Apostasy in the church

(thesuperjag;24912)
Meh, I'm not even close to being interested in bashing people. But rather I am only interested in telling Truth. If they don't believe it, then don't argue, cause you are only letting evil consume your time...if you do.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, our Lord and Saviour.
Reasoning together is not letting evil consume anyone. Jesus, Himself said "come now and let us reason together". You're coming from a flawed perspective of what Pre-Trib believers actually believe and that colors your opinion of them. Being that I am one I can tell you that we don't "put our armor on the wall" as you keep claiming; but rather we are told to live each day as if Christ would return at any moment. That hardly engenders a luke warm faith. The though that He may appear at any moment is the motivation to live as He would have us live, because we don't want to be caught unprepared. Belief in the Pre-Trib rapture of the Church doesn't keep us from sharing the faith, in fact its quite the opposite. We are encouraged to share our faith as much as we can because we are never assured of having tomorrow.Our beliefs encourage us to be ready more than any other. I don't understand how that is hard to see.

(jkdjr25;24881)
Logic says that they are the Jewish people as they are the Chosen people of God. Any claim to the contrary is a logical fallacy as the Bible clearly and specificly says otherwise. The children of Israel refers to the Jewish people, as such it follows that God has not broken His covenant with them. Christ Himself spoke of the renewing of the fig tree, which we saw in 1948 when Israel became a nation again. The Jewish people have been returning to their ancestral homeland for years now. It is all prophecy and its happening before our very eyes.
The chosen of God are all twelve tribes, one of which is the tribe of Judah. That one tribe is rightly called "Jews." Add to them the tribe of Benjamin that remained with them when they were taken captive. The other ten are called, by God, the house of Israel. They are the ten lost tribes that God scattered. Those 12 tribes are referred to separately as the house of Judah (Jews) and the house of Israel (the 10 lost tribes). Some, including me, believe that those "lost tribes" migrated through Europe to England and eventually to America. God didn't break His promise but there is more involved than the "nation" of Israel that began in 1948. Those of the "house" of Israel are heirs to His promise too and they are the Christian nations of today.........Whirlwind

(jkdjr25;24922)
(thesuperjag;24912)
Meh, I'm not even close to being interested in bashing people. But rather I am only interested in telling Truth. If they don't believe it, then don't argue, cause you are only letting evil consume your time...if you do.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, our Lord and Saviour.
Reasoning together is not letting evil consume anyone. Jesus, Himself said "come now and let us reason together". You're coming from a flawed perspective of what Pre-Trib believers actually believe and that colors your opinion of them.Being that I am one I can tell you that we don't "put our armor on the wall" as you keep claiming; but rather we are told to live each day as if Christ would return at any moment. That hardly engenders a luke warm faith. The though that He may appear at any moment is the motivation to live as He would have us live, because we don't want to be caught unprepared. Belief in the Pre-Trib rapture of the Church doesn't keep us from sharing the faith, in fact its quite the opposite. We are encouraged to share our faith as much as we can because we are never assured of having tomorrow.Our beliefs encourage us to be ready more than any other. I don't understand how that is hard to see.And who said reasoning together (Isaiah 1:18) is evil? No one did. But believing in false doctrine, and then argue with a doctrine, who studies the bible and doesn't let even a pastor tells them what to believe...is not a good idea. Quite frankly...I rather study myself and research.Are you ready to "fly away"? I'm not, cause I'm desiring to see Lucy first, before my Husband come.Jag

(whirlwind;24927)
The chosen of God are all twelve tribes, one of which is the tribe of Judah. That one tribe is rightly called "Jews." Add to them the tribe of Benjamin that remained with them when they were taken captive. The other ten are called, by God, the house of Israel. They are the ten lost tribes that God scattered. Those 12 tribes are referred to separately as the house of Judah (Jews) and the house of Israel (the 10 lost tribes). Some, including me, believe that those "lost tribes" migrated through Europe to England and eventually to America. God didn't break His promise but there is more involved than the "nation" of Israel that began in 1948. Those of the "house" of Israel are heirs to His promise too and they are the Christian nations of today.........Whirlwind
I believe you to be mistaken. The 12 tribes are always in reference to the 12 tribes of Israel, ALL of whom are Jewish. Keep in mind that Ishmael had 12 sons and these are the progentitors of the Arab nations. You are telling me that God is a covenant breaker/ That is the logical extension of what you believe. At least based on what I know to be literal Biblical interpretation.

