personal I will close the thread because I dont feel it is of help to anyoneKriss, you must not be guilty in agreeing with Truth. You must not be ashamed of Truth.Mark 8:38 - Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
I love you kriss but the worship accusations are getting annoying we do not place the saints above God, we don't place them even close.
I love you also letsgofishing and I didnt post most of them however I am guilty of agreeing with them. But if you feel its getting to personal I will close the thread because I dont feel it is of help to anyoneKriss, you must not be guilty in agreeing with Truth. You must not be ashamed of Truth.Mark 8:38 - Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
Pk Jag I'm not argueing with you anymore we got our seperate opinons and all this is doing is dragging us apart, when we should be becoming closer as christian brothers.And Kriss Don't close this Post down, it just gets annoying when I have to explain the idea in 17 different ways every day. All I'm saying is as catholics WE KNOW we aren't worshipping mary as we use Mary as a way to worship God.so stop accusing us, we know you got seperate opinons, and obviously I don't care, By debating our christian faith our faith can become stronger. and it also can become weaker that is why we have to be careful as we are seeing the reason why the christian church has split apart. and it is not even all about beliefs, its about My beliefs are better then yours, and your denomination is going to hell. and personally I'm sick of it. The catholic church is guilty of it too.and as we have also seen here, we don't listen to our opinons at all because if there opinon is correct that would be admitting that there belief is better then ours.This is about making our faith stronger, its not a competition. and if it continues to be one, please shut it down Kriss. Lets state our opinons give our reasons for doing so, and have a fun and meaningful time at it. But lets not make this a grudge match.We already have seperation outside this forum, lets not cause it in this forum,and I am sorry if I have caused some of these seperationsRyan Fitz
(Letsgofishing;25069)
Pk Jag I'm not argueing with you anymore we got our seperate opinons and all this is doing is dragging us apart, when we should be becoming closer as christian brothers.And Kriss Don't close this Post down, it just gets annoying when I have to explain the idea in 17 different ways every day. All I'm saying is as catholics WE KNOW we aren't worshipping mary as we use Mary as a way to worship God.so stop accusing us, we know you got seperate opinons, and obviously I don't care, By debating our christian faith our faith can become stronger. and it also can become weaker that is why we have to be careful as we are seeing the reason why the christian church has split apart. and it is not even all about beliefs, its about My beliefs are better then yours, and your denomination is going to hell. and personally I'm sick of it. The catholic church is guilty of it too.and as we have also seen here, we don't listen to our opinons at all because if there opinon is correct that would be admitting that there belief is better then ours.This is about making our faith stronger, its not a competition. and if it continues to be one, please shut it down Kriss. Lets state our opinons give our reasons for doing so, and have a fun and meaningful time at it. But lets not make this a grudge match.We already have seperation outside this forum, lets not cause it in this forum,and I am sorry if I have caused some of these seperationsRyan Fitz
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, nothing good comes out of debate. Only thing that is good that came out of it, is to show you the Truth that Christ said...what the scripture saith.John 5:39 - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.Jag
Pk Jag I'm not argueing with you anymore we got our seperate opinons and all this is doing is dragging us apart, when we should be becoming closer as christian brothers.And Kriss Don't close this Post down, it just gets annoying when I have to explain the idea in 17 different ways every day. All I'm saying is as catholics WE KNOW we aren't worshipping mary as we use Mary as a way to worship God.so stop accusing us, we know you got seperate opinons, and obviously I don't care, By debating our christian faith our faith can become stronger. and it also can become weaker that is why we have to be careful as we are seeing the reason why the christian church has split apart. and it is not even all about beliefs, its about My beliefs are better then yours, and your denomination is going to hell. and personally I'm sick of it. The catholic church is guilty of it too.and as we have also seen here, we don't listen to our opinons at all because if there opinon is correct that would be admitting that there belief is better then ours.This is about making our faith stronger, its not a competition. and if it continues to be one, please shut it down Kriss. Lets state our opinons give our reasons for doing so, and have a fun and meaningful time at it. But lets not make this a grudge match.We already have seperation outside this forum, lets not cause it in this forum,and I am sorry if I have caused some of these seperationsRyan Fitz
