Love and Law incompatible

mjrhealth · Jun 21, 2015

Adam two commands,

Do not eat of the tree of life
Go out and multiply

No 10 commandments or any other laws until

Moses and God gave the LAW to the Israelites a covenant with them not us

That’s a lot of people doing good and evil without the law before than.

Along comes the LAW yet the israelites still did good and evil, nothing changed they just had rules to govern them, didn’t work just as God knew it wouldn’t.

Than came Jesus with a new covenant for the Jews – Grace which even today they mostly still try to live by the old.

And us we received the new covenant Grace we where never ever in the entire scriptures given the law as they are incompatible with Love.
Commandment

You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.

All the above fulfilled in one word LOVE. Love chooses not to do these things. Now if one does not have love than the Law is your only option as that is all that is left

Now if one chooses the law over grace, one does not have

Jesus, as Jesus is Love
Grace because without Jesus there is no grace
Salvation, as for to have salvation one would have to accept both of the above.
Life as Life is in Jesus only Death comes by the law.
Truth, for Jesus is the truth.

And because you choose the LAW your sins will remain with you, till judgement where they will condemn you by the law.

Choose the LAW and your only friend will be the devil telling you how bad you are and puffing you up with pride as you try to tell Jesus His works where not good enough and that you can do better.

Does the bible not say. I offer you life and death, choose life??

Which will you choose

[SIZE=11pt]1Ti_1:9[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners[/SIZE], for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

[SIZE=11pt]So you are righteous by the works of Christ or a sinner by the law.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Choose wisely[/SIZE]

pom2014 · Jun 21, 2015

Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
- Matthew 22:367-40

en tautais dyo entole kremannymi holos nomos kai phophetes

Nomos - of the Mosaic law, and referring, to the context. either to the volume of the law or to its contents

Love fulfills the Law and you are as faithful and of the same mind as the prophets that came before you.

If you wish to follow The King you will have adhere to the Two Great Commands, which keep The Law.

Angelina · Jun 22, 2015

Totally agree guys. Love is the fulfillment of the law. The law is spiritual and pointed toward something that mankind could not do. Then at the appointed time Christ came in the form of a sinless sacrifice and fulfilled the law of love.

mjrhealth · Jun 22, 2015

There was a reason why the law was given to the israelites and the gentiles grace, who are we to try wreck Gods plan of salvation fot the Jews. Mind you mankind has a habit of wrecking everything God does.

In All His Love

PS to keep something that is not yours (the law) is theft.

Axehead · Jun 22, 2015

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (law).

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

You are right mjrhealth, the law is for the unrighteous.

We walk now according to the "Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus". Romans 8.

mjrhealth · Jun 22, 2015

Just remember Axehead it was "there" schoolmaster not ours.

We cant "no longer" be under something we where never under in the first place.

We went from being" lawless" to "righteous" through the works of Christ, which so many insist on undoing.

In All His Love

pom2014 · Jun 22, 2015

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
- Matthew 5:18-19

The Law is not gone, nor are we not under it. We ARE under it by the Two Great Commands. We are not free from the Law, we are free from Death eternal.

Grace and the Law are intertwined.

Grace gives life, The Law, within the Two Great Commands, gives us rules to live by.

The Law does not give life and Grace does not give direction; yet neither supersedes the other.

mjrhealth · Jun 23, 2015

1Co_15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

That is why those who keep the law

Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

If you want to keep the law, go right ahead, that is between you and jesus.

Il ljust stick to Christ and grace

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

that devil has so many christians in bondage to the law, even to death.

Who is your master, teh LAW or Jesus.

In all His Love

pom2014 · Jun 23, 2015

The King said of you love him you'll keep his commands.

Do you love the King?

mjrhealth · Jun 23, 2015

More than youll ever know.

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

And that is why

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

My righteousness comes through my faith in Jesus Christ and my father God, not through keeping any LAWS.

So again keep the law if you must just lay no more burdens on any man. You are either free in Christ or a slave to teh law.

But since I cant, well Jesus certainly couldnt convince the religious ill just leave it all with Him.

Dint you read how all before Christ, died, went to sleep as teh bible puts it, than when Christ gave up His live. the grounds opened and teh dead arose, see there is no life in the law only death. Life only comes through Jesus.

In all His Love

Axehead · Jun 23, 2015

mjrhealth said:
More than youll ever know.

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

And that is why

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

My righteousness comes through my faith in Jesus Christ and my father God, not through keeping any LAWS.

So again keep the law if you must just lay no more burdens on any man. You are either free in Christ or a slave to teh law.

But since I cant, well Jesus certainly couldnt convince the religious ill just leave it all with Him.

Dint you read how all before Christ, died, went to sleep as teh bible puts it, than when Christ gave up His live. the grounds opened and teh dead arose, see there is no life in the law only death. Life only comes through Jesus.

In all His Love

You will do just fine mjrhealth if you obey Jesus' commandments. Don't worry about the Law. Obey Jesus the King and you will easy cover the law because LOVE Fulfills the LAW.

John_13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Rom_13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.

pom2014 · Jun 23, 2015

Yet to both of you IF you follow the Two you will obey The Law.

I just do not understand why everyone is hung up on the word LAW when it is in the Two Great Commands.

