The law or Grace

pom2014 · Jun 9, 2015

mjrhealth said:
Jesus Command is to Love, thats why He gave us grace.Grace says you are not perfect I have allowed for that. I know of no one who has ever managed to keep just one of the ten commandments except Jesus. When you stand before God and say" look i kept the ten commandments" it may be that He says, " show me How you kept them and I will show you how you broke them all." and all our Lords good work will be brought to nought.

In all His Love

The King gave us the Two Great Commandments did he not?

And did he not say that on those two hang ALL the Law and The Prophets?

Do the two and you fulfill ALL the law and keep with the prophets.

This is the cornerstone of being a follower of The King. If you do not do the two, you're NOT with him. You are basically telling him, sod off I'll do as I please.

heretoeternity · Jun 9, 2015

Seems to be confusion about what law Paul is talking about in most of his letters...in most he is referring to the law of Moses, the 613 sacrificial, feast, food, cleanliness etc laws..and NOT God's law the Ten commandments, which God himself wrote, and will be in effect until the end of the age, and Jesus return, and His people are taken into the new Heaven and Earth...Revelation explains it all..Jesus says in Revelation 22 "behold I come quickly and my reward is with me for every man according to his works"...
Apostle John in 1st John says "Sin is transgression of the law", obviously referring to God's law the ten commandments...and he goes on to say "those who say they know him and keep not His commandments are liars, and the truth is not in them"..and James 2 says "faith without works is dead"...
Jesus said in John 14.15 "if you love me keep my commandments"..which, again, are the ten commandments, which He summarized in Love God with all your heart, soul and mind, and love your neighbour as yourself" and that is how we show love of God and neighbour, by keeping God's commandments, as Apostle John further detailed in 1st John...

And remember, salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

mjrhealth · Jun 10, 2015

Deu 4:12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deu 4:14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

This was all for the Israelites. it never was given to the gentiles, not in the beginning and not when God gave them to the Israelites and not when we came to Christ under Grace. They where never ours never passed down to us and God is under no obligation to be pleased with any gentile who chooses to live under something that is not theirs, He made no covenant with us, untill the new one was established with Grace, which is ours and also theirs. But the Jews like most Christians choose the old covenant and forsake the new, neglecting the works of Jesus and trampling His works underfoot as if they themselves can out do Jesus.

In all His Love

If you need the law to do good than you are not walking in love, because Love does not need the law to do what is right. The gentiles lived all through to Christs death without them, many of them doing good because of love, a lot of people today do good without religion or the Law, if the law is such a concern to you than you have no part in Grace.

pom2014 · Jun 10, 2015

The law IS love.

Love IS the law.

As followers we must obey the law or be counted as rebels.

Our sovereign died for us, the least we can do is follow his commands.

mjrhealth · Jun 10, 2015

Amen

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.

Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

That is all we are asked to do.

pom2014 · Jun 10, 2015

mjrhealth said:
Amen

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.

Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

That is all we are asked to do.

And on those two hang ALL THE LAW.

Do those two and you keep the law.

Obey the law, follow the Two Great Commandments.

The Law never passed away. Just how we practise it has changed.

Axehead · Jun 11, 2015

pom2014 said:
And on those two hang ALL THE LAW.

Do those two and you keep the law.

Obey the law, follow the Two Great Commandments.

The Law never passed away. Just how we practise it has changed.

No the law did not pass away, we did. We fitted with Christ and therefore the law has no more jurisdiction over us.

Romans 7:4-6
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

We have been delivered from the law by the death off Christ. In the place of the law we have now been risen to new life in Christ to obey the law of Christ which is love the Lord they GOD with ALL thine heart and love your neighbor as thyself. The law of Christ is love.

Peter in Acts 15 had it right: "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" Act 15:10

mjrhealth · Jun 12, 2015

the law has no more jurisdiction over us.

It never had any Jurisdiction over us only the Jews.

heretoeternity · Jun 13, 2015

mjrhealth said:
I have being asking the Lord how to explain this one. This is what I got.

You are going for a drive.

The law says. There are speed signs, please obey them, if you go 0.0000001 mph over the limit you will be arrested,and charged. You will be given the death penalty. Have a nice day.

Grace says. You are going for a drive, take care. If you have any issues its all taken care of, be safe.

