Kenites Killing Yeshua HaMashiach?

The subject of who's responsible for the crucifixion is a contentious one. On the one hand you had the Roman authority who saw Jesus, who had clearly commited no crime but was a danger to their power and on the other you had the Pharisees and Saducees of the Sanhedrin who also saw Jesus as a threat to their personal power. Certainly the leaders of both were responsible for the event. If you read the Bible it says that Jesus' followers were all Jewish during the time of His ministry, though I have heard it taught that Luke was a gentile doctor. I"m not sure on that one so I'll leave it be.Having said all that though, we also know that Christ died and was risen again for the sins of the world. He did this that we might all come to know God. So in that sense we are the reason as well.

(Unorthodox Christian;24902)
I know Jag and Kriss adhere to the belief that the kenites(saducees and pharisees) were the ones who crucified HaMashiach. But if you look at the Two parties involved, Romans and Jews, look how the bible classifies the people. Jew or Gentile, and from this I can conclude that we all Crucified Christ and not the Kenites. I used to watch Pastor Arnold Murray, and God forbid I call a man crazy yet he does the Works of the Holy Spirit. But I'm sorry, I don't think it was exclusively upon the Kenites. How many of us today can say we are not of the Serpent seed? How many of us Can Truly say we are of Seth's Seed? Not trying to argue, but as a Christian, it should be formal that I'm naturally inquisitive and not submissive to the beliefs of men, rather the Will of God. Amen? Amen
And who said it was just the Kenites that crucified Yahshua. It can also be more than just the Kenites, because some to most of them are Kenites. Kenites are the ones who causes the mass confusions.Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Jag

(Unorthodox Christian;24907)
Ok, I just needed more clarification.
If you look at it this way in today's world. These Kenites (at least their doctrine) has creeped into today's churches. And some to most people (non-Kenites) aren't realizing that they believe in their doctrine...teamed up with the Kenites without studying the bible themselves.The same can be said when the crucifixion takes place, because people believed in that confusion. However since God can't lie. At Genesis 3, It was the offspring of Satan that did the crucifixion. I just wanted to give out a simple, yet true answer.Jag

That only holds if, and only if, these so-called Kenites exist within the context you've talked about previously. If, as I do, you hold that they do not, then it still holds that we are all the reason that Christ was crucified. The crucifixion was th fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies and the Law of God.

(jkdjr25;24915)
That only holds if, and only if, these so-called Kenites exist within the context you've talked about previously. If, as I do, you hold that they do not, then it still holds that we are all the reason that Christ was crucified. The crucifixion was th fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies and the Law of God.
Just making sure you do the Kenites means sons of Cain. Jag

I thought this was worthwhile info.Amazing what you findjust happened upon this defnition on the catholic.org site. they seem to recognize much of the facts about the kenites (ie, come from kain/Qayin and were smiths and were assimilated into the "jews"). this is what always amazes me, finding stuff that's been under your nose the whole time but was never taught in school. ie, the point is, knowledge of the truth is out there, but not meant for "public" consumption. Pastorial rules again not to teach above a 4th grade level or teach "controversial" topics.here's the link and texthttp://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6608Cinites(A.V. Kenites).A tribe or family often mentioned in the Old Testament, personified as Qayin from which the nomen gentilicium Qeni is derived. In spite of several attempts at a solution, the origin both of the name and of the tribe is still obscure. Hobab the relative (brother-in-law?) of Moses was a Cinite (Judges, i, 16, iv, 11; as Hobab is also called a Madianite ( Numbers 10:29 ), it follows that the Cinites belonged to that nation. Judging from appearances, the Cinites were true worshippers of Yahweh. Some scholars, on the strength of Ex., xviii, go even so far as to assert that it was from them that the Israelites received a great portion of their monotheistic theology ; the passage, however, deals directly and only with social organization. At any rate, the Rechabites, a clan of the Cinites [I Par. (A. V. I Chron.) ii, 55] were even ascetics and insisted on retaining the nomadic habits of the followers of Yahweh ( Jeremiah 35 ), Though calamities were foretold for the Cinites by Balaam ( Numbers 24:21 sqq. ), they are always represented as being on friendly terms with the Israelites. Owing probably to their alliance with Moses and also to the bonds of a common religion, they befriended the Israelites during their wanderings in the desert [Num., x, 29-32, 1 K. ( A.V. I Sam.) xv, 6] and joined them in their march on Chanaan (Judges, 1, 16). There is no intimation that there ever was any enmity between the two nations (cf. 1 Samuel 27:10 , 30:29 ). The Cinites dwelt south of Palestine with the Amalecites, as is evident from Numbers 24:21 sqq. , 1 Samuel 15:6 , and probably from Judges, i, 16 if, instead of the Massoretic version, we use an alternate Hebrew reading -- a reading which is supported by several Greek manuscripts and by the Sahidic Coptic Version (cf. Ciasca, Fragm. Copto-Sahidica). One clan of the Cinites left the tribe and settled in the north under Haber, at the time of Barac and Debbera ( Judges 4:11 ); Jahel, who slew Sisara, was the wife of Haber the Cinite (ibid., iv, 17 sqq., v, 24 sqq.). From the facts that we find the Cinites south and north, and that in Aramaic the root from which Qayin is derived implies the idea of a smith, Sayce (in Hastings, Dict. Bib., s.v. Kenites) draws the conclusion that the Cinites were a wandering guild of smiths. This view has against it the obvious meaning of the texts (see especially Genesis 15:19 ). Apparently the Cinites shared in the Babylonian Exile and in the Restoration, but they do not appear any more as a distinct tribe and very likely were assimilated with the Jews................................Notice these people are called Smiths because no one(except God) knows who they are or where they came fromthey are:Those that say they are Jews but are Not Just as Rev. 2 an 3 Says(church of Smyrna and Philidelphia)( These are the only two churchs God was pleased with and they both taught this doctrine) I(God) know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.They pretended to be Jews they worked silently behind the scenes to gain places of honor to bring about Satans plan againt Christ.*If you read the list of Hebrews that who came out of Eygpt you will find at the end of the list people you were not hebrews they had no Genology to show who they were. No one knew who these claiming to be Jews (hebrews)were.

