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They behind closed doors they have fell to the lust and defiled themselfs and didn't reach out to the Lord, then pride has entered them and sin has budded, they open the door and walk out and said look on us and our sin, They then go to many other trees in the forest and defilled them and became a abomination to the Lord but his hands are still open if they turn to them. Then they said among themself's let us go that we may profit from our abomination and change the law that we may earn and profit to ourself's in this sin. So the now they cause the lawmakers to sin and have clouded them also so the don't see straight. Then the preacher says yea we also can profit lets us join in the sin and bless them in marriage so the preacher also sins and thier fruit becomes bad. Your branches didn't reach towards the lord but towards ground and the fruit worthless. Woe you trees of the forest for the fire burns hot even to the roots of the tree that it may not leave root or stump, Now then judge yourself and be clean for out of the north a great army comes with judgement in their hands, then another the watchers of the field also so that you may turn to the lord.
 

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ATP said:
Blood moon sign? Your thoughts.

Has nothing to do with prophetic events or any scripture.
 

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ewq1938 said:
Has nothing to do with prophetic events or any scripture.
I disagree. Sexual immorality becoming worse and worse is definitely prophetic and also points to the rapture of the church.

Matt 24:36-44 NIV “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
 

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ATP said:
I disagree. Sexual immorality becoming worse and worse is definitely prophetic and also points to the rapture of the church.

Matt 24:36-44 NIV “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
What does that have to do with a blood moon?
 

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ATP said:
Not (a) blood moon, but four blood moons.

Still not related to scripture nor the topic of gay marriage.
 

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Still not related to scripture nor the topic of gay marriage.
But it is. The four blood moons are prophetic signs from God. Sexual immorality is just one step closer to rapture.
 

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ATP said:
But it is. The four blood moons are prophetic signs from God.
Signs of what? They are natural phenomenon just as red skies, shooting stars and eclipses.



Sexual immorality is just one step closer to rapture.

Why? Sexual immorality has been around forever. And the rapture won't come until after the return of Christ so sexual immortality won't tell us when the rapture is going to happen.
 
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Signs of what? They are natural phenomenon just as red skies, shooting stars and eclipses.
Tetrads falling on Jewish Festivals are not a natural phenomenon.

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Why? Sexual immorality has been around forever. And the rapture won't come until after the return of Christ so sexual immortality won't tell us when the rapture is going to happen.
Incorrect. Rapture will come as a thief to nonbelievers, not believers. Which side of the gate are you on ewq?

Matt 24:36-44 NIV “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

1 Cor 15:51-52 NIV Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
 

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ATP said:
Tetrads falling on Jewish Festivals are not a natural phenomenon.
I disagree.


Incorrect. Rapture will come as a thief to nonbelievers, not believers. Which side of the gate are you on ewq?


I didn't say believers wouldn't know when the rapture happens in fact I made it clear they would by saying when it would happen. Scripture outright says it happens after the second coming and after the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the second coming comes after the tribulation ends. Those that know this will not be surprised by Christ's return.
 

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I disagree.
It doesn't happen every day like shooting stars. It's very rare for blood moons to land on Jewish festivals. It's only happened eight times in 6,000 years.

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Scripture outright says it happens after the second coming and after the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the second coming comes after the tribulation ends. Those that know this will not be surprised by Christ's return

Incorrect again. Rapture and the second coming of Christ are two different events, and also rapture is before tribulation. Believers are not appointed to wrath, and that's what the tribulation will be, God's wrath.
 

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ATP said:
Incorrect again. Rapture and the second coming of Christ are two different events, and also rapture is before tribulation.

You keep misunderstanding what I have said. Never did I say the second coming was the rapture. I clearly said the econd coming happens first, and said the resurrection even happens before the rapture does. How does that equate to me saying the second coming and rapture are the same event?

Believers are not appointed to wrath, and that's what the tribulation will be, God's wrath.

It is not God's wrath, it 's Satan's wrath Rev 12. Pre-trib is not a scriptural doctrine.
 

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You keep misunderstanding what I have said. Never did I say the second coming was the rapture. I clearly said the econd coming happens first, and said the resurrection even happens before the rapture does. How does that equate to me saying the second coming and rapture are the same event?
The second coming doesn't happen first, the rapture does. This is the timeline...

1. first resurrection
2. rapture
3. second coming

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It is not God's wrath, it 's Satan's wrath Rev 12. Pre-trib is not a scriptural doctrine.
Incorrect, the great tribulation of trumpets and bowls is certainly God's wrath. Believers are not appointed to wrath.
 