It amazes me as IF there was some separation when there is not.

We follow The Law every single time we keep the Two.

mjrhealth · Jun 24, 2015

Me I dont keep the law. Never did never will. If I was to say I did, i would be a liar, a fool and a Hypocrit. No, Christs Grace is sufficient fo me, I know where I came from i Know where I have being, and i know what I have in christ. Christ came so we could have life in Him, so i will live in Him and let Him have all the glory.

As for this

We ARE under it

There is a whole religion built on this.

im not under it, I am above it because of what Christ did.

In all his Love

numenian · Jun 24, 2015

There are four Covenants with the Jews in the the OT. I have taken the liberty to use a source to list and explain each one.

[SIZE=13.5pt]1. The Noahic Covenant – Genesis 9[/SIZE][SIZE=13.5pt][/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]After having sent a global flood to destroy the wickedness that had become so prevalent on earth after the Fall, God promised Noah (and by extension all humanity) to never again destroy the world with a flood.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Genesis 9:11[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] | “I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood, and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]This is an example of a Royal Grant covenant; there is nothing that Noah or his descendants must do to ensure that this promise is fulfilled. Instead it finds its validity purely in God’s faithfulness.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=13.5pt]2. The Abrahamic Covenant – Genesis 12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Genesis 12:1-3 | “Now the Lord had said to Abram: ‘Get out of your country, from your family and from your father’s house, to a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation; I will bless you and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Years after the Flood, pride leads the people to rebel against God by constructing the tower of Babel. After having dispersed them by confusing their languages, God would eventually choose one man and one nation as the instrument of His blessing to the entire world. In this covenant God promised Abraham three specific things:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]1. He will be made into a great nation (12:2).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]2. This nation will be led into the Promised Land (12:1).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]3. Through him (Abraham) all people of the earth will be blessed (12:3).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The Abrahamic Covenant is in part a Suzerain-Vassal covenant, as God required first that Abraham get up, leave his home and his family, and follow God to the land He would show him (Gen. 12:1). However, some aspects of the Abrahamic covenant are also in line with an unconditional Royal Grant. For example, God’s promise to make Abraham’s descendants into a great nation and bless all of the nations through his lineage is an unconditional promise from God (22:15-18[/SIZE]).
[SIZE=13.5pt]3. The Mosaic Covenant – Exodus 19[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]This passage is key to understanding both redemptive history and the history of Israel as a nation. A conditional promise, the Mosaic Covenant is dependent on the peoples’ response to the law He gives through His servant Moses.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]“Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.” – Exodus 19:5-6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]God tells Moses that if Israel obeys, they will be His chosen people, His treasured possession. Ultimately, these blessings will be extended to all people. This conditional promise is a Suzerain-Vassal covenant and brings Israel closer to realizing the promises made by God in the Abrahamic Covenant.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=13.5pt]4. The Davidic Covenant – 2 Samuel 7[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]After the people disobeyed the commands made in the previous covenant, God made the Davidic covenant as a means to bring them back into relationship with Himself. The key passage for this unconditional promise is 2 Samuel 7:12-17. Here God makes a Royal Grant covenant to David and his descendants that his house will rule over Israel forever.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The promise of an eternal kingdom is ultimately fulfilled in Christ, who is of David’s kingly lineage. In the New Testament, Luke 1:30-33 tells us:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]“Then the angel said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.’”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Although this is an unconditional covenant, there is a part of it which has a contingency: if the ruler of Israel is obedient, he will be blessed. If not, he will be cursed. As the books of 1 & 2 Kings and 1 & 2 Chronicles show us, Israel had many examples of both disobedient and obedient kings, which eventually lead to the nation’s exile.[/SIZE]

http://reasonabletheology.org/5covenants/

numenian · Jun 24, 2015

This is how I see it and I will probably add more in a bit.
The Law is now part of our nature.
With the acceptance of Christ and our repentance, the seed of God is implanted in our soul. We are now predisposed—from within, by the nature of who we are—to righteousness. Can any standards, code of ethics, or values that we hold and look to live by be greater than God's own spirit?
The Law is no longer external, something we follow out there, but integral to our essence. For this seed to grow we need to place our full reliance on the living water, the Holy Spirit ever-present in our soul. We now eat of the Tree of Life, not of the knowledge of good and evil. This is the order of the New Covenant. Any reliance on ordinances, rituals, and standards for the life of our faith is antinomianism, a rejection of the only law, that which is written on our hearts...and that is love.

numenian · Jun 24, 2015

[SIZE=12pt]As I see it, I use my will, by grace, to submit to the HS, not to obey a commandment. This is the full measure of my self-control. Self-control in looking to resist temptation or for improving my character or looking to help the least of these or whatever else breaks with the New Covenant. This “self” is now under Christ, hidden in Christ: “Not I, but Christ in me.” I am a new creation. The nearly overwhelming temptation of the carnal mind to rely on its own strength and understanding will possibly be there til we die. And it is good at disguises, such as appearing as the voice of God when we rely on past experiences for our action. Each moment is both unique and in need of our surrender. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]"What the law cannot do: keep us in the favor of God; improve our moral qualities or build character; keep flesh in submission; help us remain saved; through our obedience of it please God.[/SIZE]"

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