As it says, the law is for the sinner. There are plenty of people who dont need any law to do whats right. We all know whats right and wrong, Love chooses to do good,that is why we are asked to Love. So if you need the law to do whats right, than you are a sinner and grace is not yours, because you are not walking in Love.

In all His Love

Think you kind of messed up your example....
You going for a drive and doing ten miles per hour over the speed limit...police pull you over, and because they have compassion decide not to give you a ticket for whatever reason...but they tell you to obey the law from now on...so what you going to do? Thumb your nose at them and squeal your tires out of there? Or are you going to obey the law after that?

heretoeternity · Jun 13, 2015

mjrhealth said:
It never had any Jurisdiction over us only the Jews.

No the law did not pass away, we did. We fitted with Christ and therefore the law has no more jurisdiction over us.

Romans 7:4-6
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

We have been delivered from the law by the death off Christ. In the place of the law we have now been risen to new life in Christ to obey the law of Christ which is love the Lord they GOD with ALL thine heart and love your neighbor as thyself. The law of Christ is love.

Peter in Acts 15 had it right: "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" Act 15:10

Both your references are to the law of Moses, the sacrificial, feast,festival, food, circumcision etc laws...completely separate from the ten commandments...read the whole chapter and you should be able to see that!

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mjrhealth · Jun 13, 2015

Remember Jesus with the harlot, when he stood there while her accusers, the religious law keepers stood around condeming her to be stoned to death, Jesus had more right than all of them to stone her to death, what did He choose? grace. Remember Jesus is the temple on teh Sabbath, whom healed the hand of the man, while all teh "law " keepers stood around and condmend Him even wishing to stone Him to death, yet what DId Jesus nchoose grace, Those who live by law cnnot have grace for Grace and teh Law oppose eachother, Love and teh Law are at enemity with one another, they are not compatable, the law is all about you Grace is all about Jesus.

Those who love the LAw dont know Love. if they Knew Love they would not choose to sin against anyone.But those who choose teh law have alread condemend themselves.

In All His Love

Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hos 6:7 But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

Thas what God thought about it all.

heretoeternity · Jun 13, 2015

mjrhealth said:
Remember Jesus with the harlot, when he stood there while her accusers, the religious law keepers stood around condeming her to be stoned to death, Jesus had more right than all of them to stone her to death, what did He choose? grace. Remember Jesus is the temple on teh Sabbath, whom healed the hand of the man, while all teh "law " keepers stood around and condmend Him even wishing to stone Him to death, yet what DId Jesus nchoose grace, Those who live by law cnnot have grace for Grace and teh Law oppose eachother, Love and teh Law are at enemity with one another, they are not compatable, the law is all about you Grace is all about Jesus.

Those who love the LAw dont know Love. if they Knew Love they would not choose to sin against anyone.But those who choose teh law have alread condemend themselves.

In All His Love

Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hos 6:7 But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

Thas what God thought about it all.

You are obviously confused between God's law, the ten commandments which God himself wrote, and Jesus kept, the disciples kept, and the Apostles kept....as Jesus said in Matthew 5 Heaven and earth will pass away and not one thing will be changed in the law, until all is fulfilled" obviously referring to His return at the end of the age.....you are confused between this and the sacrificial system the law of Moses, which ended at the cross..these are the 613 sacrificial, circumcision, feast, festival, food, cleanliness etc laws.....you should study this to avoid your confusion.

Remember Salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

mjrhealth · Jun 13, 2015

Remember Salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

Yes salvation is through Christ not the law. The only Comand Christ gave us gentiles was to Love. But those who do not know ;love choose the law because they are sinners. Theer are plenty like me who keep everyday to God who is our father.

In all His Love

ezekiel · Jun 13, 2015

If you speak against the law then you speak against the one that sent the law even our Father in heaven. If you speak against Christ then you speak against the one that sent him also. It is the law that convicts us. No man comes to Christ less the Father has sent him and this is law he sent. Back in that day they did not hear Moses.

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

For God sent the Law to Moses but they did not hear it. Instead would kill each other instead of love wanted death.