(thesuperjag;24930)
And who said reasoning together (Isaiah 1:18) is evil? No one did. But believing in false doctrine, and then argue with a doctrine, who studies the bible and doesn't let even a pastor tells them what to believe...is not a good idea. Quite frankly...I rather study myself and research.Are you ready to "fly away"? I'm not, cause I'm desiring to see Lucy first, before my Husband come.Jag
I get the feeling that you feel that way. Any time I try to inject reason and logic into the discussion you deny it to be what it is. I tell you, quite plainly, where you are mistaken in what Pre-Trib Christians believe and you tell me I'm wrong. I cannot follow you or your interpretation. That would be following man. I follow what I KNOW to be true through prayer and deductive reasoning. There is not one thing that has been said that can counter that.

(jkdjr25;24932)
I believe you to be mistaken. The 12 tribes are always in reference to the 12 tribes of Israel, ALL of whom are Jewish. Keep in mind that Ishmael had 12 sons and these are the progentitors of the Arab nations. You are telling me that God is a covenant breaker/ That is the logical extension of what you believe. At least based on what I know to be literal Biblical interpretation.
jkdjr....When you are studying, look at the places where the two are separate. The 12 tribes split after the son of Solomon became king, into the northern 10 tribes which is the house of Israel and the other two, Judah and Benjamin which is the house of Judah...or Jews. For instance; Hosea 5:12. Therefore will I be unto Ephraim as a moth, and to the house of Judah as rottenness.Ezekiel 36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way......The two are separate now and will not be brought together until the millennium. [Ez.37:16-17, 22].....Whirlwind

(rant;24954)
There are many serios consequences to the growing delusion that the church is Israel. Christ said that those who call themselves jews and are not are in fact the synagogue of satan rev 2;9 ,3;9 some of those who teach this lie are brilliant, greg bahnsen.Those who teach that the church is Israel go on to claim that the church is heir to all of the promises given to Israel. This is ludicrous as claiming that the land of Israel is now the land of the church. clearly the church has no relationship to the land god gave Israel .Rev2;9,I know thy works, and tribulation and poverty and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are jews, and are not,but are the synagogue of Satan . Not my words but GODS.Gods covenant is with Israel and to the jews, not United States or any other country.
Rant, when Christ said:Revelation 2:9 .....I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.He was not saying what you believe. He is telling them that they are not Jews....they are of their father the devil! Don't think of Israel as land but as people. The house of Israel are God's children and He scattered them. All of His children are part of the covenant with Him....all 12 tribes. :angel9:..........Whirlwind

Jacob's Pillar --------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Stone Of Scone (Jacob's Pillar)This study covers The Stone of Scone, by other names: The Coronation Stone, or Jacobs Pillar. This Stone was Jacob's Pillow the night he saw the Angels of God ascending and descending up and down 'Jacob's Ladder' in approximately 1759 B.C. [Gen 28:10-22]. This Stone was carried by the ten lost tribes of Israel as they migrated north over the Caucasus Mountains and into Europe settling it and eventually establishing the Americas. The Stone has been recently moved back to Scotland after 800 years. In A.D. 1296 the Stone was placed in Westminster Abbey, England, and has remained under the Coronation Chair till recently. Since then, every King of England has been Crowned while sitting over the Stone. Three times the kingdom would overturn, and then no more [Ezek 21:27], and since the Coronations happen over the Stone, then the Stone is the thing to follow. There is end time Biblical prophecy attached to the 'turning over of the Kingdom' and many believe this Stone (Jacob's pillar) figures into the prophecy. In the prophetical book of Ezekiel we read:Why dont you try studying some history Do you know how or why Jacobs pillow is under the thrones of England and Scotland? Do you know where Joseph of Armethia(the uncle of Jesus ) set up his church ?

(rant;25015)
Whirlwind Lost tribes migrated through europe to England and eventually to America. Is that not Mans words you like to throw all over and forum Show me where it said this . Man this is good pray tell ,I want to read more this is good.
There is so much to learn Rant, so many wonderful things to learn but you must be willing. :bible:........Whirlwind

This Stone was carried by the ten lost tribes of Israel as they migrated north over the Caucasus Mountains and into Europe settling it and eventually establishing the Americas.
I thought it was Jeremiah and his company that brought it, unless you are including his company as part of the lost tribes. Well, it doesn't really matter to me. The point is the stone made it there. Might have been a little heavy for an old guy like Jeremiah to carry to Ireland anyway.