Shalom, ATP.
ATP said:
Incorrect, scripture clearly states a 3.5 year great tribulation. This great tribulation will be considered "God's wrath" of trumpets and bowls.
THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Jer 30:7 NIV How awful that day will be! No other will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it.
Dan 12:1 NIV “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
Matt 24:21-22 NIV For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mark 13:19 NIV because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.
Luke 21:23 NIV How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.
Rev 3:10 NIV Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth
Rev 7:14 NIV I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
3.5 YEARS/1,260 DAYS/42 MONTHS/TIME, TIMES AND HALF A TIME
Dan 7:25 NIV He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
Dan 12:7 NIV The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed."
Rev 11:2-3 NIV But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."
Rev 12:6 NIV The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
Rev 12:14 NIV The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.
Rev 13:5 NIV The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months.
Brother, Isa 9:10, Deut 19:15 and 2 Cor 13:1 are in the Word of God. The authentication is in the DVD'S, where you will literally see the physical manifestation of Isa 9:10 come alive! It doesn't get more real than that.
That ain't the half of it. Jonathan Cahn comes through with flying colors. He is a man of God and speaks only truth about the Word of God. I also recommend you check the Shemittah if you really wanna have your mind blown. I do recommend the following items. The God we worship is the God of rapture and also the God of Israel. It's important to learn about the Jewish side of Jesus, being that these blood moons are landing on Jewish Holidays. Also, it’s important to note that the blood moon on 9/28/15 will actually be called a super blood moon and will also be seen in the skies of Jerusalem.
Book - Blood Moons: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs starring Mark Biltz
Book - Four Blood Moons: Something Is About to Change by John Hagee
DVD - Blood Moons: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs starring Mark Biltz
Book - The Harbinger: by Jonathan Cahn
Book - The Harbinger Companion With Study Guide: by Jonathan Cahn
DVD - The Harbinger Decoded starring Jonathan Cahn
DVD - The Isa 9:10 Judgment: starring Jonathan Cahn
Book - The Mystery of the Shemitah: by Jonathan Cahn
DVD - The Mystery of the Shemitah Unlocked: starring Jonathan Cahn
Book - Blood Moon God's Warning: Jewish Feasts and the Blood Moons of 2014 and 2015 by J. Nell Brown
Book - The Feasts of the Lord: God's Prophetic Calendar from Calvary to the Kingdom by Kevin Howard
DVD - Feasts of the Lord with Study Guide starring Mark Biltz
- ATP
“Incorrect?” Really? You sound like a old Star Trek computer! Must I prove it to you?
NT:2346 thliboo (thlee'-bo); akin to the base of NT:5147; to crowd (literally or figuratively):
KJV - afflict, narrow, throng, suffer tribulation, trouble.
NT:2347 thlipsis (thlip'-sis); from NT:2346; pressure (literally or figuratively):
KJV - afflicted (-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
NT:2346 10x:
Matthew 7:14
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
KJV
Mark 3:9
9 And he spake to his disciples, that a small ship should wait on him because of the multitude, lest they should throng him.
KJV
2 Corinthians 1:6
6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
KJV
2 Corinthians 4:8
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
KJV
2 Corinthians 7:5
5 For, when we were come into Macedonia, our flesh had no rest, but we were troubled on every side; without were fightings, within were fears.
KJV
1 Thessalonians 3:4
4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
KJV
2 Thessalonians 1:6
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
KJV
2 Thessalonians 1:7
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
KJV
1 Timothy 5:10
10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
KJV
Hebrews 11:37
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
KJV
NT:2347 45x:
Matthew 13:21
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
KJV
Matthew 24:9
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
KJV
Matthew 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV
Matthew 24:29
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
KJV
Mark 4:17
17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
KJV
Mark 13:19
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
KJV
Mark 13:24
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
KJV
John 16:21
21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
KJV
John 16:33
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
KJV
Acts 7:10
10 And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house.
KJV
Acts 7:11
11 Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance.
KJV
Acts 11:19
19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
KJV
Acts 14:22
22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
KJV
Acts 20:23
23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.
KJV
Romans 2:9
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
KJV
Romans 5:3
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
KJV
Romans 5:3
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
KJV
Romans 8:35
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
KJV
Romans 12:12
12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
KJV
1 Corinthians 7:28
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
KJV
2 Corinthians 1:4
4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
KJV
2 Corinthians 1:4
4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
KJV
2 Corinthians 1:8
8 For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
KJV
2 Corinthians 2:4
4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.
KJV
2 Corinthians 4:17
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
KJV
2 Corinthians 6:4
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
KJV
2 Corinthians 7:4
4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
KJV
2 Corinthians 8:2
2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
KJV
2 Corinthians 8:13
13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:
KJV
Ephesians 3:13
13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
KJV
Philippians 1:16
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
KJV
Philippians 4:14
14 Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction.
KJV
Colossians 1:24
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
KJV
1 Thessalonians 1:6
6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:
KJV
1 Thessalonians 3:3
3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.