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, nothing good comes out of debate. Only thing that is good that came out of it, is to show you the Truth that Christ said...what the scripture saith.John 5:39 - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.Jag
(Letsgofishing;25069)
Pk Jag I'm not argueing with you anymore we got our seperate opinons and all this is doing is dragging us apart, when we should be becoming closer as christian brothers.And Kriss Don't close this Post down, it just gets annoying when I have to explain the idea in 17 different ways every day. All I'm saying is as catholics WE KNOW we aren't worshipping mary as we use Mary as a way to worship God.so stop accusing us, we know you got seperate opinons, and obviously I don't care, By debating our christian faith our faith can become stronger. and it also can become weaker that is why we have to be careful as we are seeing the reason why the christian church has split apart. and it is not even all about beliefs, its about My beliefs are better then yours, and your denomination is going to hell. and personally I'm sick of it. The catholic church is guilty of it too.and as we have also seen here, we don't listen to our opinons at all because if there opinon is correct that would be admitting that there belief is better then ours.This is about making our faith stronger, its not a competition. and if it continues to be one, please shut it down Kriss. Lets state our opinons give our reasons for doing so, and have a fun and meaningful time at it. But lets not make this a grudge match.We already have seperation outside this forum, lets not cause it in this forum,and I am sorry if I have caused some of these seperationsRyan Fitz
agree and you can ask for this thread to closed any time you feel it is not constructive.Letgofishing And Jag I wasnt apologizeing for my belief just being guity of adding to the negative tone
Pk Jag I'm not argueing with you anymore we got our seperate opinons and all this is doing is dragging us apart, when we should be becoming closer as christian brothers.And Kriss Don't close this Post down, it just gets annoying when I have to explain the idea in 17 different ways every day. All I'm saying is as catholics WE KNOW we aren't worshipping mary as we use Mary as a way to worship God.so stop accusing us, we know you got seperate opinons, and obviously I don't care, By debating our christian faith our faith can become stronger. and it also can become weaker that is why we have to be careful as we are seeing the reason why the christian church has split apart. and it is not even all about beliefs, its about My beliefs are better then yours, and your denomination is going to hell. and personally I'm sick of it. The catholic church is guilty of it too.and as we have also seen here, we don't listen to our opinons at all because if there opinon is correct that would be admitting that there belief is better then ours.This is about making our faith stronger, its not a competition. and if it continues to be one, please shut it down Kriss. Lets state our opinons give our reasons for doing so, and have a fun and meaningful time at it. But lets not make this a grudge match.We already have seperation outside this forum, lets not cause it in this forum,and I am sorry if I have caused some of these seperationsRyan Fitz
agree and you can ask for this thread to closed any time you feel it is not constructive.Letgofishing And Jag I wasnt apologizeing for my belief just being guity of adding to the negative tone
I am not saying that nothing good comes out of debate.In case you couldn't tell I love debating. There just comes to a point where debating turns to seperation and that is not what we want.If you could pray for me that I do find the truth, as that wouldn't hurt either of us.But weve been debating the same thing with the same points for the last 6 pages and we really haven't gotten much out of it except for seperation.I feel like weve gotten off on the wrong page Jag.I'm not catholic and your not protestantwe are both christians, and we are both brothers.can we start treating each other as brothers instead of all this bickeringYour brotherRyan Fitz
(Letsgofishing;25064)
The way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. The catholic church has always been ignorant of its role in christianity, they have tried to be " the christian church" instead of a christian church..
What a brilliant statement the only improvement I would make is to add all Protestant churches are guilty of the same.
The way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. The catholic church has always been ignorant of its role in christianity, they have tried to be " the christian church" instead of a christian church..
What a brilliant statement the only improvement I would make is to add all Protestant churches are guilty of the same.
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