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

So your in church the preachers say come to Christ or you will burn, dosen't the Law of the Father bring them to Christ. Is not this that starts your walk with God.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

But then you say I don't need the Law now I have Christ. Don't you understand.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Blessed be the work of his hand.

mjrhealth · Jun 13, 2015

dosen't the Law of the Father bring them to Christ

No.....

Love does, it has always being about Love, something men just simply do not understand.

williemac · Jun 13, 2015

To put things simply, the law is about getting things through what we do or don't do. Grace is about getting things freely, or as a free gift. In terms of justification for life, the covenant of law is about being justified by one's own human resources. The covenant of grace is about being justified freely through the acceptance of it as such. This is the role of faith. It is the means by which we recieve a free gift. In reading Rom.ch.5, we can see clearly that what we are getting as a free gift is made available because of the work and obedience of one man: Jesus. The term ONE MAN effectively excludes every human being on the planet.
No one should object to good behavior or the commitment to it. That would be foolish. But the most liberating truth we can discover is in the correct motivation for righteous living. That could be a long discussion. But one thing that is for sure; the incorrect motive for moral behavior is in the attempt to attain or maintain one's right standing before God in terms of eternal life.

Consider John 5:24: "MOST ASSUREDLY, I SAY TO YOU, HE WHO HEARS MY WORD AND BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE, AND SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT, BUT HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE". Those parts I have emphasised cannot be taken any other way. The key to our justification is in the fact that we through faith, have escaped the judgment of God, and have been granted everlasting life from the beginning, and have already overcome death.
Who here wants to argue with the words of our Lord? Not me. Does that sound too easy? Well do we or don't we go around proclaiming the love and goodness of God? Do we really understand that the word "gospel" means "good news"? So what should good news sound like to any of you? How about 1John 2:1...."...if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". The sentence begins with...Don't sin, but....

These are the real reasons death no longer has dominion over us. These are the real reasons sin has no power over us. Not because of our behavior, but because the situation that was impossible for man to solve, was taken care of on our behalf by the One Man who could do it.

And for those who consider this to be a free ticket, or a licence as it were, to sin. Wrong conclusion. If we have a license to do something, we essentially have legal permission. But if we had permission to sin, then God would have no right to chasten His children. But Jesus said otherwise in " All whom I love, I rebuke and chasten". He didn't say some. He said ALL. If He couldn't chasten us, He would have no choice but to judge us unto condemnation.
And FYI, walking in the Spirit is not done by what we do, but by what we believe. It is a mindset, not a series of actions or works. It's all in the context..." He who walks according to the Spirit has his mind set on the things of the Spirit" .
Here is one of those things, as found in 1Cor.2:12...
"NOW WE HAVE RECEIVED, NOT THE SPIRIT OF THE WORLD, BUT THE SPIRIT WHO IS FROM GOD, THAT WE MIGHT KNOW THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN FREELY GIVEN TO US BY GOD" (NKJ). And what things are these?

Rom. 8:32...."HE WHO DID NOT SPARE HIS OWN SON, BUT DELIVERED HIM UP FOR US ALL, HOW SHALL HE NOT WITH HIM ALSO FREELY GIVE US ALL THINGS?" Thus sayeth the Lord. All things given to us by God are freely offered and freely given. God is good. This is the revelation of the Spirit. This is the grace of God.

heretoeternity · Jun 13, 2015

Jesus said "you honour me with your lips but your hearts are far from me" Matthew 15, and in Isaiah 29...how do we give our hearts to Jesus/God ..Matthew 14.15 "if you love me keep my commandments"...and Paul said in Romans "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law" Apostle John in 1st John said "sin is transgression of the law"..and Paul said in Romans again "do we sin more so grace abounds? God forbid!"

Remember always,salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments, and not the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

toknowthetruth · Jun 14, 2015

williemac said:
To put things simply, the law is about getting things through what we do or don't do. Grace is about getting things freely, or as a free gift. In terms of justification for life, the covenant of law is about being justified by one's own human resources. The covenant of grace is about being justified freely through the acceptance of it as such. This is the role of faith. It is the means by which we recieve a free gift. In reading Rom.ch.5, we can see clearly that what we are getting as a free gift is made available because of the work and obedience of one man: Jesus. The term ONE MAN effectively excludes every human being on the planet.
No one should object to good behavior or the commitment to it. That would be foolish. But the most liberating truth we can discover is in the correct motivation for righteous living. That could be a long discussion. But one thing that is for sure; the incorrect motive for moral behavior is in the attempt to attain or maintain one's right standing before God in terms of eternal life.

