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Moreover think your speaking about the Ten Commandments. As Christ says love them around you. With this You would not lie, cheat, commit adultery, kill for things like these hurt people and destroy lives. We should be happy and strive to do them for I know you would agree. The Sabbath some rather do it on saturday some on sunday, monday, tuesday, wednesday etc. when is the Sabbath, Today is the acceptable day to enter into the sabbath. When one comes to Christ they have entered into the Sabbath and live in the Sabbath.

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

The Sabbath, when God stops creating all things as in the Genesis, You may not understand you are prepareing souls for this and its comming fast.

8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.



Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Church on Saturday ok, Church on Sunday ok , having both days would be better, like these forum 24/7 ok

They come to the Lord and we spead the word we give praise every day with thanksgiving he is worthy.
 

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Remember the Sabbath that you are in try to keep it holy as your Father in Heaven and the work that you do is no longer to men but to your Father as you try to please Him in your daily life, a new work not like the old tree but a good tree born of the spirit and not of the flesh to bring forth good fruit for it is your Father that has brought you out of bondage and set you up for Glory. Dont put any thing between you and God remove them and set your eyes on him even thru Christ as he has taught us. amen
 

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ezekiel said:
Remember the Sabbath that you are in try to keep it holy as your Father in Heaven and the work that you do is no longer to men but to your Father as you try to please Him in your daily life, a new work not like the old tree but a good tree born of the spirit and not of the flesh to bring forth good fruit for it is your Father that has brought you out of bondage and set you up for Glory. Dont put any thing between you and God remove them and set your eyes on him even thru Christ as he has taught us. amen
Let me ask your definition of holy. what is holiness?
 

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Point blank it is walking with God. Talking to God. Waiting for God. For if Adam and Eve would have just said Father why has this serpent said this tree is good that you said was not they would have made holy decision and would have know satan seeks to kill and destroy. But satan who was allready cast out of heaven and givin charge over earth will take as many down with him as he can and was upset Adams seed are the choosen seed. My Friend the food Laws what you think of it was God saying dont eat it as food for the body or don't be like these animals or such. Those that walked with Christ has taught this. Now Christ has said eat and live, Christ was not telling us to do canniblaism but to follow his words. Know this that a man will reap what he sows in the next life if he dosn't take care of things be fore we pass on to life. Story time : long time ago while a rebel I took things I should not have. So God brings me back to him. As I pray every morning for people and such I began to hear a voice that kept getting in my way and stop my prayer I battled with it. Then I said God has forgave my of my sins then all at once voice say's what about my other servant you took from. So I can't live without talking with God so I round up the money plus more to repay the Lords servant. Then he says I also have forgave you tears from my eyes I have to do this or else I will die. He say's how much will it take to be back with God. So I say this much. We need forgive others and also ourself. God said his kingdom will be like King David's when we find our fault seek forgiveness. If you wish me to say you will burn if you eat pork I will not say this.
 

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I believe the topic is Grace or Law....
Well it should be grace and law..they both go together...we call upon God for forgiveness of sins, and by His grace and the blood of Jesus, and repentance from sin, we are forgiven...what is sin? Apostle John in 1st John says "sin is transgression of the law"..therefore if we do not follow God's law we are still sinning, have not repented, and therefore have not accepted God's forgiving grace...A person walks with God by following His commandments...as Jesus said in John 14.15 "if you love me keep my Commandments"..
 

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Moreover why have I told you this about me. Animal Sacrifice, Adam could not forgive himself just as you seen in my post I could not. God wishes that we not need them and act acordingly but when Adam in his brightness was removed and givin a beast body and darkness, earth that is its hard to deal with. Adams way was to set up a Sacrifice and God accepted it so they could forgive themselfs. But the Lord also became tired of it because they used it so the can sin. We should not use Christ in this manner. God did not ordain animal sacrifice but acepted it.
 

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Now we should remember the day of rest that is Christ rather the Sabbath that God has gave us and walk in fear and thanksgiving and believe it so in faith. For God resteth not.

Exodus 20: 8

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Hebrews 4

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
 

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ezekiel said:
Now we should remember the day of rest that is Christ rather the Sabbath that God has gave us and walk in fear and thanksgiving and believe it so in faith. For God resteth not.

Exodus 20: 8

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Hebrews 4

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Better read this too.

Rom 14:1-6
14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.
2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.
4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.
He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
NKJV
 

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Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Now what are you going to choose. the law or grace.

The law requires you blood -no other option- you live by the law you must keep all teh laws- there is no payment but your blood, that is what the law requires- you live by the law you condemn yourself, Us gentiles where never under the law, jesus did not die to give us the law, we came to Christ through Grace.

Christ requires us to Love, love does not go out to hurt other, in Love we fullfill teh law without being under the law. DO you not understand.