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ATP said:
The second coming doesn't happen first, the rapture does. This is the timeline...

1. first resurrection
2. rapture
3. second coming

Not according to scripture which I will quote:

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Context is the second coming!

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Context is the second coming!

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

So this is the second coming and that cannot be denied.


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So, the proper order of events according to scripture:

1. the second coming.
2. the resurrection.
3. the rapture.

This proves the pre-trib rapture to be false.
 

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Not according to scripture which I will quote:

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Context is the second coming!

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Context is the second coming!

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

So this is the second coming and that cannot be denied.
Where in these scriptures does it say the second coming. It doesn't. You're adding to scripture. The first resurrection, rapture and the second coming are three different events. The second coming is AFTER tribulation when Jesus comes back on the Day of Atonement to defeat the Antichrist.
 

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Where in these scriptures does it say the second coming. It doesn't. You're adding to scripture.

No I'm not adding to scripture because the second coming is described. You are also using the argument from silence fallacy:

An argument from silence (in Latin argumentum ex silentio) is a conclusion based on the absence of an exact statement or exact term or exact word, rather than their presence or description. It is often found in the example of a question asking for something the asker already knows does not exist. Example, "Where is the word "Trinity" found in the bible?" or in this example you ask where the words "second coming" are found in the verse.. The fallacy is the requirement for that exact word to be found somewhere rather than the concept of the Trinity or second coming being found. People unfamiliar with this fallacious tactic might consider the type of question valid when it is in fact invalid and fallacious in nature.

And we are badly off topic to the thread so I won't say more on the rapture.
 

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No I'm not adding to scripture because the second coming is described. You are also using the argument from silence fallacy:
The rapture and the second coming of Christ are often confused. Sometimes it is difficult to determine whether a scripture verse is referring to the rapture or the second coming. However, in studying end-times Bible prophecy, it is very important to differentiate between the two.

The rapture is when Jesus Christ returns to remove the church (all believers in Christ) from the earth. The rapture is described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. Believers who have died will have their bodies resurrected and, along with believers who are still living, will meet the Lord in the air. This will all occur in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. The second coming is when Jesus returns to defeat the Antichrist, destroy evil, and establish His millennial kingdom. The second coming is described in Revelation 19:11-16.

The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:

1) At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).

2) The second coming occurs after the great and terrible tribulation (Revelation chapters 6–19). The rapture occurs before the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).

3) The rapture is the removal of believers from the earth as an act of deliverance (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 5:9). The second coming includes the removal of unbelievers as an act of judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).

4) The rapture will be secret and instant (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). The second coming will be visible to all (Revelation 1:7; Matthew 24:29-30).

5) The second coming of Christ will not occur until after certain other end-times events take place (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15-30; Revelation chapters 6–18). The rapture is imminent; it could take place at any moment (Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).

Why is it important to keep the rapture and the second coming distinct?

1) If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, believers will have to go through the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).

2) If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, the return of Christ is not imminent—there are many things which must occur before He can return (Matthew 24:4-30).

3) In describing the tribulation period, Revelation chapters 6–19 nowhere mentions the church. During the tribulation—also called “the time of trouble for Jacob” (Jeremiah 30:7)—God will again turn His primary attention to Israel (Romans 11:17-31).

The rapture and second coming are similar but separate events. Both involve Jesus returning. Both are end-times events. However, it is crucially important to recognize the differences. In summary, the rapture is the return of Christ in the clouds to remove all believers from the earth before the time of God’s wrath. The second coming is the return of Christ to the earth to bring the tribulation to an end and to defeat the Antichrist and his evil world empire.
 

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ATP, ewq...... Hey, lets do our best to stay on topic. :)

At any rate. Looking at this whole mess in a fractured creation, I would think we should just be a light in the darkness. One evil decision is doing exactly what Satan would have it do.. divide us. Lets be the example of Christ and come together with the understanding we are here on this earth to spread His message and make disciples of all nations. Let fear not lead us or control us, rather, let fear flee from us and let us praise Him. :) K?


BA
 

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Born_Again said:
ATP, ewq...... Hey, lets do our best to stay on topic. :)

Awesome I recently posted, "And we are badly off topic to the thread so I won't say more on the rapture"

As for the thread topic, the "blood moon" has nothing to do with gay marriage and gay marriage is morally wrong according to the bible.