Consider John 5:24: "MOST ASSUREDLY, I SAY TO YOU, HE WHO HEARS MY WORD AND BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE, AND SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT, BUT HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE". Those parts I have emphasised cannot be taken any other way. The key to our justification is in the fact that we through faith, have escaped the judgment of God, and have been granted everlasting life from the beginning, and have already overcome death.
Who here wants to argue with the words of our Lord? Not me. Does that sound too easy? Well do we or don't we go around proclaiming the love and goodness of God? Do we really understand that the word "gospel" means "good news"? So what should good news sound like to any of you? How about 1John 2:1...."...if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". The sentence begins with...Don't sin, but....

These are the real reasons death no longer has dominion over us. These are the real reasons sin has no power over us. Not because of our behavior, but because the situation that was impossible for man to solve, was taken care of on our behalf by the One Man who could do it.

And for those who consider this to be a free ticket, or a licence as it were, to sin. Wrong conclusion. If we have a license to do something, we essentially have legal permission. But if we had permission to sin, then God would have no right to chasten His children. But Jesus said otherwise in " All whom I love, I rebuke and chasten". He didn't say some. He said ALL. If He couldn't chasten us, He would have no choice but to judge us unto condemnation.
And FYI, walking in the Spirit is not done by what we do, but by what we believe. It is a mindset, not a series of actions or works. It's all in the context..." He who walks according to the Spirit has his mind set on the things of the Spirit" .
Here is one of those things, as found in 1Cor.2:12...
"NOW WE HAVE RECEIVED, NOT THE SPIRIT OF THE WORLD, BUT THE SPIRIT WHO IS FROM GOD, THAT WE MIGHT KNOW THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN FREELY GIVEN TO US BY GOD" (NKJ). And what things are these?

Rom. 8:32...."HE WHO DID NOT SPARE HIS OWN SON, BUT DELIVERED HIM UP FOR US ALL, HOW SHALL HE NOT WITH HIM ALSO FREELY GIVE US ALL THINGS?" Thus sayeth the Lord. All things given to us by God are freely offered and freely given. God is good. This is the revelation of the Spirit. This is the grace of God.

Well said. Don't know how you could put it any better.

williemac · Jun 14, 2015

heretoeternity said:
Jesus said "you honour me with your lips but your hearts are far from me" Matthew 15, and in Isaiah 29...how do we give our hearts to Jesus/God ..Matthew 14.15 "if you love me keep my commandments"...and Paul said in Romans "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law" Apostle John in 1st John said "sin is transgression of the law"..and Paul said in Romans again "do we sin more so grace abounds? God forbid!"

Remember always,salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments, and not the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

Salvation is by grace, through faith. You have added the requirement of commandments. The reason for this is most commonly due to a lack of understanding concerining the purpose and timing of the life of Jesus on earth. He made some comments, such as telling them the road is narrow to life. However, how is it that people wouldn't believe that He came to solve the problems that He was addressing?

As far as Math.14:15, He did not say " keep THE commandments". He said MY commandments. And 1John 3:23, we are told what they are. There are two. Faith in Him and love for one another. It is a major assumption that He would have been speaking of the commandments of law. Furthermore, He did not say in that passage that this was the requirement for everlasting life, anyway. He simply explained how we show love for Jesus.

As for Paul confirming that we establish the law. Why would you assume he was speaking of the requirement for everlasting life in that? He told the Galatian church what the purpose of the law actually is/was. It was given as a temporary measure until the Seed should come. And it was given to reveal sin. This revelation is what is needed to convince a person he needs a Savior. Thus the law is the tutor, or teacher that leads us to Christ.

Don't forget all the other stuff Paul said about the law.He called it the ministry of both death and condemnation in 2Cor.3:7-9. Then he called it the covenant that gives birth to bondage in Gal.4:24. Unless you can think of another reason he mentions Mnt. Sinai in that verse. The reason he said such damaging things about the law is precisely why he said it was given. To reveal sin. To declare guilt. This is what the establishing of the law means. It is not established as part of the way to salvation. That is not it's purpose. It was established for the given purpose, not the one you are claiming. To confirm this, there is always Phil.3:9.."....not having my own righteousness, which is through the law"...or Gal.3:21..." ...If there had been A LAW given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by THE LAW" .