KJV
1 Thessalonians 3:7
7 Therefore, brethren, we were comforted over you in all our affliction and distress by your faith:
KJV
2 Thessalonians 1:4
4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
KJV
2 Thessalonians 1:6
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
KJV
Hebrews 10:33
33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
KJV
James 1:27
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
KJV
Revelation 1:9
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV
Revelation 2:9
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
KJV
Revelation 2:10
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
KJV
Revelation 2:22
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
KJV
Revelation 7:14
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
KJV
These are all the verses that use the words “
thliboo” (the verb) and “
thlipsis” (the noun). So, tell me:
WHERE does it say that any of these “tribulations” or “persecutions” or “afflictions” or “troubles” or “anguish” is going to last 3.5 years or even 7 years?! Some people to whom Paul wrote were
ALREADY IN their afflictions!
IT’S NOT THERE! PERIOD!
Look, I’ve been justified by God (“saved”) since I was six, and I’m now 57 years old. I’ve had my ups and downs through the years, but I can honestly say that I’m closer to
YHWH today than I’ve ever been before. I’ve been to Bible college in my 20's where I first learned some Koine Greek, been to other colleges, and I’ve taken courses on biblical Hebrew, and I study both the Hebrew and the Greek in my spare time
because I LOVE the languages and I believe them to be important to the understanding of what we are reading! Being a Messianic Jew, I feel that the Hebrew is
DOUBLY important!
QUIT THINKING OF “THE GREAT TRIBULATION” AS A LABEL FOR A PARTICULAR TIME PERIOD! The words
MEAN a “
TERRIBLE PRESSURE!” It’s similar to the way we say, “He was in a horribly tight squeeze!” Are you going to tell me that there is a 3.5-year “horribly tight squeeze?” No matter how the word was translated into English above, it is the
SAME GREEK WORD, thlipsis, in all 45 cases! It’s the
LABELING that gives the prophetic viewpoint its luster! Just read the passage as though you’ve never heard of a “Great Tribulation” before!
And, beware of following the NIV or any English version too closely. Sometimes, the translators of
ANY version, particularly the more modern versions, will stray from the Greek wording of the text to say what they
THINK the author meant! In using their own words to “explain” a passage of Scripture, they can
EASILY veer away from the truth, even with the best of intentions! If one truly wants to dig deeper in God’s Word, he or she
MUST go back to the original languages!
Also, there are reasons why the text says “time, times, and half a time,” “1,260 days,” and "42 months!” These are
NOT three ways of saying the same thing! They are
DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS! They’re not even the same length of time! Furthermore, you need to understand that there’s
NO SUCH THING as a “Jewish year” or a "prophetic year" or a “biblical year” of 360 days! That’s just
WRONG!!!
I don’t know whether you’ve heard this or not, but the Jewish year consists of usually alternating 29-day and 30-day months, with every other month being 30 days long. Sometimes, that changes slightly to align the lunar cycle with the daylight cycle. That’s because their month is a true lunar cycle of 29.5 days, beginning and ending with the New Moon,
Ro’sh Chodesh. Thus, 12 months on a Jewish calendar is shorter than 360 days by 6 days (354 days). And, their
SOLAR link is by the solstices and equinoxes, the same as in any other calendar system. When the lunar cycle advances too far away from the solar cycle, they add a
LEAP MONTH to their calendar, a second Adar! This happens about every third year. Those leap months count in the "42 months!”
It’s
NOT just three and a half 12-month years of 30-day months! That’s thinking like modern banks think to make simple interest accounts work uniformly! They just throw the extra days of the year into the bank's holidays! You can’t do that with a real calendar! Those “extra days” in the solar cycle have to go
SOMEWHERE! Otherwise, the discrepancy of the lunar cycle vs. the solar cycle will soon have you celebrating Christmas in July! To continually use a 360-day year, you will be losing 5.2422 days
EVERY YEAR!
IT DOESN’T WORK!
I’ve watched the video and to be honest, I don’t think it works. First, I know the speaker, Rabbi Cahn. I just didn’t make the connection until I saw his face. However, I’ve never been one much for personalities. “Let God be true and
every man a liar.” I don’t even put a whole lot of stock into commentaries and preachers. I was the SON of a preacher, and he had his faults the same as any man does.
I also understand the “mystery of the ShmiyTah” now, too. I just didn’t recognize it, either, by the way it was spelled. See, so far, there’s no uniform way of transliterating the Hebrew into English. (I’m hoping to help change that.) Both the
tav and the
Tet consonant letters of the Hebrew
alefbet are written as “t” in English transliteration. So, when going from English transliteration back to the Hebrew, it can be quite difficult, especially since these are not the only letters that are ambiguous. We even have two letters that have no English equivalent and no English differentiation! The
alef and the `
ayin are two
CONSONANTS that are difficult to make English-speaking people understand. Usually, Hebrew teachers give up and say that they are “silent letters.” (They’re not.) We have no English letters that we can use for them, so we use the apostrophe ( ‘ ) for the
alef and the back apostrophe ( ` ) for the `
ayin. But, I digress. Suffice it to say that I now understand that this “mystery” or “secret” is about the seventh-year of rest in the 7-year cycle.
HOWEVER, that 7-year cycle is not enough for what Rabbi Cahn is suggesting, because
HE is talking about the year of YowVeel or “Jubilee” which only occurs at the end of the 49th year - the
SEVENTH seventh year!
THAT’S when debts are forgiven and land goes back to the original owners, and slaves are set free,
NOT EVERY 7th year!