Now in my history study of the Sadducees and Pharisee'sLook at what happen during the reign of Herod (type of Antichrist)When Herod was appointed king by the Romans, he no longer nominated the chief priests from the ancient lineage, but conferred the honour upon certain obscure individuals. . . . Herod was the first that locked up the sacred vesture of the high priest, and having secured it under his own private seal, no longer permitted the high priests to have it at their disposal. (p. 31, ch. VI, pop. ed.) This broke the custom of the high priesthood being attached to a particular family. Herod also abolished the practice of the high priest holding the position for life. According to Josephus, in the 107 years from the beginning of Herod's reign to the fall of Jerusalem, there were 28 high priests. The Talmud records that by the time of Messiah, the high priest bought the office from the government and the position was changed every year. But even after he was out of office, the ex-high priest kept his rights to the dignity of the office. These policies resulted in a group of wealthy Sadducean priestly families (primarily the Boethus, Anan, and Phiabi families) being appointed to the office on a regular basis. .....................This is a very import point in Bible history this is where the priesthood became totally defiled this is where the Kennites or Jews you say they are Jews but are not (REV 1-3) see the churches of Philedelphia and Smyrna the only two churches God was pleased with) began to fully take over the Jewish Priesthood. It was these priest who wanted Christ crucifiedand convinced the Jews and the Romans to do so. With lies and flattery's the same way Satan always works.................................................Herod's decision to appoint the high priest had a major impact on the operation of the Temple. British historian Paul Johnson writes: By downgrading the importance of the high-priest, a hated Sadducee, Herod automatically raised in importance his deputy, the segan, a Pharisee, who got control over all the regular Temple functions and ensured that even the Sadducee high-priests performed the liturgy in a Pharisaical manner. (pp. 117-118, A History Of The Jews)

Now putting all this together What do we Know the word kennite means descendant of CainWhat happened to Cain Gen 413 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me." 15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so [e] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, [f] east of Eden. 17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. Cain was a wander and went to the land of Nod (nod means Wander)Now the document from the church above says the kennites were Smiths , a tribe of Wanders that inserted themselves among the Hebrews (jews) These Same wanders were there in Exodus, Still living among the JewsThey worked their way into being scribes, and then into the priesthood under the reignof Herod. They were members of Sadducees and pharisees and Were among the leaders calling for Christs death

(kriss;25107)
I thought this was worthwhile info.Amazing what you find
It really is amazing! Great find Kriss. ........Whirlwind

Hi Unorthodox Christian!
Kenites Killing Yeshua HaMashiach?
Maybe we need to look at this in a different way? I don't believe the Kenites killed Him at all and here is why.John 10: 11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep....17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.I mean, if you think about the other times He had escaped death.John 10: 31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him....39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, John 8: 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.Luke 22: 52Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves? 53When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness. 54Then took they him, and led him, and brought him into the high priest's house. And Peter followed afar off.I believe there was another incident when a crowd sought to lay hands on Him and throw Him off of a cliff as He escaped them by walking right through them all, but I cannot find the reference.

You are missing the Wisdom and great irony of the Lord he allowed his enenys the kennites to do this at the appointed time dont you see that it was by their own hand that Christ overcame it was their deeds that brought about Christs victory

1 Corinthians 2: 1And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. I doubt the kennites had a corner of being the princes of this world. Seems like if Paul and other believers knew of the kennites IF that be one of the mysteries hidden, why didn't they say the kennites or the seed of Satan or the descendants of Cain plainly there? Because they were talking about how God reveals Himself to man... which is not done by the preacher's ability to reach them.1 Corinthians 3: 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Matthew 10: 17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.