As well, in Rom.10:9,10, as Paul tells of how salvation comes, he makes mention of confession and faith. NO MENTION OF LAW KEEPING. Previous to that in Rom.5, Paul tells of the free gift of both life and righteousness and tells how they were made available to us: Through the obedience and righteousness of ONE MAN: Jesus. I don't lnow how much more obvious these things can get, but alas, there is also the own words of Jesus in John 3:16 and John6:50,51, and John5:24....etc.

When He informed people that to have life they must keep the law, He was in the context of the covenant of law. The covenant of grace was not revealed and did not commence until after His death. What He said about it and about the narrow gate, was true at the time He said it. He used the law to take away their confidence, not to instruct them about the new covenant way to life. As for the narrow road and gate....remember the promise made to Abraham, that his descendants would be innumerable. And remember the revelation of John as he saw a crowd around the throne of God that were the fulfillment of this promise..... virtually innumerable. How does that compute to "a few"? Answer: It doesn't. And neither does "a few" even remotely resemble God's promise. Get over it. We have life because He is good...not us.

Axehead · Jun 14, 2015

williemac said:
Salvation is by grace, through faith. You have added the requirement of commandments. The reason for this is most commonly due to a lack of understanding concerining the purpose and timing of the life of Jesus on earth. He made some comments, such as telling them the road is narrow to life. However, how is it that people wouldn't believe that He came to solve the problems that He was addressing?

As far as Math.14:15, He did not say " keep THE commandments". He said MY commandments. And 1John 3:23, we are told what they are. There are two. Faith in Him and love for one another. It is a major assumption that He would have been speaking of the commandments of law. Furthermore, He did not say in that passage that this was the requirement for everlasting life, anyway. He simply explained how we show love for Jesus.

As for Paul confirming that we establish the law. Why would you assume he was speaking of the requirement for everlasting life in that? He told the Galatian church what the purpose of the law actually is/was. It was given as a temporary measure until the Seed should come. And it was given to reveal sin. This revelation is what is needed to convince a person he needs a Savior. Thus the law is the tutor, or teacher that leads us to Christ.

Don't forget all the other stuff Paul said about the law.He called it the ministry of both death and condemnation in 2Cor.3:7-9. Then he called it the covenant that gives birth to bondage in Gal.4:24. Unless you can think of another reason he mentions Mnt. Sinai in that verse. The reason he said such damaging things about the law is precisely why he said it was given. To reveal sin. To declare guilt. This is what the establishing of the law means. It is not established as part of the way to salvation. That is not it's purpose. It was established for the given purpose, not the one you are claiming. To confirm this, there is always Phil.3:9.."....not having my own righteousness, which is through the law"...or Gal.3:21..." ...If there had been A LAW given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by THE LAW" .

As well, in Rom.10:9,10, as Paul tells of how salvation comes, he makes mention of confession and faith. NO MENTION OF LAW KEEPING. Previous to that in Rom.5, Paul tells of the free gift of both life and righteousness and tells how they were made available to us: Through the obedience and righteousness of ONE MAN: Jesus. I don't lnow how much more obvious these things can get, but alas, there is also the own words of Jesus in John 3:16 and John6:50,51, and John5:24....etc.

When He informed people that to have life they must keep the law, He was in the context of the covenant of law. The covenant of grace was not revealed and did not commence until after His death. What He said about it and about the narrow gate, was true at the time He said it. He used the law to take away their confidence, not to instruct them about the new covenant way to life. As for the narrow road and gate....remember the promise made to Abraham, that his descendants would be innumerable. And remember the revelation of John as he saw a crowd around the throne of God that were the fulfillment of this promise..... virtually innumerable. How does that compute to "a few"? Answer: It doesn't. And neither does "a few" even remotely resemble God's promise. Get over it. We have life because He is good...not us.

Good post, Willie. When a false doctrine captures one's heart, they become blinded to the truth and revelation of God. It's hard to break through because the false doctrine has become an idol and replaced the Lord in one's heart

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