Which do youy choose, the Law and death ot Grace by Christ into salvation, you can not sit on the fence it is one or the other, you live by the law, you keep one of the laws you have chosen by your own works to try earn your salvation, and again the only payment is your blood, how many trimes does it need to be repeated. YOU CANNOT OUT DO CHRIST.

And the enemies favourite tune - "oh but you cant use that to wilingly sin". Its his number one hit song sung by so many christians.

Love does not go out to hurt anyone why do you think jesus said.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

You are in your flesh until Christ comes and changes you or you go to be with Him, untill then you will sin daily, hourly, by the minute by the second, by you deeds by your thoughts, you cannot escape it, the law will condemn you Christs Grace - says get up and go on it is done. Whcih are you going to live by.

in All His Love
I enjoyed your O.P. because they are based on the truth. God bless you.
 

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As Paul said "do we sin more so grace abounds? God forbid! and also in Romans "it is DOERS of the law that are justified" and "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law"..from this we can see grace and law work together...We are saved by God's grace, and after that we want to follow His law...unless of course you want to hear those words from Jesus "depart from me I never knew you, you who practice LAWLESSNESS"
 

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For some reason non-osas has a problem with the biblical fact of the perseverance of the saints. Why? I don't know. Satan plants all kinds of seeds.
 

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mjrhealth said:
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Now what are you going to choose. the law or grace.

The law requires you blood -no other option- you live by the law you must keep all teh laws- there is no payment but your blood, that is what the law requires- you live by the law you condemn yourself, Us gentiles where never under the law, jesus did not die to give us the law, we came to Christ through Grace.

Christ requires us to Love, love does not go out to hurt other, in Love we fullfill teh law without being under the law. DO you not understand.

Which do youy choose, the Law and death ot Grace by Christ into salvation, you can not sit on the fence it is one or the other, you live by the law, you keep one of the laws you have chosen by your own works to try earn your salvation, and again the only payment is your blood, how many trimes does it need to be repeated. YOU CANNOT OUT DO CHRIST.

And the enemies favourite tune - "oh but you cant use that to wilingly sin". Its his number one hit song sung by so many christians.

Love does not go out to hurt anyone why do you think jesus said.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

You are in your flesh until Christ comes and changes you or you go to be with Him, untill then you will sin daily, hourly, by the minute by the second, by you deeds by your thoughts, you cannot escape it, the law will condemn you Christs Grace - says get up and go on it is done. Whcih are you going to live by.

in All His Love
The law is for the lawbreakers.

Grace is when you enter life.
 

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biointeger said:
The law is for the lawbreakers.

Grace is when you enter life.
As Apostle John said in 1st John 5 "this is the love of God that we keep His commandments, and they are NOT burdensome"
Paul said in Romans 2 "it is DOERS of the law that are justified, not hearers of the law"...
God's grace forgives out sins, upon our repentance of turning away from sin...and Apostle John says in 1st John..sin is transgression of the law...Jesus set the prime example when He told the adultress "you sins are forgiven thee, go and SIN NO MORE"..John 8
 

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heretoeternity said:
As Apostle John said in 1st John 5 "this is the love of God that we keep His commandments, and they are NOT burdensome"
Paul said in Romans 2 "it is DOERS of the law that are justified, not hearers of the law"...
God's grace forgives out sins, upon our repentance of turning away from sin...and Apostle John says in 1st John..sin is transgression of the law...Jesus set the prime example when He told the adultress "you sins are forgiven thee, go and SIN NO MORE"..John 8
...and what are his commandments he tokd us to keep? Its not the 10 commandments. Its not the REST of the Law of Moses. But if you go back into the 3rd and 4th chapter of 1 John he flat out tells you what the commandments we must keep are.
 

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You are confused between the mosaic law and God's law the ten commandments...the Mosaic law which Moses wrote down and gave the people cover the sacrificial system that ended at the cross.....the Ten commandments God wrote Himself on stone tablets go on forever as Jesus said in Matthew 5......you obviously have endured a lot of false teaching...
 

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heretoeternity said:
You are confused between the mosaic law and God's law the ten commandments...the Mosaic law which Moses wrote down and gave the people cover the sacrificial system that ended at the cross.....the Ten commandments God wrote Himself on stone tablets go on forever as Jesus said in Matthew 5......you obviously have endured a lot of false teaching...
For someone who believes in non-osas I wouldn't be going out and condemning people. :rolleyes:
 

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heretoeternity said:
You are confused between the mosaic law and God's law the ten commandments...the Mosaic law which Moses wrote down and gave the people cover the sacrificial system that ended at the cross.....the Ten commandments God wrote Himself on stone tablets go on forever as Jesus said in Matthew 5......you obviously have endured a lot of false teaching...
Umm. No. You are using inferrential theology here. The law of moses and law of God are used interchangably, and both have passed away.